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November 7, 2012 in Featured, Flames of War, What's in the Box, World War 2 by darrell
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The Panzer IV/70 is a pretty mean tank, but what will the guys think of this late war armoured unit for Flames of War?
Someone should explain it to you, guys: you stick your head out of a tank to actually see something. Situational awareness of a tank crew – especially WW2 tank crew – is really poor, unless the commander sticks his head out and surveys the surrounding area.
Yeah, In fairness though, I think its mostly just a running joke, and the panzer iv70 did have a periscope…
Schurzen is against firepower 5+ or 6, not anti-tank. This is mainly infantry type weapons as this is what it was designed to stop.
I am self confessed tread head.But seriously only using tanks in a F,O.W game is like playing only half a game.
Having a blast with tanks is a great way to start F.o.W. (Sherman V and Fireflys for me!) But perhaps expanding the games you play to include infantry artillery /air support units Might allow more in depth discussion of how the units work in the tacticaly rich and diverse game F.o.W is.
Please do not take offence.This was meant as constructive critisism. The huge amount enthusiasm and effort you guys put in is very much appreciated.
Think this – like all the latest FoW-themed videos up here – is rather a misnomer. An unboxing video should actually focus on the models you get out of a box, as it says on the tin. If the single model isn’t worth an in-depth review, do a comparative one, perhaps showing the development of certain tank versions etc.
Seriously, guys, you seem to be missing the point here completely and thereby give people a wrong impression of what this game’s mainly meant to represent: history, in fact. I know there are many competitive players out there with great interest in a model’s stats (and Battlefront doesn’t explicitly discourage such a behaviour) but, please, at least try to give the background a mention. It doesn’t need to be at the length of John’s lesson (though they are earnestly missed), just a shift away from those purely “gamey” aspects.
I agree so much with this. This isn’t as much an unboxing as it’s a rulebook review.
How many seconds did they spend on the model itself?
Come on, guys – you can do much better than this! At least talk about the box, show us the content, and put one or two of the tanks together so we can see what the finished product looks like.
And please, please, please, stop talking about sticking your head out of the tank. As other users have mentioned, it was a way to increase your situational awareness and was, in fact, quite common.
A bit of both, maybe? Having the rules stuff in there has actually got me watching unboxings again… otherwise, unless there is a big problem with quality, I can get most of the other stuff from the manufacturers website
Perhaps I ought to clarify my position…
I don’t mind debating the rules of the various units. But I do prefer these debates to be mostly restricted to review videos of the rulebooks themselves (and without too much cheese on the side, thank you).
For me, when I’ve decided to buy a model it’s because I either 1) want it so badly that I don’t care about the rules or 2) like the rules so much that I don’t care about the model. In either case, when unboxing the model itself, the rules are entirely irrelevant to me.
Of course, I realise that that might just be me…?
I do agree with you on getting the stuff from the manufacturers homepage. But then again, I’ve always viewed Beasts Of War as a supplement to, not a replacement for, the manufactures description of the model.
Yeah, I’m afraid that these FoW unboxings are a bit..yeah. No real review about the model itself and I don’t blame you guys for bad game tactics but there are a lot of elements in this game that you don’t see. Infantry, arty, airpower and I would really like to hear about halftracks and their tactics. You just keep going on about the tanks and their capability to destroy other tanks. A full blooded soviet tank horde is actually quite easy to stop with dug in infantry… done this my self with my Gepanzerte Panzergrenadiers To make these reviews better you could add some history lessons maybe?
And as others have stated already, stop bashing the tank commander about his head sticking out of the tank. I myself am a tank commander (yes, Finnish army trained me to command a Leopard 2A4) and even in modern tanks the crews vision is very poor at the short distansces. This joke is getting a bit old and it is in every FoW unboxing video.
All the love for you guys from Finland for doing these FoW videos but it’s pretty obvious that neither of you guys is actually playing this game as it’s supposed to. Maybe some day even I could challenge some of you to tackle my 12. SS-Gepanzerte Panzergrenadiers. I would prefer Darrel as he keeps hyping the soviet tank horde
Must admit I came here on the basis of the photos. The models zimmerit looks overscale, but for 15mm good grief they look sweet.
The model parts were shown but where was the close up? I don’t mind the game tactics discussion tbh even though I don’t play FoW
But am I correct in thinking they are Jagdpanzer IV and were used to lay low and blow the living daylights out of the Allies’ tanks. Probably the only down side is that iirc as with much of the German armour they got heavier and more powerful but on chassis that were not designed for the upgrades, so there were a lot of mechanical problems. Can’t remember which calibre was used on these but it was big! lol I am not surprised they cost so much points wise as they would be formidable.
All Jagdpanzers (and to a certain extend StuG’s) were meant to be placed hull-down in ambush positions.
Armed with the 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 gun, the Jagdpanzer IV was certainly a threat to any allied tank straying into its sights. But it was hardly the biggest gun used – the Tiger I (8.8 cm KwK 36 L/56), Tiger II (8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71), Jagdpanther (8.8 cm Pak 43/3 or 43/4 L/71) and Jagdtiger (12.8 cm PaK 44 L/55) were bigger, though not necessarily better.
It was indeed a rather heavy tank which coursed some trouble (although the Panzer IV chassis, in general, was a one of the best tank-chassis of the war) – most notably with the front road wheels and, of course, the overall mobility of the vehicle. But as the Wehrmacht was fighting almost exclusively defensive battles by that point, limited mobility wasn’t as big a drawback as it would have been a few years earlier. The ultimate example of this would be the development of the Panzer VIII ‘Maus’ which sacrificed all its mobility for outstanding armour and firepower.
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