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May 28, 2014 by brennon
Games Workshop are continuing the painting expertise with another tutorial on how to use your Base Paints to give that first layer of awesomeness to a model. Did the tutorial help?
Not a bad set of vids, work nicely with the book they released of similar stuff.
I like how he really takes advantage of the particularities of the GW range of paints… I hate how he will ruin his brushes by dipping them in the pot.
I like the whole presentation and the gallery, and how he teaches things… I hate that he doesn’t show how to correct mistakes, and that a lot of the process is cut instead of actually shown.
It’s silly to basecoat like that over black, IMHO (you can’t see much of teh black under here once this is done, so why not make your life easier and prime white ?)… but with this particular range/opacity/thickness, it can work.
Personally I think the reason for showing priming in black, is that hard to reach areas, that often in shadow, will remain black/dark and so give the sense of separation of parts of the model. Sprays by their nature are going to easily reach every surface. So, if undercoated white, for beginners at least, having small points of white still sticking out because the brush cant reach them (most beginners are going to put the entire model together before painting).
So I think it is a more pragmatic choice.
Never happened to me… Also, you can see in the video no black is left uncovered.
Oh sure. But for beginners, I think it does make it easier, and if you miss anything due to it being hard to reach, it’s less noticeable. At least that is my experience from teaching younger gamers to paint back during my GW days.
Hmm… yes, it’s quite possible. In any case, black does tint the colour slightly towards darkness. But in this case, why have a bright red and white miniature ?
Teaching how to ruin brushes => Sells more Brushes
Won’t be better to prime it red rather than white ? since that’s the predominant color anyway. And not teaching how to fix mistakes is truly a wasted opportunity.
Pretty simplistic, but I guess it gives people some inspiration to start painting.
These do seem to be for the absolute beginner. There’s no real attempt made to show the viewer how to be a better painter. I’d be surprised (and disappointed) if anyone here has learnt anything from them. I suppose they’re better than nothing, though only just.
Well, again, the presentation is really polished, and it shows people a “decent” (well… for a certain standard) gallery of something attainable, and a realistic way to do it. It’s not what inspires me, but it shows you something that a complete beginner can honestly say “okay, I can do that with no skill, and it looks all right”.
That’s clearly not my style of teaching, as I think everyone should strive for excellence, strive to make something to be proud of instead of something easy, quality over quantity, and so on… but this is coherent with the GW approach.
I think there is a certainly a need to teach how to achieve presentable models, that look the part, and the basic skills in doing that, repeated over lots of models. Because if that can be achieved, then the learner can then be confident that they have the skills to do well and can improve. By focusing on repeating the basics, they can then at least have entire armies painted that are visually appealing, if not technical masterpieces, that they can then go back to and improve upon (especially since all they have had done to them is base coats and washes).
While everyone in theory should try for the best possible, often just good is better, because on the table in a game they will look great.
Yes, as I said (paraphrasing myself), not my style : I paint/teach display, they paint/teach armies.
People should be proud of their minis, even if they are crap. Because everyone starts somewhere.
People should always be proud of their achievements, if they have achieved what they wanted to achieve. if your goal was tabletop results and you achieved that, great.
Personnally, I aim higher.
My problem here is… the cuts. They don’t show anything of the real process. It seems liek what you see is what you get, except… perhaps not.
I think that the cuts are kind of misleading.
For example, the white head seems smooth as does the red. This may be the camera or some kind of post production effect, but i can guarantee (having used both citadel paints – Mephiston Red and Ceramite White) that even if you do several thin coats of paint it will hardly be that smooth over a black primer.
Those results can be achieved but only through many thin layers and a lot of time put into the process. The cuts give the impression that one or two layers and you can get those nice smooth results.
Also: they could show how some base colours can be used to be a nice foundation for other colours. For example, how a nice brown can be a good foundation for a gold metalic, or a red. I think Romain can shed some light into this process… but the video could be used to show this more “advanced” thecnique.
Exactly what I fear. It looks easy, but it isn’t… and they don’t show you the process anyway. Same thing with the tree-guy videos. You *could* do it the way he does, but it’s not the easiest way, especially for beginners… and he doesn’t show much, when you really look at it.
It’s a bit like : “Hello, here’s step one… and here’s the result… and here’s what you can do on other miniatures. good luck !”… no other steps, no explanation of possibel mistakes, a “recipe” approach instead of teaching technique… Telling what to do instead of showing how it’s done. But it’s quicker, and it makes for a sleeker piece of video.
However, let’s be honest here, the man teaches important stuff… and what he does do on camera works, at least with tha specialized range. And the results are realistic expectations for applying these techniques. And many people DO respond well to that style of teaching.
Agreed on the “teaching important stuff”.
These videos can be a good starting point for someone new to the hobby. When I started some 20 years ago i had no idea of the importance of primer, of washes or drybrushing… if these videos were available back then (or the internet for that matter )they would have been a great starting point.
However, to read anymore into these videos, or to excepect something more ellaborate would be to ask a bit too much. Afterall, GW is probably going to release a “advanced technique DVD” or some such thing in the future, so as to tempt our wallets.
As Roman immediately pointed out – he broke the cardinal rule of never dipping your brush into the pot! Personally I use wooden stirrers (courtesy of my favorite coffee franchise); but I guess Citadel don;t have the equivalent in their range… yet!
I have found that their base paints do a good job for this first layer… apart from yellow. Does anyone know of a god yellow?
They have Averland Sunset… a little dark for my taste, but it’s quite good and covering.
Or you can use other brands… The P3 paints have exellent coverage, and Vallejo has an extra opaque range (and their Flames of War paints aren’t bad at all).
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