Cheese Hunters: Make Your Own Focus Fire
March 7, 2013 in Cheese Hunters, SCI FI Wargaming, Warhammer 40K by beerogre
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It’s been a little while since we’ve had a Cheese Hunters so it’s time for a really nasty one! Darrell and Andy have come up with a way to create fire channels giving you focus fire whenever you need it!
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Q: is it totally cheesy or just the rules?
A: Yes.
It is the rules.
But always ask: Would I like to have this done to me?
Just me or is the video really quiet?
Ok, having finished the video, it’s not really a new thing. I can remember Line of Sight “sniping” going on as long as there have been rules for who can see/shoot who.
This is great for taking out PowerFists or Heavy Weapons you don’t feel like dealing with on units that would otherwise pose no threat or are strategically unimportant.
This edition Rhinos have become mobile terrain. They’re great for parking in bottlenecks to block LoS/movement, and the likelihood that they’ll be glanced to death (wrecked) by S6 shooting or S4 melee rather than explode (because your opponent doesn’t want to waste high strength shooting on mobile terrain) makes them all the better at this.
I am not getting any vid play back?
I am really glad I did not waste my money on 6th ed 40k.
It just proves people love the ‘idea of 40k’ far more than the actual quality of product GW sell them.IMO.
I know some people love winning a game of toy soldiers to the point it becomes the only reason they want to play the game.
But I prefer to play games where the winner is decided by players tactical/strategic skill.NOT by exploiting poorly worded /written rules.
If GW can not be bothered to look for spelling mistakes and copy paste errors.
The chance of finding these sort of ‘oversights’ to exploit is going to be pretty high.
It is indicative of how far 40k game play has fallen behind , when abusing poor rules writing seems to be a ‘highlight’ of the game play for some players!(IMO.)
I think a Purgation squad would love that
I haven’t used two rhinos as gunsights.
At the end of the day, you sacrifice 70pts of rhinos, and the whole rest of your squads shooting to fire a lascannon/missile launcher at that target? Might work with split fire on deathwing, but then deathwing tend not to be on the battlefield with functional rhinos.
I think using two is really really harsh.
In my chaos army, I’ve used this trick with one rhino. When my chaos marines are advancing with raptors as well, I’ll fire on the other squad to weaken them up for a raptor attack. If I don’t want to deal with a flamer, I’ll move a rhino in close to block LOS to the bulk of the squad, and hope to pick off the three guys or so I’ve left to the side.
Now this is a 35pt gambit that is only useful in certain scenarios.
However the rhino has more uses in a CSM force. I add a 5pt dirge caster, and it’s a unit I can rush towards an enemy squad with nasty weapons (especially flamers, but squads with nasty shooting in general, such as ravenwing knights, with plasma and rerolls). If you are within 6″ of the enemy, they can’t fire overwatch at all, saving you the two or three raptors the ravenwing knights would have killed.
Bear in mind that if you use both tricks together, the raptors need to be able to see one model to be able to declare a charge. Don’t deny yourself the charge, just to remove the flamer that was going to hurt you on the charge!
“and the whole rest of your squads shooting”
Depends on the formation. If the Rhinos are closer to the enemy then it’s easier to get the whole squad firing on a single target, or a small number of targets. You could also conga line the squad, since models from the same unit can fire through each other without penalty.
totally legal, totally cheesy.
When playing the ‘spirit of the game’ rule should snuff this out. We’re not playing chess, the game should reflect what would actually happen in a real battle. I can’t imagine the terminator on the radio to the Rhinos “Okay a little back, little bit more, no that’s too much, swerve a bit to the left, no not you, you Frank, yes, NO my left your right, easy now, about a foot more yeah okay, perfect, hold it there… I can now only see the guy with the meltagun… oh frag he’s moved…”
submitted some cheese, not because I agree with it, but because it’s (possibly) there. Albeit weak in comparison to some.
I might be misremembering, but I believe BioW already did a “Rhino Gunslit’ video?
Good luck ever being allowed to pull off that one against your opponent. In my opinion, cheesy stuff is great but this borders on a pathetic play on the rules…
This is so sad…40k is not about this..come on…
since i found games which fit better for me than 40k dose me and my friends only play cheesy 40k. its like a “bad horror movie night” slightly disgusting, totally ridicules and always makes a good laugh
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The entire system is one big cheese ffs … Arent there any advanced rules for 40k out so atleast the quality off rules are up to par with the miniatures?
Great rule there I suppose you could do that with 2 pieces of terrain if it’s lined up right/
vindicare does not care much about line of sight since he can pick out a target within line of sight and bypasses the look out sir rule.
Sorry guys, but this is silly. Who would waste the points on Rhinos to use them that way (not to mention what idiot would turn a Vindi side-on to enemy fire)?
I have used your cheese play of Telion manning an Icarus Lascannon in an Aegis and that works fantastically for one-shots kills of special characters, or bringing down flyers.
It’s because of childish waac thinking like this that I got out of 40k. It basically turns what should be a fun game into a cheese spotting contest. If someone used this super cool awesome “tactic” on you in a game, would you: A – Congratulate them on their sheer tactical genius, or B – Punch them square in the face?
I’m not sure I would play someone who did this kind of thing.