Logan Grimnar Rides In Alongside New Warhammer 40k Books!
August 9, 2014 by brennon
The new selection of Games Workshop pre-orders have hit their webstore and as you might have expected there is a familiar face in Logan Grimnar with his Stormrider 'Chariot'. As well as that there's a new sourcebook for his Champions of Fenris and another book for Sanctus Reach called Maledictus...
Above are the miniature for Logan Grimnar and the Champions of Fenris book. The actual miniature of Logan Grimnar has grown on me and I actually like the sculpt but I still can't get past the silliness of the sled thing 'Stormrider'. It just doesn't look right to me and maybe it if had been some kind of full 'longship' I could have gone along with it but the stubbiness of it just doesn't work.
Champions of Fenris comes with new warlord traits and rules for making the Great Company of Logan Grimnar himself. The artwork is certainly very epic on the front cover.
Maledictus continues the story of Sanctus Reach from the point of view of the Grey Knights that have been sent to deal with the threats to the sector by daemonic powers. Will the world be drowned in a sea of chaos or will the Grey Knights hold back the tide?
An interesting selection of pre-orders this week so it will be good to see what the rest of August has in store. Nagash anyone?
Have you been turned when it comes to Logan's sled?
A new model for Logan ace, but in a floating thing pulled a long by dogs ? Like Warren said last weekend “shoot the dogs!”
Way back when I used to play 40K I had a regular Space Wolf army and later a 13th co. force- if this model had been released back then I’d probably have loved it, and there’s little doubt it is a well sculpted model, but now to me it just seems like a ‘self-parody’, something I’ve noticed with a few of GW’s recent offerings…
A nice model, but a flawed concept perhaps- still, Logan himself looks very impressive!
So the first releases for the new edition of 40k were Orks and Space Wolves and Sanctus Reach involved Orks and Space Wolves. Are GW using Sanctus Reach as a vehicle to interest people in new releases and does that mean Grey Knights will be next?
Following their logic maybe we’ll see a Grey Knight Vs Daemons Sanctus Reach ‘Battle Box’ maybe? That would be very cool…
BoW Ben
Isn’t that obvious ha ha ? It pushes people who were on the side about getting one of those two armies to get stuck in.
Rumour has it the knights will indeed be next – but with just a Codex and few if any models (which seems fine, knights have everything they need with some excellent cross-purpose kits).
Ok, having seen the proper 360 of this on the GW site it’s nicely sculpted. However, what a monumental missed opportunity design wise to ‘not’ integrate Logan’s base with the sled chassis. Logan is not in any way holding onto the sled and although you could easily mount him on a separate base to have him on foot, the opportunity was there for the taking to have the base just slot into the sled pretty much as is shown on the frame. Even Forgeworld have done this with the Primarachs having the gaming sized base ‘slot into’ the wider display… Read more »
It’s funny, but apart from the price rises, I have never really had too much of a problem with GW’s 40k range (OK maybe some of the codex updates).
However the latest wolves releases (my absolute most favourite marines!) just fell flat for me and I miss the previous range of minis. If I was to jump back into 40k with Space Wolves I would flag these and hunt down the earlier sculpts. I would probably stick to an earlier edition of the rules too… *sigh*
The model can be turned pretty reasonable, even good, if you simply remove the wolves and related parts (maybe put them on separate bases). The model then becomes an “attack hover platform” which sort of makes sense, and Logan is accompanied by his favourite war wolves (the rules I assume render them merely decoration).
The actual Logan model has a pretty high level of detail for a plastic model, it’s actually impressive. The concept was stupid, but I think it can be easily bypassed.
All this “hatred” of this model and gw’s other releases really confuses me. You see similar models in other systems (warma-hordes for example) and they are loved by nearly everyone. When gw does it almost every comments section has the same complaints about every gw model that has come out recently of how they design team as failed and then some bash against the core rules for good measure. This should be the most exciting time for any 40k players. I have been playing this game since rogue trader days and the game is what everyone has been bagging for… Read more »
Sorry but the concept is really poor imho I know nothing about Warmahordes. However outrageous their models maybe, it does not make this doggy sled any better. I can only form an opinion on what I see. I won’t get into the price argument as it will only repeat what has said before, but I don’t understand your assertion that GW may have listened to the fans. If they listened they would be doing things a lot different. Or do GW only listen to fans that say they don’t mind how much the minis cost, they will still buy them?… Read more »
Eh I think you’ll find it’s the drop in quality or the move (return) to more cartoon based designs that is angering people. As for the quality of models there are some objective claims you can make. For example, whilst the Wood Elf and Dark Elf infantry sets have been pretty damn good they are inferior in terms of customization compared to other GW infantry kits.
Warmachines have a certain aesthetic, but I don’t recall them ever having wolves pulling a anti-grav platform.
As for the price, that’s all well and good but you’re finding less and less GW players.
I think if we accept that they are moving toward a kids’ game, then the design makes sense. But even now, after all the hate thrown at the model in the other post, it seems people are warming to it, and will eventually buy it in droves regardless of the cost, thus encouraging GW to keep churning out this sort of trash at a ridiculous price. Does the YA ink blot fiction encourage this? Perhaps. It obviously appeals to that target demographic as well. From the outside looking in, it is hard to fathom why the GW community puts up… Read more »
There are some daft models in the Warmahordes range and they tend to be awesome. Note I say “tend to be” rather than “are always”.
This flying bathtub isn’t awesome – it’s just bloody daft. It’s really poor and it’s not the only turkey we’ve seen from GW lately.
Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder, this is only my opinion and I’m glad you like it.
The thing is, this model feels like an example of GW “missing the point”. Yes other companies have done similar models and it seems to go over well by fans, maybe that’s because those companies do it right?
The three pieces (The sled, Logan, and the wolves) are not bad, but together they just don’t work. The sled and wolves feel as if they are better suited to a dwarven army than SW. Logan is a good model that is not done justice with the addition of the sled.
Warmahordes is fantasy and steampunk .. nough said i think. Other companies still produce games because they love games, GW openly takes a piss at anything and anyone not shaped and coloured like money. And proud of it. Just listen to Kirbys letter of confession. Theres really no hidden mystery behind the criticism.
There are some legitimate concerns about the corporate direction GW has taken in recent years, along with credible arguments about the benefits of updating the ruleset with some of the new innovations appearing in wargaming such as more modern activation and reaction rules rather than sticking with the I go/you go system of 40K and Warhammer. And then there are th perennial issues of why GW doesn’t support some of the specialist games that are widely viewed as some of the best stuff they have ever created. All these points are worthwhile and should be addressed by GW. Unfortunately, the… Read more »
GW have retreated into their citadel The level of “noise” is not an issue for them. They become very insular yonks ago, losing all contact with the customers. They may well have listened well enough to the “I will pay whatever it takes to play the best game evah!” lobby. It certainly looks like selective hearing to me. The community has every reason to be hostile to GW. They only have themselves to blame for that. They get praise enough when they produce good models, which is right and proper. They get criticised when they produce a pooch like the… Read more »
GW certainly do have a seige mentality, but that did not just come out of nowhere. We need to ask why they behave that way, rather than just defaulting to a ‘boo hiss’ mindset that clearly acheives nothing. There is no grand conspiracy at GW HQ to destroy the game and do over their fanbase in the fashion of an evil moustache-twirling villain stereotype. Things got this way due to a range of factors, and the toxic mentality within the online community cannot simply be ignored because it strikes a little too close to home for comfort. I also respectfully… Read more »
Smoke and mirrors. The end product is all that matters, and right now it’s terrible.
Fascinating how you think the issue has ever been their customers … truly fascinating. One thing leads to another and whatever it was it started with GW, be damn sure.
I never said that the issue was only or even mostly with the customers, I said that some of the attitudes prevalent within the online community contributes to the problem of a lack of communication and a toxic atmosphere. That community does not embody all or even most GW customers, and equating a vocal online presence with the entire GW fanbase as if that fanbase is a monolith is part of the problem. Truthfully, I do not much like the hover sled myself, but I do not presume to present my aesthetics as universal. Even if we accept that this… Read more »
No its difficult to beleive .. Id liken what you are trying to get across to how the abused sometimes defend the abuser and take on blame for whats happening. Im not going to be one of them. If they felt they had to isolate themselves even from their own community its their own damn fault. Your behaviour as a company will be reflected in your customers attitude towards you, I dont think anyone went into the hobby with hopes to hate on the company who made all those awesome products. Lack of respect and understanding of the community is… Read more »
This is getting kinda creepy lol.
Sorry about that :p might have gotten a bit too dramatic there.. think im gonna just leave a batman effect and be done.
Bzaapp!
No, your analysis was spot on :-). I was talking about imaginary company/consumer relationships.
You need to ask why people get hacked off with GW policies. With respect you over estimate how much the board listen to any customers. IIRC Kirby has said as much on more than one occasion. Sorry but having been stung by GW marketing tactics myself, and I am certainly not alone, I am not going to praise them for how they go about their business. Not when other companies go out of their way to engage with customers. It is obvious that where there is a large fan base their will be many divergent opinions and criticisms, which is… Read more »
At this juncture I think we will just have to agree to disagree. You have your perspective, I have mine, and the two just don’t seem very compatible. Derailing the thread any further seems unlikely to yield much of benefit to anyone.
Yeah I still don’t like it. I think Logan himself is great, I can say the chariot is well sculpted with nice details but I think the concept is poor, I just can’t see it working on a battlefield. It’s a pity as I liked the other releases. I’m still disappointed we saw no Wulfen or Ragnar models, I think Logan’s old sculpt is decent enough to wait the next round and I believe a Wulfen kit would have sold much better. I think the sled is way off the mark as a concept, my first reaction was laughter and… Read more »
My thoughts on it have changed but only in that it now reminds of a something I would see on a Viking themed merry-go-round.
I think you have it.
It is the first model in the 40K Fair Ground Fun series.
You can go on the ride at Space Marine World Theme Park, Notts. then buy the mini to paint and play with as a memento of your visit.
Grandma can ride the sled next to Logan while the grand kids ride the wolves as they move up and down.
I can see a problem with this Grandma’s and wolves traditional have bad interactions 😛
This is why the Logan Grimnar automaton has an axe, dags.
Just in case the wolves go gobbling granny
Oops
I think I should have rephrased that.
Curse you, Lure of Alliteration!
OMG, now I’ve got that horrible image engraved in my head!
A whole page of WHOOSH! BANG WHACK BOOM SPLAT! KABOOM! SNAP! VROOOOOM!
KA-POW! RUMBLE CRUNCH POW! ZAP!
THUD.
Give them a round of applause for bringing the obvious to no-one who cares attention.
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Are you losing it Dave?
“Sounds” like hes winning if you ask me
Nah, just bored with reading the same dribble in every 40k post…
Then dont read it? Why try to dictate what others talk about?
It was funny the first two times, but now… Maybe you could switch to “I am Groot.”
What? I thought people found it hilarious posting the same thing over and over and over again about anything 40k?
I don’t recall anyone saying the doggy sled was good or the doggy sled was rubbish in threads about Space Wolf Ancients.
If that sort of detail and “viking/wolfe-ness” was done on a landspeeder I think it would be amazing.
If it was the shield of heroes type thing to ride into battle with, and not a over the hills we go sled, it would be much better. I have no idea about the rules, but if it allowed him to drop into close combat as if it was an assault ramp equipped drop pod.
… hmmm looking at it in the 360 turnaround, I kinda think with some converting, maybe by extending the front out further forward with some land speeder bits, I agree, it could look like a half decent grav sled or something… maybe just have the wolves running side by side with the sled, like a mini diorama 🙂 on the subject of whether GW is going too cartoony, … in the nearly 20 years I’ve been collecting minis, I don’t think I’ve ever looked at GW stuff and thought ” this is the pinnacle of realism ” 😛 lol, they’ve… Read more »
Yeah I am a fan of Warmahordes and 40k aesthetics in general, but both have minis I don’t like and on the whole, figures I love. With Warmahordes I enjoy the game mechanics more than 40k these days but 40k still has the best setting and background.
A few crappy models here and there and annoying rule changes/updates don’t ruin that. 😀
What people fail to understand is companies like hawk and corvus can listen to there fan base for suggestions a lot easier because they are newer and dont have a large player base. I play dropzone and own nearly the entire range (of the 1st four factions gotta save up some cash for the new resistance cause they look sweet!). As for infinity goes once they get into the resin game I will agree that they got some great stuff if your into anime style (full metal minis are terrible in my opinion just not a fan of the material… Read more »
As long as you are happy with GW, isnt that all that matters? Nice attempt at reasoning why GWs behaviour should be accepted though. I think most of us have thought long and hard already about why we cant justify what GW has slowly become.
They only have to justify their behaviour to shareholders. That be big business. And if your that upset, INVEST!
Its a sinking ship, and because they have lost perspective. In order to have something positive to show shareholders in the near future getting back in touch with reality and their customers is the way to go. But maybe big companies dont do this. They are doing something (im being nice) wrong and they wont be able to justify it much longer imo.
The attitude that investors are more important than the customers is just what is wrong with GW.
Exactly, its the bullets (bolts?)they keep shooting their own feet with
The ones pulled by wolves?
Real tiny ones too 😉
Previous Logan Grimnar model was solid but this new one is silly. Expesially with that small flying long boat pulled by wolves.
The entire piece (sled, dogs and Grimnar) comes off as silly to me. Why the hell would I want sled dogs pulling something I can shove jets onto the back end of? Just doesn’t make sense to me.
Also, the fact that I they want me to buy not only the main codex but an additional supplement if I want to play using the entire set of SW rules is asinine.
The supplements are mostly fluff and senerios. They sometimes change the force org of a few things so you can play a fluffier army. They arent required. Basically it puts more back story in on something specific where the actual codex does the broad history. All the supplements are doing is giving more flavour to a unique piece of the army. They have little impact on the game unless you wanna play the senerios listed in them. So your not missing out on anything if you don’t want/care about what I mentioned above.
One thing that I thought was really cool about GW,and helped draw me into the game when I was starting to get into gaming, was that scenarios and some fluff used to be available on the GW website.
IMHO it was a sad day when they changed it. There were also tutorials for painting and making terrain. Great stuff. You could still buy the “how to” books if you wanted.
It felt like the company actually did care about the community.
They have those painting videos on there website now (it is gunna take some time to build up at selection of free content again as it takes time and money to give free videos at decent quality) and they moved the majority of the free scenarios to the core rules (remember when we only had 3 deployments and 3 objectives now how many are in the core rules). A big reason they got rid of a lot of that stuff was it was outdated and they moved it back into white dwarf because everyone was complaining about how white dwarf… Read more »
We may be talking about a different part on the timeline.
The website had at least one other update since the one I refer to, Ultra.
Regardless, I always thought it was a good touch on the part of GW and a shame that the archives were removed without being replaced
Fair play if painting videos are being made.
The only problem for this GOM has with that is that it will be to demonstrate the 50 (hyperbole alert) different types of paint now in the range. lol
I was referring to the same update. The one website that was around during 4th and most of 5th where the majority of the content in the achieve was 4th and theyy dropped that content in mid 5th when it was no longer correct.
And whats wrong with a bunch of different styles of paints!? Thats a good thing! And the fact that they give you instruction on the basics on how to use them is fantastic! I wish other paint companies did that. (I use other company paints as well as gw. They all have their strengths and weaknesses)
$4 for an ounce of paint? Why mix a shade when you can buy twelve degrees of hue or saturation of the same colour? No need to ever mix your own again. How wonderful!
Go into any reputable art store and you will get the same stuff, including extenders to turn them into washes, for a tenth of the price. Not sure if it’s laziness or gullibility.
Do you really need a foundation, body colour, wash, dry brush, highlight etc, when you can use at most 3 types and can easily manage with two? ie Foundation, which itself is probably not necessary but works well for blocking in the basic colours) In other words you are being encouraged to by a load of unnecessary shizzle. Seriously, think about it? How did people possibly cope with only foundation, standard paint and a wash? If you can’t drybrush with a standard paint just practice. Making washes is easy. All you need is flow aid and some acrylic medium But… Read more »
I do all that as well my friend. And I didnt say they werent pricy. Maybe its just the market where I live because art supplies are expensive in canada. And I’d rather not buy supplies online to save a buck (with shipping costs it doesnt save me any money anyways unless I am buying large quantities).
If cost makes the product useable to you that is fine. Doesn’t mean it is not a good product and doesn’t mean you have to insult my character. Where I come from that is considered rude.
@chibi Whatever works for you my friend. I wish I could send you some pictures of my models. Drybrushing isn’t an issue 😉 Once again if you don’t have a need for them its not like gw is kicking down your door and stealing your wallet. As for myself I try out many products from across a variety of brands and products because essentially all I do is paint. That be my hobby 🙂 best thint to do is educate your self (as you seem to have done) and buy what you need. When I teach others I ask them… Read more »
Am sure you can paint very well.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Where I used the word “you”, replace it with “one”
It was not at all intended as referring to you specifically but in a general sense that people can easily accomplish these techniques.
Can’t be that hard. Even if I ain’t a pro, I can get fair enough results
If I can do it, anyone can.
Apologies for the poor wording
Art supplies aren’t expensive in Canada @ultrasmerf, at least not in Manitoba or Ontario. Unless you shop at Michael’s of course, in which case you might as well go back to GW for your 23 shades of yellow lol.
Also, I didn’t find @chibi ‘s comments rude.
I was thinking of converting an old land speeder to be the “engines” then it will be something like the necron chariot.