A Forgetful Opponent is a Wonderful Thing
August 26, 2011 in Daily Tips, Featured, SCI FI Wargaming, Warhammer 40K by darrell
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Darrell has a chat about what can happen if you get the right opponent in a game and clues us in on the underhanded tactics he uses agaisnt them.
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Its important to walk around the table and not stay at “your” side
In friendly situations, I will generally remind my opponent if he/she forgets something.
A tournament is a very different situation.
~If I’m losing by a wide margin, I’ll remind my opponent to try and nab some sportsmanship scores
~If I’m losing by a bit, I won’t remind the opponent
~If I’m winning by a bit, I won’t remind the opponent
~If I’m winning by a wide margin, I’ll remind my opponent to try and salvage some sportsmanship scores
I think it is fundamental to understand why you play the game and how important is the victory vs the experience of playing the game.
That’s just pure evil. I would so do that in a tournament.
I friend of mine was actually pretty upset one time when we were playing Warmachine. In my favor, he’s a much better player and he knows all the rules I don’t and so on. Currently I’ve switched 40k team to get a rules-wise current team and i still loose at least 80% of the games against him.
What happened was something like this; he used some magic ability or whatnot that made the terrain dangerous to move through and forgot about it. I held back in my turn not wanting to take that kind of damage. In then next turn they were still active and he charged me through it when i triumphantly called out his mistake and made him take the hits. That’s when I realized that even against a tactically and technically much better player, there’s a limit to how devious you can be among friends.
I use that necron tactic in my games, I always leave 10 warriors in a building on my side of the board and if my opponent kills all my necrons in the battle I say that I have another 10 necrons right here.
I just can’t see how helping opponent to forget can be considered as tactic. Its cheating. Pure and simple.
While I agree it isn’t a tactic how can you consider it cheating? How can it be cheating if I legally deploy a unit and then my opponent forgets about it?
It is tactical, it’s not cheating, it’s a very cunning plan indeed Mr. Baldrick Sir.
I have done this with my guys and forgot about them myself lol
for me persoanlly this is the type of game that i try to avoid
i much prefer to remind the player if they have forgotten to do something that you know that they were plannning to do.
Find it a rather hollow victory if i have to rely on an opponent forgotting to do something.
but i guess that is what makes gamers different everywhere
Hahahahhahahhaha eat my melta…….Ohhhhh Darrell I can smell the taint of chaos from here…..
I’ve done this and forgotten about my own unit before as well
Howdy Darrell! Great video! Oddly enough, this very thing happened to me not too long ago.
I was playing my Tyranid in a 1350 pt match versus Space Wolves and had deployed the Parasite of Mortrex in a group with 4 Tyranid Shrikes near a piece of terrain on the table edge. I hadn’t yet painted the models so they were only bases coated black which just so happened to be the color of the board we were playing on.
My opponent had first turn and charge across the board with everything he had. During this time he had moved an important unit within 18″ of the Shrikes.and Parasite. At first I thought he was up to something because there would be no way for that unit to survive and assault from the Parasite backed up by four Shrikes equipped with Bone Swords and Lash Whips.
My opponent smugly passed the turn for in his mind there was no way my gaunts were going to be able to deal with the Dreadnought and Wolf Guard that would be charging them next turn. You should have seen the look in his eyes when I assaulted his important support unit with the Parastie/Shrikes! His unit was wiped out and not only that but the Parasite managed to spawn a ridiculous amount of Ripper Swarms, all of which in the end cost him the game.
When I asked him why on Earth did he move the unit so close he said that he literally couldn’t see them due to being mostly behind terrain and blending in with the board. He was just so focused on using his Wolf Guard to gut me that he completely forgot about a unique HQ choice and a sizable Fast Attack unit.
Ive done this a few times, once when i was against the fenrisians i hid an eversor assassin in some terrain and i actually forgot about him. Some long fangs were giving me knights a hard time but when the lonfangs had to move up to get in range they ended up right next to the building he was in. I spotted the assassin in my turn when i was trying to work out what to do so i assaulted them. I think it won me the game, i love assassins bs and ws 8
assassins ftw!!
I see the logic and understand everyone’s points, but isn’t it better to win through strong tactics and that old bit of gamer luck than nefarious means? I think a win via the above may feel hollow.
where did you get those containers/crates whatever you call em?
You just gave my GK Interceptors a new purpose. Thou they do have a slightly wider operational range than those assault marines, but still.
This works great, I have my assault marines do this pretty much just like Darrell explained.
Was at a tournament a few weeks back with a friend of mine and we had him hide his interceptors in a building, and on turn 4 he shunted out. Did some right damage, the opponent forgot about them, haha.
I should mention though that they were good sports and we had a blast of a game.
As an aside, there’s no way this is cheating, if anyone calls you out on this saying its cheating, give ‘em a right slapping.
Managed to fit in some innuendo at the end too, nice…
I love this tactic myself.