Looks like Mantic read all our comments and realized that they needed a proper demo game to show off their game and who better than these pair of crazy but enthusiastic gamer’s. Nice demo guys.

An exciting game, aided by the banter and occasional blunder with a soupcon of Dice God fickle fortune. I suppose the moral of the tale is ‘Don’t shoot anyone’s dog.’

Sounds like some one here has lost his dummy. You could say a lot of games in some form or other have ideas taken from different sources and isn’t there that saying,”Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?!”

Meh cant play mine. My battle for Hera deal was horribly mispacked somewhat disappointingly

Brilliant game as usual between Warren and Justin!

I must admit that after Warrens first turn I almost switched off rather than see Justin steam roller him but sooooo glad I didn’t!!!!! Incredible turn around!! Can’t wait for a massive warpath game to settle the score!!

On another note, I can never understand why people rant and rave in comments etc. If your not a fan then don’t bother watching or commenting rather than moaning!

I didn’t know if I’d like this but, its looking good man.

In the end most games are improvements and ideas from borrowed from other games. Neither Mantic or GW to my mind have produced anything truly original idea wise .

Getting my first game of 2.0 in today and now really looking forward to it! This now looks streamlined enough for my “every-now-and-again” gamer mates to enjoy it without having to manage a big learning curve

just played a few games last night , hows that for timing :p
great wee vid would have loved to have seen a battle with more points.

would like to say the enforcer assault troop from the start list is awful much better with a standard troop. Also found that the normal steel warrior gun is better than the flamer. This is just from playing about 4-5 games last night so like all good opinions subject to change.

As for what was said about mantic games and such I only have 3 mantic games kings of war v2.0, deadzone v2.0 and dungeon saga v2.0 (The latest one). having been gaming for the last 20 years (not that the length of time should make my opinion any more valid than any one elses) there models are sub par but the models in the deadzone 2 box are a very nice step forward and the game its self is a nice fun game not as in depth as I usually would like but I get the feeling the campaign system from this book and the new bits from the add on will be where the real game will begin and where alot of differences will occur from other systems in sense of feel.

sorry this is a long first post and like to say how the hell can mantic keep getting there own rules wrong maybe its the stress of the camera lol give them cheat sheets people.

again great battle report love to see the beasts of war team play a vid campain of the game if they can squeeze it in.

Ohh, new demo game.

Before I watch this, I’m going to guess Warren wins.

Great demo. I can’t wait to get my kickstarter. I thought this would be a great game to take to the comic book shop on board game night. It definitely has that hybrid feel of board and wargame. Hopefully I can convert some of the board gamers.

That was one hell of an entertaining report to watch. But the credit goes to the players (and the umpire) and not the game. I am a great fan of Mantic and their paradigm of simplifying games. KoW is a prime example for how good this can work. But with Deadzone 2.0 they over did it. A lot.

A buddy of mine and I were really deep into Deadzone 1.0. We played about 1-2 games a week. And we loved it. All those little rules. overwatching, boosting someone into melee. It was a great game and we managed to get even 200 Point games on a 4×4 through in about 1,5 hours. Deadzone 2.0 (we played 4 games until now) is even faster. But I think it nearly lost all of its flavour.

Removing the cards: Yeah ok I can see why they did this. I was a little fiddly. But it was also nice not knowing what your opponnents goal was. So the win came always as a suprise. But ok, the command dice are a great replacement for the normal cards. They should have left the stat cards in there. They were REALLY useful. But after a while you know the stats from the top of your head, so I’m ok with removing the cards.

Removing actions: Where is overwatch? Where is enrage? Where are all these little modifiers which really promoted tactical play? All lost. And I don’t see why. They didn’t slow the game down, once you knew what you we’re doing.

Removing cover: Ok the cover rules where a little unclear. These should have been streamlined. But instead they were removed. Now its only clear shot or not clear shot. Being in a cover cube gives you no more an advantage in itself. Again removing more tactical options.

Snipers and other Heavy/Deliberate Weapons: With the new shoot and move command dice it is FAR to easy to get these guys into position. Especially the goblin snipers are to powerful now. And using more terrain doesn’t work either, because then they can hide even better.

On a positive note: Leaders work better now. The new Splat-Abilities are great. The armybuilding got a little more complex (which contradicts the design idea for 2.0 a little in my oppinion) but gives you a lot more options. I like that. Items work better. The campaign system got the overhaul it desperately needed.

So we are now working a lot of the 1.0 rules into 2.0. And even removing some of the 2.0 ruleset (for example you can’t fire a heavy/deliberate weapon with a free shoot action).

Every time I hear something about how unwieldy, unmanageable & such the cards were, in RRs own words. *they never quite worked*. I think of X-Wing. & then I laugh at how absurd that notion is. It’s. Really. Not. That. Hard! That Mantic somehow can’t handle cards the right way, or thinks we can’t handle the cards… Good Lord! You can’t be serious!! & thumbing through the rulebook is easier???

So much emphasis on easier, simpler, faster has just added up to lesser! So much so in fact that the game is approaching being as much a boardgame as wargame. & if my group & I wanted to play a boardgame, there’s much better options than DZ2.0. Same goes for a skirmish wargame, so many better options than DZ2.0. They have no idea what they want their game to be, board or war game, so they try to do both. & in so doing, fail miserablyat both. GWs back catalog of & new ever increasing line of boardgames is better than DZ2.0 as a boardgame. & Warmahordes & Infinity are such very superior skirmish wargames.

To me, Mantic fixed things in DZ1 that weren’t broken & only mildly improved on the things that were actually broken. Trying to get my money’s worth outta the hundreds of dollars I spent on the DZ1 & 2 Kickstarters but each game session just points towards tossing out the whole Mantic DZ rules/IP, To just use the minis as proxies in other board & wargaming systems.

If that’s what Mantic & their vaunted *Rules Committee* was going for [using their models in other games] then congratulations! Success!! Job well done!!! But I somehow have my doubt about that being their goal.
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Can we all chip in and maybe buy a certain person complaining a new pacifier; because the one he threw away has left the planet.

I’ve finally got round to reading my book I ordered at salute, and I can’t imagine anyone being that excited about the game if they actually read the rules. Mantic really don’t care about the community anymore – they got lucky with kings of war and are now just trying to churn out stuff as quick as possible to make a quick buck.

I am a Long time 40k player … started in the 80s. I do not see how Deadzone could be compared at all to a Games Workshop game. It is very unique in gameplay and tactics. I think mantic hit a homerun by giving miniature gamers a easy to set up, fast playing and tactically challenging game. It is the grid based game I wish Dust Tactics had turned out to be.