Weekender: Are Space Marines Dead?
December 1, 2018 by dracs
We're getting stuck into a big discussion today around the future of Warhammer 40,000 and what the new campaign book and more could provide for players.
Weekender Podcast Download
As well as that we have TooFatLardies in the studio talking about one of their new games, Blitzkrieg 1940.
Updates
We're going to be kicking off with an announcement concerning the Space Hulk Tactics Hobby Challenge. We are going to be announcing the winners Tuesday 4th December at 17:00 GMT.
As well as that we've had John painting up the epic VrilPanzer from Reichbusters: Projekt Vril this week and you can catch up on his work HERE.
Are OG Space Marines Dead?
Before you get your tongue in a twist, we're not saying that all Space Marines are dying. What we are saying is that it's probably about time that Games Workshop started to properly phase out the old designs for the Space Marines in favour of the Primaris style.
We saw this in the new miniature for Marneus Calgar last weekend which came on the back of some great news about the new campaign book and more for the world of Vigilus.
A lot of people love those old models but maybe it's about time to accept that they are pretty old now and need to be replaced with something in keeping with what a modern 'Space Marine' could look like.
Let us know your thoughts!
Blitzkrieg 1940 With TooFatLardies
We've also got TooFatLardies and Rich in the studio to talk about what's new from them concerning Blitzkrieg 1940 which seems like it is going to be throwing a whole bunch of different factions into the mix for your World War II games.
Kickitaurs, Canitaurs & Felitaurs
Yeah, we've cracked open some of the new miniatures from Punga which are currently up on Kickstarter right now.
These are very cute indeed and I think it would be awesome to have us paired up against some of these lovable dogs and cats to see which we'd be.
Competitions - WIN 3x Rampart Pledges With BoW Shield Logos
We're also back with Archon again this week giving away another THREE Rampart Terrain pledges from their recent Kickstarter.
You will also get some exclusive BoW Shield Logos which you can use to magnetise and stick onto the walls so you can fight through your very own OTT Towers.
Also, the winner for the latest Carnevale Two-Player Starter Set is announced and you can Claim Your Prize and check out past winners there too.
Have a great weekend!
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BOOM!! Happy Weekend!!
It was the same story when the original marines from the RTB01 box got replaced by the first static pose metal marines. It will only hurt forever during the eternal period when everything is completely ruined. Then your grognard “Back in my Day” license will arrive in the mail, authorizing you to tell stories about ‘real’ space marine minis to ‘kids with no respect.’ 😛
Happy Weekend!
I think Space Marines are far from over. I don’t plan to replace my Imperial Fist Army with Primaris. (too expensive and too much history that I have with my army) But there may be changes to come.
It’s always good to see TooFatLardies in the Studio. Love their games. ‘What a Tanker’ is awesome!
@templar007 – Good God, man. Are you kidding me? You know what I’m talking about.
I can’t even begin to express my gratitude. 😀 😀 😀
3rd!
Happy weekend guys!
I’ll watch the 1st half of the show before bedtime and the rest after waking up!
Come on guys, laughing so loud at about 09:50! I’ll have to stop sooner before waking up the neighbors!
42 minutes in, sleep time, i’ll finish you guys errr, i mean i’ll finish the vid later today (late afternoon for you guys)!
They just need a suitable back story in the lore and they can ‘primaris’ everything.
It’s the Weekend!
1. Space Marines have been dead to me for a few years now.
3. Those Thingitaurs are just… Weird!
Had they said from the outset “This is the new Space Marine (just the latest of many armour patterns)” to add to your old models or replace if you want (for aesthetic reasons) then that would have been fine with me. As soon as they said “This is the new enhanced Space Marine” add or replace, but really these are better on the table then it became a cynical business model. With the first option they could still have driven sales by allowing new squad configurations only available out of the box using the new models. I bet however they… Read more »
I like Primaris but, I don’t think they would stop making normal marines after all Calgar almost died during the upgrade.
I am pretty sure that in the end the Primaris will phase out the old marines though I don’t think it will be for a while, they will just stop making new stuff in the old marine style and like models in the past be just left behind.
Well the packers finished packing out the entire house yesterday after three days of chaos the hardest part of the move on this end is done. Now time for a weekender! Great seeing you guys last week, shop looks great and the tables were awesome!
Great show guys! Not sure about doggie style D&D but if they have a killer attackbYorkie I might be up for it. But if Warren fly’s to GENCON I’ll definitely go see it for my first visit to GENCON.
Forgot to mention I do agree with Justin on space marine tactical squad always having a place.
And the Rampart Gothic terrain is epic!
Have a safe flight home.
The (small) space marine is dead, long live the (small) space marine.
Happy Weekend
It’s clear that they are going to write out the ‘old marines’ now good old M.C has taken his trip into whatever magic machine Cawl has developed so they get to keep all the old special characters (well the ones they want to anyway) while re-doing the models to the new size I’d rather they’d taken the route they did with the RTB01 original plastic marines and just made the new stuff bigger without any ‘fluff’ reason since it’s something that’s been going on since the srart of the hobby (even recently with the deathwatch overkill marines) but the old… Read more »
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Capt Boppo wished really hard to be big at a Zoltar Speaks machine.
Welcome to the weekend,and only 18 days until I have 2weeks off and hobbying for those glorious two weeks. The plan is to clear all the part painted minis on my table, so that I start 2019 fresh with no unfinished projects . Dungeon Busters sound good, and so does Robin Hood. I think Space Marines are dead as they are. Primaris will be become the standard for Marines. I personally became bored of Marines back in 2011, when I sold both my Dark Angels and Blood Angels. I’ve not painted a marine until this year when I picked some… Read more »
I wish the other factions would get some much needed upgrades first (especially the Eldar and their aspect warriors). Primaris replacing ‘classic’ spacemarines is simply how the battlefield works. You don’t keep the old stuff once the better gear arrives. So why would the genetically enhanced monsters be any different ? The only problem is that so far they haven’t done anything remotely similar to the rest of the hardware the space marine chapters have by claiming no one understands how to make new stuff. And now they dare to modify the human template to such a degree a new… Read more »
Happy saturday folks! So I’m guessing it was my comments that kicked off this Space Marine discussion….. Nothing has changed, for me the future is clearly Primaris and that is the end of 40k for me. I’ve spent ~£3500, building a 13500pts army over the past 6yrs, (Edit: my most recent 40k army – have been a marine player for over 25yrs) and until the release of Primaris I was happily continuing to expand (almost finished a 2nd company), if GW think I’m going to replace that with Primaris they are very much mistaken. There is another side issue from… Read more »
*historical chanting* join us, join us
I’m already there Gerry 😀
I’ve played Bolt Action for many years and looking at giving FoW another go after a failed attempt a while back
Latest edition of FoW is much smoother
Love the rampart stuff… gorgeous work!
As for the marines, I love the look of the new Primaris (apparently not new anymore… where has the time gone?). Don’t see the issue with phasing out the older style, that’s the way of things… and everyone can still use their old forces, especially if they just become normal marines (I.E everyone becomes Primaris across the board) in a handful of years…. then they just become an old style army with the same play style / rules.
As some one who has collected Space Marines for over 11 years and have armies for both Blood Angels and Dark Angels I feel that phasing out regular Marines for Primaris Marines is going to be what is going to be what will eventually drive me away from GW products if I would have to replace all my miniatures that I have used my time and money to with new ones just because GW wants to gator to new customers over those of us that have been buying they products for decade or more. Knowing GW they won’t keep rules… Read more »
Forwarding the 40k universe- All of the Space Marines are ordered to have Primaris upgrade. Many refuse this as messing with their holy gene-seed. Primaris Marines used to enforce changes. Many Marines breakaway to form independent enclaves but still loyal to Emperor. Another massive civil war breaks out. Finally it resolves that there is flaw in Primaris process and old Marines ride in to save the day.
Amazing plot twist right there!!!
Want to see this happen lol
I bet some chapters are still waiting or their Mk viii Errant armour never mind new primaris Marines @warzan
I agree with Warren on the ‘scale’ redo, with as mentioned Orks being the main targets (they need it). I don’t play 40K, but the new Chaos Marines from Blackstone could get me back into the fold, especially if ‘biggified’.
I do think Justin had some valid points, but just not in relation to the discussion the rest of you were having at the time.
Of to pre-order the AT Battleforce box – that’s my 40K, so no Primaris for me.
Warren, I think even you could manage to paint up a Custodes force. Gold spray paint, gloss flesh wash, light silver drybrush, spot of gun metal. Lick o’paint, lick o’paint…givus a biscuit.
1 billion ( 1,000,000,000 ) Space Marines sold over 30 years is around 300,000 a day. I think that’s a stretch. But 1 million ( 1,000,000 ) Space Marines sold over 30 years is around 300 a day. So i would guess there are tens, possibly hundreds of millions of Space Marines out there.
Ah – but how many are still sitting in GWs depots as unsold stock?
Hm… Given that they make them themselves i would think not that many. Thousands would be my guess.
Thanks for the show. I have no difficulty upscaling SM to make them tougher in the game. But if the other factions follow suit then they will just revert to the current sorry state of being the tax you pay to bring on an army built on elites necessary to successfully cope with your opponents.
happy weekend.
great show.
i got to say that terrain set looks awesome. have many plans for many of my games.
GW could do some rework on some of the factions like the orcs but there is some that should just let it as it is.
I wouldn’t say no to some of that terrain. Regarding space marines, I’m not so invested but I trust modern GW to do the right thing.
Shield logos for the Rampert Terrain. Classic
Great prize again. Rampart have a great product and their Kazumi Temple stuff would look amamzing on my jungle table.
I can’t believe @dracs missed the chance to pitch Moria Busters. Sneaking around quietly until some fool of a Took makes a big enough noise to awaken the drums in the deep. Classic.
I thought exactly the same thing about Moria!