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    blinky465
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    Because OTT gets paid to promote

    For me, I think this is why I’ve sort-of lost interest in OTT in recent weeks. I’ve often said, I came for the content, and stayed because of the community. And that is holding up more than ever in recent… well, months even. The video/content weekender-side of things feels very much like a series of “info-mercials” more than a show about pushing little fighting men around a tabletop.

    I was really excited about Myth & Goal. I took part in the Needy Cat online seminar a few weeks back (which, if anyone is interested, was excellent) and I feel like James put together a really good game for this (he did talk about it a little, but his whole game-planning and design process is very impressive). But the whole Myth & Goal campaign was just a massive air-balloon – six months of (pretty poor) Flash-like animations, no info on rules or playthroughs until after the launch and then…. pffft. I followed the campaign closely after throwing my money in the ring. They aimed for £70k and hit about £130k then it just stalled for days and days.

    Personally, I think it’s a bit of a shit move hitting more than double the quoted “target” and then pulling the plug. If £130k isn’t enough to get the game made, why bother with such a “low” target of £70k in the first place?

    It just feels like Blacklist has dropped the ball here – the game itself reads really well, but the campaign was a bit half-arsed from the start. Their original selling pitch of “get some cheap proxies for Blood Bowl” really undersold the game that James and NeedyCat had devised. And their “this game deserves more” statement just reads like “we’re going to relaunch and try to get more money out of you next time” rather than “we want to add ever more stuff to make this really, really cool”.

    Which brings us back to the hype around it – and in the part OTT played in that. The original video “what makes this a great Blood Bowl killer?” was spurious at best, since the video revealed almost nothing about the actual game, let alone explain why it was going to be the Blood Bowl killer it claimed it would – the entire campaign (not just the OTT video) was a series of aims and aspirations, rather than actual, played content.

    And that’s where a lot of the OTT video content feels like it’s been recently (at least on the weekenders) – reviews of photos of games, reviews of up-and-coming releases, reviews of digital renders of 3d .stl files, rather than hands-on experience of actually playing these games (or printing the .stl miniatures). It’s like watching a few people on Zoom talking about websites they’ve stumbled across. Maybe there’s more to it than that and I’m doing OTT a disservice – but I only really flick through the video chapters these days, rather than sit and watch an entire 2hr video like I used to (because the content just doesn’t “grab” me like it once did). So all I see is “here’s a photo of something” and then the timeline shows 10 minutes of content; FFWD to the next section – “here’s a website talking about something else….”

    Getting people in to talk about their new projects – even ones in development that don’t exist yet – is still quite interesting; but without any follow-up, it does feel like OTT (weekender at least) is becoming an outlet for “puff pieces” and adverts rather than a site where we know the personalities and connect with them. I don’t know. OTT is a very different website to the one I joined years ago. Many of us have expressed our opinions on the Zoom vs Studio format, but it feels like the very content of the videos has changed, not just the format of presenting.

    As for Myth and Goal, I still think it’s a great looking game. But I’ve absolutely zero interest in supporting Blacklist Games. If a variation of it were to come out from Needy Cat (or some other publisher) I’d be inclined to look into it, as the game itself still looks really interesting. But it feels like Blacklist are just on a cash-grab by cancelling and looking to re-launch and I’ve no interest in pledging to give them my money a second time!

     

     

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    rickabod41
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    @blinky465 What a spot on post!

    I stopped watching the Weekender a few months back for exactly the reasons you state.

    Indie of the week – nice idea, but do we really need 20 mins of people clicking through a website?

    I agree that having discussions / chats with creators is a grand idea, and surely the zoom format lends itself to that better than inviting people to a studio? Yet the last few weekenders I saw there seemed to be less and less interviews.

    With regards Myth & Goal – I said this at the time that it seemed to be pitched wrong – just an excuse to sell miniatures – and the lack of any real videos / playthroughs harmed it. You are right about the way they have cancelled it as well, smacks more of wanting to generate more income than a redesign.

    It’s a shame that OTT seems to have changed direction – I still like posting project updates and commenting on stuff, and have some fun interactions, but the actual core Team seem more distant now than ever.

    I wonder if that’s down to the takeover?

     

    #1686549

    sundancer
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    If £130k isn’t enough to get the game made, why bother with such a “low” target of £70k in the first place?

    Well I’d guess for the same reason other KS had done it: to be able to boost “Fully funded after 24h” and then show an “impressive” “500% funded” number. A number that really doesn’t say anything.

    I wonder if that’s down to the takeover?

    No. The change started to a degree when covid and lockdown hit. It was then when the show of a happy bunch of people in the studio (and Ben on the Telly) went to a zoom meeting. And with that I feel some… I find it hard to describe it… warmth? honest banter? “pub feeling” got lost? As we had discussed in another thread: virtual meetings are different.

    I just hope that with the end of the lockdown (when ever that will be) some change in format can happen again.

    #1686603

    rickabod41
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    So, you don’t think that being taken over by a company whose sole purpose is to still games, miniatures, and all related accessories, has had any bearing on OTT seemingly becoming just a series of paid for advertisements for things that Wayland Games might stock now or in the future?

    I am not saying it is the only reason, but we cannot rule it out as a potential reason surely?

    #1686615

    sundancer
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    Don’t forget that OTT has a shop and online store too and had so even before the takeover. So there already was an interest to make new shiny thinks look tasty.

    But then again: we can’t know for sure. The only ones that really do know are the ones on the other side of the screen.

    #1686617

    rickabod41
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    very interesting discussion around the nature / purpose of the site these days.

    Normal Blood Bowl related service can now be resumed!

     

    #1686638

    somegeezer
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    It’s a very interesting tangent. I wonder does it warrant it’s own thread.

    I do agree the quality of reporting has dropped. I don’t agree it’s the influence of Wayland.

    Stories like Myth and Goal aren’t going to benefit Wayland, it’s gamer cash going directly to a company bypassing the middleman. I guess they paid OTT for the exposure and that’s fine.

    I do think that launching the KS with a fanfare and not reporting its cancellation is a failure and another mark against this site as a source of news.

    Interesting times.

    #1686671

    rickabod41
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    Star Player Shop

    Are starting to preview a lot of nice looking Blood Bowl Models.

    Some Dark Orc sculpts and some pretty hefty looking Halflings have caught my attention.

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