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    totsuzenheni
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    Not that i’m aware of this ‘hate’ of Ultramarines personally, but in any case, i wonder if part of the problem is simply that in general Space Marines don’t live up to their lore, or at least not the lore that drew me in. (I’m not keeping up these days.) They were meant to be rare elite soldiers and yet in terms of actually building an army and what they can do according to the rules that’s not the case, and further, in terms of what Games Workshop actually produce and sell they are what is actually always available at any given time. The main complaint i see about armies is that such and such an army is out of date in terms of the codex (let alone that there is only one compared to umpteen Space Marine codex) and the rules and the miniatures. It might be a case of a lot of people thinking they were coming into a game with a lot of army choices only to find that most of those are defunct or effectively unavailable and then being directed, yet again, to Ultramarines. Vanilla is a great flavour, but it’s also often the only flavour, and so it becomes a bit… vanilla.

    #1574427

    bvandewalker
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    From what I have heard it is simply that they keep getting more updates than the other factions and it has lead to Guilliman being associated with with everybody from a particularly annoying Black Library writer to GW’s board of sharholders.

    #1574429

    avernos
    Keymaster
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    I’m watching you!

    #1574447

    crazyredcoat
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    That is terrifying, Gerry…

     

    Thanks to everyone who has responded. I kind of figured that it was a case of the ‘bland smurfs’ merging with the ‘poster boy problem’ and that seems to be the consensus here, too. Again, a reiteration that I realise a lot of the aggressiveness that I may perceive is far from intended, and I am rather pleased to be part of a community where this sort of chat can happen. While school might get in the way and I’m still annoyed at GW that my ‘all new’ Primaris army is already sort of obsolete, I might actually put paint to plastic on more of my Smurfs secure in the knowledge that just because other people don’t like them doesn’t mean they think less of me because I do.

    #1574572

    elessar2590
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    30K Ultramarines are actually really interesting and cool. The whole Imperium Secondus and Shadow Crusade are fantastic stories.

    40K Ultramarines are the generic poster boys why have zero character and are just the default that you tag stuff on to or take things away from to make more interesting.

    #1574665

    timmoth
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    666xp

    While I blame the Matt Ward era (the infamous Calgar vs the Avatar scene) the issue existed before that. I started in 2nd edition and bought Codex Ultramarines. I loved the story of the Realm of Ultramar, of Guilliman and the Gauntlets, and all their Romanesque style. It was before I had read of any other Primarchs or knew the Heresy fluff (which I later read in Codex Titanicus).

    Before that I’d been into WW2 airplanes and liked looking up colour schemes and acccurate markings, etc. and this book had all the same type of info, but for a fantasy world.

    So I made a big trip into the Sydney store where Dave Taylor was working at the time (before becoming Oz WD editor). He asked what I played and I said ‘Ultramarines’ – then he and another other staff went, “Oooooh…” and chuckled.

    So I asked ‘What?’ and they went quiet.

    I finished shopping in silence and walked out… It’s never changed, just the reasons people give.

    #1574711

    limburger
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    Some people are natural born sphincters … especially on the internet where you can’t hit them for their ignorance and stupidity.

    GW have pretty much neutered every faction and space marine chapter.
    The flavour is gone, and yet they still manage to produce a ton of codexes and new gear for the bloody space kniggets in blue.

    And yeah … the game mechanics really do not match the lore the game (used to have) has.
    It applies to all factions though…

    As such the space smurfs probably represent the total lack of fun that has crept into the game.

     

    #1575028

    wrusher
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    There’s a bit of snobbery because people think you are unoriginal and just collected the first thing you saw, but hey I like the colour scheme, so sod’em they look cool (*not that I play 40k, but I did work in a GW store and Grognard Vets and Beardy players can be super snobby. I enjoyed painting them… so again sod’em)

    #1575042

    koraski
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    I can’t think of any other 40k factions that have a particularly disliked subfaction, or even a universally recognized default subfaction. Cadians for IG is the closest I can think of as the “default” but I’ve not heard any particular hate for them. Maybe it is because Space Marines have individual codes for the main chapters of is it really all due to the fluff?

     

    Thumbs up for picking a chapter based on color scheme rather than  what “they” think 👍.

    #1575043

    crazyredcoat
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    @koraski I actually picked them because of their characteristics, though primarily their ‘out-of-codex’ one with people like Captain Titus from Space Marine, Decimus Felix from the Indomitus Crusade stories, Chapter Daddy Marneus Calgar (because he is not the ‘everything by the book’ chap that the codex portray the Smurfs to be), and even Severus Agemman because he’s very much like Calgar (even Rowboat Girlyman thinks Agemman is cool). The only one I really hate is Sicarius because Sicarius is a bellend. Though I did pick 3rd company for them because I wanted to paint just one army without golden trim-work. 😛

    #1575057

    limburger
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    @wrusher there’s nothing wrong with picking something you like.
    Especially if it is something that you’re supposed to ‘hate’.

    #1575058

    koraski
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    Maybe it’s the name that rubs people the wrong way. Ultramarines is kind of pretentious… Imagine an Awesometau faction or Megasquats faction?

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    #1575142

    totsuzenheni
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    AwesomeTauce.

    #1575268

    dmwarmock
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    For me it’s not a hate thing as I mainly play Necrons, however seeing Girlyman on the table every single time we play at 1500 points plus and knowing I have to construct my list just to deal with him is a little wearing. That said, I have a Silent King now!

    There is imbalance in the imperial army lists for this reason perhaps, and I know my Dark Angels long for Liono to return….

    Just saying

    #1577250

    deamonwolf
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    I don’t hate UM really I am just very bored with the fact that they are the poster boys, you never hear anything about Cassius or the nid vets that he formed anymore, that would make an amazing addition to their force. and yes its the Mary sue thing as well, no flaws always superior. would love it if for once a second founding or cursed founding became the poster boys, just to kick it up a bit.

    DA well they started off with native American names and fluff ( that’s why they have feathered crests) then they were changed to be in the style noble European knights, as an old grumpy vet I would say I liked the idea of native American style marines.

    also liked the idea that you didn’t know if they were good or bad.

     

    to be fair to poster boys when the blood angels were the poster boys in the 90’s I hated them because they were the poster boys but I was young and naïve

     

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