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Historicon 2019 Live Blog - Part One!

Historicon 2019 Live Blog - Part One!

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We Couldn't Miss, The Battles Of Oriskany & Fort Stanwix

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We all know the story of how Jim got his user name and we couldn’t come to a historical convention and not let him get to chat about the battle that is his namesake.

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warhammergrimace
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After jumping into Flames of War I’m really liking the 15mm scale. I’m considering building a 15mm Hoplite Army using Xyston Miniatures range.

torros
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Xyston are nice but exepensive

oriskany
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Really the smaller the scale the better … at until you hit 6mm or so… at least in miniatures. Nothing against 28mm gaming but it’s tough to get a realistic battle at that scale.

jemmy
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Completely agree. Fighting inside a house in Stalingrad is good for 28mm and it can be quite realistic, but the battle of Kursk is almost impossible in 28mm. Even 15mm is almost too big.

oriskany
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Yep. πŸ˜€

brucelea
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Wah hey!!!

Jim! πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ˜πŸ˜πŸ˜

oriskany
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@brucelea – Have a care wit’ me name, sir, ye’ll wear it oot!

lupa15
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Great looking table! The 15 mm scale really works for this battle.

oriskany
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Agree 100% πŸ™‚

denzien
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I keep thinking of a smaller scale for blackpowder games but i cant shake off 28m

oriskany
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Personally I split the difference, I have 20mm … simply because it’s what I had lying around (plastic soldiers) when I decided to “get serious” about the miniature side of the hobby.

tmon
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Very important duo battles that helped the Battle of Saratoga finish well!

oriskany
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Absolutely. With Oriskany basically causing enough of a ruckus where the Americans were able to break the siege of Fort Stanwix, completely shutting down St. Ledger’s eastward move down the Mohawk valley, Burgoyne and the main body moving down Lake Ticonderoga and then the Hudson headwaters was now on its own. A fateful meeting would come at Bemis Heights (First and Second Battles of Freeman’s Farm).

ghent99
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If it wasn’t for some form of intervention, ahem, the AWI would have been lost over and over.

oriskany
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Brandywine, Germantown, and Payone are definitely the worst. I know a lot of people point to the weeks before Trenton as the Revolution’s low point, and that may be true in SOME ways … but strategically, well … this is where Washington was finally forced into a set-piece battle against Howe’s main body … he got outflanked on September 11, 1777 (Brandywine), and that’s it for the country’s capital. The battle of Payone takes place shortly afterwards (some people call it the Payone Massacre) and the British march into Philadelphia. Washington’s counterattack at Germantown fails … yeah, the war was “officially” over at that point.

Defeat the enemy’s army
Take the enemy’s capital.
You win.

Except someone forgot to tell the Americans.

It’s not until Saratoga (1st and 2nd Freeman’s Farm) kicks in that we get the French into the war and we stand half a chance in hell. That, plus the Spanish later, and finally (after years of covert arms and supply shipments through St Eustatius) that the British finally get sick of the Netherlands supporting us financially under the table and they declare war on the Dutch.

buggeroff
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the is an incredible table and 15mm rocks for massed battle

oriskany
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Agree 100% @buggeroff !

goban
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A Loyal Royal Yank????????
15 mm is great, but, I am waiting for 10mm “World War Zero” from 4 ground.

oriskany
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Battle of Oriskany is historically fought entirely between Americans, Patriot Tyron County’s militia, Crown John Johnson militia, Iroquois Confederacy (both sides, but vast majority Crown loyal tribes) Mohawk, Seneca, etc.

John Adams famously predicted the war would split America into thirds – a third were Patriots, a third were Loyalists, and a third just didn’t give a damn.

wargamer-painter Phil
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15mm never fails to impress with the sheer visual experience i just wish my eyesight was better for painting the little shits. i tried with AWI and only found frustration getting stuff completed. That said you cant get better than the friendly historical 15mm crowd as it was a couple of those old boys that took me under their wing and introduced me to history proper i think AWI will always tug on the nostalgia thread for me, especially as one of the old boys Harry is no longer with us. (i still see him with every AWI board i see)

oriskany
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Thanks for sharing. AWI is always going to be the “only” black powder setting for me.

Darren Bird
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Interestingly, a lot of my friends seem to be getting into 15mm scale of historical massed battles. Maybe just because of the amount of extra space you would need to recreate the same battles in 28mm scale.

oriskany
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You literally get x4 area for the same table space. And I know some folks find painting small minis challenging, I actually find painting LARGE minis challenging. Small minis you just throw a few base colors on, wash and dry brush, done.

It’s the NUMBERS of small minis … THAT’S the killer.

If you’re not a chain painter, 15, 10 or 6mm will MAKE you one.

zorg
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Great video on the battle of Oriscany and the startings of the revolution.

oriskany
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New York 1777 is my favorite campaign of that war.

coachjose59
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And now I know the story behind the name! Well done.

oriskany
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We kind of rushed through it, of course, but those are the highlights.

longshotte
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The guy that wrote the rules was a member of the U.S. Military War College. He use to do a recreation of the Little Big Horn.

oriskany
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Awesome! Did not know that. πŸ˜€

nosbigdamus
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Brilliant man./

oriskany
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Glad you liked it! πŸ˜€

somegeezer
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Good to see you checking in on your namesake!

oriskany
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Gotta remember our roots! πŸ˜€

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