Word for word you are right, but in the spirit of the game would you really fight those agreeing to fight on your side without proper reason. FAQ must clarify for those with no common sence, and i know some of you out there will start stating from history etc , but please it is only a game………can any one else catch a wiff of stilton at there next meet/game.

I smell a FAQ being made by GW after they see this. You should mail them this video!!!
1 thing that I wanted to know for a very long time is something else with allies that aren’t battlebrothers is :”if you have abilities that target enemy models/units, do they also target them? because if you read futher it says that it can only be affected by weapons and other if it would affect friend or foe. Wel that is what i make of it. P112 paragraph 2 of Allies of convenience

i agree that word for word this is true however why would allies of convenience be actually worse for you.

I think this is an oversight and i would not try and pull this kind of cheese in any tournament. that said GW really should check these things more carefully. I mean this is a new feature in 6th so you would think they would go through it with a fine toothed comb!!

But then maybe I’m expecting too much of GW 😉

I think both examples are actually really normal from “fluff” point of view and there is nothing strange on them. Why “nontrust allies” may hold obejctive for u, or dont deny it? Sons of the Emperor never will be pleased, when xenos hold for them important object on battle field… And it is really easy imagine, when terminators and their “allies” xenos Necrons would be in multiple fight with Tyranids, that at the end there would be “free for all” fight… But good examples of “cheese” i like it 🙂 After all in “friendly game” is it only question of… Read more »

When Warren said “oh god” it pretty much says it all 🙂

Nurgle tally lists will love this! Not only are you raising the tally incredibly quickly but you are also claiming victory points for when those grots go pop! XD

Well, I’m not going to comment on the Victory Points for your allies dying, nor the ”Allies of Convenience contest your own objectives against you” – what I will refer you to is p112: ”Desperate allies are treated exactly like Allies of convenience. Furthermore, the units from the allied detachment are non-scoring, non-denial units In addition, the One Eye Open rule applies” So; the only things that make Desperate Allies different from Allies of Convenience; 1) One Eye Open 2) That Desperate Allies aren’t scoring or denial. And that’s it. As those two facts are given their own special reference,… Read more »

Well, this is stupid, but mostly because I think you are probably right. At least, RaW. I do think there are a couple of argument I would make against your interpretation, however. One is logical and has already been stated: why would desperate allies be better for you than allies of convenience? This makes no sense to me, not even as some kind of abstract rule. I know games workshop makes strange and/or badly worded rules sometimes, but rarely do they make something that would be as illogical and stupid as this. Also, if you are going to use the… Read more »

Was hoping guys misread the rule…. but you haven’t Its really clear they do exactly what you say they do. Amn’t even going to try to form an arguement against it, its crystal clear

So now any allies other than Battle Brothers are better for your enemy than they actually are for you. Thank the emperor i m dark angels so most of the good stuff is Battle brothers anyway

I don’t take desperate allies but will enjoy pointing this out to any one who does. As I only play for fun I’ll finally concede the argument but not until I’d milked it for all it’s worth

Give an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, one will type the entire works of William Shakespear, word perfectly.

But the majority will type a book that makes far more sense than the 40k 6th ed rule book….

I’m pretty sure this will change but enjoy it while you can lol

For a first the fluff actually backs up this theory, just think about it, Dark eldar and guard allies – fluff being the dark eldar are in a sticky situation and tell there new captives fight for freedom (of course after the fight they’il be dragged to the dark city screaming regardless) seriously thats not going work the whole time the guardsmen are either going try desert the feild or regroup and maybe try fight there new masters. A few more examples Tau and orks – in theory sounds quite nice lots of models, lots of CC units, lots of… Read more »

I think you are wrong.

if the rule is how you read it then units consider these allies to be enemy troops. This does not say that you must consider them to be enemy troops at any other time, only when it would matter for a unit. therefore, they are not enemy units to you, and so the player would still get all of the benefits of these units besides the ones mentioned.

Disclaimer: I do not actually have the book in front of me, i am simply going off of the reading in the video.

I think it makes perfect sense for distrusted allies to be an enemy. Is it not an awkward alliance when your allies might be heretics or even worse planning to eat you after the food depletes on the other side of the table. One might get nervous and start to bash these allies with a rock before anything worse happens. As for objectives or kill points, they might be trying to steal them or there could be a cunning plan to get rid of your allies by letting them do the dirty work and loot their belongings (Da shiny stuff!)… Read more »

Allies!, realy!,REALY!, crazy but right!.