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Kitbash Competition Oct 2011 – Warpath Vechicles
October 19, 2011 by warzan
Beasts of War have joined forces with the mighty Battle Foam to bring you another sensational competition… a conversion competition!
We want to see your skills at converting models.
We want weapon-swaps and greenstuff galore!
We want putty and pinning, reposing and magnificent model mutilation!
WE WANT CONVERSIONS!!!
WHAT DO YOU WIN?
The prize for the Kitbash Competition is as unique as your entry. You will receive a personalised trophy, courtesy of Battle Foam. The trophy will be a custom-cut foam tray, designed to fit your unique, prize-winning entry and emblazoned with the details of your victory!
But that’s not all!
You can’t have a tray without a bag! So we’ll be giving you a brand new Battle Foam bag to transport your exclusive miniature… and any others you might have of course…
But even that’s not the end of it!!!
WHAT’S THE THEME?
To celebrate the launch of our first competition, Mantic Games has picked the subject, which will be…
SCI-FI VEHICLES
So we want you to convert a vehicle suitable for Warpath. The winner of this first competition gets not only the custom trophy tray and a Mantic Battle Foam bag… but their entry will serve as the inspiration for a brand new Warpath vehicle model... THAT WILL ACTUALLY GO INTO PRODUCTION!
You can’t say better than that for a prize… so get your glue out and start cutting that plastic… it’s time to covert some models and seize the glory!
COMPETITION RULES
Entries must comply with the following:
DIMENSIONS – Your conversion must not be larger than following dimensions:
10.5W x 6.75L" (266mm W x 171mm L)
Height is not so important. This is to ensure that the winning entry is suitable for the trophy tray.
BACKGROUND – At least one picture of the model must be taken using the Beasts of War background (printable in colour or black and white, which can be downloaded here: Download in US Letter or Download in A4).
CONVERSION – All entries should be real conversions. That is to say, they should include parts from at least two visibly different models or boxes, or parts that have been posed or reposed in a sufficiently non-standard way.
Alternately, you may use a majority of parts from one or more model(s) and build/sculpt some parts from scratch, as long as it is recognizably a conversion or a new sculpt.
POSTING YOUR ENTRY – The picture of your finished entry should be added to the gallery at the top of this post. Feel free to add Work In Progress pictures, but please include them as additional images attached to your primary entry. You can always use the CONSTRUCTION SITE group to discuss your work.
THE GOLDEN RULE – The judge’s decisions are final regarding what is eligible for entry to the competition.
SCORING
The entries will be judged according to the following criteria:
PROFICIENCY (0-5 points):
- Does the final result look consistent?
- Does the final result look seamless?
- Was it a non modular piece to begin with (more difficult to convert)?
- Has the model been reposed as well?
COMPLEXITY (0-5 points):
- Are there more than two models mixed in?
- Are there more than one model on the base (diorama, unit, display...)?
- Are there home-made sculpted elements?
- Has the base been modelled as well?
CREATIVITY (0-5 points)
- Has the model got a truly unique design?
- Is the pose/placement dynamic?
- Are some parts used in an original fashion (not their primary use)?
- Has the model been sprayed or painted?
WORK IN PROGRESS (0-5 points):
- Are there WIP pictures?
- Are they informative?
- Are they inspiring?
- Are they documenting a specific use or technique?
- Is there a written explanation?
IMPORTANT
This is NOT a painting contest. A colour scheme that enhances the legibility of the miniature will be taken into account, and even a simple basecoat spraying can do wonders for making your final result look more uniform to the judge's eye... However, a masterful paint-job, while greatly appreciated, will not garner more points than any of the other criteria. Save it for the painting contest, guys!
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Sweet! I got ideas already
If you’re looking to make your kitbash to scale here is the math for that conversion:
Scale/Constant=object size(mm)/actual size(mm)
Scale= 28mm
Canstant=1610mm (5’3″ for a standard male height)
So if you have a 20ft beam (6096mm) and want it in scale you use this:
(28mm*6096mm)/1610mm=106mm
if only i could enter my Inquisitor Valeria Converted Model (well made from spares but uses a SM’s body and legs and head). oh well maybe next time 🙂
I’m going out on a limb here assuming since Warpath isn’t launched until November we are not supposed to use mantic games parts 😛
DogGarnit! Warrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrren! To many good possibilities. To difficult to pick just one. Where to start? Which models? How Much When? Hmmmm. square root of inverse pi to MC permaform……………………..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzBOOM
Could use Kings of War minis, at least for crew if not guns.
No way I can enter this, I don’t even own any vehicle models haha.
Go to your local toy store and buy a cheap plastic truck or excavator (with big wheels!); instant base for either a Marauder or a Forgefather vehicle.
I’m slightly confused. Is it okay to take a box and build something completely new from the parts along with spares from other boxes and perhaps pimp it with a few troops? Say that you take a 40K Predator, make it open topped and fit it with a bunch of mean wheels instead of tracks and finish it all off with a big ass siege weapon. Kinda making it a cross between a rhino, ork trukk and basilisk. Obviously with a lot more creative detail than that. That’s not my idea but it illustrates without giving away anything. I just… Read more »
What you are describing sounds like a great conversion to me, if you can pull it off convincingly…
What did you think a conversion was ?
“Scratch-building” is… well, building from scratch, from raw materials such as putty, plasticard and the like… Not from parts of other models.
At least, that’s the definition I’ve always seen around Teh Intarwebz.
BoW Romain
Well, if you want to play that game then convert means changing the appearance or function of an item and since it says “converting model” that would mean that the original model must be used as a base while I’m suggesting to take some parts and completely remake the appearance. The rules then go on to say that the conversion “should include” parts or that you should use the majority of the parts from one kit and have the liberty of building “some parts” yourself. So no, I don’t think that the rules were very clear on this matter, that… Read more »
No need to resort to insults over semantics… You’ll find many people understood. I’m not patronizing, I’m trying to answer your question. And, I did, by the way.
Who peed in your soup ?
BoW Romain
I can’t see a single insult anywhere. I think many people understood because they assumed things, not because they understood the literal meaning of the rules.
Actually, you didn’t answer the question per se. You said it sounded like a great conversion, not that it qualified for the competition. That’s not an insignificant difference.
Warzan did answer the question however, and without tangling the discussion in linguistics by asking if i could define “conversion” and referring to the almighty unwritten rules of wargaming conversions.
Cheers
Yes that Qualifies
I am also confused but for a slightly different reason
If I convert a Rhino and make it a Marauder truck and lo and behold I winz!! whoot
so then a GW 40k kitbash gets produced by Mantics if I understand correctly?
Something seems not quite right here. Am I missing something?
Am tired and could have misunderstood.
Mantic will use them for inspiration when they design the model, so its likely that any rhino lines left visible in a conversion that wins would be changed in the production model.
as @cazboab says the winning entry will form the inspiration for the new vehicle – so don’t worry about IP issues. Mantic can worry about that 😉
Thanks for the clarification
Would really like to do something but fear my hobby timetable is already screwed and my snail pace work rate means missing the deadline by 12 months lol
Pity because I have some vehicles that were bought from ebay cheap with the intention of converting 🙁
Two questions: Is there any limit on how many entries you can put forward and are total scratch-builds allowed?
@cazboab, total scratch-builds are allowed, the boss says ! We may encourage it, even, at least this time around, given that the winner will be the inspiration for a new Mantic vehicle. The more original (less directly recognizable parts from other companies) the better. But that’s a given : creativity and coolness will get you more brownie anyway ! You may loose one or two points here and there because they’re not made from plenty of parts, but if you can pull it off and get a result similar or better than a proper model, you will doubtlessly garner many… Read more »
Yes I may want to enter right now… I have 6 conceptual designs in my mind….
Also will ZZ’or use vehicles?
Hello guys… some things i dont uderstood: Only kit-bashs can enter? So i need a real kit to work with, not pure scracth builds allowed? I dont have a proper vehicle kit around, and as shipping to my country work, i will not have it either… But i have an absurd amount of old toys and 1 pound shops here, from where i can get dozens of good workable conversios, it will count?
Aditionally, when the competition will end? I dont think i can do this in a week, but a month is ok for me… ^^
Building from Scratch is fine too.
Keep the questions coming and I’ll add an FAQ to the post.
Competition closes on the last day of the month 🙂
Do we have to make a vehicle for the Forge Fathers or the Marauders? could it be for other races?
Thanks for another great competition, will have to duck out of this one. Not up to speed on the warpath world, plus got some vampires that have my energy at the mo. Might still go for the next painting comp 🙂
Like the idea that kitbash comp is not about painting it to top standard as well. Not sure I could get a nice kitbash job done and painted up in a month…
Does it have to be based on one of the warpath vehicles or can we make out own and they make rules for it?
Base it on one of the vehicles listed in the current Army Lists.
Would it help if I got a list of vehicle possibilities from Mantic?
Ah, that wasn’t clear at all. I thought we could go nuts and then Mantic would see what they could make of it. Obviously it makes a lot more sense to have to base it on an existing entry.
A list would be a good idea, otherwise, how would we know what qualifies to build? Also, for us who don’t know Warpath, it might be a good idea to make it clear if they have any limiting factors. A skimmer shouldn’t have wheels and vice versa.
I’ll see if I can get a list togetherther then 🙂
We have tried to make the rules as clear as possible but hopefully over the next few hours we can iron out any kinks 🙂
Can it only be from the released army lists or can you invent a vehicle for another race like the Corporation? 😛
A list would be great 🙂
Oh crap! Ive started already and i know nothing about warpath!! D:
Damn, im skint because i bought dreadfleet so i cant buy any new kits. The only thing i can do is salvage from my existing vehicles. The only vehicle im willing to strip down is my shadowsword. I better win this, im going to destroy my vehicles and ruin my paint work. 🙁
Beware of the 171mm length limitation. It will be a tight fit with side sponsons.
Yeah i did see that so i removed the sponsons.
The dimensions are odd – 266mm wide and 171mm long sounds like you have width/length reversed – what about height limitations?
If you turn the model 90 degrees its fine again 😛
I also was a little curious about the height. I guess they assume that no one will build a vehicle that exceeds the limitations of battle foam. I know mine, if it works out, will only be like 4-4,5 inches so I’m guessing it will be fine.
Cheers
This competition, while a neat idea, seems to have a plethora of problems for me. The biggest being that models from other companies can be used to create the model. If they are not extremely careful when it comes to the production, GW (for arguments sake) could look at the entry here, see what the contest entails, look at the production model and I’m sure there would be legal ground for GW to stand on. Also, if mantic are going to look at the winning entry and then use that for “inspiration” I would much rather have seen a concept… Read more »
I respectfully don’t agree. I’m thinking of using parts from regular model kits that would fit the 28mm scale of the game as well as any other parts of models I can find (like guns from MaxMini). Being able to use any parts will help those are are not so skilled in making their own parts (or be able to draw them) but who can see how they can used for something else. The idea is to create something new that Mantic can use as inspiration for their design, inspiration being the key word. So GW aren’t going to look… Read more »
Sooooo no skulls then 😉
Like ImmortalReaper, I feel that the terms of the contest are actively detrimental to the apparent goals. If we could submit concept art I’d definitely compete, but making it a conversion contest both limits the innovation possible and feeds Mantic’s reputation for being a 40k knockoff.
And shouldn’t more weight be given to the actual quality of the design (which is what will shape what’s actually be put into production) and less to the Complexity and Work In Progress categories, which are only relevant to the initial conversion?
This is a monthly contest for grabbing bits and building cool shit 🙂
The Mantic thing is really only a bonus. Its an excuse to play with glue, green stuff and parts 😉
Bugger, my reply was meant to go under alexholker’s lol
Yeah, I wanna build cool shit! 🙂
It’s about how you can use your imagination to use parts in ways they weren’t intended and to suit your models needs; like using a space marines jump pack as the thrusters on a jetbike. I also don’t see any restrictions on using scale model kits either, for other parts, and the rules don’t state you must use GW minis to make the vehicles either. I’m looking at a couple of scale models right now and what maxmini weapons or weapons from other companies I could use, so that the end result is not just a combo of GW bits.… Read more »
Blimey you’re making this complicated 🙂
Lol, yeah, it’s getting a bit overblown ain’t it? As I read it, you get parts from models, from wherever you like, maybe sculpt or build your own parts, and make something new to fit a vehicle description in the army lists, and include WIP photos/descriptions. And win, simples! 😉
Yeah,but knowing where to find the vehicles and their descriptions would help…
This is a gamer website, and gamers like to argue and interpret rules… Even if everybody knows them. While, this month and this month only, it would probably help if it fitted a description in the Army lists (still on the BoW website somewhere, I gather), you can truly “let go” creatively, and that’s what’s interesting ! The truth is we judges can’t know if something is eligible or not until we see it. Most things are probably eligible, including, again, probably, anything you guys can come up with that fit this month’s theme. In fact, so far, we’ve only… Read more »
http://www.beastsofwar.com/spotlight/warpath-beta-playtest/
Here! 😀
Can I get the custom-cut tray of a foam tray, so I can protect my smaller foam tray?
hmmm does this mean you cant scratch build stuff ?
Feel free to scratch build, we’ll work out the scoring that scratch builds are not penalised – however the chances that a scratch build will contain no parts of any model (i.e. guns or wheels as an example) are pretty slim anyway.
have you seen any of the scratch build plasticard veicles out their ? there are some amaziningly detailed ones using rods for gunns etc with a little practice and some sculpting you can make something cool without too much effort
Now I’m really looking forward to seeing your entry 🙂
OK not sure if this is already been answered, but I already have 2 mantic marauders (they were giving away free sprues last month) Is it OK if I use them to crew my entry? if not I may have to use the orx out of dwarf kings hold.
It’s ok to use them!
: post below forgot to set it as a reply. 😛
Thanks @warzan
hi warren i have submited an entry but the finished pic isnt up yet im going to download it once ive finished it. will that still be looked at then? what do you advise?
cheers, matt
just added my entry…..but can’t edit the text in the descriptions boxes, but have got a work in progress link too.
http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/construction-site/forum/topic/kitbash-competition-oct-battlebot-wip/