Have to agree with you guys, not liking this one at all.

The one thing I want to have complete control over is my army list.

Once the game starts I dont care, call it the ‘madness of war’ or whatever, I’ll take unpredictable on the chin during a game all day long, but I want to field the army I choose, not on the dice chose for me thanks very much.

Althought that sounds rather interesting I think that this might actually be some what problem to armies that rely heavily to psychic powers like Eldar do. I would say that being able to choose what psychic powers you want to use is part of playing those armies. maybe heavy psuchic armies could have special rule that they can pick they psychic powers without needing to randomly pick them like rest.

Last thing, 40K needs is more randomness. If there si a balancing problem with certains psychic powers, nerv those powers to oblivion but don’t take controll over the army list away from the players. With psychic powers being a gamble, the can’t be an element, your army and strategy is built around. So you just elimineted creative strategies from your game. On the other hand, if there still will be owerpowered combinations of psychic powers, it might end the whole game after the roll for psychic powers: “Oh, you got the psychic powers X and Y. I guess, I lost.”

So: This rule doesn’t solve exissting problems. It creates new.

Random powers just doesn’t sit right, for one thing I think only the orks have exactly 6 powers- cos they already use random powers. Are we to assume that Ahriman or Tigurius are only in control of their powers as much as a frickin’ weirdboy?

Its too much FAQing, considering some psyker units get powers unique to them even within their own army. Maybe if the number of powers you can use in a turn is random I could see that working but I think this is a non starter, and if it is left in the rulebook it might be what kills folks enthusiasm for 6th the same way the poor line of sight rules turned a lot of people away from 5th.

In my Eldar army I need fortune/doom on my Farseer so that my “hammer”, Howling Banshees don’t bounce off and die against the first thing they come against. Heaven forbid on the rare occasions I run a seer council and I don’t roll up fortune, I’ll have invested over 400pts in something that dies as easily as a Dire Avenger.

There’s more talk of these rumours over at BoLS:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/05/40k-rumor-6th-psychics-and-more.html

and

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/05/40k-rumors-6th-edition-allies-and-more.html

Everything posted in these two links makes me cry and cringe, particularly the second link and if are to come in will see me keep playing 5th or just drop out. I started getting into WHFB at the end of 7th ed and when I started playing 8th ed I really didn’t like it. I don’t want 40k to go down the same path.

I agree. this is too far below the belt…. If I want Smite and Vortex of Doom on my Eplisitory, then i’ll CHOOSE them… i don’t want to fight Deamons with anti-hored Powers, or fave a Tank-heavy army with no destructive power (Might of Ancients, etc…) I hope that NONE of these rumours make it into the 6th Ed book. if it did, players would drop out, GW loses money and until 7th Ed came around, no-one would take Psykers. unless as said in video, ALL Psykers must have UNIQUE powers… then i’ll definately take my DE more often….

While I could tolerate this with something like Orks or Chaos, forces like Eldar and Space Marines shouldn’t have such a random factor to their force selection.

Hmmmm… I only suspect is that this is for non-special Psykers, I imagine they’ll introduce like a Loremaster kind of Psyker, one able to use all powers.

If not, I don’t mind, I hate psykers- I wouldn’t mind seeing less of them doing Blood Lance and Jaws, that Space Pup 4 psyker list is partically good at ruining friendships.

An elegant way of doing random power selection would be to make a choice then roll for it, on a 4+ you get your power otherwise you make a new selection and roll again, this time on a 3+ you get your selection. you could continue in this vain until all powers are chosen. this method would avoid the need for any faqs or lists of powers in the rule book.

It sounds a bit naff to me too.
Like the guys say it’s too much FAQ’ing, and it flies in the face of what I’ve been hearing for ages; namely that the most recent codices (BA/GK etc) have been written specifically to remain current throughout 6th edition. (future-proofed if you will)

Besides, we don’t want to go down that road again: (I don’t know what tags work on here so imagine “that” was in italics)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCdWbMekTE8

On a more serious note: The act of list building is a part of playing a competetive game (whether you play competetively or not the game is a competition between two or more players), and should remain an important part of determining who wins and who loses in each game.
Taking control of army composition/equipment/powers/etc away from the player is diminishing the impact of their choices on the outcome of the game.

On a more personal level, the army on the table represents the controlling player, they are in many ways our creations, and are essentially fighting on our behalf. It seems ludicrous to allow us to build the models, paint them, choose which units go in our army, (some people even name them, invent their own factions/chapters/kabaals/craftworlds/etc and write their fluff) and to then make something like which Psychic Powers a hero (possibly even the army’s general) can use beyond our control.

I have to say, I am glad they are trying to address it. The simple fact is, psychic powers in 40K are not balanced. GW did a horrible job with them. Marines get the best ones and the best defense against them, everyone else pretty much got the shaft (eldar maybe the exception). So how does GW nerf psychics on a wide base without having to fix it on every book? Even the suggestion of no duplicate powers will fall short. Psychics are too good, and way unbalanced. Chance of failure is too low, and most armies have no defense against them.

GW did a poor job with them from the start. There always needs to be balance. You can’t give one set a good tool to add to their army and then do a crap job giving it to others.

@Warren I completely disagree. I think this is so cinematic! 😛

Beside, if in 6th edition the emperor is dead. I expected that most of space marines’ psychic powers are out of control. The dead of the emperor should be somehow represented in 40K and this is the best way how to do it.

It was really needed in 40k such a rule. It is not fair space marines got all so much offensive capabilities and no defensive capabilities.

Of course this only applied to SM and not to Eldar, CSM , etc…

If it is the case, I believe this is elegant as it gets.

Rumors has it in 6th he dies but before he dies predicts that a starchild with all his powers will one day come to unite all humanity against chaos and xenos.

Anyone else spot the Dark Angels book on the table? amazed that you didn’t mention the whole TWO powers that thier librarians get!

anyhows, Orks already have random psychics powers (every turn!)

I think that this rumour was “fed” out to try to find a leak…

What a load of rubbish, the next stage will be when you randomly select who you shoot at. Nice one workshop!

Why don’t you just reprint out the fantasy rulebook with a 40k label on, save you some money there.

Rumours, as always. Regardless, if the 40k ends up a replica of the Fantasy book, I don’t care about any excuses from GW or reasons to simplify rules: that’s just LAZY & bone-idle business towards the millions (and millions) or customers who happily (with a raised eyebrow) pay their hard-earned money towards your business, specially when Finecast still causes problems for people who’s local GW is miles away.

Apologiez for my little rant. But seriously, if it’s a replica of Fantasy somewhat, wouldn’t you think it’s just a bit of a lazy business move?

Truth is, we are all afraid and dislike change when this happens with Rulebooks. I wonder, though, was the fanbase negative towards the 5th Edition? I cannot recall as that’s when I returned to the hobby. But like myself, I’m afraid of change, and perhaps the 6th Edition will become awesome in time. Time.

For me, honestly, let’s just wait until this Relic is released into our hands. It’s seems to just cause heat, maybe to get fans reactions and make changes… But for me, I’m simply just too excited for GW to begin raising the bar in the 40,000 universe with fliers. It’s about time and long overdue.

I’m looking forward to these new releases. Admit, yes, I dread a Fantasy replica 40k book. I find most of these rumours annoying to hear about “realism”. Whatever. Just because you’re in front of your squad doesn’t mean you’ll be gunned down first. 50/50. This is why, from my knowledge, someone is on point (from a realistic view) to notice the enemy, and it’s most likely someone at the back who’ll get gunned down were they not paying attention. etc. etc. etc. I get why the rule is in place, but seriously, watch us exploit these rules like we do with the current ones. GW ain’t impoving, it’s just changing how our exploiting will work in the 6th edition. lmao.

But let’s just wait, shall we 🙂 Wait.

I no not like this idea.

I can’t see this one myself.
Take Eldar for a start, A farseer is 55 pts basic and then pays points depending on what psychic powers he has. My Farseer usually comes in at 178 pts.
How would it be possible to write an army list if you don’t know how much your psyker will cost you until you roll for his powers? They would have to rewrite the codex or do I get an extra Vyper because my Farseer didn’t get to spend all his points.
Hopefully this won’t stop people taking psykers, just keep rolling those 12’s 🙂