Warmachine: What Keeps Me Coming Back?
March 27, 2015 by crew
As I have described in my previous ramblings, Warmachine and I had a few bad dates in the beginning. I would say something stupid, Warmachine wouldn't call, you know the story. We danced around like this for months before committing to the current arrangement of complete and utter infatuation...
What Keeps Me Coming Back?
This is something I have given much thought to. I sometimes get asked if I actually like playing and my answer is a complicated 'Yes!'
When I first started, I thought I'd be a painter. I'm a digital artist by day, so the idea of playing around with traditional mediums on a 3D canvas was very appealing. I assumed I would enjoy the painting and hobby side of the beautiful game and that the gameplay would be a secondary, obligatory pursuit. I would never have guessed that, years later, my army would remain unpainted and here I am, writing this article after playing in my very first competitive tournament! Don't get me wrong, it took some slow breathing, but having come out of the other side of Organised Play, I've been bitten by the bug!
Heavy Metal Combat
I couldn't have imagined just how much fun it would be to play this game. I completely misunderstood just how much intelligence is involved. It's so... thinky!
I have played in exhausting games that have commanded every ounce of my intellectual capacity. I have spent hours thinking about tactics and scenarios when I'm not playing. I've even spent time analysing and discussing my own psychology whilst gaming, with others who understand the consuming nature of being a wargamer.
The gameplay is, frankly, thrilling. I love how two games will never be the same. The delicate balance between calculated tactics and unpredictable dice rolls can have simultaneously soul destroying and uplifting effects on the same table. There are multiple ways to end the game which keeps every bout feeling unique and exciting.
The ever present tantalising glory of pulling off a desperate assassination attempt in a seemingly orchestrated sequence of perfect moves is enough to keep me hooked. Now that I have had a taste of tournament play and experienced the hit of elation upon the end of the day, I can say with confident authority that I want more. I am somewhat terrified of the high level of competitive players in my community, but I understand them. Warmachine in general promotes that quick, brutal win and lends itself perfectly to a competitive environment. Despite all that however it's also a brilliantly tactical, fun, relatively small game for casual play!
Getting The Most Out Of The Game
Setting goals is a great way to get more out of the hobby. My goals have grown in line with my ability. I remember thinking it would be my ultimate goal to play a total stranger, in a club, on a proper gaming table. I was living alone in Bristol at the time and I was poking around the Internet looking for the local scene, before stumbling upon a wargaming forum for The Bristol Vanguard. Hallelujah, they had a Warmachine board!
Posting in that forum is definitely what kick-started my slippery descent into the hobby, good and proper! I had previously played my boyfriend exclusively, so playing a new army in a new environment was such an exciting and equally scary prospect. Luckily, the Bristol scene was the friendliest, most welcoming and understanding bunch of players I could have hoped for!
On the night of my first game, the atmosphere was positively party-like! It gave birth to my next goal and I started on the Journeyman League run by the club, playing regular battle box games against different opponents on a regular basis. I have grown my whole army on the advice given to me during that league and I still meet up with and chat to the friends I met there. It has had the real world application of helping me with my nerves and confidence in general!
I have another friend who booked himself into SmogCon in order to spur him into fully painting his army! There are many events and goals you can set throughout your wargaming journey and I think it can really cement your relationship with the game. I'm certain I'm not alone!
Fluff-tastic
Another aspect of the game that I couldn't have guessed would become a major interest is the fluff. My impressions of wargaming were founded in my youth and largely consisted of big, manly Space Marines and tanks. Neither of these things caught my imagination then and continue to fail to this day. Sorry Space Marines.
Warmachine is chock full of interesting, fleshed out and utterly bad-ass female characters. As I have written before, my partner bought me my first starter Warmachine army as a present on the basis that I might appreciate the background of the game. I have found this to be increasingly inspiring. I can really buy into the characters and the world.
Sure, it's pretty straight forward. There's a war on, did you know? Many of the armies in the world of Warmachine are led by powerful female Warcasters who are every bit as awesome and destructive as the male Warcasters and just as fun to play! As a fictional world, that equality is important to me. I can see myself as a member of the armies I play as. Are there any other Sci-Fi or Fantasy wargames that employ such a large amount of female backstories? I'd love to know!
The stories of the individual characters in Warmachine has had an effect on my purchasing habits! I have enjoyed the fluff and become loyal to my faction. I don't just buy into the girls because I am a girl at the expense of well written male characters either. I do appreciate the gender equality in the storyline of Warmachine and the interwoven nature of their narrative. I have bought into Asphyxious as a caster, because of his connection with Deneghra.
I would say, however, that the actual game is quite removed from the fluff, with no story campaigns to play through. On the table top, it’s a very linear format. Maybe Warmachine could benefit from a mechanic where you could imagine yourself as a Warcaster and influence your battles with your own fluff? I know this touches upon RPG territory and maybe Privateer Press’ Iron Kingdoms could scratch that itch, but it’s something that I would love to see implemented! Do you invent your own fluff?
The Hobbyist
The craft of wargaming has, without doubt, been a surprising feature in my journey. I am someone who didn't even realise I had to assemble the models myself! Learning the art of cleaning up mould lines, gluing and basing, are skills I never thought I'd possess nor need. I'll be very honest here and confess that my partner, Ian, is a model maker by trade and it's largely his handy work on display on my side of the table!
We have just moved home and set up our very own hobby lab! I'm sure that I've, for now at least, tapped the well dry and I'll be fixing my models up under guidance only from here on out! Still, you never know when you might have to pin your way out of a sticky situation, so I'm sure they're valuable, transferable skills...right!?
Community Spirit
I couldn't write about what keeps me coming back without mentioning the community and the affect it has had on me. I hope it's become clear by now that I think the very best single aspect of wargaming is the welcoming, inspiring, friendly community spirit of the Local Gaming Club. No people means no games. Bad attitudes means no games. Luckily I have experienced only abundant and brilliant people playing wargames in both of my local clubs since I started playing.
From my first tentative posts on a wargaming forum to my recent completion of a proper-grown-ups tournament, I have felt nothing but encouraged, uplifted and surrounded by friends.
I hope that if anyone reading this was undecided or curious about the world of wargaming, that my articles might offer a peek into just how awesome a community we find ourselves in. If you're new in town, have an army but don't know what to do with it, like games but have no idea where to start, I highly recommend locating your local gaming club, group or shop and making contact.
Whether they're highly organised and big enough to house a huge store with gaming space, or they meet upstairs in a local pub for small games and a chat, they're out there! They're out there and they're rolling dice. You could be too.
What keeps you coming back?
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I really enjoy reading these articles from our very own community members (Also liked the one before from DeadDave)
Yay! 😀
I definitely like they have more female characters, 40k is sadly lacking in that respect (still waiting for those plastic Sororitas too…) – I think the only WMH that appeal to me are the Convergence as I’m guessing they probably don’t have any floating/weird creatures?
I’m really new to Warmahordes (haven’t even gotten an army yet!) but articles like this make me eager to play. Regarding your hopes for a storyline campaign, the Path of Devastation organized play season seems like exactly that. Players pick a hero and level them up through play and it ties into the High Command card game and the Iron Kingdoms RPG (which shows that same level of dedication to interesting characters and cool stories).
@weatherwax oooooh what faction are you going to go for?
Also ooooh – I have heard of that I think! Is it like a league? I’m dyying to play the RPG but I’d be *sings* ‘aaaall by myself’ 🙁 I’ve been chatting to a few people at my club and doing their heads in – hopefully soon they’ll relent ;D
You could try to get Unleash Adventure Kit that just came out and a few friends, is completely selfcontained and has all the miniatures and scenary that you need. Plus is very damn cheap and freaking hilarious : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJwtMq9YmIE
Also there is this “The Undercity” adventure board game that will be out very soon for the Warmachine side of the equation… and the Cephalyx are in it :3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlKm1siWOYI
It’s a league, yes. Here’s Privateer’s page with all the relevant info http://privateerpress.com/organized-play/leagues/riven-bonds
I think the RPG is definitely worth checking out. As far as I’ve seen and heard, the system is close to identical to that used in Warmachine itself with movement and effects identical between the games and stats using the same system. The only major difference between a Warmachine model and an Iron Kingdoms character being in a few extra stats and abilities needed for roleplay purposes.
There’s also a free adventure for both Iron Kingdoms and IK Unleashed (the Hordes equivalent) that includes some pre-gen characters and all the key rules (DriveThruRPG has the pdfs of them and I think they’re on Privateer’s site as well). Plus both of them feature awesome female PCs.
http://www.beastsofwar.com/members/bintykins/ I’m sorry, I missed your first question. I was initially leaning to Khador but I think I’m going to go with the Retribution of Scyrah. I love their sleek aesthetic and the way they turn a lot of the usual elf stereotypes on their ear (no pun intended…well…possibly a bit).
@weatherwax I didn’t fancy Ret at all until I played a dude who had the most exquisite paint scheme I had ever seen and it totally turned them around for me. I thought they were the only faction that seemed out of place, like too sci-fi… But ooh they can be so pretty! Also, he absolutely crushed me so…. Ret R Gud ;D
It’s funny how your initial assumptions often end up completely wrong, when I first started wargaming I was very much focused on the gaming side of things I rarely painted my miniatures in fact it was a little bit of running joke amongst my friends that my colour scheme would be ‘black, black and black’ because priming my miniatures was about as far as I got. These days the building and painting side of wargaming is more important to me than the gaming side of things, I still game from time to time mainly playing Dystopian Wars, Firestorm Armada or Infinity but my habits have well and truly changed with time. I do miss the social side of wargaming the thrill of pulling off that truly amazing turn of combat or the feeling of complete and utter failure as a human being when you roll a double one on a 2+ armour save.
similar story for me : i went into deadzone for the modular scenery that was created with the game because i had been looking for years to find some modular system that could be used in any skirmish game (have a small flat so space is a ressource here). i started to casually read the game rules after reading an article from jake thornton in ravage mag (the french version).
i ended up buying rulebook and converted my playgroup to use the rules (and scenery) for a large scale campaign to play tactical / spec ops missions like assaulting space stations and key positions with elite troops.
great read. Certainly looks like the painting side isn’t one of the reasons, though 😉
Damnit, submitted that way before i meant to. You do sum up many of the reasons that have resulted in my friends and I ending up playing Warmahordes more than any other game these days, though.
and you really need to play Iron Kingdoms… it brings the fluff to life incredibly well. 🙂
I know! Haha! It’s abysmal isn’t it?! Will have to pull my socks up since I’ll be playing in Welsh Masters soon… Don’t want to let the side down ;D
Warmachine was the game that got me back into miniatures, and everblight helped my girlfriend get her start. Other games have since come along though (Malifaux has stolen my heart) and its been over 18 months since i last played but this article has got me wanting to dust off my khador and get back into it
Ooh fab! Does your girlfriend play Malifaux too? I must admit I’m Malifaux-curious 😀
YEEEAAAAAH get your Khador out, go on!
Shes got the seamus box, but I really cant remember if shes played a game ( which probably suggests a ‘no’). Malifaux is a cheap enough game to get into and plays diffenert enough from most other systems to justify its inclusion in a collection. I think im have a read through my warmachine books tomorrow and get a small game going on sunday
Aww I really hope you do! Let us know 😀
This was enjoyable article.
Nice article.
I love the way the timeline actually moves on, characters can and will get injured, crippled, amputated or actually die, but that doesnt stop their progressed version being less badass, Epic Xerxis has a pretty badass wheelchair 😛
Great article! I gave up on Warhammer 40K several months ago (after having played it for several years) and I have been playing Warmachine ever since. I enjoy it far more. It’s so much more tactical and interesting to play than 40K ever was. I started out with Protectorate of Menoth and then picked up Cryx as well. I primarily play Severious1 and Deneghra1 as my casters–though I have others. I’ve only played in one tournament, but I can’t say I enjoy the competitive side of things as much. Timed turns irks me. I greatly enjoy playing casual games with my club friends and I want to do more story-based things with it in addition to just playing Steamroller scenarios. I’m so glad to see your articles on BoW. It was so very lacking in WM/H content (which is strange since it’s such a popular game).
@iplay40k I know! It even won best Fantasy game in the BoW awards last year? I guess they can only cover so many things ^_^ I will gladly chat about WMH until the cows come home though!
I’ve really struggled with the competitive side of it, especially in the beginning and finding a new club when I moved. I am nowhere near the level of my new community so often the conversations go right over my head! I’m glad I got to attend a small tourney in Bristol though – it was 35 pts and in my old club so I knew a lot of faces. I’ve somehow wrangled a ticket to the Welsh Masters too, which makes me sick in my mouth every time I think about it! BUT, the idea of getting better is so thrilling! I think it’s essential to have a group of players the same level as you – otherwise you don’t find enough reasons to continue. I found Timed Turns to be hilarious though, I did enjoy it. For me, It’s just a matter of building my confidence 🙂
I wish you were at our club! Where abouts are you if you don’t mind me asking?
United States. We typically play 35pt games in my club as well–though several of us could easily play larger games if we wanted. I have even enjoyed 15pt games.
I don’t like timed turns, but I intend to try Death Clock sometime in a casual game. I’m sure I would like that better than timed turns. I have an iPad mini and I bought a 99 cent chess clock application that works great.
Great article and a thoroughly enjoyable read of another artist come gamers perspective on Warmachine and the table top gaming world. 🙂
I went from painter of minis to gamer and have hardly touched a paintbrush in the last 10 years. A work colleague of mine got me into Warmachine as I had been a traditional GW 40K clone who had thrown my toys after one too many rules changes and vowed not to game again!
Warmachine caught my imagination and renewed my interest in wargaming and from there I actually have expanded into trying many different gaming systems. However Warmahordes has become my main ‘gaming fix’. I currently have four factions: The good old triad of Khador, Menoth, and Cygnar for Warmachine plus a smaller Legion of Everblight force. I enjoy the diversity of gameplay between the factions and especially the different dynamic of Hordes & Warmachine that blends so well.
Privateer Press’ new Starter box armies are a fantastic way for anyone Interested in Warmachine/Hordes to jump in and play fun and reasonable sized games straight away so totally recommended.
The new All In One boxes are indeed amazing! I’ve ordered two because greeeed! 😀
Thanks so much for commenting! I really want to paint my army, especially now that it’s growing and I’m learning how to run it better! I feel like I owe them, is that crazy? But I’m so surprised that I’ve left it this long!
Thanks for taking the time to read all our comments. Keep on enjoying your gaming and it is great that people like yourself and many other Beast of War members encourage, support, and give back to the gaming community.
You may be crazy but I am sure it is a good kind of crazy. 😉
Amazing article and i do feel the same, Warmahordes is a game about deep thinking and take advantage of every inch of possibilities you have available. But the great part is that even dice rolling plays a part in the game, tactics are far more important and define the mayority of the outcome most of the time.
What makes love it is the infamous page 5 that i read today in the rulebook, i says exactly what i feel about games : You don’t compete because you want to win, but rather because you want make each other suffer for that victory. That’s for me when a battle is truly valuable, well anything in life actually.
And yes, by far it has amazing female characters. I read a few of the force-books and novels that had stories of Convergence of Cyriss, Cryx and the Cephalyx; they truly are very deep characters that make you hate them or love them. So far i read about the Harbringer, Deneghra, Mortenebra, Aurora and the Iron Mother Directrix ( Mother of Aurora ), but i would love to read more about other characters, specially some from the Hordes side…
But to be sincere, my true love are the Cephalyx. I read their force book and a few short stories about them. I respect their way of being and give the middle finger to all gods, improve themselves, destroy completely human nature and move forward to the only thing that really matters : Knowledge.
Other games that have strong female characters… Wild West Exodus ? Infinity i’m not very sure but you should check it if you like anime style and don’t have issues with pin up stuff. Same goes for Relic Knights, i really like the mechanics and miniatures on that game but didn’t read much about the background except for the general story… is kinda ecchi in the sculptures but that the style that Soda Pop offers. Lastly, i have to mention TGG kickstarters from Raging Heroes… by far the best bad-ass female sculps that you will find in any model range. If you want to try to make a sisters of battle army, a full female or mix Imperial guard army ( the are 3 variants! Russian like, Krieg and Caddian in the first TGG kickstarter ); or maybe want to go for Slaaneshy Lust Elves Ladies that love to torture and stitch together everyone in their way :3 ( yep… )
Hope to see that army painted and a batrep video from you some day, cheers!
Oh wow thank you so much for your amazing comment!
I am so aware of the Raging Heroes KS! Are they are Salute? I’m hoping to seek them out if so! I’ll have to check out WWX too!
No idea since i live at the other side of the pond :/ but maybe won’t be since they are runing their second KS right now and for the next eleven days they will probably focus exclusively on that ( they are running a short one this time intead of a whole month KS, which is a great idea, imho ).
Great article – really inspiring and uplifting! Both in a general ‘do a hobby and meet nice people’ and in a specific ‘wargaming has lots of cool things about it’ way.
Unfortunately, I don’t much like a lot of the Warmachine aesthetics, and I’m not really interesting in learning rules that require lots of detailed knowledge and combos, as apart from that, I really approve of the way Privateer Press are managing their game. Their focus on tight rules, multiple-faction releases, story lines, female characters, forum support, rules updates, press gangers, etc. The really, really deserve to do well.
If I’d found the game 15 years ago it might have been different. When I was a teenager I had the time and the ability to read thousands of pages of rules, and loved working out all sorts of sneaky combos, but it’s not for me now. (I do like a lot of their infantry figures though, and some of their hordes ranges like the pigs and the crocodiles!)
Regarding your question about other games with female characters you really, really ought to look into Dreampod 9’s Heavy Gear. It used to be primarily a roleplaying game that had a miniatures game to go along with it, but over the years they realised that there was no money in RPGs and shelved it to focus on the wargame (which I’m not so interested in, although it’s also got lots of thoughtful mechanics and big mecha so might be right up your street). Anyway, it’s set about 4000 years into the future and has a fantastically rich setting just full of female characters: presidents, generals, front line soldiers, master assassins, scientists, as well as all sorts of other roles. It was one of the elements that really attracted me to the game. DP9 had another roleplaying game called Tribe 8 which was also really, really cool (no wargame to go with that though) – set in a magic fuelled, tribal, post-apocalyptic Quebec and surrounding parts of North America. Again, loads of great female characters and beautiful artwork.
@angelicdespot I love everything about Privateer Press. They conduct themselves so well, at shows and in the forums. Inclusivity is clearly important to them but isn’t ‘a thing.’ I really appreciate that! There are quite a few players of WMH in our women wargamers FB group!
I have never heard of DP9 – thank you so much! I shall research 😀
Great article, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I really like the way you have set yourself goals getting into this great hobby. I didn’t know that the Bristol Independant Gaming venue existed until reading your article (so thanks for that).
We have dabbled in Warmachine, but as yet have not played enough. We do like the system and i agree with some other points that it’s a better social game than playing 40k. I wish you good luck in your future events.
@chaingun Aw yay are you Bristol based? There’s a healthy WMH community that meet there on a regular basis! There’s a Bristol WMH Facebook group you can join to arrange games!
Thank you so much for your comment!
I love reading about other people’s enthusiasm for their hobby, very inspiring 🙂
agreed!
I LOVE writing about it 😀
Another really good, well written article.
I’ve been playing these games since the 90’s, and I have to be honest, I’ve gone the other way, I used to be all about playing, now I find that I like painting much mire, family means I have shorter time available, its easier to paint a little for an hour that organise a game. I do still love my gaming when I get some time at a weekend though.
Your question about strong female characters is interesting, Infinity has them in most of the factions, and although I have never read the fluff, I do have an (unbuilt as of yet) box from Malifaux, the one with the Victorias in it, that suggests perhaps there is a similar vibe in that game. That is a guess though, one box is all I know about it.
Other than those, I cannot really think of any more, which now I’m noticing it, is a bit sad really. We constantly talk about diversity in the player base, but the games need ot take some responsibility to surely.
Enjoying the series, and it has coincided with me getting back into warmahordes – I played during first edition and have dabbled in second want to give it a real try as main game for a while.
With regard to female characters, aside from Malifeux I am not aware of any game that has a strong set of lead female characters – both of which I think do a good job to avoid the cliches.
Keep up the good stuff and may your dice favour you
Meant to add your series is really fueling my enthusiasm. So thank you.
@dags aww thank you so much 🙂
I will echo everyone else and say great article. I have never played WM/H but I’ve been looking at their new starter army boxes. Very tempting. I like the fluff and look of Malifaux and I’ve bought a few models for it.
Now I need to find a gaming group near me. Thanks for the great article.
Nice to see BIG being put on the map, great place to game. Very nice article to.
Yeah, it’s great to see the Bristol community represented here.
Well, they were my first gaming brethren! Couldn’t have asked for a better community to start in! 🙂
Great read. I think you would love the rpg. My wife plays the rpgs (and other ones happily) but is no wargamer. However that doesn’t stop her appreciation of the minis and my paint jobs. Thus for the rpg we use the Taryn model to represent her character. So obviously the paint job reflects the rpg use rather than the wargame use. And it’s a good fit for a character who is a Bounty Hunter/Aristocrat who has a history of being sent to a Morrowan Nunnery, but because of her upbringing (hunting and some swordsmanship due to practising with her brothers) she faced down a Grimkin that plague the nunnery. Roll on a few more years, and now she is a fully trained witch hunter of the Order of Illumination, operating out of Corvis, and for tough monsters uses her families antique heavy rifle.
So yeah, the rpg can really let you delve into the setting (the last episode of IKRPG I ran revolved around the wedding of one of her character’s brothers, and the politics and spying by Khadoran agents – this all taking place in Llael before the invasion and inbetween parts 1 and 2 of the Witchfire Trilogy).
On a related note, my assessment of the IKRPG Unleashed abridged rulebook http://darkerdaysradio.blogspot.com/2015/03/review-unleash-beast-iron-kingdoms.html
Grate article Dani! I didn’t notice till you mentioned that you are from Bristol, I hope to have a game at duke or excelsior at some point!
I’ve just relocated to Cardiff dude – so Firestorn Games is my local now!
But we popped back for the Tides Of War tourney! I’ll be doing the next one for sure!
I agree that Warmachine has a whole host of positive female role models. Well, perhaps as positive as undead necromancers/tyrannical rulers/Eco-terrorists can be! And a lot of it is entirely without fanfare. There is one Cryxian Warcaster (Skarre) with a slightly sexist ability (you know what it is), but otherwise it’s all good. I play Trollbloods, and most units (especially nowadays) have around a third or so female models. Long may it continue 🙂
@dcam321 Amen! 😀
Great insight of what Warmachine can do to make a great hobby. For me gaming always was a important part. You might get into painting your cool miniatures one day to make them much more yours and special. Wish you – and us – a lot of fun on your further journey, as we will probably read more about it 😉
It is all about Ashlynn for me she brought me into the game and she keeps coming back, I’m like you in a way some good thongs and a slow progress made.me get into the gamr more and more. Helped that I had a character I wanted to ‘play’ sometimes its something simple like that. It helps you focus (pardon the pun)
Wow that’s the last time I use a phone to post it makes me sound stupid (well more stupid)
Best (un?)intentional Typo Ever Award goes to: Thong! ;D
Phones ftw!
Well done! I’m slowly starting to play as my 13yo is obsessed with it. I’m leaning towards Scyrah, if for no other reason that I love the way the minis look! (reminds me of the Fifth Element! Ha!)
Anyway, thanks for your enthusiasm- it’s helped spur me on to give it a more in depth look. 😀
@deltagamegirl22 Aw thanks so much Dawn! 😀 It’s funny, I didn’t fancy Scyrah much until I got crushed by a guy with an utterly beautiful paint scheme – they can be gorgeous! I wish I could post a picture!
Aw that’s AWESOME – what faction does your 13yo play?!
A painted Warmachine army?!
I call shenanigans. SHENANIGANS!
A really good article series 🙂 I hope you will write more? I was led to believe that the more painted a model was the better it would do in game. Except the more painted mine got the quicker they got killed so that only the unpainted ones were left on the table 🙁 I think what keeps me coming back to the game is the constant desire to better myself. I want to be able to win without feeling that I just got lucky and that it was due to having a plan that worked not a big mistake by my opponent 🙂
Nice article… I have some Khador bits and bobs but never really played it. I’m also new to the Bristol area and looking for a club, any recommendations.
@warhammergrimace Yeeeees <3 I got in touch with Bristol Vanguard here: http://www.bristolvanguardforum.co.uk/
Lovely, utterly awesome bunch of dudes who play at The Duke pub (in the centre) or Bristol Independent Gaming (B.I.G) here: http://www.bristolindependentgaming.co.uk/ They are a little out of town but free parking and there's buses that go up there! WMH games happen nearly every weekend to my knowledge, there's a healthy community supplemented by some players from Bath Pigmar too! You'll love it! 😀 Ooh there's also a FB page here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1007781189249115/
Have fun!
Let me know if you want any more Bristol advice 😀
Cheers, it seems B.I.G is closer to me, as I’m in Keynsham. Thanks for the info.. I use to be in Wales, and there is a healthy gaming scene over there. A lot of the clubs have meet ups at each others venues, plus the new Firestorm venue is really nice.
@warhammergrimace Oh the new Firestorm is AMAZING! 😀 Down there every week currently! I am yet to visit the Crow Vally Crusaders too! 😀
I don’t have a specific interest in warmahordes (other than loving the everblight faction minis) but still an enjoyable read.
” Still, you never know when you might have to pin your way out of a sticky situation, so I’m sure they’re valuable, transferable skills…right!?”
My modelling skills may never be called upon in a job interview. But I have had situations where something got broken and I couldn’t afford the forced expense of replacing it. My gaming and modelling experience gave me both the skills and confidence to fix it without worry.
And the realization of self-reliance and self-confidence is always a good thing. 🙂 🙂
Great article, I’m even more tempted by Warmachine and expanding my gaming horizons! Thanks.
Dooooooo it ;D
Another great article, @bintykins . It’s awesome that you’ve got such a great community to support your growth into the hobby. Fort Lauderdale doesn’t have quite that scene (a few wargamers here and there, but mostly MtG card games and that kind of thing). Thus, I’m always relying on the patience of my better half (community member @gladesrunner) to play-test a lot of games with me. 🙂
I found the paragraph on female commanders / background characters especially interesting. I’m usually a historical gamer, in which such commanders are naturally (and sadly) few and far between. The idea of female leaders is a big part of what usually draws me into sci fi, alternate history, futurist, etc. etc . . . because it’s something you just don’t see in WW2, Napoleonics, American Civil War, etc.
There have been a few games that went out of their way to feature females in their backgrounds and playable characters, a little TOO far out of the way if you ask me. For one, FASA’s old “Renegade Legion” sci-fi line had their big evil empire based closely on ancient Rome, which was of course very patriarchal. Women were the property of their fathers and then their husbands, they couldn’t hold office, own property, etc. Well, as a result, this ‘verse had all kinds of exclusively female “rebel” tank, fighter, and starship units that bordered on the pathological “Amazon” schtick. The Black Fury tribe in White Wolf’s “Werewolf: The Apocalpyse” was another example. The ideas might have worked better if they were presented with a little more subtlety. But here is was: “Yes, we get it! We want more women to play our games! Look! Here’s a bad-ass chick driving a grav tank!”
More recent games like Warmachine seem to be handling this a lot better, just including female leaders, commanders, and characters in the background or as playable options, rather than presenting them as a “special class” like some of the other games I mention. No matter how respectfully or powerfully you portray that “special class,” you’re still setting the women apart from the men and making the problem worse, not better.
I guess to answer the question you pose in your article, YES, there are games that have female representation, but not all of them do it “right” the way Warmachine seems to. 😀
@oriskany yes yes YES! All of the yes. This is exactly what I’m talking about. I can’t buy into a world that is 100% one or the other. Was it Sisters of Battle for 40k? Just seems to shoehorn a whole female army in there to quiet the wimmins. I can’t buy into a whole male world just the same as I can’t buy into a whole female world. But a great mix of both? Now I’m buying. As far as I’m aware, PP have never made a big deal if it. I’m not asking for any differential treatment, not in wargaming, not in the real world. I guess I suffer slightly from being aware of the treatment of women throughout history and the very real existence of sexism in the modern world *AND* being a product of that modern world where I have always done exactly what I like and have not felt like I couldn’t. It’s conflicting no matter what spin you put on it. I love this subject though, I love supporting the companies and geekdoms that have a natural mix of both genders because I feel represented in that 🙂
Fantastic article, I love hearing people talk about games they’re passionate about 🙂 I’ll confess Warmachine has always been one of those games I just haven’t been able to quite grasp, I love the fluff, adore the models and know a lot of lovely people who play but I just can’t quite get there with it! Will no doubt be trying again soon regardless!
Aww really? What’s holding you back @nicklaus? The rules? I had to take it so slowly in the beginning, practising one mechanic at a time! I totally recommend it! 🙂
Yeah maybe that’s what I need to do, I think they’re the sort of rules that once you have a grasp for them they flow really easily, it’s just getting the basics memorized! But yes, I shall take your advice 🙂
Oh and also can I just echo your sentiments on female characters in wargames, this I something that bugs me quite a lot! This hobby needs more solid female characters, and I mean actual characters not just eye candy in steel bikinis! More and more companies are finally starting to make progress with this but I agree, Privateer Press are very good at writing good female characters without doing that patronising “she can do all this AND she’s a woman” thing!
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Great article, hope it inspires more female gamers. Also grey to see Bristol Independent Games B.I.G getting a mention know the guys well. Andy plays for Team GB Warhammer and armies foe before his mighty Orcs.
Aw fab! I love BIG, I will be back that way for another WMH tourney for sure! 😀
And if my writing encourages more female gamers then yaaaaay! I’m highly interested in normalising it as much as possible. I felt like I had to wait until I was an adult to be able to indulge my inner geek, for whatever reason, and if I had more exposure to girls in the geekmedia maybe it would have happened sooner! I know there are some great female bloggers/gamers/presenters out there, but it is still heavily skewed in wargaming ^_^
so what is you advice to get my lady to games? she loves Zombies!! I want to get zomiecide so there wil be biggger mix of models and more rules. I’m trying to get her in to malifaux, and warmachine is great game too – maybe I’m explaining it wrong or something? she likes “normal” board games, im a good painter and she likes all thousands of models I have, I also trying go get her in to painting models – till now I only paint them with my 2,5 old daughter. any advice?
Well, my advice would be the same as it would if it was any human – if you’ve tried and they’ve not bit, maybe it’s just not their thing! 😀 I don’t think there’s any one way to ‘get someone into gaming,’ but it would help if they’ve got it in them already! For me, I always wanted to play wargames – I just didn’t have any friends who did or the balls to just do it myself! If she comes to you and says ‘I want to play!’ ask her if she’d like to go games shopping with you, fluff reading etc. She can pick what she likes the look of from there! 😀 For me, my partner knew I had more than a curiosity, and bought me a little army already assembled and primed, in a box with everything I needed: pen, gems, card sleeves, rule book! It was BRILLIANT and removed some of the stress of choosing a system. But it could’ve gone wrong, had I not expressed any tendencies in the first place.
If you like fluff and strong, female protagonists, you really should check out Malifaux. In my local club, half of the people playing Malifaux are women, as opposed by none that play Warmachine.
And given that the focus is less on global warfare in the case of Malifaux, there’s a lot more room for the writers to go into the deranged personalities of the main characters.
An excellent article, well thought out and delivered. More please!
Thanx for your article, you defintly stress out important points (be it positive or negative) very well.
These are exactly the same problems I have and somehow dont let me really go into the game.
The biggest plus is defintly the rules, exactly like you said.
I have all 1.0 rules, even starting with “Prime” and I really enjoyed the much more bulletproof rule-writting of WM 2nd edition….
Every single word-meaning appears checked and rechecked, be it a small ” you can, you must” and so on….
Defintly a great system they created for the background-mechaniks…
The very same is about the fluff, even it has lost some of the initial more positive atitude and gets more and more darker.
But there a weak part of the system is imho visible:
As you said the fluff dont play an important rule when it comes to a game.
And this is something I strongly miss….
The focus on maxed lists is often to strong in my nerd-point of view.
On a tournament its understandable, but in a normal league I would galdly like to see more homogen armies, like for example a rugged, more woodsmen/manhunter etc units for an army of the old Witch.
For Irusk I would see more a typical Winterguard/Ironfangs/ManOWar.
I know, when you stay close to the fluff certain choices of Warcaster wouldnt be possible (like Epic Tagrosh VS Epic Baldur) but it would be nice to see some more spin off leagues where the fluff aspects influences more the game.
Last point why I have problems coming back to WM/Hordes is the fact that the casting quality sometimes annoys the painter in me…thats something PP has to do better in the future…their overall design-department is great ( and has some cool wicked/funny designs), but the casting department sometimes make me wonder why I have used my thight hobby-budget for that….
Thank you so much for this comment @dennycrane: “The focus on maxed lists is often to strong in my nerd-point of view.” I really struggle against the tournament players and their perspective too. I wouldn’t find a large game with tons of terrain and features to be ‘boring,’ like I think tournament players would. They seem to be solidly in the competitive mindset, whereas there are TONS of other ways to play and enjoy Warmachine. Without people your level, and the will to play out scenarios other than assassination, it can be a bit lonely! I guess there’s so many tournaments now that there’s always something they are training for… but I wonder how much of it puts new players off. It certainly irks me when I’m playing a game and the third tournament player pops over and tells me what I should’ve brought…
Like, I know bro. I read the internet too!
We (@dirgepilot and I!) really want to play Unbound! Have you tried/thought about that? 😀
Interesting article. I used to play WM back when it first came out but my group was always more interested in role playing games. Even when I got them interested in playing the Iron Kingdoms RPG (hoping it would be a gateway to the tabletop) it only lasted for a little while before both it and the tabletop kind of petered out.
Your writing has made me want to dig out my old figures and see if I have enough to give it another go. I remember having a good mix of all factions (for use when we played the RPG) and my buying was more based on figs/characters I liked as opposed to any particular faction. I am sure the game has moved on a long way since then though so I would imagine I would need to pick up all new stuff.
I have never really been interested in the tourney scene (only ever attended one, battle brothers at GW), generally preferring to let the game tell a good story on the table as opposed to winning at all costs. though your writing has also made want to give that a go in case I have been dismissing it unfairly.
You have spurred me to find out what the local scene is like and for that I thank you. You never know, I might come home from my flgs this weekend with a brand new starter box 🙂