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  • #1966560
    sundancer
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    ### Start of shameless copy and paste ###

    First time visitor to OTT? Then please introduce yourself in the New Member Thread and look around in the Project System. Then come back and read on…

    https://www.beastsofwar.com/forums/topic/introduce-yourselves-new-member-thread/

    https://www.beastsofwar.com/project/

    Read all of this before you start as it will save you any trouble later.

    First thing you must do is make your “pledge”. It can be anything gaming related, big or small, and you don’t even have to finish it. No, in here, happiness is the road. Have fun doing whatever it is, but it is not a race. Accompany your work with pictures or we might think you are do something sinister and just using us for cover.

    You are also presented with a few questions. It is to get the conversation started. Try and keep your answers ‘conversational’, no text speak, and certainly no “basically”. This is how we all get to know each other better. While you are here feel free to tell us a story, show a picture, joke, tales of love or woe, or just add your own little bit. This is the whole point…in here it is just us.

    If you have never taken part before we may bark and bite, but we also like a cuddle! It is all done in the best possible taste and it is character building. feel free to give as good as you get.

    A few other things to note: NO RELIGION & NO POLITICS! Glasgow pub rules are in effect. If you need to make a better point then it is fine, but don’t take the piss. And always keep it civil. This includes no philosophy, no home computer culture wars.

    Play plenty of music to go with your work. Loud and through proper speakers. Write us a playlist of things we might not have heard before.

    Now, after all of that there is only one ‘real’ rule in here and it cannot be broken: NO DICKS! (Exceptions may be made for little fighting men with little plastic/resin/metal wieners)

    And don’t forget the highlights of the weekend: The Weekender on Friday and XLBS on Sunday. And the little show that is The Hobby Hangout over at twitch.tv

    If you fancy to see some nice WIP pictures go to the WAYPN thread https://www.beastsofwar.com/forums/topic/what-are-you-painting-now-2025-edition/

    ### End of shameless copy and paste ###

    This weeks question is inspired by an honest “I fucked up” video from one of the hobby YouTubers:

    • Nobody is perfect. We all do something really stupid sometimes. How do you deal with that?

    And now back to the show.

    #1966562
    sundancer
    44380xp
    Cult of Games Member

    Pledge: stop building orcs (they are all build now) and paint the stuff that’s on the paintstation

    Answer: When I was younger I just didn’t acknowledge any mistakes, I hid from responsibilities and I tried to hide any evidence. Now I’m still getting very nervous about mistakes I make but I try to stand up to them as best as I can. Did something bad at work? Tell them before they find out. Broke the favourite glass of my daughter? Tell her and try to mend it somehow.

    It’s not easy but it gets easier each time.

    Music!

    #1966566
    pagan8th
    14453xp

    Pledge: Paint or build something… anything.

    I once had a t-shirt that summerised how to deal with fuck ups.

    Good judgment come from experience.
    Experience comes from bad judgement.

    So if I fuck up there is no one else to blame, so I just fix the problem if I can and move on… hopefully a little wiser.

    #1966567
    zoidpinhead
    12846xp
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    Pledge:  Carry on frantically with the Warriors of Athena painting.  I am waiting on some more miniatures before I can start the first scenarios but I can at least get the bees painted this week while I’m getting my party of adventurers together.

    This weeks question is inspired by an honest “I fucked up” video from one of the hobby YouTubers

    Lint to that please.  Context is everything 🙂

    Answer:  Apologies cost nothing and can mean everything so I always start with “sorry”.  Sometimes there isn’t anything that can be done to make it right so learning how to sit with that and still be okay is a lesson for life.  In these situations, like so many other human interactions, listening is more important and valuable than anything else.
    It is also worth remembering that without mistakes there is no creativity.  If we do it perfectly (and therefore identically) every time we never discover any new or interesting ways to do it differently.  Not every mistake needs an apology at the end so perhaps we don’t need to be frightened of making them.

    Go on, say the magic words:

    #1966568
    limburger
    22437xp
    Cult of Games Member

    so basically …

    /me runs

    accept, apologize, fix and move on ?

    That’s the theory at least.

    When I make mistakes in my hobby adventures then it often really drains the energy and mojo for a while.
    The best method so far is to try and find something else to do until I have the energy to either find a work-around or accept the mistake as a feature.

    Sometimes I get lucky and the mistake makes a thing better.
    Like when I masked off the sections on the doors that I was painting.
    It showed that having some kind of highlight/alternate colour between the sections made them look even better.

    Silly me had to try and improve that, which in hindsight was not as good an idea. I’m still trying to figure out a way to solve that.

    #1966575

    Pledge: work on Chonky for the paint contest, and get back to my Orks!

    Owing the problem: I’ve never had a problem with this, honestly. “Lessons learned” include discussing what happened and how not to repeat the error.

    Muzak:

    #1966577
    limburger
    22437xp
    Cult of Games Member

    yay … the wood I had ordered has arrived.
    And it looks like all is exactly as specified, so now I need to worry if I measured correctly  😀

    Also 12 mm MDF is heavy. I’m not quite sure if I have f*cked this up or simply underestimated the weight.
    It definitely is a bit more complicated to move everything in place once I have it assembled, so I will have to adjust my plans a bit.

    Nothing like a reality check, eh guys ?

    I also get a 10 Euro discount if I post 5 pictures of my project … yay.  (which is 5% of the cost of the wood … )
    Definitely will post the construction in my project.

    #1966595
    sundancer
    44380xp
    Cult of Games Member

    Lint to that please. Context is everything 🙂

    Feels a bit like throwing him under the bus but… well it’s online so here you go @zoidpinhead  I recommend watching the video completely.

    #1966596
    limburger
    22437xp
    Cult of Games Member

    isn’t that the same turd in a box that said that everyone who paints Germans for WW 2 is a Nazi ?

    Anyways …

    – ‘AI ethics’ lady didn’t tell him ‘no’ at any point ?
    That means she is either not doing ethics or he never really asked her the meaningful questions related to the project.

    – copyright is no joke and I’m surprised that didn’t trigger this
    I seriously doubt GW would be ok with anyone using their products as a source for anything ‘AI’ related.
    Just because the big boys can do this that doesn’t mean us mere mortals are allowed to do so.

    – you can run ‘AI’ locally. Ollama can do that. It may not be as fast or as efficient, but at least the environmental impact is reduced to a really big and powerful pc.

    – first rule of ‘AI’ tools : always check and verify the answers because it will hallucinate without telling you
    (I’ve run into that one multiple times. )

    – if you’ve spent a few moments doing research on ‘AI’ then you’d know of the rather questionable ethics of the company behind Chat-gpt. And no … that wasn’t ‘recent’ events. The simple fact that they went from ‘open source’ to ‘for profit’ should have been a warning. This was known a year ago already (November 2024 to be precise).

    – No amount of disclaimers will stop people from trusting the results the program gives

    • This reply was modified 2 days ago by limburger.
    #1966597

    I have never used AI and will actively continue to not use it. Watched a minute or two of the video and got bored.

    His servo-skulls look neat-o.

    @limburger isn’t that the same turd in a box that said that everyone who paints Germans for WW 2 is a Nazi ?

    Seems like he drives controversy then for views, like the usual “influencer turds”? A culture I’ll never understand, or want to, frankly.

    Oh well. On to real life stuff, it’s Saturday. Groceries, and cleaning the garage to make room for something.

     

    #1966599
    limburger
    22437xp
    Cult of Games Member

    I’ve used ‘AI’ at work and as a hobby.

    It’s fun to experiment and see what it does.
    For creative things it is like a big encounter table that some rpg’s have.
    You give it a hint and it will generate some nonsense that you can use to build on.

    I would never trust anyone to use the generated output in a semi-professional product.

    It is scarily good at writing code, but it can easily f*ck up and invent things that make you go ‘hmm’.
    It needs constant human super vision to be somewhat functional.

    One thing that I do wonder about is that this must have been what it was like when photography was invented.
    We went from having to pose for days so a skilled artist could paint a portrait to mere minutes.

    Heck … if you spent any time on art forums you will see similar arguments about the use of post-processing for photos.
    As such I have no doubt that ‘AI’ that generates ‘art’ will end up in a similar situation once we get have copyright attribution and training data figured out. The only problem is that companies have cheated their way to the current state.

    They have blatantly stolen more data than even the biggest leech on the peer-2-peer torrent network, but unlike mere mortals they haven’t been sent convicted for theft and sent to prison with a multi-billion fine.

    #1966601
    danlee
    22842xp
    Cult of Games Member

    This week’s pledge is to paint an entry for the painting competition.

     

    • Nobody is perfect. We all do something really stupid sometimes. How do you deal with that? – Apologise, acknowledge I made the mistake, the figure out what needs doing to correct it.
    #1966602
    gorram
    3286xp
    Cult of Games Member

    Pledge – finish putting my desk area back together after decorating last weekend so I can hobby again. Got a shiny new desk, shiny new storage and one day off this weekend 🙁 Tomorrow I’ll be sitting in the corner sorting out just how many variants of blue I own. Maybe even get the model I think I’m doing for the community challenge out the cupboard and washed..

    How do I cope/deal with my f* ups? Hmm, I like to think I’m good at honestly admitting mistakes, genuine apologies and pretty good at learning from the first time I make the mistake.  Won’t be watching the video for context though – I refuse to give that man views for any reason.

    Music a little something from one of our local venues last week

    and from a few years ago even closer to home

    #1966605
    limburger
    22437xp
    Cult of Games Member

    That reminds me when he was the Doctor and he played guitar:

    (such a shame the series went down hill so fast afterwards … 🙁 )

    #1966607

    The last good doctor …

    IMG_1379

     

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