Rise Of Skywalker: What WIll It Bring To Wargames? (Spoilers)
December 20, 2019 by crew
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I wanted to see the first star wars movie after Mark Hamill appeared on Blue Peter. I loved it all but Warren is right it was a kids film it was Space Opera where the Good guys win and have miraculous escapes and adventures,and the bad guys always lose. There really only a better made version of the old Republican serials in the 30’s and 40’s
consider the alternative….If Luke missed destroying the death star in a new hope…there is no other movie and the bad guys win. a franchise of 1 movie…i think not.
anyway….we critize since we love it so much.
finally…the end. I am happy the circle is complete.
https://youtu.be/l3lbWba7xjQ
I found Blue Peter exceedingly tedious when i was a child but i find it an interesting historical artifact now. The interaction with the ‘film stars’ comes across as somehow less deferential and more polite.
Spoilers? Ok, so this one is for next week then… can someone remind me then?
Will do ?who am I who are you what day is it no it’s not time for my magic beans Nooooooo.zzzzzzzzz.
When Vader told luke he was his father it was a real shock.No internet so no trailers on you tube an no spoilers flying about. You only learnt about it when Vader says it on screen while your at the cinema
Star Wars started as Christmas movies in New Zealand as that was when we got them, 6 months after the northern hemisphere. That was back it the day of physical film, which came in canisters on reels, which had to be changed part way through the movie.
I can’t remember whether I had that spoilt has part of read a Starlog or Starburst magazine.
What does it mean for wargaming? Red Stormtroopers that’s what!
Is anyone else have problems as the video is not playing.
It was fine for me earlier
Won’t play for me either, stuck on the Vimeo loading spinner.
I’m having problems too. It is on ‘auto’.
Same here
same not loading up
It looks like the video host is having a problem, hopefully this will be temporary and one of those internet problems that just resolves it’s self with some time.
Sorry your having a problem at the moment guys and gals.
PS the Wookiee WINS! 🙂
@lloyd someone on discord is saying its working on chrome but not safari
Hi again all,
I’ve added another version of the video to the page. If you are having a play back problem try the one in the description.
Second video is working for me, though it’s jumping a bit.
Click the cog and change your playback setting.
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The video is still working for me
working for me on O2 4G
I avoid spoilers so much that often i won’t watch a trailer, or will stop watching a trailer part way through, because i want to go into a film with no preconceptions. I’ve not watched youtube for weeks and weeks because i don’t to be hit with a give away video title for something that everyone else is watching now and i’ll be watching later. I haven’t seen Star Wars IX and i’m happy to watch this. That’s how much i care about Star Wars now. I’m at the level of reading the headlines about the trainwreck if someone holds them up in front of my face.
I’m at 53:50 and i’m thinking ‘Star Destroyer Crawl’.
I’m at 57:00…. If you’re talking that sort of level of re-editing then i think you’re essentially talking about a remake, which, if er… unconcerned about its certification, i’m all up for. I’m available for narrative consultation, AKA, ‘when’s Luke going to appear?’.
yeah definately more of a re edit. as I dont believe any new shots would need to be made.
apparently the entire saga is going to release on 4k at some point.
if that is done properly the opportunity for a fan cut would be pretty incredible 🙂
so yeah more of a directors cut than a remake
I’d be potentially interested in a directors cut, but the character i find most interesting and that i think has been lost in the ‘saga’, as it were, is old Vader. I’d like to see a ‘Vader perspective’ remake.
Don’t forget the best bit princess leia is a Disney princess now.
Nice not seen the film luckily won’t see the film for a week or two so I’ll have forget most of this Lol
I thought the movie was great, but then I did make a conscious effort to leave my adult brain at the door when I went in. In some ways Star Wars can’t win. I’m not sure it’s possible to make a film that is satisfying to a critical moviegoer in the modern age yet still press all the buttons that orig trig did to them 35 years ago. And if you go in with the expectation that it can (which the vocal critics on the internet seemed to) then you’re setting it up to fail. The reaction was always going to be divided for that reason.
My problem with Last Jedi was that it almost shunned the kiddie buttons and tried to make a mature movie. It succeeded to some extent but the result wasn’t really Star Wars. Rise of Skywalker was Star Wars through and through which I really appreciated. It found those buttons and kept hammering on them.
The pacing was a bit odd but I think that’s because they tried to cut a 4 hour movie in half. I would love to see an extended directors cut of this movie alone – like they did with Lord of the Rings. The pacing could be fixed to allows us to spend more time in the locations which would be awesome.
In terms of gaming I thing the core set of this trilogy will be firmly Rey vs Kylo (who else would it be?) but maybe if they bring out the Rey/Kylo operative expansions they could bring in some of that cool force diad stuff.
I mostly just want to get another Palpatine model and rummage in my Mechanicus bits box to make that awesome sinister version from this film!!
Interesting question what does the new film mean for wargaming, or rather for Star Wars wargaming. Honestly very little, certainly nothing good. The absolute train wreck that Disney have made of the new stories is one of the met reasons they’re slowing* down and in so doing the amount of new stuff that merchandisers can bring out that they can tie back to a film is going to drop. I think it remains to be seen whether merchandisers (including FFG) pick up on their Disney+ shows because I am not convinced of their reach. I don’t have any way to watch the Mandalorian at the moment and I don’t intend to subscribe to Disney+ for no reason than it doesn’t offer enough benefit to me based on what it plans to show and considering I already pay for Amazon Prime and Netflix. I know that I am not the only person thinking that. So long term Disney have some work to do to get their cinematic universe back on track. It’s not a dead IP like so may people keep saying but it’s not in great health at the moment. I also don’t think that there statement that they won’t be making any more trilogy films is a good sign from a wargaming perspective, unless all future films are set during either the prequel era or the original era. In order to generate enough new material to support a wargame ideally you would need multiple films. If you try and cram it all into one film it will feel like watching a toy advert rather than a film. On the flip side if they choose to fully utilise what they have in Star Wars they could set films throughout a huge expanse of history, which could be awesome for film goers but if there’s only one film, it’s unlikely to be enough to build a wargame around and we know, in order to really support a wargame it needs to have on going movies or media support to keep it relevant. So I think the new trilogy of films has left some question marks over Star Wars which are potentially amplified by the needs of wargames with respect to licensed IP vs the direction Disney are taking with future releases.
Ignoring the mess that the last three films are in and just looking at them from a purely aesthetic point of view, what can they bring to star wars? Very little that isn’t already there. Because everything is just a variantion on a them, a slightly modified version of something that already existed it doesn’t bring a great deal with it. The TIE fighters and Xwings look almost the same. The storm troopers look almost the same. The resistance troops look almost the same. The Millennium Falcon IS the same. The best it could do is the gorilla AT-ATs and a handful of new characters, beyond that it’s really not broken any new ground. As a film, Rogue One, which is set at exactly the same time as the original film, brought more to the party than the whole of the new trilogy.
*no, it’s not star wars fatigue, MCU was releasing films at a rate that you could almost consider to be spam and nobody got MCU fatigue.
I took somthing different from the ‘trilogy’ statement 🙂
I understood it to mean we are not locking stories into trilogies this opening the more expansive canvas they utilised so well for the MCU where we get multiple intertwining movies that paint a huge picture.
I have two wishes though…
1) So much as I love the past I believe it has to be in an undefined period or some time after the events of ep9. To give it a fresh play space to play within that is free of legacy stories etc
2) They need to appoint a new world guardian who ‘gets’ the universe. Filoni would be an obvious choice. I think the freedom they gave to directors who it seems to me were a little more invested in their reputations than the story arc was a mistake by disney. MCU had strong leadership, star wars had a lot of egos and IMHO suffered as a result.
All is not lost through. The new movie is a bloody entertaining romp through the universe and although I dont know for sure I think the message has sunk in at Lucas film that ‘a jedi weapon needs to be treated with more respect’
I hated the new trilogy from the outset However it hasn’t dimmed my love for star wars. Since 2015 I have spent quite a lot of money on Star Wars Imperial Assault. I can happily separate the film from the setting so I don’t think all is lost by any means, but they need to make some serious changes in the way they approach stories and story telling and if I am being brutally honest find some originality. Just tell me a story I haven’t heard before!
I don’t really want to get into why the Star Wars films have turned out so badly – they did, it happened but (thus far at least) I haven’t been forced to watch them against my will so no problem. I don’t mind that other people like them, I don’t they do and that’s OK. My main points really are about what the films and general direction Disney are taking (for better or worse) might mean to the world of gaming.
– The new films don’t really bring any new ideas with them, aesthetically they’re almost identical to the orig trig.
– The direction they choose to take will affect how viable future films are as far from a wargaming perspective. I don’t necessarily think Disney+ is going to help that, we shall see how popular it turns out to be.
Star Wars Fatigue is the biggest Lie in our Industry. People adore the Mandalorian because it is quality they don’t like the other stuff because it is not quality. Disney cannot admit to making monumental mistakes which is why they blame the fans. Who could be fatigued by watching a single movie a year?
I totally agree.
A single bad movie can cause so much dissappointment and fatigue that you need one heck of a movie to convince people to trust the franchise (again).
I really had my doubts after ‘last jedi’ (and ‘solo’), and this one sort of restored that a bit.
Although IMHO a trilogy of ‘Rogue One’-like quality would be needed to restore it to previous levels.
I really, really, enjoyed the film, this is perhaps my favourite of the last trilogy. Both Kylo Ren and Rey were at their best as characters, and I also think the actors did a splendid job. And some of the best visual eye candy we’ve seen in star wars movies: the crashed Deathstar, the Sith temple and the scene where Lando and Chewie arrive with the massive fleet in the end. Most importantly, it was a worthy ending to the Skywalker saga.
Thanks Warren, Gerry and Ryan for the video. It was really good to hear proper Star Wars fans to discuss it as I’ve so far only heard other people say negative things about the film. It seems that some people rush to see the latest Star Wars films as soon as possible in order to be the first to slag them off online, because apparently slagging off Star Wars makes you cool. Even worse, there are the disgusting racists that are again at it complaining about diversity in the movie. The words of the wise Wookie apply again: people are the worst.
There is a good section of the battle front campaign section of the video game set on the deck of a star destroyer. You crash land on the surface and battle your way over it to an entrance
For me, the sequel trilogy was trying to be too over the top. Hey here’s a huge star destroyer fleet all with planet killer weapons. Rey suddenly has some much super power it makes the story pointless. The RoS was ok in terms of ending the trilogy, but the trilogy didn’t make sense or fit into the rest of the saga in the first place.
The movie wasn’t that inventive, the story would be ok, if we hadn’t seen it before. Falcon flying in a blowing up Starkiller base, the emperor saying `strike me down’, Finn turning the gun around (as Leia did on the Sail barge) etc etc
But I did enjoy it, and smiled through several nod to the fans moments
It’s really hard watching Gerry trying to justify this garbage of a trilogy and ‘slightly better than TLJ’ Episode 9 with “well it’s a SpaCe oPeRa”. Cheap cop out argument, in fact the cheapest I’ve ever seen.
Hes not wrong though 😉
Disney nor Gerr have to justify anything to us Man Children 🙂
Gerry doesn’t, Disney have to. I will happily give you that the limits and limitations are vague and malleable, especially since Disney killed the EU. There’s a point though at which “Star Wars” becomes “Random Space Movie”. There are some boundaries set by the older movies.
That’s not true at all. So the movie would have been just as good if it was three hours of this? It’s got cool graphics it’s got a far better story than the latest movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XWomD6TazQ
The Movies have to be consistent because they aren’t sold as pump and dump one off movies they’re sold as a series and the entire point of a series is that you can create a world, build the rules and go nuts within them. Imagine trying to do the Original Trilogy in a 3 hour movie, how much world building would you lose simply because it’s not necessary.
If they want to sell Lore Books then they’re admitting that there is a Lore and that there are rules and by just throwing them away they’re basically just telling you to ignore any and all world building or Universal Rules that they try to show you.
There is a word used in writing – verisimilitude – which I think @warzan was searching for for the first part of this vid.
From Wikipedia ‘is the “lifelikeness” or believability of a work of fiction. The word comes from Latin: verum meaning truth and similis meaning similar.’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude_(fiction)
I agree completely – the only thing harder to watch than this trilogy is the legendary Gerry defending it! LOL
People may find this interesting
https://youtu.be/oBqZHsEieyM
I just watched this. I agree with one thing he said – that you have to ignore the plot to enjoy this (so does this turn this film into a video game?).
Also the reviewer said that the more he saw the Last Jedi , the more he liked it. I have to admit I saw it only twice and I can’t get myself to see it again.
If you have to ignore the plot it’s a bad film. I don’t think it’s even a video game, they also have quite good plot or at least good ones do.
I don’t play video games, so thank you for clarifying that. To tell you the truth, it kind of makes me sad that even video games have a good plot and the end of a beloved saga struggles to deliver one.
Well, much like films some video games have good plot some have bad plot. I view video games as an interactive story, I don’t play games that are purely action based because I am crap at video games
Of the three new films, I believe this was the worse. Not only does it completely undermine the first six, but cinematically it is terrible. I am not referring to the effects or cinematography, but its beating heart – the story!
The film is obsessed with retconning the Last Jedi – which is a another canon-destroying Star Wars movie. Also, the exposition is like downloading from piratebay.
I could go on for ten pages with the problems with this film, and a week with the trilogy as a whole. But one thing I hate the most is the direction Disney took the Force and the Jedi – with these ridiculous god-like powers and Space Jesus Mary Sue!
Personally, I was dismayed from the Farce Awakens. After that film I knew it would be downhill.
I have literally given up on Disney Star Wars. I saw the first movie in the cinema when I was 5 years old and have been a fan ever since. Now all I can say is that I have the first six movies and the Clone Wars animated series. This will have to do.
I am tired of seeing the canon destroyed and turned upside-down. I am tired of seeing characters I love be dragged through the dirt and humiliated. Above all, I am tired of all this forced diversity and political agenda and SJW garbage shoved down my throat in the name of relevance! Typical of Disney productions.
Star Wars was never meant to be relevant – it was meant to be timeless. Relevance becomes irrelevant over time. Timelessness is what the original 3 are!
I simply have to admit that this Star Wars was never meant for me and those like me. My time has passed, but thank God I am left with what made Star Wars great.
I have started wargaming the Clone Wars period, and I will continue to do so, knowing that this period is defined militarily by the animated series. Therefore it is contained like historical gaming. For example, you will never get a hoplite with poison-tipped repeating crossbows in a historical context.
To those who like the new trilogy (God knows I don’t understand why), may you find enjoyment in it as I found with the originals. I say this with honesty.
Best regards for the holidays,
NR
The undermining began in TFA. I don’t even view the new films as the conclusion of the Skywalker saga. At best it’s an addendum. It feels contrived, like the story has been artificially extended. Return of the Jedi was the conclusion of the Skywalker saga. The Orig Trig told the story of Luke Skywalker, combine them with the prequels and they tell the story of the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker. Whichever way you view it, the story concludes at the end of Return of the Jedi:
– Anakin Skywalker is redeemed by sacrificing himself to kill the Emperor and save his son
– Luke becomes a Jedi and assists his father with the above
– Emperor Palpatine is defeated and killed
– Han Solo is redeemed, going from selfish villain to selfless hero
– Han and Leia fall in love and everyone lives happily ever after (presumably re-founding both the Republic and Jedi Order)
To begin with that is not a story begging for a sequel. But by writing a sequel in the way they did they created a series of gotcha moments that actually undermine almost everything that was achieved by the end of Return of the Jedi.
– Anakin is redeemed by sacrificing himself to save his son. Gotcha! His efforts were completely in vain as the Emperor survived.
– Emperor Palpatine is defeated and killed. Gotcha! Actually he survived and went on to secretly reform his Empire as the First Order.
– Han Solo is redeemed, going from selfish villain to selfless hero. Gotcha! Actually he reverts to type and returns to his life of crime
– Han and Leia fall in love and everyonelives happily ever afte. Gotcha! Ham and Leia separate after their only son goes off the rails and turns to evil! Luke fails to reform the Jedi order and just gives up after almost murdering his own nephew! The Emperor survives, undermining Anakin’s ultimate sacrifice, the achievements of the rebellion and also apparently defeating the nascent post Imperial republic
I liken the sequel to trilogy to writing a sequel to Cinderella in which their first born child dies of cancer, they get divorced and their kingdom is successfully invaded and conquered by a foreign power. It’s totally contrived and deliberately undermines the original story for the sole purpose of writing a sequel.
I think a sequel to the original trilogy could have been made …
It just wasn’t the one we got.
The one theme that was begging to be explored would be the rebuilding of civilization after the end of the death of the emperor.
Although … that’s probably exactly what the expanded universe already did.
However … such a story arc would only work if the target audience is (cynical) adults.
Same more or less applies to the prequels.
The core outline (Annakin becoming Darth Vader) is a great idea.
It just isn’t fit for an audience that consists of children.
I’d be tempted to argue that turning such a dark story into space opera for kids is why we got Jar Jar.
I do hope that the Mandalorian gives Disney a reason to try and create star wars content for both adults and kids.
If you have to hand wave huge logical elements of a story, it’s no longer immersive, enjoyable or entertaining. The brain has a way of picking out these things sub-consciously. I can finally say that I outgrew Star Wars 15 years ago. Had a friend in High School who still was a ‘fan’atic and I could enjoy his fandom vicariously.
There’s room in Star Wars to tell a mature story about ambition, power, darkness and internal conflict.
But, hey… let’s just make tripe I guess because it sells toys. If children can still enjoy the films I guess it has succeeded?
I don’t think it’s selling toys quite as well as Disney would like.
I am shocked that Warzan didn’t mention that he called the cavalry charge on a space ship scene months ago before the Wookie Cookie Wars debacle. It’s all I could think about when that happened.
I only just saw the movie earlier today with my daughter, I’m just going to say that I really enjoyed this last movie of the most recent three. Much more so than episodes 7 and 8. I like that loose ends were tied up, that some stuff was explained and that the Skywalker family story had a conclusion. Also… Palpatine had a family?!?
For Gaming, what I see most evident is a Sith splinter faction for SWL (and potentially the other games). Sith as a faction that can be played either as part of the First Order, or as a stand-alone force.
The butchery on the red planet was most likely a Sith enclave – the scroll text at the beginning sets up that Ren is hunting Palpatine to eliminate him as a threat to the First Order.
Also, after actually having seen it, cavalry charge on Space Horses was cool 😀
While only briefly seen at the beginning, what about that little icy asteroid base that they get the leak from?
A Star Destroyer table could also be an Interior table, with plenty of corridors and rooms. It would mean no high speed vehicles, but with a good scenario and plenty of troops on the table it could be interesting.
The movie was hot garbage plain and simple.
Just the Set in Stone, unchangeable rules of the universe itself being broken every two fucking seconds alone took me way out of the movie.
The whole point of the Death Star was that it could destroy planets and now they have an entire fleet of Death Stars out of literally nowhere?
How did they build them? How did they recruit that army? How did they train that army? How did they get those materials?
The whole “All of us Sith will merge into you and become One” is literally the direct opposite of what the Sith are. The Sith are selfish that’s the whole point of the Rule of Two they kept destroying themselves with Civil Wars.
If Palpatine is that powerful that he can literally drop thousands of ships out of the air (and then only the allied ships not his own or even his fighters) why can’t he beat this basically untrained woman?
There was literally zero emotional pay off. Poe leaves that woman who scraped and saved while risking her own life on that planet and she gets killed would have been great but oh no it’s ok here she is back and fine. Or C3PO this character we’ve known for decades, this character who is so innocent and so lovable essentially died but it’s ok here he is back and as if nothing changed. Or Ren where of course he climbs out and of course he heals her and of course they kiss and of course he then dies which is literally your stock standard 1970’s end of movie scene. Rey dying would have been perfect, both Ren and her would have been dead and they would have both been redeemed and given their lives for what they believed in.
How about Hyperspace being instantaneous all of a sudden? That whole movie supposedly only took place over 16 hours yet they went to half a dozen planets and even went to some twice it’s ridiculous. That reminds me of another crippling disappointment that was the last two Seasons of Game of Thrones where they had characters teleporting not just for convenience but breaking the story like Danny getting North so fast to save the group trapped by the dead.
that’s just some of my issues
Oh just thought of another one. Imagine watching Attack of the Clones but there is literally no mention of Kamino, Clones or where this mega army came from, imagine it just appeared from nowhere and you’ll see my issue with this movie.
I agree with every single word you wrote, but it is useless at this point. If you start nitpicking this film, you’ll go mad.
What I want to expand on is your point of a ‘set in stone’ system. Every world has rules. It doesn’t matter whether there is magic in them or not. The point is once you set up a world with its rules you have to limit your story within those parameters in order for the story to be credible.
If you are writing a noir detective story set in a world like ours, then you cannot have police shooting lasers out of their eyes when their backs are against the wall. This is called ex machina. You need to come up with something credible that is set up beforehand in order to make it believable.
This film is full of ex machina moments with the force and all the mac guffins in the plot. For example – If you are going to introduce ‘force healing’, then you need to set it up IN THE MOVIE! – this is very very important.
Also, as you rightly pointed out, why all this ‘over the top’ nonsense? Why does everything JJ Abrams does need to be bigger, more powerful and more exaggerated.
What about story pacing? This movie goes into 5th gear at the beginning and doesn’t slow down – ever! The good thing about this is that you don’t have enough time to think about how bad the story writing is.
What about character arcs? The only one that had an arc was Keylo Ren. Rey began as a Mary Sue and ended as a super sayan/last air bender Mary Sue. How does any young girl relate to that?
Can I mention the lack of gravitas – every time someone dies they come back – with a few exceptions. Where are the stakes, where is the peril or danger?
I just don’t know what new Star Wars fans want? Star Wars was always supposed to be about good, engaging and original stories. The Skywalker Saga was about the hero’s journey. Give us more original stories, not this mess.
The prequels, for all their bad writing and plastic acting at least had a road map and vision. The movies knew where they were going. The Clone Wars series redeemed the prequels with their universe expanding and character detailing. The sequels have no idea!
Take heart @elessar2590, it seems that Disney is slowly learning as seen by the Mandolorian. Unfortunately, I am no longer interested in Disney’s stuff.
I agree with everything you say. The worldbuilding in this trilogy is less than zero. Nothing was explained, and things that had been fact, were just ignored and changed to make the new story work.
Very succinctly put innes! I agree.
@warzan if you want realist Space Warfare hit up @oriskany about ‘Darkstar’ which is hands down the best depiction of realistic Space Warfare.
If you think the Sith in this were evil go back and look at “Knight of the Old Republic” where Sith consumed entire planets just to feed, where Sith slaughtered one another at the drop of a hat. Definitely check out Emperor Vitiate who literally killed an entire planet down to the Force itself in a scam ritual to give himself eternal life.
Appreciate the kind words, @elessar2590 . We gotta get you back on the Darkstar table, the British need help in the Third Hercules War! 😀
My biggest problem, from a wargaming point of view, is that the First Order has a whole bunch of “toys” – vehicles, troop types – that could end up on the tabletop.
I don’t see as much being available for the Resistance. There are a heap of characters, but all the ground attacks have been small landing assaults.
I don’t like that TIE fighters have been given hyperspace capabilities … They were only ever supposed to be short range fighters, operating from a base or some form of carrier.
The whole point was that they were worse than the heroes but there were more of them. Now they have shields and Hyperspace and still huge numbers yet still struggle which just takes me out of it.
If nobody minds me asking, as someone who hasn’t seen it (and probably won’t unless I can watch it legally for no money) exactly do they explain the Holdo Manoeuvre? For me, this was the biggest sin in episode VIII simply because it has ramifications into the gaming world. I am totally OK with spoilers as I have zero investment in this film
One character say it was a one in a million shot when another character asks if they can use the tactic again.
What that exactly means is up for discussion.
Does the attacking craft have to hit the defending crafting at exactly the same time as the former jumps to hyperspace? We aren’t sure, although I’ve only seen it once and may have missed something.
There are other tactics introduced in this film that you not also like, for similar reasons.
How the fuck is that an explanation? It’s a complement, it’s not an explanation. It’s what Han said when Luke blew the Death star, it didn’t explain how he had done, only exclaimed how good the act was.
Well that is the last question of yours I’m answering.
I wasn’t criticising you, I was criticising the alleged explanation. Sorry if it appeared as if I was shooting the messenger.
What it means is, Disney don’t have any explanation and would very much like it if we all forgot that it ever happened
A lot of things are explained with one liners. Exposition dumping has been elevated to an art form in this movie.
That’s not explaining so much as brushing it under the carpet.
LOL – True.
Morning! The Tie fighters that came out of the fancy new planet killing Star Destroyers had odd triangular “wings”, and I think I saw some new resistance fighters? Enjoyed the film but disappointed we didn’t get an über space battle and what was with the whole “never underestimate a droid” bit? Sure the little wheelie cone face dude helped a bit and BB shot some coloured dye in the air but that’s it? Where was R2? That little droid pretty much saved the day in the originals… at the end I half expected R2’s head to hinge open and Yoda pop out!
Anyway, yeah, Merry Christmas if you like that sort of thing…or Merry Kiss-ma-ass if you don’t!
Rey carrying Luke… happened!
Over all it was a nice movie but a bit too cringe at some spots.
Also “Rey killing Chewie” was way to obvious in my book because you saw two transporters when Chewbacca was captured. At least I did and thought to myself “he’s on the other transport.”
And I was right 😉
I’ve watched it today and really enjoyed it. The only moment that made me wonder ‘how did that happen’ was the number of resistance ships that appeared at the end. Other than that, it was great. I’m happy to remain a star wars fan.
I was even rewatching the force awakens trailer this week, just because it’s so exciting.
Having just gotten started with star wars legion, i wonder what new rebel troopers could feature in a new core box set. There’s lots of new characters from the third trilogy, and the first order to face off against, but how will rebel troops differentiate from those seen in orig trig box?
Taking the idea of Kylo Ren and Rey being able to influence each other regardless of distance one step further, I think there’s scope for doing something else really cool – and with an inherant balancing mechanism.
They’re not just astrally projecting; they are able to physically interact with each other’s ‘space’. So we could see these characters being a liability as well as a powerful weapon. Ren could not just reach out and hurt Rey from the other side of the battlefield, but reach out and destroy any of Rey’s friends in her vicinity. Or, perhaps they could steal objectives off the other force if they are within a certain distance of their counterpart?
They could have some really powerful abilities, but they would both serve as a conduit through which the other could attack their own companions / impact the world around them.