40K Charted: The Emperor Part One – Origins
December 7, 2015 by warzan
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Excellent video guys! I’m hoping we get a massive injection of new fluff when Horus Heresy: Master of Mankind comes out.
The Emperor’s story sounds familiar….
“…And so the Emperor finds himself wondering the Earth, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home…”
Good video guys, really enjoying these 40k charted videos, especially as the launch of them has coincided perfectly with a resurgence in 40k gaming in my club. I do have one question though, Is AJ’s shirt a 3D magic eye picture?
It’s the chaos corruption bleeding through.
So!? Was the Emperor of mankind born on the same planet on which you can find the Old World of Warhammer Fantasy?
Sigmar = Emperor / Emperor = Sigmar 😉
Exactly. I’m surprised the guys didn’t mention it because that’s the version I thought was the most popular… Maybe I don’t know as much as I thought about this intricate universe…
Can you guys expand on this?
In the Fantasy fluff, Sigmar was the first emperor, he united the savage tribes of men and, with the dwarves, fought the orcs and some chaos invasion. When he died, he was elevated to god-hood. Karl Franz is said to be a reincarnation of Sigmar himself and he wields Ghal Maraz (a dwarf made hammer of great power) into battle.
If he reincarnated once, maybe he did so multiple times to help humanity when it most needed it. Until the technolgy and his mastery of the warp allowed him to create the primarchs and launch his space crusade… That would mean Terra and the Old World are one and only planet.
According to what AJ said about the time of the Emporer’s birth, it would even fit the Imperial calendar of Warhammer Fantasy (better than ours, in fact).
Well considering the old world has now been destroyed… Its just a fan theory anyway. Besides a grey knight was recently hinted at in the old world before it got destroyed, and grey knights didn’t turn up till after the emperor ended up on the golden throne.
Good point
I like to think he was born from an egg on a mountain top, and in episode two @aj86 gives me all the evidence I need to confirm that. 😉
Dont forget the skaven prank calling the eldar either, or the lizardmen trying to contact the old ones, wasa bit fluff in the crimbo issue of WD last year which basically said that…
Plus with the whole realmgate thing in AoS and endtimes fluff basically going its a multiverse, my take is that god hood = extra dimensional being, and you reside in the warp i.e. the space between dimensions. Seeing as the Empmar/Sigperor had the idea of space marines only makes sense he refines the idea into sigmarines i.e. no primarch to corrupt, recruit from ferverant anti chaos bods instead of corruptable human stock etc. would love a cross over event set in the webway where sigmarines break forth and fight chaos in what is essentially a magical environment in the 40k universe
However that was in the Nurgle’s garden, therefore the warp. In the Warp time has no meaning, so the Grey Knight they met in the End Times could’ve come from any time or place.
fantastic show, for me person that quit WH40k bercause of GW policy its great to have pick back to that fantastic world! to rmind me how much I love fluff of that game.
I’m looking forward to the next episode already!
Great show as ever. I could listen to your chatter all day chaps 😎
Radio Warzan …
Interesting points guys. The trouble with the old world timeline match up with that of the Emperors timeline is the birth of Slaanesh and the disappearance of the old ones. Although as we have discussed, timelines are based on the idea of a linear passage of time.
Age of sigmar has kind of thrown a spanner in the works with the idea of the two worlds being one.
The other alternative is that the timeline of warhammer is actually after that of 40k, or indeed a world within the same universe, but sealed off from the imperium by warp storms.
I must find my old 40k stuff – but I thought the Emperor created himself in Anatolia (8,000 BC) because human civilizations were starting to concentrate and urbanize – creating blips of ‘people thought’ in the warp. I think that’s when written/urban History began ??
my old archaeology books from the 90s used to put 40,000 years ago as the date for ‘behaviorally modern humans’ so I guess we are half way between creation and extinction! 🙂
I think I read the Emperor ‘deal-marker’ origin story in the Horus Heresy books? – but I thought it was just a Chaos explanation to trick people?
Correct.
@aj86 if the warhammer and 40k universe’s coexist in a multiverse, there is no reason why the time has to run linearly, much the same as time runs differently in the warp to real space. The birth of slaanesh creates the eye of terror in the 40k universe, but would cause ripples in the warp, which would propagate at different rates through to other universe’s/realms, think throwing a pebble into a pond and watching the ripples disperse around obstructions…
It would explain why perhaps slaanesh is the most 40k of the chaotic entities and always felt a bit out of place in the warhammer fluff, although able to exert influence in warhammer/AoS universes its home is the 40k universe.
A pet emperor theory of mine is that he was killed outright on the battle barge but possessed by slaanesh, hence the 1000 soul a day breakfast, which could well have fuelled its expansion into the warhammer universes, until the elves managed to pull the trick the harlequins elude to be working up to and imprison slaanesh/neuter its sphere of influence in a given universe, which would make sense if its exerting it self to inhabit a universe it doesnt naturally belong too….
This was the most informative episode so far for me. I actually knew nothing of the Emperor’s origins.
Have you guys ever considered writing up a source list for each show? Or even a ‘Recommended Reading’? Or would that just wreck poor AJ’s head trying to remember where he read everything? 😀
Lol. I can sure try and add some recommended reading for each video!
In general however, if you are new to 40k fluff I would highly recommend:
The Horus Heresy Series (Starting with the 1st four books- Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, The Flight of the Eisenstein).
The rule book and codex’s provide great overviews of the fluff of each race.
Some of my favourite Black library titles however include:
Astra Militarum- Guants Ghosts
Inquisition- Eisenhorne/Ravenor
Space Wolves- The Space Wolf Omnibus
As a space marine reference guide, I really enjoyed the Insignium Astartes book!
Gaunt’s Ghosts is an awesome series. Dan Abnett is a great author. He gave us some of the best 40k novels (Titanicus, anyone)!
Was always a fan of the original gaunts ghosts shorts that used to be in inferno, really should give the novels a bash…
I’m actually a huge collector when it comes to the Black Library (300+ novels and counting!) but I missed out on quite a lot of the dedicated background books. I’d love to buy them up but the prices on ebay are a killer.
if you don’t mind second hand put the books your after on your Amazon wish list and just keep checking sometimes you can get some at a steal. @irredeemable
Is the Inquisitor trilogy by Ian Watson still legit? coz that had some weird stuff about the Star Child Emperor and mind control…
I was reading a website about the Emperor and they were suggesting two options based on the old lore and the new Horus Heresy descriptions:
(a) The Emperor used a ‘psykic block’ to appear human sized throughout history
(b) He boosted his genes to ‘hulk up’ for the re-unification of Terra 🙂
That version was actually mentioned in the 3rd edition rulebook, the whole thing was a lie made up by a tzentchian cult… So kinda happened, but kinda didn’t lol
According to the old Slaves to Darkness and Realms of Chaos the Emperor came about differently to how it is put across here. Story is in Anatolia, 8000BC. The shamans of earth numbered in their hundreds, they were immortal, every time they died they reincarnated through the warp, which at the time was a placid place and basically the natural aether. As mankind became more prominent the warp started to become turbulent (at this point Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle hadn’t really risen to more than a ripple in the warp, they developed later as civilisation led to war, politics, and disease), to the point that the shamans were finding that less and less were being reincarnated and just becoming lost souls in the aether (swallowed up by the blossoming embryos of cosmic power that are to become the gods), so they gathered together to try and figure out a way to get through it.
They decided after hundreds of years of debate that they would commit mass suicide, therefore forcing all of their souls into a single entity, that entity is the Emperor of Mankind as we know him. That is the fluff roughly from those books.
As for the timing of Slaanesh, again, slightly out. It’s been in fluff that the Emperor knew slaanesh was coming and planned appropriately. Manking had spread through the galaxy in millennia past and during the Age of Strife I believe (it was one of the ages) the warp became turbulent and stopped communications between the systems, limiting the humans to intrasystem empires etc. The Emperors plan was to reunite humanity, and one of these plans was that of the primarchs, they would lead armies out from Terra to reclaim the galaxy and birth the Imperium.
So the Emperor foresaw the birth of slaanesh and the fall of the eldar and put into place the plans to unite earth under him, creating the thunderwarriors, protospacemarines. Stronger, faster, smarter than marines but genetically unstable and short lived, dying of organ failure and cancers etc. After conquering earth he set about the primarch project whilst simultaneously making improved relations with Mars, giving them pride of place beside him in return for tech and ships. He began the space marine project to have armies ready for the primarchs, who through a freak accident (some fluff suggests weak chaos gods only being able to disperse them through space and not destroy them, angry at the fact the emperor had stolen the arcane knowledge needed to create them from the gods) were flung through space.
The emperor creates the legions and waits with armies champing at the bit. Cue Slaanesh…..Booom, the psychic shockwave wipes away the turmoil in the warp that was impenetrable to space travel leaving the route for reconquest open. Out shot the expedition fleets, lead by the emperor, reclaiming human colonies into the Imperial fold, either by force, peace, or destroying them outright if they were uncooperative. the difficulty in the warp was the turmoil caused by slaanesh awaiting birth, the birth actually cleared it.
That puts an interesting spin on the eldar, as it means their vast galactic empire only died the moment the emperor left on his reconquest.
As for what he did in his time, yup, he had babies, the star child thing is accurate, they were called the Sensei. They were immortal beings, in the early fluff they had the ability to project essentially Antiwarp beams that would cleanse warp taint in whatever it touched, later this seems to have been retconned to the fact they are all pariahs and lacked any kind of presence in the warp. The old background actually states 8000 B.C, so it is fair to assume that it is in our timeline, backed up by the fact that is stated he was wandering for millenia, always the power behind the throne, guiding humanity to where he needed it to be, I believe it even mentions he was a force behind the Roman Empire and the (given that it was written by brits, a bit self aggrandising) British Empire. I believe those two were mentioned in actual fluff by name.
Apologies for the wall of text, 40k background was my first passion, I loved the stories more than the game! 🙂
I’ll really have to give Slaves to Darkness and The Lost and the Damned another read… It’s been a while!
Oh and @warzan, try and read the short story, The Last Church. It is a fantastic book about the emperor and his reasons behind the enlightenment of rational thought he is pushing, well worth the read!
I really liked ‘The Last Church’. Gave a very different spin on the impact of the Imperial Truth.
I am glad somebody wrote that before I did.
To add the difference between Emperor and the chaos gods is the fact they are a disturbance in the warp while he is one with the flow making him impossible to detect and in harmony with the spirits realm, in contrast with the chaos gods.
that’s it! – that’s what I was trying to remember – thanks!
So the emperor was rory the roman 😉
awesome video! I never thought something could draw me back to the 40k universe…but you guys did it I’m amazed!
as far as I remember, I could be wrong, wasn’t humankind enslaved by machines because they got away from religion became to much involved with technology and science what ‘dehumanised’ mankind and that brought the enslavement? thats also the reason why in the 41st millennium there are no technological advancements anymore only discoveries of ancient tech thats been created before and forgotten. also isn’t the main purpose of the mechanicus to make such discoveries and make sure mankind dosent fall again under the same spell of technology as before and respect machines and technology as an entity of its own. which leads to the ‘worshiping’ of bolters and such? also isn’t technology the great strength of mankind in 40k? the elder have their dream weavers, avatars, soulstones etc., the nids have the bio mass, bio stuff, orcs the crazy and senseless, chaos has the warp, and so on?
but back to the emperor, I always thought because mankind got to much involved with technology and in the end enslaved by technology the emperor than revealed himself to put an end to it and ‘break the chains’? also before the enslavement mankind spread through out the galaxy and created a huge empire similar to the one we call the ‘Imperium’ but than broke into pieces because of the enslavement and all these mechanical entities (gods) which created empires of their own. and separated through the warp storms created by slaneesh’s birth all these different mechanical empires thrived on their own? so than the emperor on terra revealed himself started to unite terra went to mars destroyed a huge and powerful machine on mars (which lead to the creation of the mechanicus of mars) and started to free all these different systems which his ever growing army supported by all these weird and wonderful machines and technologies he found on the way. than realising the task at hand is a bit to huge for him alone to master so he created the primachs after his own ‘blueprint’ and sent baby primachs in these famous capsules through out the galaxy so that they would land on different planets. and the primarchs would than go through similar trials as he did on terra and free these planets and neighbouring systems. he than would start the great crusade and reunite with his offspring to create in the end the great Imperium of mankind.
and exactly this plan was his big mistake which would lead to the downfall in the end. because these capsules would have been sent through the warp and thats the point where the chaos gods start to act, they couldn’t touch the emperor and they couldn’t touch the primachs once they are ‘fully grown’ but as long as they are babies they have been weak and so some of them got corrupted on their journey. the gods planted seeds in some of them which would lead to the downfall of some of them like horus like fulgrim, etc.
i could remember it wrong or maybe in my own mind i start to build the story like that or they changed it in the last 10 12 years. but thats exactly what warren said its so great about this story it has it holes its never been told as whole! brilliant! please continue!….damn now I have to watch the chaos god videos as well! 😀
a little addon: technology and science brought mankind away from religion but in the end became their religion, thats why they have tech priests…if that makes sense!
There was indeed a war with Iron Men. Before the age of strife mankind got to the point that it could create technological wonders such as AI machines, there were called Iron Men. Basically humans believed they reached the pinnacle and relied on Iron Men to carry out all the work and care for their needs. The Iron Men eventually rose up and went to war with mankind and billions of lives were lost until they were destroyed. That apparently destroyed the galactic economy and broke down the pseudo-imperium into tiny systems rather than a galactic community.
This is why in 40k the Mechanicum of Mars deem it heresy to make AI. I’ve never heard it have any mention of religions though, but it definitely happened long before the emperor came to power, but obviously after his birth.
The emperor did indeed go to mars on his capital ship/space station created through arcane technology, when the mechanicum saw him they were convinced the emperor was the not only a god, but their god the Omnissiah due to his understanding of tech and ability to “heal” machines with a thought.
The Emperor didn’t disperse the primarchs, the chaos gods did. The emperors labs were covered in ruins designed to ward off the gods, but they managed to break through but were too weak to damage them, so they spread them into the far reaches of the galaxy, some they attempted to corrupt, specifically Sanguinius, by giving him wings, it was in a bit of fluff somewhere that they meant to deform him and give him bat wings but he came out looking like an angel, as a show of his purity or some such, not even chaos gods could corrupt him, and it shows later with Horus saying Sanguinius should have been made Warmaster.
But there are so many bits of fluff I have undoubtedly missed!
wasan’t that Horus when he was in his coma on davin? that got chaos through the wards?
That was what I got from it but Dan Abnett (or the author, I think it was Abnett) said that was pure dream sequence, it wasn’t Horus, it was the gods.
Aj and Warren, good start to the Emperor lads,
may the force be with you and continue,
and nice add’ons from the comments listed above, did like the one asking for reading material.
i know Aj that would be pushing it abit…
so after listening to the first information coming out about the Emperor,
will we get the End of Times in 40k
as the Emperor is possibly the retuned God of Death…
AJ has to be the jolliest guy in the grim dark future of Warhammer 40k.
Really enjoying the show a lot.
Loving this series so far, always been a fan of the 40k background, and I’m learning something new every episode.
Yeah, there was a timeline in the old Rogue Trader 40k book. Inside cover on a blue page?
It was all heavily influenced by 1980s Dune with navigators, religious leaders, space emperors and anti-A.I. themes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7FcJwg6OkA
Nothing 1980’s about it all, is just the dune universe, without the turning into a sandworm bit. The butlerian jihad prequel trillogy deals with the anti ai stuff, its appallingly written (but no worse than most of black libraries offerings) but enjoyable none the less if you dont mind the tag team writing style of pinky and the brain.
Oh god yeah! I only read Dune for the first time a few weeks ago, and the whole emperor hearing the voices of the shamans is very much like the reverend mother parts when Jessica drinks the water. The Sardaukar being the Emperors fanatical elite troops etc, and especially the navigators! (If anyone says spoilers you can do one! The books 50 years old!) So much influence from that one set of novels!
• Modern Humans replace Neanderthals in Europe 40,000 years ago – ‘Reign of Man’
• First towns like Catal Huyuk appear in Anatolia 7,000 BC
• Shamans begin disappearing between reincarnations as warp entities start noticing and consuming human souls – shamans create the Star Child (Emperor)
– then Slaneesh awakes 30,000 AD – ‘Age of Strife’ ?
– I am sure they gave historical dates for the rise of Khorne – I think it was Bronze Age warfare or the Fall of Rome?
I mean Slaneesh awakes before 25,000 AD and Galactic reconquest in 30k?
– most of the explanations in the novels are given by factional characters so can be considered biased or ‘flawed narratives’ – means that authors can sorta do their own thing!
deaddave
“Excellent video guys! I’m hoping we get a massive injection of new fluff when Horus Heresy: Master of Mankind comes out.”
Why what is HH master of mankind? And I love this 40k series you have its getting me back into it, well 30k is what me and my mate are looking at. Thanks guys
Its a new book that’s currently being written by Aaron Dembski-Bowden about the Emperor.
Any chance you’ll be covering the “Dark Age of Technology” in a future episode.
The era that saw the height of mankind’s technological achievement, and the creation of the STC (Standard Template Construct).
A very informative video about the Emperor (it kinda revised my knowledge from if the Emperor had a text-to-speech device series ;-))
Could Merlin have been the emperor there is many stories that he may have been real & immortal?
Captain Garro was a pre spacemarine warrior one of the reasons that some of the death guard disliked him he was from earth/terran.
Great video keep them coming guys.
In any duiscussion about teh Emperor and his origins its important to remember that he isnt the only immortal super being running around the imperium of man. We also have the ‘Perpetuals” such as John Grammaticus and Damon Prytannis (Working for the Kabal albeit with growning levels of not wanting to) Oll Person, off on a mission for John Grammaticus agaist the designs of the Kabal and finally Alivia Sureka a female perpetual working for the Emperor apparently left behid on Moloch to guard/protect whatever incredible secret to the emperors power is located there.
What exactly the Emperor did on Moloch is worthy of discussion in itself.
Wait… What!? Never heard of that! That’s pretty interesting… Can you tell us more about that bit of lore?
Yeah, that’s another retcon from the black library. I dont think they were ever mentioned in old fluff but are a recent HH series addition. The only one out of that group who is in old fluff is Ollanius Persson, he is known as St Pius in the old fluff because he saves the Emperors life on the Vengeful Spirit I believe. Oll Persson got the nickname “Pious” because despite the emperor wiping out the old religions, he was a perpetual that kept his old beliefs and was a follower of the old Catheric religion (catholic).
That was a delicious slice of lore pie. Looking forward to the next piece guys. 😀
Although everyone seems to have enjoyed this episode I was horrified. I expected to come to the comment section and find a thousand people screaming out at the atrocities wrought here but only a couple have corrected this horrible mess – lotan2012 most notably set the record straight.
Unfortunately if this is someone’s introduction to 40K then they are going to be on the wrong track from the start…
This video needs to be pulled down and completely redone – it really is that atrociously, badly wrong.