40K Charted: The Emperor Part Three – The Golden Throne
December 28, 2015 by warzan
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Can the Emperor communicate? Only if this happens. (Warning; Strong Language)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR8Six9qpcA&index=1&list=PLyiDf91_bTEgnBN0jAvzNbqzrlMGID5WA
man i love that series, funny as hell! warren would love it!!
Yes its fantastic. It the serie that makes want to buy Captain Sicaricus 😉
ooo they use Martial industrial band Triarii for music too, SOLD.
Great show. Waiting for more.
Excellent as always, love the “active adaptive camo” effect AJ’s shirt is giving 😀
Always thought conrad kurze let himself be killed to show in no uncertain terms that his assassination was the actions of a tyrant and a false emperor….
love this series. I sometimes wander where AJ gets all the information from. I know some is from the Horus Heresy books, but where’s the rest from?
A lot of the older and more aesoteric lore about the emperor comes from a pair of books called The Lost and the Damned and Slaves to Darkness. They are a fascinating read but hard to get hold of these days, at least for a decent price.
Talk about arrested civilization, fascism and racism… Humans in 40k are the absolute worst humanity can produce, and none of the best. Why does anyone root for the humans in this universe, and how come they’re not just the bad guys ? Even ugly mutations seem tempting, now…
I always thought that was the point, there are no good guys in 40k.
Great show again! Another interesting Sigillite photo here. Take a look on the skulls ….the 2nd and 11th. 😉
Noooooooooooooooo, I’m a massive geek!!! I spent the whole time picking holes and plucking holes in that chat!
Nooooooo, good work though, also, did not know curze was assassinated, has that happened in the HH series yet?
Aaron Dembski-Bowden wrote a short story about the discovery of the evidence of Curze’s assassination called Throne of Lies. It’s really good.
Well a few things.
First of all space marines are allies to the Imperium, not part of it, they view the Imperium as the creation of their father and they will keep it intact, but see them above it, not part of it.
Now the psychers sacrificed as the plot suggests are to keep the Astronomicon alive and not the emperor, essentially they do the job the emperor and Malcador did but they are lesser that the situation, that is why so many are needed and why they die, it is unknown if the Emperor is alive or not and if there is still some minor connection between his soul and the husk of its body, some lore suggests Chaos tries to use the mortal part of his existence to infiltrate his soul some ignore this as an option, the only novella that the emperor talked to somebody rendered as a “non canon” by GW the golden throne emperor is shown as a personality that at the same time was ignorant and aware of the events conveyed to him.
The battle with Horus is the one that was well written in the realm of chaos books, Horus however mighty was clearly inferior to the emperor and his defeat was easy, but, chaos played with one aspect of the emperor, pride and arrogance, he could not accept his creation could have failed, the emperor tried to bring his favored son (and best creation) to his side in his inactivity Horus caused the wounds emperor sustained, even the broken body of Sanguinius was not enough to make the emperor accept his failure, as lore was written a lone blood angel captain entered the command bridge seen the emperor mortally wounded and his primarch slain charged at Horus, Horus simply disintegrated him at this point the emperor realized the trap accepted his failure and focused his might against Horus the psychic blast was so strong the chaos gods were forced out of Horus, released from their grasp Horus was back himself with full realization of what he has done at this point the Emperor got back his son but understood that leaving him live would only make it possible for him to be possessed again, stripping himself from any humanity he had he disintegrated Horus body and soul (the lore indicates Horus gave his approval) leaving nothing for chaos to claim.
I quite like this story as it gives a reason why an entity as the emperor could have been wounded in such a battle and gives some human aspect on the Emperor who generally is depicted as something so superior that has no connection with the humanity he so desperately tries to save from chaos and deliver them in a psychically mature future.
Now you mention a few nice parts, from the Inquisitor we know the Inquisition existed in the time of the emperor I am not sure if it was in his knowledge or not, but the first schism was once he got to the golden throne, specifically from the 4 top Inquisitors two decided that they should clone the emperor immediately and attempt to capture his soul on his cloned body and the other two decided that this would bring more disruption in the Imperium than Horus heresy already did noting also that people started worshiping him as a god, guess which couple killed the other?
His (physical) children is a more obscure lore, from memory they are psychic nulls not blanks, blanks are the humans that they use for culexus assassins nulls are unaffected by warp (I think they cannot manipulate it too) but I will have to look at it.
The battle between Horus and the Emperor will be slightly different this time around as Horus is no longer ‘just’ a primarch. He made the same bargain with Chaos that the Emperor did, see the Vengeful Spirit book for more details.
I would also add that the reason that the Emperor stays on the throne is more to do with stopping the tides of chaos flooding through the webway gate that was smashed to bits by Magnus. That was why he couldn’t leave it at any point in the heresy until Malcador sacrificed himself.
Yeah I remember it being mentioned in fluff that it was a space marine but in other fluff it was a guardsman, I think they’re heading with perpetual and going the Saint Pius route this time. Oh, and also psyker’s die to maintain the astronomicon AND the Emperor, but through separate systems.So you can see how many psykers they need!
Curze was a psyker and had visions of his own death since he was born. They effectively haunted him his whole life. There’s a lot more to it than that but he let it happen and laughed when it did because he knew that was his time. Just a bit a of night lords fluff for you 🙂
Hey guys! I feel like this is my new favourite “get involved” show. Prepare yourselves for the walls of text.
Konrad Curze was the primarch who, with his legion, inspired cooperation through terror tactics throughout the great crusade. He would leave planets so afraid of the consequences of non conformity that they would remain loyal through fear. He seems to be very like the historical character of Vlad the Impaler, who is also said to use fear to reign, with one story saying he would leave a golden gem encrusted cup at the centre of each village knowing that it was safe, because it it went missing the village would be slaughtered.
His story is also pretty much driven by Marlon Brando’s character, Kurtz, from Apocalypse Now, who again ruled with terror. When Martin Sheen kills Kurtz he lies dying saying “the horror”, and when Martin Sheen is escaping Kurtz follower allow him to leave.
Now let’s look at the mirror. Kurze is constantly chastised by the Emperor for his tactics of instilling compliance of worlds through terror while Kurze argues that it still gives compliance and is therefore a viable tactic. The emperor forbids them from using these tactics and he goes back to fighting normally. During the heresy, a callidus assassin called, wait for it, M’Shen, infiltrates Konrad’s temple that is made of humans, literally made of humans, and finds him waiting in his throne room for her. She walks up and kills Kurze. He allows it as it is final vindication of his tactics. The Emperor had resorted to using terror tactics of assassination to gain compliance, something he always told Kurze was beneath them and doesn’t work. Kurze knew this was going to happen due to his ability to see the future, but unlike the Emperors ability or Sanguinius’s his was a disjointed weird creepy vision, he had told his legion to allow the assassin to get to his throne room and that they were NOT to stop her from leaving. I believe he did this because he needed the Imperium to know that the Emperor had used an assassin on his own son, and if they had killed her prior to her escape then no one would have known.
The astronomicon is nothing to do with the golden throne. The Golden Throne is the control system for the webway gate under the palace that Magnus screwed up when he tried to warn the Emperor of Horus’s betrayel using Astral Projection. The Astronomicon is powered by psychers in the Choir of the Astronomicon in the palace.
The fight between the Emperor and Horus was immense. Sanguinius had already fought and as stated, opened up a crack in Horus’ armour. By that time Sanguinius had already killed the great bloodthirster Ka’Bhanda at the infinity gate, killing it by breaking its back on his knee and held the eternity gate almost single handedly, but in the fight against Ka’Bhanda Sanguinius was badly wounded and almost beaten. Horus was going up against a spent foe, and Sanguinius knew he had to do some damage and hold up Horus until the Emperor found him, know he would die.
The Emperor and Horus fought for ages, the Emperor holding back the entire time, convinced that Horus could be saved and brought back into the light. The Emperor had his arm torn off, one of his eyes was popped (all in the fluff) and was laying broken when Horus went to kill him. At that point Ollanius Perrson, one of the perpetuals who later is Canonised by the Ecchlesiarchy as Saint Pius, entered the room and leapt in front of the Emperor. Horus his him with a bolt of psychic energy that disintegrates him. As the Emperor see’s this he knows there is no return for Horus, so he summons all of his strength and sends a psychic lance straight through the gap in his armour Sanguinius had opened. This is where people who question the Emperors power need to take note. The Emperor knows that killing Horus is not enough, he will just come back later when the Chaos Gods grant his soul Daemonhood, so the Emperor summons a bolt that no only kills him, it annihilates his very soul. The Emperor basically breaks the laws of the Conservation of Energy, he destroys energy, leaving nothing of Horus remaining.
He is then taken to Rogal Dorn, who in old fluff at least tells Dorn how to adapt the golden throne into a life support system. He is then placed on it to keep the webway gate closed and himself alive. Nothing to do with the astronomicon anymore. The Emperors soul is not in the warp any more than it would have been when he was alive, the whole point of the star child legend is to kill the Emperors body to allow his soul to be reborn, at the moment it is tied to his body. As for the throne, it is a life support system fed by psycher’s souls. They are connected and their life force is fed to the Emperor to keep him alive. If it was a stasis field he would not be able do anything, psychically, or even physically (yes according to fluff he sheds a tear every time a hero of the Imperium dies/space marine dies or some such). It is literally like having a person in a permanent vegetative state on life support for 10,000 years.
The Illuminati are also a bit more than just a group of people that are searching for the Sensei, they are individuals that have been possessed by a daemon and managed to cast that daemon out and survive the experience. This means they have seen the warp and have knowledge of the overarching machinations of chaos. They understand that the Imperium will fall if the Starchild is not reborn. They themselves are also said to be uncorruptable by chaos due to their unique understanding of how the ruinous powers change humans.
The Sensei are like black holes, you can’t see them in the warp directly, but you can sense them by seeing their effects on their surroundings! They’re also sterile too, so they are unable to have their own children.
Space Marines are like the Imperium’s Immune system, they act autonomously for the benefit of the Imperium, sometimes they don’t respond, but they are never ordered to, and ordering them is a good way to see them give you the finger, they are allowed to be autonomous due to their importance. They don’t see the Emperor as a god (well some do, but as a standard they don’t) they see him as the pinnacle of humanity and as a grandfatherly figure. Something that the rest of the Imperium, especially the Ecchlesiarchy have to bite their tongue about…. The Imperial guard are the antibiotics of the Imperium. They are delivered where they are needed and hammer the problem with countless bodies until they win!
Peace out!
I knew psychers didn’t look right! Psykers…….
As far as I remember from the horus heresy books the emperor is a perpetual so in order for him to return all that needs to be done is to unplug the golden throne from the wall.
well that was interesting so the Emperor may be still on the throne because the leaders want to keep the power for themselves knowing he would be reborn with all of his powers if he died?
I agree, a small group from the Inquisition originally wanted to let the emperor die so he would be reborn but the word had already spread that he was on the golden throne. They said the window of opportunity for saying he died had passed so they would have to wait, otherwise it would tear down the Imperium completely when it was already fragile from the Heresy.
Interesting update to the fluff @warzan @aj86 the traitor legions can actually see that the astronomicon is starting to get weaker and fail from the eye of terror, they know the emperor is dying.
Great end to the Emperor fluff. Nice fluff gap-filling by @lotan2012 too. 🙂
for anyone who wants a more detailed acount of the fall of the Eldar should read the black library book “Asurmen hand of Asuryan” as it gose in to detail about that time for the eldar.
Does anyone know what happened to the Emperor’s armour, sword and power claw? I imagine it’s held in some kind of relic chamber waiting for his resurrection but just wondering if anyone could ever get a hold of them? Might have to send in some sneaky sneakers!