Space Wolf Logan Grimnar Storms In On His New Sled
August 5, 2014 by brennon
So we've seen the Stormfang and we've seen how the new Space Wolf Dreadnoughts look but the Space Wolves are also getting some new special characters too from Games Workshop. What do you think of Logan Grimnar?
The on foot version isn't too bad although the miniature is incredibly busy and I actually prefer the past sculpt and the way he was charging into battle. The mounted version however is certainly not what I imagined when I thought about a Space Wolf charging into battle. I know it's meant to look like a half-longship but it just looks, dare I say, stupid?
What are your thoughts?
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Santa is coming to town, just paint a red nose on one of those wolfs.
It is always Grimdark but never Christmas
I prefer the old Grimnar myself, the chariot is just wrong….
And still no new Ragnar???
I don’t even know if I want a new Ragnar now after this…
Anybody seen the episode of Father Ted where Ted makes out its a huge thing they are upgrading the Holy Stone of Clonrichert to a Class 2 relic and is really excited, only for it to cut away to two priest sat lounging about with one saying “how about the Holy Stone of Clonrichert?” only for the other priest to reply nonchalantly “Fine”?
Like that, only with miniatures. 🙂
WH40k version of a mad Santa.
Well thats it .. i knew firepower was next to useless in 40k compared to melee, but this here model officially turned 40k into warhammer 40fantasy forever. Id go as far as saying this will put a permanent negative mark on how i view 40k fluff, the last bit of this IP i actually still kinda enjoy.
You could put a Ice queen on it and it could be the wolf, the witch and the wardrobe……..
Poor bloody 40K players having to stare across the table at that err….joke would be the best word.
I like Logan a lot but not sure about the chariot.
Put a dwarf on it and you could have a race with that High Elf skycutter. So no one in the 40k realm is able to target those wolves? This thing makes no sense even if it is a make believe world.
Guess the solution would be to let the Wolves PUSH the chariot from the rear, so logan would still be able to move forward and the wolves would get some hard cover. Win – Win !
Figure is nice …. But that Chariot is just wrong. what on earth were they thinking when they came up with that design. Just Imagine the design meeting on that one… I bet there was a sculptor/designer there going … ‘You have got to be joking’
WOW ! my new worst mini of all time.
Is there anyone willing to step forward and defend it?
Lol. Well I’m not sure this is a defence but to me it’s no more silly than the rest of the Space Wolves and I personally feel it’s in keeping with the SW theme. Let’s face it is there much difference between this and a 7/8ft powered armoured dude riding a giant wolf? Never been a fan of the space vikings.
But hey, that’s just me…;)
7 ton SWs riding wolves was not the best of concepts to start with! lol
nope it’s crap.
The wolves are all wrong… Why is GW not doing fur properly anymore ? It looks like scales, or tendrils, or feathers… They look like chicken-wolves !
My guess would be CAD-sculpting and plastic tooling. It’s resulted in some very uneven releases in the past few years.
… I can confirm that sculpting fur in 3d is evil (X , X)
it can still look really good, but it can be a very bizarre process to make it look right 😛
… one of those things that works well with a bit of hybrid 3d / green stuff sculpting 😉
Huh. Privateer Press’ Warpwolves have good fur on them. I guess they aren’t using the same methods.
they’re sculpted by hand 😛 in fimo I think 🙂
… anyway, different sculptors, different methods 😉 ha ha
the person who sculpts the warpwolves is one of the old Rackham sculptors 🙂
= godlike skills 😉
They are wolves in chickens’ clothing
Makes a change from wearing sheepskin
OMG Now I can’t get rid of the mental image of the chariot being pulled by Foghorn Leghorn.
Thanks Romain I say thanks Romain.
I like this more stylized approach to sculpt fur, it makes for much less of a hassle to paint if one doesn’t wash and dry brush it.
Guess there is more than one “proper” way to illustrate fur.
I think you have inadvertently hit the nail on the head.
What these wolves need is a jolly good bath. Followed by a good regular brushing
… judging by the looks of Logan Grimnar,
that’s not the only grooming he’ll be doing this weekend (@ , @)
looks like Santa Claus is going on another list too this year (O , O)
… can anyone say Amber Alert ?
…it’s not the sleigh bells ringing, it’s the electronic tag around his ankle
because he broke his curfew 😛
They are bullet proof, its shards of metal linked together .. they are bullet proof metal wolves with lightning teeth and storm tails.
Easier to dry brush. They could mold this fur in a different shape. It’s not the plastic that’s the problem. This is easier to paint (not better-looking, just easier).
Just wrong.
Not the sort of transport I would personally choose to charge against the green hordes, or a swarm of ‘Nids in were I a giant , genetically modified 12’ slab of demi-god in power armour.
but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Logan looks great.
The chariot…………
I won’t say it
Hahahahahaha!!!!!
I think this model is a tongue in cheek GW joke as people suggest that they are on a slippery slope down hill and this is their reply to stay on top of it all. 😉
just stick a team of wild rider stags on the front. See how far it gets in GD, you never see the fun stuff like the Can-can dancing line of khorne zerkers!!
Please, please, please can someone do this!
A friend has just posted this on FB to accompany the picture of the model..I thought it ws funny anyway
Logan Grimnar, He’s our Hero! – Riding In An Eggcup! – Kirby’s Speech Has Made It Clear – “Now Buy This Filth And Shut Up!”
I like the chariot. Really captures the look and feel of the….
I can’t keep this up. What a crock of $h’t.
Mr Kirby, in his little preamble (or should that be rambling hissy fit/rage quit) the other day made a point about not needing to communicate with their customer base, they don’t do focus groups or opinion polls. I think this is a prime example of why maybe, just maybe, they should start. A long boat cross wheelbarrow thing pulled by two wolves with feathers instead of fur, really?
After some of the recent IG releases I get the feeling that GW are just seeing how a daft a model they can put out before people stop buying it.
This just doesn’t feel like a Space Wolf model. Looks like it fell out of a design folder for Fantasy.
The wolf fur on the sides looks like someone pocked with a toothpick into greenstuff.
pocked = poked
There are times, like this one, when it feels like WH40k has totally lost its way. It began as “let’s put fantasy in space” and developed into an IP which at times is genius and at other times is bloody awful.
For me, the Imperium is at its best when it is portrayed as a dysfunctional quasi-medieval society in a sci fi setting. The fluff portrays this beautifully, but sadly the miniatures do not often capture it well. In essence the Imperium is fantasy in sci fi clothing.
This miniature feels utterly wrong because it is the wrong way round. It feels like sci fi in fantasy clothing. That may feel like a nonsensical distinction to some, but to me it jars horribly.
There is nothing wrong with the quality of the model. The wolves look cartoonish, but that is simply a design choice. However, this is just the worst example of a line of miniatures, the space wolves, which are all pretty bad in the same way. Marines riding giant wolves feels equally wrong to me.
The design choices GW have made with Space Wolves actually makes me think how good a Warhammer Fantasy Norse army could have been if the wolf riders and flying boats had been utilised there instead.
I still like the 40k IP but it makes me sad that GW ignores what makes it great IMHO ( the inquisition, heretics, chaos, gene stealer cults etc.), in favour of gimmicky space marines and bad Imperial Guard minis.
I saw this miniature a few days ago and it dismissed any doubts I had about switching to Horus Heresy. For someone like me, who thinks 40k is all about Imperium vs Chaos (and everything else is just a sideshow), FW’s Horus Heresy line feels like 40k done properly, with skill, with intelligence and with artistry. This miniature feels like none of those things.
“gimmicky”. That’s probably the best word to describe some of their recent departures for the core of the 40k universe.
“For me, the Imperium is at its best when it is portrayed as a dysfunctional quasi-medieval society in a sci fi setting.”
All of this. I wonder if GW justify it on the grounds that it’s what the new generation of kids like. Otherwise known as the Lucas defence.
You can’t get more medieval than a horse & cart?
I know they lost a lot technology during the HERASY but that is beyond a joke.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. The Imperium is a quasi-medieval society, not medieval technology.
“For me, the Imperium is at its best when it is portrayed as a dysfunctional quasi-medieval society in a sci fi setting”
Can’t say I’ve always agreed with you in the past but this time we pretty much see eye-to-eye.
I have a lot of negativity towards GW these days but 40k is still my favorite sci-fi universe. When it is portrayed as you said above, such as in the fluff or the FF RPG series, I love it.
But models like this make my cringe.
This has nothing to do with 40K vs Horus Heresy (reality: as good as Heresy miniatures are, a great number of them are very similar, which is intentional but variety is lacking with that range – somewhat).
This has nothing to do with 40K aesthetics – it has to do with some select individuals in GW making stupid decisions, bad designers and artists, and a random push to sell to pre-teen kids.
This sort of BS popped up before and really ruined GW for a few years, but then they got back only to drop the ball again.
Do you really want to know how this offense came into being? Well someone made the Necron Command Chariot, which was an awesome model but the rules were sort of dodgy. So 6th edition came up with a brand new CHARIOTS classification. Then they made duel-kit DAEMON chariots – great for Fantasy, idiotic for 40K … but they went ahead any way and they changed the rules for chariots somewhat in 7th. So you’re stuck with a retarded new vehicle type with almost no models (shocking eh!?). So someone at the top goes “make sure a chariot is made in the new release, yeah?” and some other idiot came up with the concept and another disgusting idiot vetted that design.
Even worse, chariots make more sense for ORKS in 40K, they’re stupid enough to use them. But oddly enough they didn’t get one.
Oh dear God, even my Orks don’t want to loot that…
Oh come on. Flip it over, and it would make a stunning hat for a stompa.
It’s official, GW have completely lost the plot, what where they thinking.
Sigh.
Why?
For the love of God, why?
Are the anti-grav engines broken? Are the wolves giving Grimnar a jump-start?
How can a couple of mangy wolves tugging you along compete with the normal speed of an anti-grav vehicle?
Did you know the space wolves have tiny wolves strapped to their bolt ammunition to increase bullet speed? Its the primitive sci-fantasy nature of the space vikings.
OMG, that’s funny 🙂
“You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I’m telling you why
Logan Grimnar is coming to town!!!!”
Oh my goodness, words utterly fail me – did I really just see that?
I’m speechless. This reminds me of GW’s recent and TERRIBLE High Elf flying chariot BS. The actual concept makes no sense at all.
The Logan Grimnar model, however, is pretty damn great.
But god damn GW, you’re pathetic sometimes. There was a about a 1 or 2 year gap in GW where they more or less produced only garbage (High Elf release, Daeomon release) and this idiocy started up again with the Imperial guards transport and Ogryns. Very worrying/
Lmao. GW has truly jumped the shark as a company. This is the worst of the lot, and that’s saying something. Hard to know where to start. My first thought was that this fellow should get eight of those ‘My Little Pony’ stags from the wood elves to complete the Christmas montage. Or… he should trade his sled with the fantasy dwarves for their helicopter gunship and Chinook bomber to keep the two universes at least somewhat consistent.
Now, if that flying sea can thing released previously was designed for space boarding actions, as some stated, shouldn’t their leader’s ‘chariot’ be configured for the vacuum as well? I suspect those wolves wouldn’t fare well (pop goes the puppy), not to mention trying to gain traction on the widely spaced hydrogen atoms in deep space. Just sayin’. Or does it have two modes? Space and ground? Someone enlighten me. Or is this just for tooling around in his giant spaceship, like when companies provide golf carts to navigate huge factories?
And then there’s that other aspect of locomotion that needs to be explored. The vehicle has thrusters pointing downward. I know this an advanced concept, even in the far future, but stay with me. What do you think would happen if you added one facing backward? And why does it have wings when it’s being pulled by animals that don’t? Or do the wolves fly? And finally, if the chariot is meant to also operate as a flyer, without the wolves, then it’s probably not a good idea to put the thrusters under the wing. They would actually create lower pressure there, sucking the vehicle into the ground lol.
Suddenly it came to me: GW is pushing the envelope to see how bad they can make something and still have their fan base applaud it and scoop it up. I had assumed they crossed that line with their previous two offerings (and probably before that), but clearly I was wrong, and totally baffled by the continued support for bad models and worse prices. The only person who shed any light on that phenomenon was @poosh, who stated that sometimes you have to buy bad models just so you can use their capabilities in the game. Can’t 40k players use proxies if they don’t play at the store? I know players can use scratch-built stuff at the store, as I’ve made things for people who like to go there but can no longer afford GW products.
And then there’s the miniature itself: equally terrible. I suspect the reason he doesn’t shave is that he can’t find his face. He just looks like a pile of random kit. Can’t blame it entirely on the pre-school paint job either; even @elromanozo couldn’t save this one.
@cpauls1 the actual character model is great from the looks of it – possibly their best plastic model in terms of intricacy and detail (have to get a better look) – but this entire model makes no sense. This model will need to have the wolves removed and suffer some sort of .. creative replacement, to make it logical again.
The wolves do not need to be there. At least make them dino-bot style robot wolves!
The only way to save this thing, if I was forced to play 40k, would be to introduce the wolves to my bits bin, along with the rigid parts of the yoke assembly, and turn the thing into a pod racer with a couple of big-assed turbines spread far enough apart and set far enough forward so that, logically, the guy doesn’t get cooked.
And of course, that ski silliness would have to go as well. You could easily suspend the chariot on clear plastic, as @poosh suggested, and could even hide that with a little spraying snow effect, while the engines would be connected to the frame with rigid wire.
Having said that, for the price you shouldn’t have to do all that.
My mistake. It was @chibi that suggested the clear plastic stand.
Good grief shush Paul1!!!
I don’t want the GW legal vultures circling overhead to pick my bones over IP infringement.
You know what they are like! 😛
Wolves only make sense as a scouting unit, or in a pinch a light skirmish unit
Bad enough as mounts for 7 ton SMs in PA, chariots make no sense for melee attacks, as the axe.
The concept is so bad the model should never have got past the scribble on a bog roll stage. Not sure it should really have made it that far.
Someone with better knowledge of chariot warfare may correct me but I was under the impression that chariots were used as fast attacks to launch javelins or arrows as a hit and run tactic.
The Persians also used heavy chariots as shock weapons against the Macedonians, but didn’t fare too well. The Macedonian phalangites developed a tactical formation known as a mouse trap, to slow and surround the chariot before it could do any damaged with its scythed wheels.
Well that’s an abomination worthy of a visit from the Grey Knights.
I like the foot model but sweet baby jesus and the orphans the chariot……..just no.
What’s it’s movement after someone has shot the two dogs?
You don’t even have to. All you need is one of those compressed air hotdog launchers from the ball park. Start firing those around and you will, in effect, turn the vehicle into a rampaging elephant. And to kill the driver you just need to yell “Roll over” through a bull horn.
and you thought my lego bricks response that stormfang flying brick was harsh???
just when you thought GW has reached an all time low, they will happily prove you otherwise…
Not the sort of transport I would personally choose to charge against the green hordes, or a swarm of ‘Nids in were I a giant , genetically modified 12’ slab of demi-god in power armour.
but hey, whatever floats your boat.
I have a long list of what I think is wrong with this model but TL;Can’t be arsed lol
wish it was saturday already… can’t wait for your reactions on the weekender…
I was thinking exactly the same thing!
looks like Santa Claus is going on another list too this year (O , O)
… can anyone say Amber Alert ?
…it’s not the sleigh bells ringing, it’s the electronic tag around his ankle
because he broke his curfew 😛
Is this a really elaborate April Fool?
if only
GW slowly (well speeding up quite a bit in the last 3 weeks)killing my love for space wolves
Just nope. That is all. Corvus Belli are supplying all the doggy action I need in August.
…
I know GW has the capability to make pretty much anything, but that doesn’t mean they should try 🙂
No Ragnar Blackmane, no Wulfen, no 13th Company bundles…we get this instead? No one thought this looked completely ridiculous? Well this isn’t going help claw back sales anytime soon is it?
This said I wouldn’t mind trying whatever it is they’re smoking over at GW HQ 🙂
Having read most of the spacewolf books, I’m wondering how all these wolves turned up at the Fang!!!!! I could live with the flying brick but this is just stupid.
Just noticed the tube at the top of Logans axe??????? Whats that all about?!
So he doesn’t lose it.
It’s like having a string on your mitten.
I want to buy it just to replace the wolves with reindeer, but at the same time, no-one should ever buy this.
I guess you could say that GW may have screwed the pooch on this one.
ive not posted on the site for ages and ages but the answer is simple just dont buy it….. i love my 40k i really do…. but i dont really have a problem anymore with shit models if it doesnt fit with my style it does not feature in my army… its as simple as that……. and if the rules are that great ill proxy its really not a huge problem….
Well that was universally negative, cannot say I am a fan myself but lets try employ the guideline to feedback on work I was taught during my teacher training – 1 negative and 2 positives:
No just No
The metal effect on paint job for axe head is new and different though.
Er….. struggling here.
hey, you found one positive… (bloody fanboy)
just in case you’re Sheldon Cooper… that was sarcasm 😉
Remember what Kirby said in his preamble…
Attitude is better than skill.
I think the floaty doggy boat is proof of that stodgy pudding
@chaosdruid so do mine. what the hell? is this serious?
The Logan model I’ll reserve judgement until I can see a better photo, or see it in real life.
But that chariot? Oh dear… It’s worse even than the Khorne Daemon one!
Although… although the model itself is really, truly, utterly appalling, the various bits that make it up look quite nice. The wolves used separately might be okay. The infantry figure may be decent. The grav bits on the back half of the chariot might be useful for something. The shields are good. And the boat shaped front half is nice sculpting.
It’s just put all together… wow…
Atleast make the wolves look more in line with the other models, like this;
Brings a whole new meaning to who let the dogs out LOL.
I admit I got it wrong in a previous thread. I said that this model would divide people. On the contrary, I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much agreement when it came to a GW release 🙂
it does divide the community… here it is greeted with a unanimous mix of disbelief, laughter and facepalming, while on bell of lost souls they seem to accept it and are busy debating how it works with the rules…
Why do you think they call themselves “Lost Souls”
Abandon hope all ye who enter in 😛
For once in my life I’m speechless …………
Oh dear
Price tag estimate: £45
Also, as this is the first story EVER where @brennon doesn’t use the word ‘awesome’ = a damning indictment. 😉
Exactly what i was thinking .. not even Brennon could squeeze forth a positive :p
Thanks.
It gets even funnier.
For £45 I could buy Eldritch Horror or similar board game.
Just to give some sort of context of how crazy that price tag is.
@chibi have they announced / leaked the price yet?
I was going by what you said, Solar! lol
The sad thing is, it is plausible that it could be £40+ though looking at their website GW chariots are somewhat less.
FWIW at the bottom of one page it said:
WE THINK YOU’D LIKE…
Razorgor
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I never thought I’d ever see gw release a model as awesomely dumb-looking as that old Nagash model. Sadly, I was wrong. What a heap!
Just waiting for a red paint job. Ho Ho Ho!
Just wrong.
My friend told me about this over the weekend. I didn’t believe him but..wow.
To quote my friend, “Go home GW, you’re drunk.”
Kids toy!
As an outsider (to GW) looking in – it looks to me like they cannot decide whether they want to be grimdark comedy (like 2000AD, the movie Brazil ect with that kind of juxtapostion over over the top silliness and dark humour) or gritty military science-fantasy. This is especially apparent when I look at say Forge world products which look to be more in that miltiary science fantasy category with the medieval space knights and stuff, where as stuff like this, orks ect are more in the dark comedy category. I think this is one of the main reasons I cant get into their stuff as I tend to prefer something to settle on one genre and stick with it rather than go back and forth seemingly like what I see from GW.
Not sure if what I said makes any sense though, so apologies if this comes out all wrong, it’s late and I’m rather tired but I just thought my view might be of interest, but if not just ignore me! -goes to sleep-
To answer your question…they use to go for the gritty military scifi-fantasy. What you see from Forge World today is the general direction 40k use to be. Take a look at the Dark Eldar models for example. Or hunt down some pics of the old Steel Legion guardsmen.
The Orks were always a bit comedic though.
These days though I’m just not sure what they want to do. There are still some real gems in the range but they are getting outpaced by others companies (in terms of both style and quality) and they don’t seem all that concerned with trying to catch up.
I totally agree with your assessment. For me, the consistency of tone and the seriousness of the Horus Heresy is one of its biggest draws.
Forge world can make some pretty beleivable stuff (for science fantasy), only problem as i see it is the rules dont do those minis justice at all. Its still warhammer fantasy battles in space
Wow, that thing is atrocious. I keep rooting for GW to turn things around, and keep being disappointed. How many talented people must have been involved in making this model, and none of them realised how wrong they were getting it?
GW new look is cartoony which is why the fur looks like feathers, I hate it, played all gw stuff from 3rd ed 40k and just hate what has happened to this once great concept. While we are on the subject of just doesn’t sound right if we are to believe that the space marines would actually survive in this universe with only 1000 battle brothers at a time, they would be in no shape to deal with chaos space marines that just get re-made every time the powers that be want another raid for there plans they just wouldn’t keep up.
and thats not including the nids, orcs, tau, etc etc etc
God thats bad I mean really bad, what are they thinking, whats next …..long boat rhinos?
I feel for the collectors/gamers who have spent time and money on wolves over the years to then be presented with this tripe, truly horrendous.
Yeah that’s a great idea, like shadow barks of Dark Eldar for Space Marines, but cooler and with energy shields on their sides… but wait, it does not fit into my understandig of the 40k background. I just don’t get it, were they just mad or drunk, or both? This whole antigrav-sled-thing-concept is just supid.
An anti grav sled isn’t such a bad idea.
If it was an equivalent to a jet bike.
Pulled by wolves (with a yoke around their waists??!?!) is idiotic beyond compare.
Also if it has anti-grav, why the Dickens does it need a mono-ski?
It floats dammit, it doesn’t need a ski.
Did the designer forget about the clear plastic stands that are used for floaty things?
I think I’ve figured out how to make this model awesome: it’s actually quite simple.
Simply remove the eh rudder? and chains etc, reigns, from the wolves and model. Rearrange it slightly, maybe put the wolves on separate bases (making them decorations, seeing as I assume they cannot be targeted in the Rules). Now it’s merely a Character on an anti-grav attack platform with two of his pet killer-wolves.
Which is pretty good if you ask me.
I think it should be house ruled that if you use this, you must play “Stonehenge” by Spinal Tap. All it needs are some DE female slaves and to be airbrushed on the side of a van.
This is terrible, why does something that is anti-grav need to be pulled by wolves !
Because they are Space Wolves.
if it didn’t have wolves in space customers might get confused and think it was just some space dude on a space surf board riding cosmic radiation waves.
Wipe out!
Did they make this while watching the THOR 2 film ? I might get one and stretch it to make some sort of converted rhino-longboat ….. Those wolves are utter lame :/ grimnar is pretty sweet tho
you do all know whats going on its the design team they have a bet on who can make the worst mini and still get it published
Nagash and this one are close
Is the boat skimming along on tow ropes supposed to bring to mind the Fonz jumping the shark, or is that just an unfortunate coincidence.
Why are the wolves pulling it when it has engines?! There is no logic there. What a terrible concept. Logan himself looks alright, but prefer his more dynamic looking original model.
After seeing the sh*tbrick with wings called the Stormfang and now this, I am starting to get a bit worried about potential monstrosities when they get round to my beloved Blood Angels…