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Evil Craft Summon Demons With Their Chaotic Sorcerer
March 16, 2015 by brennon
Evil Craft have delved deep into their book of spells and have come out with another neat looking 28mm kit for use with your grim dark future wargaming. Summon the spirits of evil with the Chaos Sorcerer...
This dark dabbler in the black arts has been made to fit in with a variety of other heroic proportioned 28mm warriors and as you can see in the components breakdown above the parts are all ball and socket allowing for a lot of customisation and posing when you put him together.
I think they've done extremely well with this piece and it's a neat high detail kit with plenty of options. Painting him is also going to be a dream with all those deep recesses just crying out for a good wash to make the raised detail stand out. I love the book that's chained around his side, a neat addition, and painting books is usually quite satisfying too!
What I'd do is paint the edges of the book, with a bit of practise, as if they were glowing and the ancient secrets within were trying to break out. Which parts are your favourites from this kit?
Let us know!
"...as you can see in the components breakdown above the parts are all ball and socket allowing for a lot of customisation"
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That sure looks like neat alternative for official Chaos Sorcerer mini. But that’s the thing. That’s all it is. Nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing original about this one.
Nice looking miniture but £21/€27/$34 for one 28mm Space Marine miniature? Really?
Dear Evil Craft, in case you aren’t sure…… the point is to offer GW alternative products at more affordable prices NOT even worse ones. Nice mini though but you’re having a laugh on your own at them prices.
Those single-figure primarch guys at Forgeworld are over a hundred bucks, and those get snapped up without question. Funny how folks suddenly get a sense of value when they’re looking at something that isn’t made by GW.
Good sculpting, but a horrible mini. Once again, too much unnecessary random sh*t hanging off the figure. It’s a shame they’re emulating a company that has lost its way. But I guess that’s where the market is, and it doesn’t matter how bad the figures get.
@cpauls1 You manage to bash GW even in a non GW product article! That’s some good hatin’ you got going on there!
As @fleetey says, why is the price of this ok but Forgeworld Primarchs aren’t? Because its from another company just trying to make a living rather than the big bad company? Agreed FW Primarchs are silly money but at least FW/GW have done a lot of work building a background / storyline to support those miniatures.
Rather than looking at FW Primarchs, lets compare apples to apples. Compared to its next nearest rival aka the finecast Chaos Marine Sorcerer it’s made to replace (£11), it is almost double the price, which is frankly ridiculous!
@lunchbox I didn’t say the Chaos marine sorcerer was too expensive. In fact, I didn’t know there was one, until you mentioned it. And if you’re willing to do the math, you’ll note that I have already mentioned that he is within the price range of what I would pay for a good miniature on foot.
As for the background/storyline of GW, it is one of the reasons I don’t play the game, but to each their own.
@cpauls1 the Forge World Primarchs are huge miniatures with large, scenic bases. No comparison.
I’m aware of that @erastus . Thank you. That’s why I felt it was worth $40.
It was ok to mention GW in a non GW article, but only if it was made as part of a positive comment. Its fiunny how they try to hobby-moderate the comments. Also it was apparently “hate” you expressed.
I hope that reply wasn’t directed at me @hatamoto because I actually agree with you. It’s totally legitimate, in fact an absolute necessity, to compare what is obviously a proxie with the genuine article. I merely stated that I don’t think comparing the price of this mini with the price of a FW primarch is a valid or useful comparison.
You’re right @erastus . The primarch is a space marine-type figure on foot…
Haha, are you being deliberately disingenuous @cpauls1 ?
I’m not too sure what makes you think it’s random unnecessary shit. It’s called getting your money’s worth. It’s called a miniature.
Every single detail is entirely logical for that model. Pistol, grenades, spell books (ok, surely he should use an IPAD), hooks and knives. And, which seems entirely lost on you, THEY ARE OPTIONAL. A wonderful model.
You offend the Miniature Gods.
With all due respect @cpauls1 all companies have a right to price services and merchandise as they wish. Heck FW could price them primarch models $200, $300 and I’d be fine with it. Would I buy it at the $100+ range hell no, but they still can price it whatever they wish. Brand name is what most likely what gives them the ability to sale at that price. How else can some purse companies get away with such ridiculous prices for small purses that really serve no function?
I agree @manpug . Companies can sell the figures for whatever amount they think the market will bear… or not. Designer purses is a great analogy.
Eh…. do you know how expensive it is to do this when you’re a few guys in a basement (Which most of these small mini companies are).
I already said I would pay $40 for a good single. IMO this one isn’t it.
In nearly every single article about new GW miniatures, you are there commenting on the price in some form or other. Other companies shouldn’t get a pass despite you saying otherwise when someone brings that point up on a non-GW model news article.
I don’t know why anyone would seriously bring up the price of a Forge World primarch vs this one. I would ask what price do you think a FW primarch should be and what area of expertise you are basing your opinion on?
If one felt the need to compare this to some of the GW range, then you’d compare it to the singular character models (which I typically don’t see the point of, considering all the extra bits you now typically get from units to build your own).
I’ll agree with others that there is too much going on with this model and that it looks far too busy. I suppose you could spread out the bits from this one model unto many, but then why not just buy Evil Crafts very own 5 man squads and do the same?
I didn’t say this one was reasonably priced @fleetey . What I said was: there was a complaint about this one being overpriced, but there usually aren’t any or many for GW’s figures… except by me of course. If you compare this model with the latest GW Chaos release, it is an equally hideous model for an equally silly price.
When other companies make bad mini’s or overprice them, I also say so, but no one rises up to their defense. However, when I make the same comments about GW’s lacklustre products of late, there is a pouty backlash.
As for the primarch guy, I’m thinking $40 would be about my limit for any single figure on foot. I don’t play 40k, so in truth I wouldn’t buy it for any price. Having said that, I do like some of the 40k mini’s, and recently started collecting Tau for an upcoming Traveler RPG game, and I have said so previously. I also own a ton of their fantasy stuff, but I haven’t bought anything that has been released in the last few years. They look like toys, and are priced like jewelry. Would I like that to change? Yes. I would like to buy their figures again, and maybe that will happen if enough people voice their dissatisfaction, rather than lap up anything they make at any price just because “it’s GW.”
Aww @cpauls1 you are funny 🙂
You post comments like, “lap up anything they make at any price just because “it’s GW.” ” and “Funny how folks suddenly get a sense of value when they’re looking at something that isn’t made by GW. ” and then get all uppity when people object to these comments and start talking about a “pouty backlash”.
I wish you’d realise that half the time, people aren’t objecting to you criticising GW at all. What they may be annoyed by is statements which give the impression that you think your fellow wargamers are idiots.
You must be visiting other news threads then if you are telling me you don’t see (many) other comments complaining about the price of GW models. A significant chunk comment on it (some of it completely justified; eg: I don’t quite “get” as to why anyone would buy the latest Skaven Warlord when you could just bash together one from bits in the Stormvermin kit).
The Primarchs are better sculpted, have better production values, and are much bigger than the not-Chaos marine in here. I’ve little to no idea the process through which the Primarchs are created, but Forgeworld has to pay someone of significant skill to make it in the first place before you take into account all the other production costs.
If you think $40 (£27) is what each Forgeworld Primarch should cost, then personally I think you a tad naive with regards to how things should be costed.
In your opinion, GW models look like toys. You have previously commented that the current aesthetic of GW models is to appeal to young people, but considering that I got into this game at the age of 8 (and I’m now 34), I have to ask when did things suddenly change?
Note: nowhere did I say that you’d said this was reasonably priced.
Then by all means go out and buy your primarch for $120. No one is saying you can’t… but I’d rather be naïve lol.
IMO smaller producers like Evil Craft should look to support the wargamer’s pocket with good mini’s at reasonable prices that provide fun alternatives to GW’s usual overpriced fare. I appreciate they need to make money but if they priced their sorcerer similar to the GW equivalent then that would make it a viable alternative. As it stands though, I cant see them shifting any units of this figure. Fly close to the GW IP dudes but don’t ape their pricing!
Exactly @willy2fly . But after the last few releases, flying close to their IP isn’t necessarily a good idea either!
Really nice, sculpt but price point is off for me. Would also want to see some casts before purchasing – photos are not entirely convincing.
As comparison with GW seems required, price is not that out of line when you consider plastic zero option librarian is £18. To people who think that is fair value I would say this was as well. Neither are to my view.
Had to go look up the librarian @dags , and I have to agree. Neither are worth the money.
@cpauls1 However I don’t think either of us are the target audience for either product.
Evil craft from what I have seen are doing individual sculpts and bits for the collector who wants to add some really detailed and unique bits to his force. The same guy who will by a set of alternate pattern bolt guns from forgeworld to add something different, and possibly put the armourcast muzzle flashes on them etc. Its the lavish end of the hobby.
I do different with conversions and kit bashes, and ones that initially don’t stand out as conversions to achieve that. Mind you I do have a very extensive collection and bits boxes to support this.
You’re right, there, @dags. I only recently got back into sci-fi models, and am looking at putting together two combat teams, one alien, and one human, to go with a future RPG. Glad to see Mongoose Publishing is still around, and therefore my Traveler and Striker rules from the ’90s are still relevant, if in need of an update!
To that end I’m gathering gear and mini’s (little people, as my missus calls them) from all over, and there will be Tau figures in that mix. Also good to bury my head again in the Fire, Fusion, and Steel supplement, to design everything from weapons to starships from the ground up, with a sensible progression of tech and weapons systems.
To that end, $3.00 is my top end for a trooper, and I’ve already got lots of bits to make heroes. I like the Tau for aliens. Vehicles will be dollar-store creations, or scratch builds… no justification for that kind of expense right now, or for $40 bad singles.
Sounds interesting @cspaul1 and definitely agree with the Tau – they make great aliens. Dropped out of anything sci-fi lately bar x wing, never been a huge fan. Although a project down the line is a 28 mm scale inquisitor mini set plundering a wide range of bits, not just GW
Sounds like fun @dags . I don’t get to paint or build for the sake of painting or building all that often. I’m usually rushing to get ready for our next game, in the few windows of time I get for such things. So getting back into sci-fi was a decision I didn’t make lightly. My missus actually pushed me that way, saying I needed to branch out more.
Forgot to mention: Hoard o’ Bits stocks Robogear stuff, and you can get some good bitz there for walkers and such, or build a whole one for about $5. They need work, but that’s the fun part. That’s where my alien “armour” will come from. I also like the Tau because of all their drones. Seems logical; we’re doing the same thing — putting drones in harm’s way instead of humans.
I’m looking at Eisenkern troopers from Dreamforge for the human combat team, but those German-style helmets just don’t do it for me. Haven’t found a good alternative, yet.
Traveler/Striker will provide the mechanics of the game, and I’ve decided to go with a first contact scenario on a world that has colonization potential. Everyone will play two characters, a naval character in an orbiting frigate, or a member of the scouting party on the ground. I’ll set up two tables, one for naval/boarding actions, and one for ground combat. We’ll switch back and forth as the situation demands. Should be fun: most of our AD&D crew are on board with the idea 🙂 .
Yeah, that Librarian is absurdly priced too. £18 for a plastic marine with no options is just daft. IMO much more than £10 for a single space marine size miniature on foot is overpriced, whether resin, finecast, plastic, metal, papier mache, whatever. Basically, anything that costs more per miniature than Malifaux miniatures as they’re at the top of my price point. Thankfully you don’t need so many of them.
I am only just starting to get into Malifeux building and painting as soon as I am off with something approaching spray friendly weather. Love the models and have even brought in on the metal base toppers – the size of the average force in my head directly effect what is reasonable cost – oh and the quality of course.
I think it’s the latter @dags . Neither is worth it.
Adeptus Astates: superb fluff, amazing illustrations … terrible models.
@erastus my major problem with marine models is I find them dull to paint. Never managed to finish a force, everyone goes on about how easy they are to paint but I shut down. Got a plan to try come up with a painting approach and try out the ‘new’ citadel paints at the same time but again waiting on weather.
@dags standard marine miniatures are very dull to paint, dull to look at and just terrible miniatures. However, in the fluff and the art they are fabulous. If I was in charge of GW I’d be tempted to throw out the whole space marine range and totally reinvent them.
Exactly what i was thinking 🙂 thats what it needs .. seen some pretty good “true scale” marines that looks a bit more impressive, as the fluff implies they are. Id really like to have regular astartes in say 35mm scale or bigger to skirmish game with.
Having had a go at a true scale marine or two, I can tell you the pleasure and satisfaction you get from making a single decent marine is worth an entire army of GW’s toy marines @hatamoto
Ooo I don’t know @erastus ……I actually think its never been a better time to be a Space Marine player wrt the figures. Whereas 5-10 years ago most stuff was generic people are now able to add in some legion, early mk armours, nipple armour, wolfy bits, veterans…..all sorts of stuff. Can really create whatever you want…..withing the GW power armour theme.
I do however agree a revamp could or should have been done wrt the truescale….I’m hoping that the bigger bases is the first step to scale creep…..stealth truescale……but would be even better if the statline creeps up as well eg wounds, strength, toughness.
A beautiful piece of work. Fantastic model.
£21 for a resin model by a tiny group of people? Fair enough.
I agree. It’s a really cool model. Will just have to get me nan back down the mines for a few shifts to afford it (only joking, I have a 6 figure salary).
Looks like he would fit well with the FW Night Lords character they had just done.
It looks as close to a CSM as any I have seen from GW and thats fine with me. The price on the other hand makes me laugh. Try selling a knockoff designer purse at the same price or higher to my wife and she walk away.