XLBS: Gaming Where Palm Trees Sway, Alien Worlds and Comics!
July 20, 2014 by dignity
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Sam looks like he has a rock cod piece on…no wonder hes smiling 😉
I’m a fan of the Walking Dead graphic novels myself, just don’t get too attached to any characters 😉
I really enjoy Hobby Lab, any advice or future plans on making a cobblestone base board for a Wolsung board from @lloyd ?
Beta Ray Bill can also use Thor’s Hammer.
Yeah the resin discoloration from Prodos is quite normal – it’s a little softer (read – durable) than the resin kits I’ve purchased previously and I have heard two different reasons for this:
1) The mix of resin + hardener is slightly different for each batch, with the resulting sprues turning out grey, blue, or somewhere in between.. in the same way that lumps of greenstuff can end up yellow-green or a blue-green depending on the mix.
2) It is intentional and one container of mixed resin will be one colour at the top, transitioning to a different colour at the bottom. When the resin is being poured, it possible to gauge how much resin you have left based on the colour.
I have noticed that the blue-coloured resin ends up being a touch softer (if you press your thumbnail into the sprue, it will leave a mark) but both seem to hold the same level of detail. As for assembly yeah, I’ve had the same problem. Even if I wash them, it takes a while for the super glue to actually harden and stick the components together, but I really like the end results.
Sam, when it comes to those Undead Legionnaires, I think it’s time to break out the Army Painter quick shade 😉
Also Justin, watch out! There are are plenty of attacks where you don’t get an armour save at all!
Damn you guys! Now I want Warzone!
Ahh, Felucia..
Have you considered checking out plastic aquarium plants for foliage for alien worlds.
Some I’ve seen even come in alien like colours , check out Amazon site for ideas.
I like the look of the rocks made out of the underlay. Is this the same technique you used for the rocks on the big desert board you used to have in the studio ?
On the matter of comics, I have to recommend Powers from Bendis / Oeming. I’m not sure if the idea was original even when it first appeared back in 2000 (Cops investigating super-powered crimes) but it’s the execution that I really like. I’m pretty sure that the first story arc “Who Killed Retro Girl” is available free online, too.
Sam, You’re right! Netrunner was such a blast back in the 90s, when it was a collectible card game – but now it is even better!
Lloyd… if its visuals you want from a comic book check out Slaine the Horned God or “anything” drawn or painted by Simon Bisley back in the 90s. His black and white ABC Warriors is also stunning.
@anto – Simon Bisley is the guy who did “Fistful of Blood” series in Heavy Metal a few years ago, right? Basically a graphic novel adaptation of “Fistful of Dollars” and Akira Kurosawa’s “Yojimbo,” except here the Clint Eastwood character was a ridiculously-proportioned gunslinger woman (who turned out to be an alien bounty hunter at the end, SPOILER ALERT!) . . . and the rival desperado gangs were vampires and zombies. Yes, it was as delightfully absurd, raunchy, and live-dismemberment-level violent as you might imagine. Great stuff. 😀
a lovely comic set in Belfast is Dicks by garth ennis I think about two guys dougie and ivor who claim to be private detectives very funny
Regarding Thor and changeing into a woman, in Norse mythology it was not only loki who could change gender but also Odin, Thor’s father, so it is possible that Thor inherited the ability from his father but didn’t know about it until it happened.
I love the Game of Thrones graphic novels, a good a place to start as any if anyone thinking about starting to read graphic novels/comics.
I like the idea of expanded foam for organic scenery but its hard control, not sure about the blue colour though.
Lloyds terrain would be a great start for the underwater board you guys were talking about. If you give it a bone wash or pink hue it would be a good corral reef… or something.
Great show guys. Great dynamic, good topics, and fun chats. (See my Oxford comma? 🙂 ) Looking forward to Infinity week and next weeks shows.
Ive always used a black primer, is a dark fray primer the way to go.
I can see the benefits
Not very cost effective but I’ve always gone black primer then a light dusting with white from the top of the mini.
I use testors Dull Coat for all my matt spray, it is unfortunately an enamel paint but I have used it for 30+ years and never had a problem. I found most other sprays tended to bleach the paper or frost the miniature. I found this was worse on higher humidity days, ie warmer days. You just need to be careful on foam, you need a solid coat of paint and do light coats with plenty of drying time for foam scenery. Hope this help Lloyd.
@lloyd The palm trees are looking great so far, but here’s a tip. They are VERY tall. I stay in Thailand, so I’m always looking at them for inspiration on my gaming tables and have never managed to make them look real enough in terms of height. I used the same technique as you, but they can’t get tall enough without falling over. I even used 2″ foam as the base for my board and ‘threaded’ them through from the bottom but after a bit of play they just bent over.
Obviously, if you are happy enough with them being shorter, then cool, but I always try to make things look to scale if possible.
Love your work guys, keep it up. 🙂
Vallejo Matt Acrylic Varnish through an airbrush would be ideal. So long as the needle isn’t too small and the psi is good you could give a perfect coverage. 99% of issues with can primer & varnish are due to the aerosol used within them and moisture in vicinity to cause misting and other such undesirable effects. It’s hard to see what your problem is though you only showed the one that worked right 😛
For giant ice terrain blocks, I found the best ‘ice’ effect I have done quickly would be to seal the terrain with varnish to remove the absorbent nature of the materials used. Then base coat it white and wash it X amount of the times with really watered down Fenrisian Grey, gives a rather icey effect.
The hulk couldn’t lift Thor’s hammer in the avengers! Movie FAQ’d!
Think the difference between comics and novels is that comics are done in a magazine size format compared to a graphic novel tends to be smaller pages, thicker books.
Graphic novels are released one after another in scheduled just like comics, Reference Naruto Manga for that.
I have to say, gender bending a male super hero isn’t the way to go. It would be better for them to design and come up with a unique super hero to fill the void of primary female heroes with their own powers and story.
I find comics are way too out there for me, I don’t have much interest in them.
The Hulk did lift Thor’s hammer just not very far but even Thor was shocked ;0)
Here’s a video reference but I believe there was a more modern version as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SsRqziNWdK4
Without Warren this is entire diffrent show. Dont get me wrong, I love him and the way he steamrolls his cohosts : D
But I think since all the guys are so adorable, they could mix up the teams more often.
I’ve also been making terrain with expanding foam also, I love the stuff! You can get so many weird shapes with it. Doing my pieces in dark grey-ish purple myself though – and will have holes with neon pink fluids leaking out of them.
Also going to make weird alien trees and structures from hot glue, hot glue guns can make some awesome weird shapes too.
Netrunner was Richard Garfield’s second CCG – and was a great game provided you didn’t construct decks (in official play, all decks shared around 60-70% identical cards – they even called them ‘core’ resources). Have looked at purchasing Android:Netrunner – your comments make this more likely.
Android Netrunner – I’m starting to get interested. Shutupandsitdown.com are also big on this. Probably time to buy the intro set.
Jason Aaron has been writing Thor for the last few years and in my opinion has been one of the best comics on the market. Sam, I encourage you to check out his run from the beginning, it’s pure epic, god smashing storytelling. One of the best new villains in years has come out of it. All this to say that I trust Jason Aaron to write a great story, no matter who wields the hammer.
Justin, don’t watch Legend!!! Don’t do that to yourself, man!
I would really like to see a hobby lab where you guys show how to make the rocks frim the underlay.
The first thing I thought of was to use it as terrain for Deepwars. You could use day glow paint in lots of blues and purples with splashes of bright warm colors to break it up. It would look good seeing that the game is set underwater.
Does anyone know when that mat that is on the table will be available?
As with the weekender so different with out Warren and in a good way.
From where did they get that gaming mat?
Check out the front stage version of the weekender, they roll it out there, literally.
You successfully made it through the entire weekend with out Warren.
and I thought Warren had issues with history……
Comics to Recommend
LOBO
You guys are in serious danger of having your geek cards revoked…
RE: Netrunner – as stated above, Android: Netrunner is a re-working, by FFG, of Richard Garfield’s (of Magic and King of Tokyo fame) ccg from the mid 90’s. Personally, I have a love/hate relationship with the FFG version, but I am glad to see some of these “dead” ccgs coming back in LCG form (Doomtown, Legend of the Burning Sands, etc.).
RE: Graphic novels vs comics – there is no hard and fast rule for what makes up a graphic novel, but in general, they are 5 or so times the length, have no (or very few) advertisements, have better quality printing (paper, inks, etc.), and, if the graphic novel involves a monthly comic character, the story may be very self-contained, and rarely mentioned at all in the “main” comic.
Hi Guys, a note on your “Ice Mat” idea. On the Wings of War forum there was a gentleman that took a satellite image of an area of France, fields, villages, streams… and took it to a printer, had it blown up then printed on vinyl. It looked amazing, very detailed. The only problem was it did look a bit shiny which mau trouble you Lloyd, but it was very cool, and 4’x6′. May be something you could look into, and possibly they could finish it with a matte coating. I think the gentleman said it cost about $70(US). Not bad for a 4×6. Good show by the way, but missed Warzan 🙁
Justin, have you finished reading “Serenity: Leafs on the Wind”?
Good job guys. Very entertaining.
Struck by an idea at approx 50 minutes in:
– Build a Dave Graffham paper house
– (Spray the inside with a sealant?)
– Fill the house with expanding foam
You’ve just given the house some rigidity without adding a load of weight! Step 2 may or may not be necessary, depending on the paper/card and foam mix – you don’t want it ‘soaking’ the paper.
I Like that foam terrain. The pieces should be a bit smaller, maybe but it has potential. The glowing paints will be great. But I check the DayGlo-Paints, that stuff is insanely expensive. If you put that foam in a hobbylab don´t forget where to get that stuff to an affordable price 🙂
I agree with what Justin says about preferring to read subtitles in Japanese movies (rather than dubbing). I’m not really an anime fan, but a huge Godzilla fan (I own 27 out of 30 movies). Anyway, the dubbing is almost universally awful. Some DVD sets offer both options so you can easily compare the original Japanese dialogue (subtitles) with the dumbed-down, cheesy, inaccurate and borderline insulting crap the American movie companies dub over it. In some cases, they completely change what characters say, and thus change the characters themselves by changing their reactions to certain events.
Anyway, down with dubbing, always watch it in subtitles.
I really like this show, it feels more balanced without Warren steamrolling everything. I hope when he is back your rotate the people on the show to give a diverse range of opinions and perspectives.
Good show guys, nice change of pace.
It might be blasphemy, but I actually quite like these Warren-less Weekenders. The dialog back and forth is suddenly a lot more balanced.
Netrunner is awesome. Played it a lot recently and I run Criminals (Gabriel Santiago) and Has Bioroid (woot for androids!). Just been playing my friends in a mini-tournament and came 2nd of the four us playing with an amazingly cinematic last game against my rival for 1st. I lost overall but scored really well.
BoW Ben
Change is often great, but man . . . Warren is gettin’ no love on his vacation. 🙁 I like the way he does the shows, keeping it on-agenda. Okay, okay, there was the 50-minute launch into Waterloo, but if it were up to me there’d be a 50-minute historical essay in every episode. 🙂 So admittedly I might be biased.
That being said, Lloyd’s Transformer rant was epic. Let’s just say I am of a like mind (maybe even worse) when it comes to Michael Bay’s movies or the Transformers especially. Granted, we rarely learn anything new when we listen to people who already agree with us, but listening to 20 minutes of such vehement, wholehearted, well-supported “agreement” was very, very comforting.
“Ahh …. just sit back and bathe in the rant. So nice. Preach on, Brother Lloyd. Preach on.” 🙂
Justin, just sometimes please engage brain before mouth….. Just saying! We could all comment about your baldy napper but choose not too 😉
Can I just say its appalling the way that you guys have got on this weekend. I dont think laying in to each other Justin and Sam the way you have been is not professional I would not let my kids watch this anymore and the amount of swearing you guys do is appalling whether you bleep it out.
Some of the comments you have made towards Sam have been completely off hand and not what should happen on this website. Sam has been defending himself this weekend.
Wargamers get enough flack for playing with plastic miniatures we don’t need to be represented by people who do it to each other on a show dedicated for wargaming.
And come on people everyone should not take out a mortgage to buy miniatures there is no place on here where I can see people doing this on a budget and in our no job climate people are struggling to keep up with the hobby how about doing a show or a few videos on a budget and using Revell and Italeri figures to illustrate some of the battles in history. This show is turning in to one big advertisement for wargame companies and not following the heart of wargaming which is having fun but not spending you lifes savings on something most wargamers have not got.
I was totally offended by Justins comments and actions thrown at Sam. And totally discussed with Sam as well. This is not the sort of behavour that should be on a family show which is watched by my friends kids as well
Sorry for this out burst but I really did not enjoy this weeks XLBS weekender. But if you want to ban me for this outburst Im only expressing a view which I have not had to in the past. I really enjoy looking at this website but probably after this statement I feel I might get banned.
I watched it twice, and I didn’t get any of that.
It is interesting to hear the rest of ‘the gang’ talk so much with Warren taking a break. Brought a different dynamic to the show, which made a nice change. Not to denigrate the big man, of course…
In relation to @hawker2000‘s comment, I didn’t pick up on the unpleasant vibe you allude to. There was some jovial banter, but nothing I’d consider ‘bullying’. What, specifically, caused offence, I wonder?
On comic books and graphic novels, this is one of those things that’s a lot easier to understand than explain. Comic books are traditionally periodical publications released to a set schedule and which usually feature an ongoing series. In the US, the standard format is to release one new issue of each title on a monthly basis, to highlight one character or set of characters in each title, they run to about 20-22 pages per issue, and the convention for the last several decades has to been to have ongoing “story arcs” which play out over several issues. None of this is a requirement. A comic book can have a different publishing frequency, it can be a mini-series with a finite number of issues or even a one-off issue, it can tell a series of one-off stories to a theme rather than an ongoing story, be an anthology, and the page lengths can vary. They used to have newsstand distribution, which means you’d see them alongside magazines and newspapers, but now they are sold through the “direct market”, which usually means you have to source them from a specialised comic book retailer.
“Graphic novel” is an American marketing term. Back in my youth I used to buy “trade paperbacks”, but now everything is a graphic novel because it sounds better. AFAIK it was originally used to denote a one-off, self-contained publication in the same storytelling medium as used in comic books but published in a format similar to a novel rather than a periodical. By which I mean not stapled down the spine, thicker cover, and better quality paper (comic books at the time were printed on low quality newspaper-style paper). In the 1980s, as comic book sales were migrating from newsstands to specialised stores, companies whose business was based around selling comic book periodicals realised they could collect together chunks of previously published material into this format and sell it again. In the late-eighties, DC experienced massive critical and commercial success when they collected two mini-series in this format, The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen. As both of these were taken seriously as literary works, “graphic novel” started to become the accepted way to refer to them because it made them sound like proper works of literature.
Since then, graphic novel has become a catch-all term for any comic book published in this format, regardless of whether the content is new or reprinted from existing comic book periodicals. As comic book sales have collapsed in the last twenty years, companies like Marvel and DC have taken to releasing material in comic books specifically with the intention of re-releasing it as a “graphic novel”. Stories now tend to last for six-issues as this provides enough content for a single graphic novel, allows each series to have a graphic novel published twice a year, and means that the reader who only buys the graphic novel has a self-contained story to read in each one. As long the comic book breaks even, the graphic novel sales provide the profit. Although even then, things have gotten so bad that if Disney and Time Warner weren’t making billions of the IPs, the comic books would have been shut down years ago.
Great XLBS, Justin, Lloyd, and Sam!
That being said, some things have been said on this thread that the community seems to be ignoring (probably the best course of action, so naturally I will do the exact opposite 🙂 ). I think this was a great XLBS, despite some comments that it was ‘unprofessional’ and that people were ‘picking on Sam.’ I have just re-re-watched, writing down time indexes and examples disproving such notions, that but after the first two pages of notes I realized my post would be far too long. Suffice it to say that Lloyd and Justin were welcoming Sam warmly onto the show within 35 seconds, excited about his new Warzone Resurrection Dark Legion miniatures by the one-minute mark. There is some banter back and forth (omitting the next twenty examples) but I think Sam dishes out as good as he gets (totally a compliment, by the way)—with Justin taking his usual ration of abuse for not getting TV/movie references and now his handwriting as well. But of course Justin takes it all in good-natured stride because that’s what grown-ups do.
Not suitable for kids? I’m forced to wonder why children young enough to be “damaged” by anything said or done in this episode would be watching XLBS in the first place? I don’t think they’re paying Backstagers. 🙂
On a more serious note, if the kids really are THAT young, maybe hard-core wargaming isn’t a hobby they should be starting yet? I mean Warren’s “Scooby” adventures are one thing, but “real” wargames might unintentionally teach impressionable youth that war is okay, physical conflict is a proper way to resolve problems, death isn’t real, and human beings are disposable playing pieces. We’re running THOSE risks, but offended by . . . what? “Doing the Madonna” with the Tyranid terrain? (sigh) Really?
Last thing: XLBS is turning into an advertisement for overpriced miniatures? Wow, really? Is that what those palm trees were? That alien terrain? BoW devotes a lot of time and energy sharing ideas about how to do these things yourself. As someone who’s just dumped $40 on palm trees for a North Africa campaign, I can say I wish this episode (and the associated Hobby Lab) had come out a couple weeks sooner. 🙂
In closing: when posting a protest about someone’s use of language, spelling and punctuation might be worth looking into. Commas, periods, they are your friends. 🙂
[Sheepishly stepping off the soap box].
Im sorry for what I put I may have come across a bit over sensitive. I am a sensitive chap ask my wife. Thank you for what you put Oriskany, I do see the XLBS in a better light now with what you said I wish I could retract the statement I made on here.
Actually, @hawker2000 , now that I re-read my own post, I realize that some parts might have come across as a little harsh. Worse, the elements specifically put in the post to “lighten” it (humor and jokes) might read as a little snarky. Apologies for that. These guys are just covering for a friend who’s finally taking a long-overdue vacation. I guess that was all I was trying to say. 🙂
I’m going to go check out Hobby Lab now. I want to know how you made those palm trees!
The main problem with lcg is that you end up buying more and more expansion decks to keep up and be competitive so you spend almost the same as with normal ccgs. Android Netrunner is a pretty fun game though.
I gave the Warhammer LCG a go when it came out. I’ve CCG’d in the past and was attracted to the idea of a small monthly purchase instead of a large six-monthly purchase. What I found was I quickly got left behind. Whereas with a CCG, as long as I was buying and playing when the big release came out, I could keep up with the meta, taking a break from an LCG meant falling behind and I couldn’t be bothered to keep trying to catch up. Then as you say, the savings weren’t that much over a CCG anyway.
Had the chance to visit the archaeological dig site @Ninawa while I was in Mosul in 2004. very interesting, specially for someone from America to visit a site so old.
Can we get back to wargaming stuff? I don’t come here for movies/comics talk.
Another great episode!!!
Enjoyed the show as always. Im off to watch a documentary about the Hanging gardens on 4od now.
Great show guys,
a really different dynamic this weekend, without Warren to direct the conversation. @lloyd what I would say about the change in comic book characters is that it has to be done. There is only so long a character can run, and a finite amount of stories to tell, before a character has to be changed, or retired. On the change of character front for the “Avengers big 3”, that came out after the XLBS I believe, is that Captain America will be African-American.