HeroQuest Anniversary Edition Kickstarter Suspended
November 28, 2013 by brennon
Update!
I don't think many of you will be surprised to know that the HeroQuest Kickstarter has been hit by an IP issue and looks like it's been suspended until further notice. It looks like there might be a few more box ticking exercises to go through before this one comes back onto the scene.
If you've been wondering on just what you can expect from HeroQuest and Gamezone then see if this artwork ticks all your boxes. The Kickstarter is now live and you can check out the contents of the box below alongside a list of their current stretch goals.
Above you can check out the cover art for the game. I love this comic book style work they have done and it looks dark and gritty as well as having a dose of black humour too. If that wasn't enough they also showed off sketches of the four hero classes.
Clearly I'm going to be making a bid for that Dwarf character at every opportunity I can. The artwork, as I said above, has really gripped me with this game and if they can translate all this into some awesome miniatures and great looking components this is going to sell like really, really hot cakes.
Gamezone's Kickstarter Price List
Basic boxed game $94
Boxed Game and 15 heroes - $115
Boxed Game, 15 heroes and all stretch rewards - $158
They have even put together a list of the components within the box which you can check out HERE.
Mega-Update!
The Kickstarter has Launched! You can see the massive collection of pieces and other gubbins below!
You can pledge for the basic set, which already has plenty, or you can add in a mass of other heroes and monsters to make this all the more exciting as a piece of gaming history.
Above are also some of the stretch goals that have been unlocked. These are being busted at an almost hourly rate so they are subject to a LOT of change...
This could be a mega addition to your collection.
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Does anybody know if this is a limited edition? And what price would it be?
I’ve updated the information above with supposed pricing for the Kickstarter campaign that’s running in the future.
BoW Ben
Was afraid that the intent to capture the feel of a classic was going to get them into trouble with the equality crowd, but I know they have plans to include female versions of each hero. It was a smart move when the latest Dungeon was released, and makes sense here.
I’m not sure I’m an auto-buy on this, but I caved for Space Hulk, and I can’t see me willingly passing on this gem that I’ve been kicking myself for missing 20 years ago
Are we still expecting this as a Kick Starter?
$150, if you want the stretch goals. They’ll have to be – and I really hope they are – good, in order to make that a good investment.
Please let this be better than Alien vs. Predator!
The basic boxed set price sounds pretty good – this is going off simply the artwork and hope the models are as good looking. It’s going to be hard to resist this one.
My only quibble is that our group as just got their hands on Descent and I reckon we’re going to be playing that a lot over the coming year or so…so maybe this is just going to either step on it’s toes or get left until we have time.
BoW Ben
Starts Friday, doesn’t it?
YES!
Yep. This will be a no-brainer to back. Oh, the memories 🙂
I’m watching this project with interest.
i am going to be all over this when it launches cannot wait.
I am definitely going to have to back this as it was the gateway for D&D to me and i would like it to be that for my Kids.
Ah, nostalgia…
same thing came to my mind… same exact word… 🙂
Nostalgia indeed 🙂 hope it gets a nice upgrade
This is not a probable buy for me. This is not a must buy for me.
This is an “Ohmygodohmygodohmygod I NEEEEEED this!!!” buy for me.
Heroquest, like many of you I’m sure, was what introduced me to so many of my current hobbies/interests. Miniature gaming, rpgs, fantasy genre…I can attribute Heroquest to leading me to all of them. Even if it is purely for nostalgia I will get this without a single doubt. Although I do hope it ends up being as fun as I remember it. (Stupid nostalgia goggles…)
I’ve managed to resist backing Journey, Brimstone, and AvP (although the latter wasn’t too hard to be honest). Glad I did because now I can focus on backing this. I just hope it hits after Xmas.
Need it need it need.
I had the first box set an every single expension sets… I left it all at one of my friends’ house and we don’t to each other anymore… Lately, I’ve been thinking of trying to buy one through eBay but it is seen as a collection piece and out of price.
Here’s my chance to get a new, shinier one! I’m in! 😀
I don’t know when I will play this but I must possess it.
the original was the game that started it all for me. The gateway drug that got me hooked on GW minis.
This is one time I wish I could reach in the screen and grab a game into real life.
This is really interesting. I had completely forgotten about Hero Quest and the whole furore about it with me and my gang of friends back in the day. As to whether or not it was Hero Quest specifically that got me in to the hobby is doubtful as I think I recall seeing friends at school messing about with a chaos warrior or two at school before that and then of course there was Combat Cards which was the big thing back in the late 80’s/early 90’s. I also never had the opportunity to grab me a copy of the classic Milton Bradley – Games Workshop collaboration board game but my memories of playing it are very good. Can’s say I ever played Space Crusade though. I too would love to see a revival of it and a re imagining for it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing as it looks as though they’ve got the looks for the characters pretty much bang on right. It’s a bit of a shame that the dwarf design isn’t the same as he was but then that’s probably a GW trade mark now, being the classic logo for White Dwarf Magazine.
Nice bit of news that Brennon thx.
Heroquest was what started it all for me. I remember it was my main present for Christmas that year. Being eldest of 4, my parents my brother and I settled down after Christmas dinner and played the first adventure.
As Roman said…ah the nostalgia.
I have a 5 year old boy now and would love to introduce him to this and see how he reacts.
Just backed Brimstone, but I will have to make room for this one too.
I never played the original. It’ll definitely be worth a look.
I’m starting to feel like I have too many games… *gasp*… Nah, what I have is too little TIME!
Quite frankly, I bought the original and a pile of expansions from a discount bin way back just to get cheap minis.
Still have the minis, sold the game off a few years back…
I’ll use my Broadsword!, Fire of Wrath!
I’ve dropped out of SoB to make sure I’ve got some hobby allocation for this. I didn’t really need much excuse to drop out to be honest as I wasn’t really enamoured with it and was only backing as was currently the best of a few options on KS at the time (the other two being Journey and AvP). I think my huge Myth box of goodies will satisfy my dungeon crawler itch 🙂
Think I’ll jump straight in at the $150
I did exactly the same thing. AvP and SoB weren’t really doing it for me so ended up dropping them both for HeroQuest. Hope the $150 slots aren’t too limited in number.
SoB looks awesome, but HQ is by far my favorite boardgame. makes me want to by all the remaining add from ebay….. wish I could, but way too expensive.
I am not dropping SoB, just reducing my pledge, I gonna keep AvP, because it is AvP!!
But straight in $150 for HQ ^^
When exactly this KS is starting today?
just want to add:
I dont understand GW, they could have done that game or an equivalent, they already have the licences. They have some of the best artists, but they dont do anything about it.
Around me I can see more and more gamers stepping away from army list games, and doing more board games like Zombicide, Last Night on Earth, Sedition Wars, Space Hulk, BloodBowl, Descent ……
GW is one of the best, if not the best at creating amazing board games, why cant they get back to it?
Yep… I myself am returning to boardgames after a couple of years playing wargames… All you need to play is included in the box, your friends don’t need to invest to share your hobby and you don’t need to spend a large amount of money after buying the game (and I must admit, time is also an issue: assembling models, painting them, building army list…)
I wonder if it is a Milton Bradley / Games Workshop collaboration this time too cause the art work looks like a bit of a departure from the GW style.
Nope! No Games Workshop and no Milton Bradley neither this time but Gamezone (which makes wonderful minis).
So I know they are going to be changing things up a bit. I was wondering if any HQ fans might comment on the amount of prep time this game needs. Does the bad guy behind the screen have to do a lot of work? Does he/she need to be a rules expert?
I’m keeping my SOB pledge (it hits a lot of sweet spots for us) and having no HQ experience doesn’t make it a no-brainer… so I try to arm myself with info before I tell the wife about all the additional minis she’ll have to paint 😀
@acrizer: In the old version, the preparation was really quick… Just a mather of distributing character sheets and reference cards, choosing a mission and placing the models in the first room on the board. As each room is filled only when they are discovered by a character, the initial set-up is quick.
The game master (let’s call him that) plays every bad guys and takes care of the board so it isn’t boring! The rules were really simple back in the days (a couple of pages, at most if I remember right).
This is the game that brought me to roleplaying and then, I just couldn’t stop… Boardgames, wargames… 😉
Wasn’t it supposed to start yesterday!? Does anyone knows if it is on Kickstarter yet? The search isn’t giving anything back…
They submitted it to KS, but can take a while for KS to put it up. Presume they’ve to check it’s all legit etc. This is according to Gamezone Minis twitter feed yesterday.
My concern is that they’re infringing on copyright material they don’t have permission for, KS won’t allow that up.
I suppose they already have the rights or else, they wouldn’t have announced it everywhere on the web! Or maybe it’s something the kickstarter will allow them to do…
Yup, just chatting to people on the Battlesystems KS and apparently the rights lapsed in Spain and weren’t picked up. So all GZ can’t use are things that GW still have right on- Fimir for example. Apparently it’s just taking KS a while to give the go ahead.
Also, makes it somewhat sad, somewhat hilarious that they’ve paid for advertising on BoW when the things isn’t up! Real shame. Hope it doesn’t hurt the KS.
I think they will be ok, I’m more worried about the translation challenge ahead of them, as the current FAQ in English is not great.
I can only hope an established company realises that and they’ll get someone to do the translation for them. Ruleset could be ruined by sloppy translation causing ambiguities. Though they’ll also, I’m sure, be inundated with offers from amateurs to do it for them.
It’s live folks! Head on over and back it!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2113976860/heroquest-25th-anniversary?ref=live
I kept looking every hour since the announcement! I just pledged and during the time I entered my informations, two goals were acheived! Incredible! I think they won’t have any problems getting the money they need… In fact, they already do! Can’t wait to see all the extra stuff they will announce during the next 3 days!
Love the old tv ad lol
Pledged and funded…. can’t wait till christmas 2014!!!
Hmm. Not sure how this will fare outside of Spain if the rights are still held elsewhere (by Hasbro now I believe after they bought MB – they still have the Kellars Keep manual on the Hasbro site)
I’ve a feeling that once this is delivered outside of Spain, then the lawyers will close in.
Hey, I’m sure they’ve thought about all that, but I’d have thought they’d of been better not using Hero Quest as a name, which will be met as “passing off”, and rather an ode to it – no need to change rules specifically, just rename and make cooler.
Did you actually look at the KS? they address all those issues in it……
Don’t they just say they spent “weeks of studying the legal aspects”? A bit of an explanation about how they are getting around them might allay any fears of it getting pulled.
They’ve addressed it on the FAQ too. Rights were lapsed in Spain. There’s nothing stopping them making it, using names etc (except Fimir). They can also sell their product overseas too
Nostalgia ain’t what it used to be.
I’ve noticed one thing about the KS is that the Chaos Warriors and Chaos Sorcerer is now “Primordial Chaos Warriors/Sorcerers.” So they seem to be skirting possible legal tangles by naming things slightly different.
I’m pretty stoked. Only issue I have is that I have to wait a year for it. 🙁
This is gonna be a crazy KS!
Will legalhammer by GW begin though – be very interesting over the next few weeks
This seems seriously reasonable all in in my opinion and even though the current stretches have been not all that exciting I feel that even at the basic investment this is well worthwhile so any stretches will be just icing on top.
I do have a lot of hopes that they really expand upon the base game in this Kickstarter and at more than 175,000 CAD already I am very optimistic that that will happen.
The stretch goals do seem rather disappointing so far. The problem with Kickstarters like this is there’s no way for them to get backers to up their pledges. It’s pretty much set your pledge and come back in 30 days to see a couple of little freebies that have been added.
I think a lot of the backers expectations are out of whack with their vision of releasing a 25th anniversary edition rather than a new version of the game with expanded tules and minis.
Would like to be proven wrong though 🙂
Has there been any mention of them being able to do advanced heroquest as well? Or is the original the limit?
Thought i would be more excited tbh, the picture they put up is not doing it for me yet anyway
I’m not sold on the pricing model. Roughly 50 bucks extra for a blind buy chance of getting stretch goals? That’s not the way to set it up.
You need the sweet spot pledge level, you need forthcoming stretch goals as a teaser AND you need concrete add-ons for people to sink more money on “hmmm… if I order an extra set of furniture, I might be a free stretch goal bonus”.
Got to say. So far it’s a bit underwhelming.
Keeping the stretch goals (which so far have been crap ) secret is just arse biscuits.
No one answering questions/posting updates. ( OK. I can forgive them a little due to time zones but c’mon. Who else would start something like this and then just feck off to bed? )
And as people are now saying. There is only reference to the rulebook being in English. Not any of the cards etc…
Hopefully i’s just a bad start and things will get better.
Maybe that’s what the blank cards are for; so we can fill them in in our own language lol
Hoping somebody does the same thing with DARK FUTURE one day! With the new Mad Max film ‘Fury Road’ out next year there might be no better time to return to the golden age of the Road Warriors!
I would love to get an updated version of HQ but I’ve held off on pledging as the lack of info & communication from Gamezone Miniatures is *really* underwhelming. Hopefully they’ll clear up a few issues later today with their update but they should have had that info ready to go when they launched.
Shambles so far. If they don’t start communicating with backers they’re going to lose a lot in the middle or right before the end. poorly conceived KS, I think I can see what they’re doing but it’s only a guess owing to the utter silence. They don’t even use their twitter account. Really disappointing.
It’s a very strange approach indeed :S
Fix it, fix it, fix it. 😛
It’s still a beautiful box set… But they have to catch the backers’ attention before they loose everybody… Hope they react quickly…
Gonna have to change what I said ealier. It’s not underwhelming…
… It’s a f***ing shambles!
Yeah, I cancelled my pledge. If they can’t handle communication, then I can’t trust them to deliver. Also the “you’ve unlocked a 5×5 cardboard tile” stretch goal was a bit crap…
Updates have been posted. Points are being clarified! I think this is finally getting somewhere… Fans aren’t a patient lot it seems. There will be one update a day from now on; they are listening to the backers.
Spread the word, guys!
Has anyone seen any info on shipping costs other than the comment with the unlocked guillotine?
‘recently used on our shipping cost calculator designer’
Yup, that’s a joke! There was a problem with the calculator, the update said they’re working on updating it!
I got the joke, but I’ll wait until it’s updated 😉
So. They’ve done an ‘interview’ and answered a lot of questions. All concerns are put to bed for me. They have a distinct and well developed plan for the game and the KS. Some great things coming up. SGs to get closer together (which I predicted hahaha) and new heroes, magic schools. Confirmed that all monsters are unique sculpts.
Also been comments from one of the people who makes the minis (has also worked on a lot of other things, recently Mars Attacks) and the minis are apparently superb!
All I wants to know is how Smeagol can get his filthy grubby mitts on a copy! Give the precious to Sméagol! we wants it…… we wants it…..
IP dispute closed it down for now. Anyone know from who?
It would be no surprise to me for it to have been GW putting in the Dispute. Though Hasbro could have I thought I saw somewhere that Gamezone and Hasbro had been talking friendly on this topic.
with how GW has been posting out C&D orders like junk mailers lately I was wondering how long it was going to take for the kickstarter to hit their radar.
Would be a shame if it’s GW. It’s possible though. They’re well within their rights in Spain, but I fear the issue is them selling to places where they don’t hold the rights to distribute. Feared this all along…..makes them look poor when they categorically announced that there was no need to be concerned over this happening. Will wait to hear who filed the complaint.
Yep… Unfortunately, it will harm them even if the outcome of this dispute is in their favor… I was very excited about this kickstarter… I sincerely hope everthing will be fixed quickly…
I’m with ya on that. They could be screwed now, perceptions from backers. Interest from other companies in acquiring the licence etc….
Ok so now that HQ is sunk hows about heading over to AVP and Backing, eh, eh?
Also who would want their money tied up in a project that could be subject to more legal stumbling blocks even after the Kickstarter. Even if the IP dispute gets the go ahead on Kickstarter there’s nothing to say that legal proceedings won’t continue after.
Think I’m pretty well justified on my original post now! Wouldn’t surprise if it was Hasbro – if anyone is as familiar with IP lawyering as GW, its Hasbro.
Well. I can’t say I didn’t see this one coming.
Official statement here…. it’s neither GW or Hasbro! David was right 😛
http://www.fancueva.com/ludico/comunicado-oficial-de-gamezone-sobre-el-bloqueo-de-heroquest-25-aniversario/
Good news but I fear the harm has already been done… I didn’t remove my pledge, though. I’d really like this project to get realized.
GW such aholes I have this money and I want this game. Why wont you let me give you this money?!
Perhaps they want to print their own edition, now that they know people want it.
Its not GW this time but Moon Design.
But who the h is moon design?
to answer your questions as to who these bastards are is that they are a company in the us which got the rights to name heroquest in the US when GW let it slide, they made some crappy rpg years ago and now that someone is making a real product and real bank they want to cash in. Basically its a story of a no name american brand trying to ruin everyones fun.
One day I will be able to give you a million karma for what you typed.
MOON what the F@#K is up with you. Get your act together! Yes you have the right to give a C&D, but use your head. Dont
I hate my keyboard 🙁
As I was saying. Don’t send a C&D on the eve of a big attention grabbing kickstarter. It makes the very people that you wish to capture their hearts your enemy. Its like sending a C&D just the day before a movie goes in theaters or an album is released.
Weather or not I become a backer of this campaign is for me to decide, but I do know I’ll never buy any game or product that has Moon Design as the producer because of the crap they just pulled. Very disappointed in what they did.
yeah i dunno, it seems that companies in this industry havent learnt from games workshops lesson getting all litigious about plastic soldiers will do your companies image more harm than good and I guarantee you Moon Design is going to be the target of some serious nerdrage…
You got that right. I never knew they existed until now and for me to hate them before even seeing a single product from them is bad.
Welllll…. hopefully too many people didn’t drop from Shadows of Brimstone for this. :/
On the plus side, I’ll now have some cash for a couple additional 4tb HDDs for my media server.
Official statment frome Gamezone:
Please bear with us. Gamezone and Moon Design are in a meeting negotiating a settlement for both parts at this time.
Moon Design believes that their interests in the HEROQUEST brand within the USA will be infringed upon. Although we are not distributing or selling our product in US territory. As a precaution Moon Design presented a C/D on the 27th of Nov. Our talks are coming to a point where the negotiation will benefit all those involved, which finally would let us offer our product in stores in the USA sometime next year.
The Moon Design C/D was suspended, but on the table, as another element in the negotiation. Here at Gamezone it is our hopeful understand that its activation is possibly by error as both parties where coming to an agreement. Said agreement would finally end beneficially for Fans in the USA by opening the physical distribution to stores in that country. This brief pause of activity is as harmful to the interests of Moon Design as it is to Gamezone Miniatures.
We are as surprised as the Heroquest community, we didn’t expect that on Thanksgiving, of all days, to be wrapped up in this mess, that is so disagreeable for everyone involved. On a day such as this it is extremely complicated to get in touch with Moon Design. We are working diligently on a solution so we can continue with the project from where it is at the moment and reinforce it for the future.
Thank you. Dionisio
My pledge is till there. Hope all of this gets solved ASAP.
I also backed this project and I’m sad about what’s going on. I hope al of this will be sorted out soon and we can continue.
I’ll keep my pledge, but have to admit I’m starting to get a little weary. It’s still a lot of money.
I get that the people of moon design saw the money on kickstarter, but they had their chance and just should accept that they have a missed opportunity.
I guess when there is a lot of money maturity and decency are out the window.
Having a good laugh at all the AvP naysayers.
We unlocked every single stretch goal.
GAME OVER all other systems, GAME OVER.
Great attitude….
Liking a game system doen’t make all the others crap… I really thought AvP was looking good. But that wasn’t something in which I wanted to invest… I never said that is was crap though. You know, there’s a word for this… respect I think it is…
wow, that s a shame that this Moon Design company decide to stop everything because they dont get their cut.
looking forward the next chapter of that story, but I think that few guys might a bit more careful in investing in a project that might go again under C&D.
Especially since, from what I got. GameZone is spanish, selling from spain, using a canadian access to kickstarter without being based over there, and selling to the US, where a company already have the rights to HeroQuest….. Well, I m not sure I ll fill confident about coming back on that KS. Hasbro might have a change of mind seing that over half a million of dollars are being invested upfront, before production/release of the project.
…..if I were Hasbro, I would want a little bit of that cake.
Well I hope they sort it out
It looked more than promising
One thing I find rather odd if there is an issue with the name.
Heroquest and Heroquest must have coexisted in the former’s previous incarnation without any problems.
So why is there an issue over names now?
What have I missed?
My only concern with this now, and I think this may have been mentioned, is…
What happens if after the KS has finished and all money has been paid, another IP issue come into play. GW and Hasbro are all quiet at the mo, but… GW… >.>
I’ve dropped my pledge to $1.00 for now while I think this over. I for one, can’t afford to risk $150+ on a project that may have problems in the future, which could ultimately result in people loosing their money.
-Voidsign-
@voidsign – I am in the exact situation. $150 isn’t small money. I am worry about late C&D coming once there is 1M or more. Asking for huge percentage, and in the end, GZ would not be able to produce the game.
Agreed, there is a heck of a lot more that could go wrong with this KS, it’s not just delays or bad sculpts that I have to worry about. I was dubious at the start but put that aside when the posted re-assurances that all was fine.
Then this happened.
I think that I’m going to have to cancel my pledge and pick the game up from their site. if / when it does see a release.
Better safe than sorry.
-Voidsign-
As far as i know, the have talked with Hasbro Spain, and they where talking with Moon Design before the Kickstarter. Everthing was settlet. For me it is to Odd that this just hapened on thanks giving and black frieday. So lets see what hapens, we will give more info when we have it. Cheers frome spain.
I won’t drop my pledge yet and if I where you, don’t do it yet. Wait untill the 27th and cancel then, just hold on. I’ll bet this is wat moon design wants, for some reason, don’t let them manipulate you!! Remember, this is heroquest we’re talking about!
On the other hand if by the 27 th you are still unsure, do what makes you feel best!
That’s what I’m doing too! That’s the spirit, dude!
IP and copyright is very simple, if someone has a rightful claim then they deserve it … period. If Moon has the IP then that is how it is. You can piss and moan and get all emotional about it but the facts will fall where they do. Heroquest is a big enough title that most gamers have at least heard of it and for it to be “abandoned” that story sounded pretty shady from the beginning.
Wasn’t gamezone bought out by Cool Mini or not a few years ago on the sly?
@lordofexcess – completely agree. I’m not happy with the situation but it’s ridiculous that people are painting Moon Design as some of sort IP ‘campers’ who are holding GZ to ransom. A cursory bit of research before starting the KS would have revealed that Moon Design had the ‘Heroquest’ trademark for years. They’ve brought out rulebooks & supplements under that name, it’s not like they simply bought the IP and did nothing with it until this Kickstarter appeared.
If anyone is at fault then it’s Gamezone Miniatures for not making sure that this issue was fully resolved before they announced the Kickstarter.
I don’t get when people are expressing their worries about something they like, all of a sudden they are ‘pissing and moaning’. I take offense in this.
I respect your view about the ip and you are right it will be settled. But If I want to talk about this with people who are also concerned about this, that’s my right and there is no reason to call me names. I believe this is a site where people are free to talk about stuff. Please keep it this way.
People can express their upset & disappointment about the situation without resorting to terms such as “bastards” and “hatred”. At that stage they’re getting overly emotional and it’s just ‘pissing and moaning’.
Although I’d really like this project to have a happy ending, I have to agree with @greyjoy. GameZone should have made more researches before telling the world that they had all the rights they needed to start it up. If the project is back on track, they will have to go very far to get the backers’ attention back…
I’ll be there, though. But I must admit I’m a lot more nervous than I was when I jumped in…
I agree with you, but by not replying directly to the person, like you did to lordofexcess and me to you now, you imply everybody on this page, so the wrong people take offense, like me. If lordofexcess ment it like you say, I misunderstood, I appolegize and I even agree with you both.
No one called you “names” … and I was not directing my comments solely at you or honestly even this thread. At the time I made this post the net was abuzz with angry comments from people who were excited about Hero Quest and mad that it was going to be delayed or totally scuttled.
How does my comment prevent you from being free to talk about things? If I disagree with you, and logically point out a flaw in the anger being expressed over this I am preventing you from having an opinion? If that is the case how is your rebuttal any different?
People have opinions, and the internet is a terrible, terrible mix of those opinions. As we all know and despise many of those opinions are offered simply to argue, hurt, or lash out at the world … thanks to the relative anonymity the internet provides. Such is life in the modern era.
If you are offended by what I said that is your right, but I honestly didn’t mean to offend you personally, nor troll, nor act superior. I just was annoyed at the flippant attitude in general being tossed out there (by all the angry people who supported the project) about how intellectual property works and felt compelled to say something. TO me that is the spirit of which this thread was opened up in and I was just tossing in my devalued two cents.
If I ‘piss and moan’ then it’s because I would hate to miss the chance to play the game.
As far as I know moon design has no rights, they try to boycott the Kickstarter and scare people away, possibly try it themself now that they have seen how much people want to invest.
This is my opinion, made from the info I got.
People are entitled to their opinion on the internet.
Unless it happens to differ in which case it is immediately classed as hating, moaning, whining or similar.
Don’t forget that your differing opinion requires that your sources be cited… and any you cite are obviously biased or incorrect. My opinion, naturally, doesn’t require citation, but should I deem you worthy of one, my sources are beyond reproach and are “internationally recognized” as non-biased and accurate. At which point, you’re just a hater, whiner, or strangely dedicated to idiocy for not agreeing with me… which I’ll do my best to point out with the largest words I can find in my thesaurus.
😛
Gotta love the internet.
…and if your opinion happens to be that you like something others don’t, you’re immediately classed as a fanboy.
Also if someone makes an error it is not good protocol to simply point out and politely correct it
Rabid abuse, preferably including the word “retard”, is de rigeur.
they do have rights, they hold the trade mark for the name Hero Quest in the US
Honestly, there have been plenty of scams on Kickstarter and tabletop gaming hasn’t had one, yet, but really, this whole thing reeks of trying to grab money for something that never had a chance of being released. They didn’t secure to rights and obviously hadn’t done the legal legwork,so either they just assumed they’d get away with it or they were going to take all the money and then announce that they’re not allowed to send out the games in 12 months time
No gaming has had a few, most recently the Dice that someone was advertising that were just re-sold dice. KS or a backer spotted it! They actually did do the legal legwork as everything they’re doing is fine under EU trade law. They’re not legal experts and couldn’t have predicted the litigious nature of MD in twisting the spirit of the TM system to try and make a buck off someone else’s footwork.
Did you even read what MD said? They said they’d refused GZ permission, GZ asked and MD said no, you need to show us Hasbro are ok with this, GZ didn’t bother and went ahead anyway. Funding in Canadian Dollars through a US company, they’re in violation of a trademark, they knew they were doing it against MDs wishes but went ahead anyway, either because they’re stupid of their intention all along was for the project to be held up indefinitely with legal wrangling, meaning they never need to deliver it.
GZ are either arrogant or con artists.
Or, and I’m basing this merely on your complete mis-representation and legion of straw men, you don’t really understand international trade law and thus haven’t a clue what your on about. Just a possibility. Regardless I’ve no interest in engaging any further with you.
It’s perfectly clear, you’ve obviously not read anything about this. GZ were told what they’d have to do to be allowed to make this game, they didn’t bother and launched a Kickstarter campaign anyway, getting half a million Canadian dollars pledged by the community when they knew they’d not done what they’d need to do to release this game. Now either they’re stupid and arrogant and think they can do whatever they like or they thought this wouldn’t happen until after the Kickstarter was finished.
They have still not supplied any evidence that Hasbro has given them a license to make a Hero Quest game, they only have rights to the term Hero Quest in one country. That doesn’t mean they can then sell that to anyone around the world. Otherwise what would be the point?
If anyone can offer a different explanation as to what the hell Gamezone were thinking, I’d welcome it, but you haven’t and you can’t.
Explanation of the situation from the Moon Design perspective (BGG via Facebook). See earlier posts for GZ’s take on it. Seems that they did do their due diligence and MD are using essentially a technicality (KS being a US corporation) to protect their TM, which they’re perfectly right to do. However it must be asked as to why they’ve never bothered to do anything with it. Reads like a case of seeing a kid playing with a toy and suddenly wanting that toy yourself….
https://www.facebook.com/HeroQuestClassic/posts/173786562829263
Thank you for sharing this… It doesn’t look good for GameZone… And unless they provide every legal documents they need to prove they have all the rights to get this project back on track, I fear it just won’t happen…
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*Looks at Heroquest book that has been on his shelf for a few years now after it came out about ten years back*
Never done anything with it, you say?
GZ did not do their due diligence at all, based on the evidence currently available. That’s what this is all about. You need to slowly and carefully tick a number of boxes when engaging in an activity that may have a number of international IP issues. From the evidence on display they didn’t, got excited, launched it, and here we are.
This isn’t about MD simply chucking a tantrum. They asked Gamezone to produce evidence that they had approached Hasbro and gained permission. Without this, the door is open for Hasbro to open a can of whoop-ass.
Gamezone have not done so, suggesting they haven’t actually RECEIVED permission (at least outside of Spain). Because this entire project is based on it allegedly being a ‘Heroquest 25th Anniversary’ product, you need to have the IP licensed, not just the Spanish trademark.
If this is the case, MD are doing everyone a favour – better this gets resolved now, as opposed to letting it run along for months/years and then having it killed before anyone actually gets a copy and your money has already been spent.
This is all assuming that Gamezone does not have an agreement with Hasbro, a very, very silly thing to do when launching a product of this nature.
If they DO have an agreement, and are keeping it quiet for some reason, then this is a very different story and MD still are not in the wrong, GZ just needs to explain to its customers why this is the case.
I look at it this way, either Hasbro or Moon Design were stupid enough to sit on product and let it rot, at least Gamezone had the sense to realise its worth.
Have you not been reading? Moon Design haven’t let it rot. They bought a game out years ago, it is a system that has been used for a number of different settings. They are also planning on making a boardgame based in the main setting, Glorantha, which is one of the reasons why they are doing this. They are quite sensibly protecting their IP and doing due diligence, which it looks like Gamezone aren’t.
They made a game that made half a million in two days?
they didnt ‘made’ a game, they used a concept that made millions and repackaged it in a brand new box.
shame… that would have been nice to see an official 25th anniversary box coming next year.
I know I will not back the project even if/when MD agree to remove its C/D. I dont want my money to feed lawyers fees for years. and ending in a deadlock.
GZ hasn’t been transparent with their method to secure the rights to produce HW 25. Either they dont have a clue or they lied to us, either way, I am sorry to say that I am off this KS for good.
I was asking if moon design had “made” a game that made half a million.
there is no game, there are some renders and concept art that they could get together in a few weeks, there is no product made yet, they took the idea from another company, taking the idea, mechanics and nostalgia factor of that game and tried to capitalize on that to make some money, they also tried to use the name, which was since used by a different company to market their line of products in the same market.
They haven’t made anything, Moon Design have.
There is a game. AFAIK GZ have the licence to produce an existing board game.
This is the sort of thing that happens all the time in the industry.
If I have understood correctly, the fund raiser is to finance the newly designed parts for the game.
As much as I really wanted to back this project after reading the Statement from Moon Publishing and having not had any communications from GameZone for at least a week now, as well as the spainish Heroquest forums now being offline I do not trust this enough to stay with the campaign. Maybe if all this gets cleared up and they show that they are capable of producing the game I will sign back up with them but currently I do not have the confidence to give these guys my cash for a year – interest free.
I must also add that my confidence during the campaign was rather diminished before all this simply due to how poorly they were handling things, it was nearly 24hours before they even posted a single comment and more than that for there update. Questions were constantly ignored and the stretch goals were ridiculously spaced far higher than any project I had seen at least at such an early stage.
Instead I will be backing 12 Elements of War this Christmas which is being produced by a team of guys who are really giving there all into the project and showing true professionalism with running there campaign, answering every backer question that has been broached to them within a few hours.
Another thing that was poorly done (on the communication side) was the english translation… I sent them my observations everytime a text was posted (as a technical writer, I thought I could help the company look a little bit more professional by helping them) but they never did any of the corrections… It was like they didn’t really care…
IF the project gets back on track, they will have a lot to do just to win back the original backers. I was really enthusiastic at first but, having seen the disclaimer from Moon Design…
New comment on the official web site:
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/new-update-about-ks-paused-situation/#comments
What do you guys think?
Well we will see what happens but I doubt I will be reassured unless option 2 takes place, while option 3 would mean I wait for a general release and ignore the kickstarter. Option 1 would depend on a multitude of factors and possibly me as a consumer writing to all the companies that have ever had something to do with this IP to find out there stances.
I agree with Crimsonsun.
They are acually considering putting heroquest on kickstarter again after all this, without a written consent? Risky and it doesn’t feel good.
Didn’t they say in the interview that was translated from spanish they had contact with Hasbro and that everything was ok with them. They didn’t have this on paper, then?!
We’ll just have to wait and see.
Unlikely that they ever spoke to Hasbro then, seeing as they seem to think it would take weeks for them to get any confirmation that they’re allowed to do this, if they had done the work, they’d have secured this before they started the campaign as they made it appear they had.
Really anyone who gives this company their money should be aware that they might not get anything in return.
Last I heard they were putting it on a Spanish crowdfunding site.
As regards Ben Clapperton’s comment of 8/12/2013 22:24, I really don’t care if it’s funded by a Spanish firm or not. I don’t care if it’s funded by some nationality from some ultra obscure corner of the world that no one’s ever head of. So long as it gets translated in to English and is on sale in a store near me or on the interweb it could be manufactured in deepest darkest Mbotoland by Mbotoland games and I would still buy it such is it’s classic status. I wants it more than The one Ring to rule them all !
Oh dear, someone want’s a game and he wants it right now *tantrum*
If you have never heard of Spain my heart bleeds for you pal
What sort of education have you had? It seems rather lacking.
I would have loved the have heroquest, but I lost interest in it because of the crappy way they handeled us. I’m pledging for twelve elements of war and the support of the creator is awesome, the miniatures look awesome Plus I can play a wargame with it and also, with some tweaking, play the adventures fro HQ, decent,….
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/last-hour-project-update/
Last update, for now, this is turning out to be a bad Joke. :-S
I was written in the sky… Thank you, GameZone for the false hopes… I was one of the most enthousiastic when this thing began and now, I feel cheated. Oh well… More money for my other games, I guess…
Hope someone actually get’s this going , cause Hero Quest has got to be the first roleplay game I played so seeing it return would be too cool ! Come on someone make it happen!!
I think I can agree with a lot of the sentiments being uttered here. It would be so nice if Warhammer and 40-K armies came in a box all together and complete so you didn’t have to paint em’ or assemble them or model them to get what you wanted and it all came for a reasonable price. But that’s kind of half the fun of the hobby, the painting and the assembling , modelling converting and painting, each of which is a hobby in and of its self. I do remember a previous edition of the 40k rules that came with all the different army lists in the back, only for GW to follow the new book with individual army list books for each army to supersede the lists in the back of the book. One of GW’s great and numerous slaps in the face to their loyal fan base as those of us long in the tooth enough to remember numerous rules changes have come to expect. Which is a problem unless you have your own private gang of friends who all battle each other on a regular basis and who choose which edition of the rules suits them and which aspects of the rules they wish to disregard.
Sadly GW isn’t so hot on the board game front any more. Back in the day there used to be so many. Advanced Heroquest , Adv. Space Crusade , Talisman, Runequest, Oi Dat’s My Leg, or what ever the name of the game was that came with recorded music of snotlings or trolls or something singing songs? (I can’t remember it was so long ago. Even Space Hulk, Which was a BRILLIANT game isn’t in production any more. tut!
oh well…….. nice idea while it lasted. tut…
Well it made it to the end of the funding period on Lanzanos with over 1000% achieved. I will admit I went in, returning to the wargaming scene and one of my first games is up for an anniversary edition cfrowd funder….I’m in. However, the sites associated with the project, gamezoneminiatures.com and heroquestclassic.com, are now both giving “error 403 forbidden” responses after working fine at the weekend. I know there will be some “I told you so’s” from the cynical amongst us but does anybody know anything more?
gamezoneminiatures.com looks up from here. heroquestclassic.com is a 404 though.
I hope everyone who pledged gets what they paid for and there’s no more legal hassles once it all goes into production.
Ah, would you believe it, it’s up here as well now; that’s timing for you. I won’t be feeling comfortable until heroquestclassic is back as that’s where they were going to check the backers requirements from. I’m glad I followed the mantra of only back what you are prepared to lose.