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Weekender XLBS: Time for Another Studio? & Show and Tell!
November 23, 2014 by dignity
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Always wanted to say this…… FIRST
Lloyd is correct. Bane was created for a big storyline in the early 90s called Knightfall, in which he puts Batman out of commission for a while by breaking his back. The Dark Knight Rises incorporates that element into the movie (as well as drawing on another big 90s storyline called No Man’s Land). I tend to agree that time hasn’t been kind to the Burton movies and that even though they’re #notmybatman, the Nolan movies are much superior.
Which robot-chicken re-enacted several times in there DC special show.
As much as I hate to agree with Justin, I’m not feeling the hi-tech 21st century warfare idea.
Self replicating minis? So, I don’t get to build them.
Self moving models? No need to measure or move them myself.
Auto calculating LOS and hits? No need to roll dice or get a tape measure out.
That’s 90% of the hobby done, then.
Might as well just have Dawn of War running through a VR headset (which would be super-mega awesome!)
Get Ronnie in next week! Whee! 🙂
Why do you hate to agree with Justin?
Because it is more fun to just wind him up a little 😉
Because it’s just not right!
i see what you did there 🙂
Nice Batman and star wars books ! Love to see that rebel base table !
What do you get when you cross Johns love of tanks with Justins love of anime..?
Girls und Panzer… http://youtu.be/VAAnUqhKWZI
Damn. Where did the link go..?
Anyway. It’s Girls und Panzer.
http://youtu.be/VAAnUqhKWZI
I do love the Japanese, crazy ideas wonderfully executed.
I’ve also linked that clip several months ago. If I ever get into Tank War/Bolt Action my army will look like this.Yes, the colorful color scheme from the first few episodes.
I’ve even been looking where to get armed highschool girl minis. 🙂
Manks?
Lol
And I can feel John dieing a little inside whenever he see this. Lol
I love Girls und Panzer. Can’t take life seriously ALLL the time. 😉
But… but…
Lol. Fair enough. 🙂
Was that a typo john for girls on panzers? LOL
@johnlyons – your impression of Romain was pretty good. 🙂
“Here we have another of Justin’s miniatures that has shot himself in the head. . .”
You should hear my Warren. 😉
Actually you need to do the Romain “paint the hell out of it” as your new intro for when you are doing tank painting. 🙂
My god Warren, do you want Small Soldiers to become a documentary??!
He’ll yeah lol
stage two.
Just to say that even with quantum locking any
breeze (or someone knocking the table will cause the models
to move. It does not lock the superconductor in place but locks it’s position relative to the magnet.
quantum locking is know as flux pinning
Flux pinning is the phenomenon where a superconductor is pinned in space above a magnet.
The 2011 video shows this phenomena
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA
A video that is way more fun is this one.
Controlled Quantum Levitation on a Wipe’Out Track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqmdv5iyIOY
Can you build a game board with this !!!
The problem with Warren’s game idea is in the future they would most likely just project hologram tanks or miniatures onto the table that look so real the models are not needed.
It would just be like playing a computer RTS while wearing some sort of 3D virtual reality glasses. I do wonder what will happen to this hobby in the future.
Will hobbies even exist?! Maybe we become the hobbies to our new Robot Overlords!
A big part of the hobby is still building and painting though. Physical models may just as well still exist.
r…r…r…rrrobot overlords? 😮
Happy Sunday. Still in my jammies. Looking forward to Ronnie Renton next week.
Great bargain on the Batman book. Might go and see if there are any in my nearby TKMax. Have picked up some great Ancient Warfare and World War books for cheap in Bargain Books.
With Justin on this one
You don’t need the lasers?! @warzan You’ve been away too long, man! You *always* need lasers! 😀
As for what’s in my gaming library, there are a few Star Wars reference books (although for some reason, not that awesome cut-away set!) but mostly I have art books.. The Halo and Mass Effect books in particular are awesome if you want some inspiration for a paint scheme or a new piece of terrain.
Also, my offer to run a Star Wars RPG for you guys still stands!
Poor Bothans. 🙁
Once again for the uninitiated – Why aren’t lasers doing cool $h!t?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wecd5S2pr_Q
So whats with all the Terminator references?
I think that must be inside knowledge of a new Terminator film, with John doing the weathering effects on Arnie.
No, they need to make him look younger not older ;D
Glazing then…
Hey great to see you all together in a Weekender again. A decent combination of computer control, animatronics and model making would be awesome. Some model railroad displays working with kind of that technique. And there is a lot of new stuff introduced to the whole scale model part of our hobby. Would be awesome to see my Marines or Imperial Guard Tanks move around on the table. 🙂
Where did you get the cool tumblers Warren, me lad wants em?
Congrats on getting the little one home Warren, I can remember doing the daily hospital runs with my eldest (seven weeks early), it’s a great feeling when you finally get to bring them home. Nice to see those tanks progressing so well, looking forward to Tank Week,
Agree with Justin about robot models being pants would generally mean locked into larger scales for movement and power source and just wait to the day everyone forgets spare batteries and your army judders to a halt.
Tablets serving a GM function will probably happen there’s already an AI opponent random event with the X-Com boardgame using mobile phones.
In my Library for Fantasy/Scifi I pick up film/TV series guides and annual tie-ins which have supporting pictures. Even Calenders for airplanes and star trek can be great inspiration re-dioramas or themeing a force ideas.
For historical I tend to stick with Osprey guides… if it works don’t fix it!
Absolutely, @admiralandy . Osprey books are indeed the best. Great illustrations, even better maps, and detailed orders of battle. Nice and small, broken down into succinct, specific subjects. Have 20+, always on the prowl for more.
Hi Guys
check out Youtube vid by (artifexVFX) called (Continuum – Season 1 Visual Effects Reel) and 1min 43 into vid.
Justin is right.
Our hobby, as miniature wargaming, is defined as an, ideally, equilateral triangle, each point been a different hobby and each side connecting them together. Strategy gaming, lore research (fictional or historical) and modeling (including painting and assembly), because we do not live in an ideal world the triangle takes many shapes skewed over one direction or another for each of us, but it never gets like a flat line or worse, a point.
What you suggest is another hobby, definitely not wargaming and it struggles with indeed the simple question, why not play an RTS game, you will not appreciate the animatronics to begin with if you are concentrated real time on winning the game, you are bound to a pc game representing the table for the resolution and I am assuming the miniatures just exist for sentimental reasons to move around and do stuff alone? one can just cut the cost of having the animatronic miniatures and play a decent RTS on the first place.
This is not the direction our hobby needs to go or should go and definitely not the way we need to embrace the technology, if Exilis has demonstrated (and I am not convinced with Golem arcana) the hobby needs its intractability, otherwise why not just play a pc game?
We should utilize technology to enhance the 3 aspects of our hobby, “Google Glass” type of technology can give us a HUD type interface for our games and feed useful data like what dice rolls need to be made or the score of the game, victory conditions and other datafeed, like rules, something we do use now tablets for because they are more convenient than carrying books around (as long as power is available) likewise a wireless power transfer for gimmicky visual enhancement like the hovering models or for lighted terrain without needing of excessive wiring and batteries is intriguing, 3D printing brings an interesting question here as it can eliminate the need for assembling models and in the not so near future even painting them, would that be a huge paradigm shift on our hobby? will the painter side die out or be left to the very few who want better than the average models or customized ones? or will the move simply be an unpopular one and not be pursued as some shifts t pre painted miniatures for example by the big red R have shown?
Great show guys great articles brilliant paintwork on the tanks john.
Agree with @zorg . Comics and 40K and anime and all that are well and good, and interesting to watch, but historical gaming (especially with tanks, but not exclusively) is still the reason I subscribe to BoW. 😀
I promise that if I win myth I’ll run round in me jammies 🙂
When I first got the open fire box set, we did the whole bootcamp thing and started out with just the tanks. Very quickly without a limit on turns and infanryto prevent it every game ended with the shermans circling round and round the stugs.
As for books too many to mention and like a lot of you more Ospreys than you can shake a stick at.
@warzan if you like your Waterloo companion then you may want to look out for the Trafalgar companion a beautiful book.
Another flaw with tiny robotic/animatronic miniatures is that any attempt to paint them would void the warranty, with paint and washes gunking up their tiny articulated parts.
With no building, no painting, not physically moving them, and (gasp!) no dice rolling, it’s just too shocking to contemplate. I’d retreat into Oculus WoW, with motion tracked weapon and sensory codpiece.
Another great XLBS. Being Furied up (see Fury 3 times) ready for surprise Armoured Fury game purchase. (Surprise for wife that is) and still smashing on with IG 40k retro army (all 90s lead models).
Funnily enough, I managed to experience the “Dance of Death” in a game of 3rd edition 40K. It was at one of their GT’s many, many moons ago and my Raptor Space Marines were lined up against a bunch of CSM’s. Somehow though we got to the situation where one table quarter was being contested by the loan tanks on our forces: his Rhino and my Heavy Bolter-equipped Razorback, and it just became daft as we frantically tried to manouver into the others rear-arc to our guns had a hope in hell of getting through the armour with our anti-infantry weaponry.
There was just something hilarioosuly funny about these two machines franticlly circling each other whist blasting away with woefully ill-suited guns. We were both in stitches and purposely left their actions till the end of our respective turns for added drama 🙂
-sighs- I do miss 3rd edition.
Talking of hazardous material we use, superglue was originally invented during the Vietnam War as a quick way to seal wounds. The NHS use a similar substance to superglue to seal some cuts.
I would agree that an extra video edit suite would useful, having the ability to edit more video would make life easier. As a freelance video camera op & editor, post production can be the longest aspect of making video/TV/film..
Great show as always Gents
Agree with Justin 100 percent on this one. Sounds so unappealing that I feel completely unmoved by the prospect, to be honest I hope to hell it doesn’t. In a nutshell it all is so completely against what the hobby is in my opinon, it is all taking it in a direction of making it more ‘real’ whereas that aim is unneeded as that is what ‘imagination’ is for. If you can’t enjoy tabletop and can only see the minis as minis then why not play pc games.. I enjoy playing pc games but I see that and tabletop as two very distinct things.
The reason you don’t see the dance of death is that the movement systems in current games are way too granular.
You’d basically need phased movement like in Car Wars or Starfleet Battles to get that. If you just increase movement rates, what you get is someone wins initiative, zooms right behind the other guy, shoots him in the back, game over — essentially reducing the game to “who wins the initiative roll?”
P.S. You could probably get the monolith to levitate with rare earth magnets using a special base if you don’t fancy magnetizing your entire table.
Wow this would be another big expansion of the BoW community. More equipment and more room to do more work will be great when it is time to expand. The way you have all gone about your work for the last year has been great. I have watched a lot of the first go round before the move to England, your time there and of course the last year. You guys are doing a great job so keep up the good work and don’t let any of the naysayers get in your way! As you can see the BSers even support Justin every once in a while. 🙂
Getting super excited for tank week. I miss commanding tanks 🙂 Death Before Dismount! Looking forward to it!
Lloyd. Tank paint schemes don’t “pop”. That’s kinda the point.
Happy (late) Sunday!
I don’t see happening any of your future predictions. I would not play miniatures games so complex where I could do same thing on screen of computer. I only see it as holograms moving on table. and hoover models? seriously?
Polystyrene is fine to cut on a laser cutter (well, as fine as using a hot wire or soldering iron anyway). The material you definitely shouldn’t cut on a laser is PVC. When burned the PVC releases chlorine gas which not only smells bad but will kill you very dead. Also when the chlorine gas mixes with moisture in the air, it makes another wonderful substance.. hydrochloric acid. Not good for anything it comes into contact with, especially the delicate parts of your laser cutter (and your body).
Any resin or plastic, when melted, will give off some form of vapour. This is because of some of the other additives in the material that are going to be small aromatic molecules. With the melting with the pin, it will burn a bit, and so breaks down the long chain molecules.
And you are right, a laser, because laser light is highly focused energy, will break down molecules into smaller components, and vapourize it.
The difference between a Resin, and HIPS, is that HIPS is solid because the long polymer chains, being organic molecules, are attracted to each other, and get all tangled up, and so for the solid that we know. So heating it up will allow up to push these tangles of molecules out of the way. The Resin gets the rigid form because one type of long chain organic molecule has react with another type (curing process) to for the final solid product. This final product is more crystaline in nature and so is why it more brittle (crystals have shearing planes at the molecular level). Heating the resin allows you to gently modify the structure, but heating I doubt will have the same effect as on a plastic to make hole etc. More than likely you will burn it more that you would a HIPS.
Book wise, thanks to my wife’s own collection, is mainly books on ancient history, horror, and art books for the batman films, plus some more stuff. But then my own digital rpg collection is pretty big.
what about Predator, Arnie was good in that!!
Cracking show as always gents.
On the terrain chemical foobars, I once hit wet superglue with hotglue. To say my eye stung would be an understatement! Love the idea of a Hoth table, can’t wait to see what you come up with.
As far as books go Weta has put out 2 books per film for the Hobbit ,great reference background, concept art, scenery. The tablet tied in wargame sounds good to me . How many people wanted the star wars chess set when they saw that scene in the movie. The figures were there they moved them then they took over,great
I think the game where I had the most fun with the “dance of death” was in battlefleet gothic, trying initiate full broadsides with the imperials and using my eldar to sneak round the back of cruisers and unleash a payload of torpedoes. Orks just ramming everything, good laugh.
A First class XLBS. Nice to have Warren back as a guest. Great show guys, keep up the good work.
good show as always, but are we actually going to get any W40K or WHFB coverage?
I think a second video suite would be a great idea. Thinking of building and dismantling rigs vs having two permanent setups, in my opinion the temporary rigs probably suited you earlier on but if you are having to miss potential content because of it I think if funds allow it by all means build a second set. With the time saved you could potentially increase your video output 3 fold. With more content you could take more risks on more left field content (Comics, films, Anime.) all wargaming related. For example if you decided to focus on the batman game from night models you could do a feature on the history of batman and how it relates to the models and game.
I think more 40k stuff would be interesting for me as I am a lapsed 40k player and to be honest the whole game just seems so inaccessable to me.
The second studio and bringing everyone together seems like a good piece of lean managment from you guys and I think it will do you well.
Warren — Actually it is an asteroid in space, a meteor when it hits the atmosphere and a meteorite if it makes to the ground.
Be careful. Before you know it the guest will take over the show. 😉
Good luck with the new studio. Looking forward to see what it will bring.
great show ! cant wait for more tank wars stuff . can you guys do a tank wars battle report ??