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Bavarian Infantry Marching Forth From Victrix Soon
October 22, 2021 by brennon
Victrix Limited won't be turning up at Salute this year but they have been showing off more of their Napoleonic range with some 28mm Bavarian Infantry. A big new plastic set is on the way!
Bavarian Infantry // Victrix Limited
There are going to be all manner of interesting options within this set. You will be able to build fifty-eight figures that can be broken down into attacking and firing line figures as well as those marching forward. You will also find two command frames in the pack that come with a mounted officer or colonel and loads of other standard options.
Bavarian Infantry // Victrix Limited
The idea behind this kit is that it has been designed to give you some really detailed plastic troops for one of the more neglected Napoleonic nations. There are lots of great options in here for making marching troops or more dynamic soldiers that are in the midst of the action. I like that you've got a lot of them reloading, aiming and firing at will.
It's neat to see more folks looking to expand the options for the Napoleonic era and I imagine a lot of people are going to be snapping these up when they finally release in the next few months.
Bavarian Infantry Command // Victrix Limited
If you're interested in checking out more of these Bavarians then you can head on over to their blog where they showed off the way that the sprues have come together and more individual units. It does seem like a great way to bulk out a Bavarian force.
Are you tempted to snap up these plastic miniatures?
"It does seem like a great way to bulk out a Bavarian force..."
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Very nice, look forward to getting these even if I don’t play Napoleonics.
I am currently painting up 1/72 Bavarians, but these are sooooooooo much nicer. Maybe in a year or two when I start playing Sharp Practice again, I might build a Bavarian force. The Lardies have a free army list for them – iirc.
Or maybe I might get a sprue off ebay when they come out and build a Bavarian team for The Silver Bayonet.
Given the variety in the set, I’d say it’s almost a perfect Army in a Bag for Sharp Practice.
Lardies army list of Sharp Practice, for reference for anyone looking for it
https://toofatlardies.co.uk/bavarian-army-lists-for-sharp-practice/
Can’t wait for these to come out, they teased them what felt like years ago and will be a really nice addition to the Napoleonic range, and a first in plastic at 28mm.
The mounted commander is a really nice touch in the victrix kits so great to see this continued.
No details on pricing yet but I suspect these might be at their new higher price similar to the normans (£38) rather than matching their older Napoleonic pricing (£25), even so these really are fantastic value still, considering the range of figure variety, the quality of victrix sculpting and casting and the fact you get 58 of them!
@brennon it’s actually a 58 figure set, which can make a 36 man march attack unit with command and there will be 16 figures in firing positions plus 4 command and 2 mounted colonels.
Actually, a correction, Hat Industrie (who usually make 1/72nd scale kits) made some Bavarians in 28mm around 2009, though in the softer plastic they use.
http://www.hat.com/current28.html
I have actually had the opportunity to inspect the Hat ones up-close and they are not as good as these though. I think the mounted officer is a new thing for Victrix?
Yeah the hat ones still have the 1/72 scale look to them, shame as I have fond memories of the old Hat kits, they seem to have dropped the 28mm line around 2010, I guess they just don’t have the right tooling or sculpting expertise to suit it vs the hard plastic sets.
The Austrian sets have the mounted officer, which really is a nice touch as you can add them into the units or use them separately as commanders.
They look great love the sharp shooters? looking as if they’re up on a ridge/wall picking off people as they struggle to get to them.
Highly detailed and a great addition to napoleonics
I just wish Victrix would do these (and basically their whole catalogue) in 15mm. There once was a time when 15mm was THE popular scale and the reasons for so still stand today. I just don’t have the table space to do a mass battle game in 28mm, and for most 28mm means “skirmish” level games like Sharpes Practice.
But for me Naps means MASS battles and refighting the historical battles of the day. Now I don’t know who is going to break the barrier first for 15mm Naps. It could be Warlord with their “weird” insistence on 13.5mm scale figures, but if a company like Victrix started to release them in 15mm (granted you would have to make them more one piece, which would probably mean you would lose the skirmishing poses and the bag would just be marche attack with command), they could really steal the show away from Warlord (and you would have plastics that would mix/match with existing 15mm metal ranges).
Gamers would probably buy a load of 15mm Nap plastics (frankly my go to company AB miniatures prices have rocketed since being sold to Eureka and they have further increased prices since they started the UK/EU shop to a point they cost the same as Perry METAL minis in 28mm!!!!!!!!).
15mm dropped in popularity when the cheap 28mm plastics came out, but back when just metals were available 15mm became popular for pricing, but mainly so that you could fit bigger battles onto your tabletop. If cheaper 15mm plastics came available, I’d expect that perhaps a similar shift would happen again (It’s just at the moment the nicer more detailed 15mm metal minis cost almost the same as 28mm plastics these days, so gamers buy the plastics in 28mm).
But mass battles is the way to go with Naps, but very few gamers can fit a 28mm scale game onto the table space they have available (which is why the mass battle games have dropped in popularity).
It is an interesting idea, that victrix’s range is digitally sculpted (or at least a lot of it is) would facilitate them rescaling them reasonably easy in theory, but I think the reality is they would need resculpting, things like the size of weapons and bayonets would probably be hard to cast once scaled down to allow the injection process to work.
When warlord brings out their Epic Waterloo set it will inevitably revive some interest in the smaller scale Napoleonics but I think 28mm is here to say for the foreseeable as the main scale. Economically it’s going to be hard to make plastics for that scale with the investment costs required, even British and french at waterloo needs at least 2 sprue molds at huge upfront cost. 28mm is also quite an easy cross over scale from people coming from the likes of Bolt Action or dare I mention 40k.
Having got in my first game of black powder last weekend I was actually surprised how playable it was on a 6×4 with about 12 units on each side. Yes it felt a bit cramped but it flowed fine and we could happily have scaled it down a bit to make it more playable in the space.
Well it’s no secret that Warlord are planning on doing some Naps in their “Epic” scale (so probably in strips like the ACW releases), they even did a poll sometime back asking what two armies you would like to see (presumably for a starter set). Problem is it’s going to be 13.5mm scale (I loath them for being an asshat in doing such a weirdass scale), and the only other manufacturer that you can get minis that roughly match the scale are from Kallistra (12mm), but although they have ACW minis they don’t do Naps (so Warlord are going to be the ONLY supplier for this scale. And although the ACW starter set was good value, the other units/minis are VERY expensive given the scale (a bit of a bait and switch when it came to the pricing).
I think it might be do-able, after all 20mm minis aren’t that far off in scale and PSC do plastics ancients (with spears etc) in that thermo plastic resin they use. I think the main difficulty would be you couldn’t have multi-part plastics in 15mm (so no separate arms or heads like they do with their 28mm), so there would be restrictions in poses.
Problem I’ve had with playing 28mm massed battle Nap games on your usual 6×4 table is that you basically end up with two linear “walls” of miniatures (with no space for flanks to develop). But although it’s fine for a basic game, trying to do a refight of even the smaller actions becomes almost impossible. I’ve seen many a 28mm game where you had two “walls” of figures with no room to even form your battalions in line. That was fine if you had a table the size of Mr Gilders (at the old Wargames Holiday Centre) at 18 feet, but even then there was a tendency for the table to just full of figures with no room to manover.
15mm is where you start to be able to fit in a battle on a 6×4 table and have room to manover (and form lines), but even then I remember playing a club “weekend” game of Leipzig with 5000 figures on the table (which was a U shape 18 feet by 12 feet) and even then it was cramped. I’ve no idea how you would even fit in even one flank of Leipzig on an 18 foot table with 28mm figures (at a figure ratio of 1:20) and with the larger ranges needed for musketry and artillery.
Since the 90s basically all periods ended up being “upscaled” with plastic miniatures. The only modern producer of 15mm being Battlefront for WW2 and Moderns (when it’s probably better to play the games using 6mm instead on a 6X4 table). Likewise the Battlefront game suffers from lack of space on a table of this size with games also have two linear “walls” of tanks facing each other (with no deployment in depth).
I have noticed a trend perhaps beginning to form with manufactures starting to dip their toes back into doing the smaller scales. We’ve been playing the same games (basically skirmish level games) for the past 15-20 years now (and perhaps gamers are feeling the urge to do mass battle games again). Will this happen, I dunno. But I do feel that the first manufacture to produce a broad range of even two armies in 15mm in plastics (if they don’t charge silly prices from them like Warlord did, which basically stalled/stopped the growth of the range after the initial sales of the starter sets for their Epic range) could end up with a run away product line that proves popular (a lot of gamers these days are so used to plastics, they also don’t want to deal with metal miniatures in ANY scale as well)
The high costs of metal was the reason I did not start my armies in 15mm. To build the army I wanted to build would have sent me way over-budget. But I did find a ‘solution’ in 1/72 scale. The figures are still as cheap as chips and the quality has improved a lot.
The Strelets range of British and Bavarians are very good and characterful for their price range, and I have high hopes for their French in summer uniform. Also the French Light infantry of the Hat range is very good.
You might have a problem with uniforms depending on what period of the Napoleonic Wars you enjoy, but I have learned to close an eye and not be such a stickler to detail – focusing more on gameplay and spectacle rather then minutiae (Burn me I’m a heretic!).
My French army is nearly ready, I just have one last Cuirassiers unit to complete and one more camp site to build and paint up. Then I will post them in the projects page.
The 1/72 scale is a bit of a compromise I know, I prefer 15mm or 10mm, but I guess it is what it is. The advantage though is that – with all these small scales – depending on how you base them, you can play several different systems and at several different levels (army to large skirmish).
To be honest, I am waiting and saving up for a 3D printer ( maybe in two years or so), then I will make and print my own armies at my preferred scales (10mm Star Wars and HH I’m looking at you).
Bavarians were the only thing that could have tempted me to do another force for Sharp Practice.
These look great.
I do really like the Victrix ranges – I have lots and I much prefer plastics to metal