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Check Out The Total Extinction Kickstarter Funding Now!
October 24, 2013 by brennon
If you're interested in the age old struggle between humanity and aliens then Total Extinction might be the Kickstarter for you. These guys from Sentinel Games are looking to fund the models, rulebook and campaign for this pretty ace looking game.
Above you can see the Captain pledge level which includes some pretty impressive looking miniatures for both the Colonial Marines and the Glorlon aliens.
The game itself plays with either a quick skirmish slant or on a mass battle scale meaning that it should be fun to see it played at varying levels. The system itself is said to be intuitive and uses cards, much like with Warmachine, so you don't need to consult the rulebook all the time. Perfect!
It all looks very promising and you can learn more about the system itself by heading over to their Kickstarter page but here is a little sample of what they are working with...
"To determine the ability and power of a unit or its weaponry we have chosen a system based on multiple types of dice: the more sides a dice has, the more probable the success is. Thus, we roll a D6 (a dice of 6 sides) to cause damage with an assault rifle AR9 of the Colonial Army. Meanwhile we roll a D10 (a dice of 10 sides) to cause damage with a Glorlon Neural Disruptor as it is much more powerful.
This system of different dice allows us to carry out rolls of weapons with different power, or rolls of abilities with different values all together: this way we can roll for damage with assault rifles (D6) and RPG (D12) all at the the same time, and the result will be easily find out by comparing the dice to the armour of the target."
The game is certainly looking like it could be on the right track and it does have some very nice renders indeed. We will be keeping an eye on this one.
What do you think?
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This deffo has a nice old school look about it, art and mini’s wise IMO. Looks pretty good and worth backing.
I feel that we are in a renaissance of sci fi miniatoures wargaming, I like this trend and I really want to see as many companies and games succeed on this field.
I actually worry we are on a bubble. I are seeing so many new games coming out so quickly and I don’t know if the fan base is expanding at an equal pace. Players can afford only so many games and if can be hard to find games that aren’t 40k or Warmahodes.
The game looks great and I want them to do well, but every new kickstarter has me thinking about this.
Interesting thoughts on ‘the bubble’ I do wonder how that works, because bubbles are usually artificially supported, either through deep loans or pyramid type schemes.
But I don’t see any of that kind of influence or foundation in our industry, just people buying what they like 🙂
Our danger is not bringing in enough new blood though…
Agreed we need more people in this hobby, they provide new insight, experiences, and of course new people to play against.
Maybe bubble is the wrong word. But I can’t help but think about the new player who wanders into a store or online and finds a sharp looking game and buys into it. Then they find that for whatever reason no one else plays it locally or it isn’t properly supported by the parent company. It’s not hard to imagine this new player becoming jaded at the money spent without a great deal of return in game play and writes off the
hobby.
Or what about the aspiring game designer who instead of putting in time with the big guys and learning the ropes goes immediately out on their
own. They get a printer, some sharp concept art, and a cool angle and then hit KS. There are 1000 ways they can (innocently) fail and flame out of the industry. That could have been the next great game designer we just lost.
Now granted, every big game was first a small game, and without small games we will never have any new big games. Additionally new games help grow and evolve the industry. But is rapid expansion best for hobby and industry? I’m not saying it is
not saying it isn’t, I don’t have the answers, just a lot of thoughts.
TL, DR: I really hope these guys succeed become wildly successful, and make a great game we all enjoy.
These are two separate issues.
The hobby to be healthy needs influx of new people, theoretically the more the genres in the hobby get diverse and healthy the more options a new player will have to find at least one to attract him.
The sci fi genre in the hobby had for the most part of my wargaming life been the underdog, were companies always said there is no interest and go to the safe harbors of fantasy, I specifically commented on this the explosion of companies doing sci fi the last few years is a breath of fresh air for the genre and shows that they realized there is a player base untapped waiting for good sci fi games.
You do bring up a couple of good points. With all the nice shiny out there it is hard, if not impossible, to get into everything. And that is just buying the stuff, never mind the time it takes for assembly, painting, money for storage, etc.
I’ve pretty much committed myself to just Bushido at the moment although I’ll be giving Godslayer a try this weekend and if I’ll like it I’ll squeeze it in as well. I also want to try Saga but beyond that I have to forget about getting into anything new until I’m comfortable with what I have for the games I am actually playing.
The other problem with KS games is that it is a bit hard to tell just how much support they will get once the crowdfunding is over. If the game does not get enough support beyond the initial KS crowd you could easily see the company folding up once the KS dollars/pounds/euros dry up. I backed Warzone Resurrection pretty big and I’m a little afraid that there won’t be enough interest once the game actually gets released to keep it going for very long.
Yep, that is the downside with Kickstarter, if everyone who is remotely interested in the game buys it through that and gets all the models they need, not only has the company got nowhere left to go for revenue for a while, there is nothing for hobby shops either, and it is those who are needed to spread a game.
Its why I prefer to buy stuff over the counter (or even through a website) of an actual shop when the stuff is in retail, yes its a more expensive way to do it but I kind of like my hobby shops and they need that bit of profit to keep going.
Mantic seem to have the balance right with dreadball, which I’m told has been one of the best selling games of the year at my new local shop, and I’m planning on buying deadzone when its on the shelves too,
On topic, the minis do look nice, those human troops are very very good indeed.
Looks nice, but its just another sci-fi game with Imperial Guard models, nothing original here unfortunately.
Atleast they look like Imperial guard without the heroic dwarf-body-syndrome 😉
Agreed, plastic Imperial Guard are pretty awful. Having said that, I won’t use these as Imperial Guard proxies as they look too near future modern and not enough far future grimdark to me. They are quite nice models though.
I really lke the looks of these!!
Some people may be interested in the models mainly when they back a project, so dilution of interest may not be an issue. Ofc I understand yojr viewpoint Rocket and you may well be proved correct, only the future will tell and if friends of backers also like the game anything could happen. Personally love minis and will back anything if the models are great, hehe.
Now if we could.just get plastic models in Colour Wars. Lol
I agree with @broadside that the adaptability of models can take a bit of the risk out of backing a project, where you don’t know if you’ll like the game. These could be used in the Mantic or another company’s universe and the marines could be used in MERCs as well. With a lot of interesting sci-fi games coming out there are tons of opportunities to get lots of different games but recycle the figures if you don’t like the game.
Why do people have to compare a new Sifi range to GW. I for one don’t think these look anything like imperial guard but are more like the Pig Iron range or a bulky version of hackislam from Corvus Bellie. It seems that more and more miniature designers are feeling confident enough to move away from the established GW gothic “milk cow” and bring us something new. This has to be a good thing for the industry as it will encourage potential gamers who do not find the Imperial design to their taste. (Ps I am not a GW hater, I enjoy playing their games and have a very large collection of their models).
It’s not the style of the mini’s (although the Aliens are new) it’s the concept, more humans with a bit of body armour and guns, everybody is doing them now.
Has a pretty similar look to AT-43 ,which is no bad thing.
I am getting sick of nothing being released these days tho.there are so many good games on kickstarter but by the time im gonna be able to play them ,i’ll have forgotten about them or lost interest.
i suppose kickstarter does stop a bubble happening ,since things don’t get released unless they have already been brought ,so there isn’t going to be much build up of unwanted stock, and a fanbase will already be established for expansions.
Argh! Just when you thought it was safe to go back to Kickstarter…
The aliens bring back sort of Invid vibes, I like them.
To be brutally honest: Personally I don’t much care if the game lives or dies — I will most probably not play it anyway. I’m in this for the miniatures, I will adapt some other rules, possibly of my own making, for them.
On a larger scale, yes, it seems improbable that all these new games will enjoy much longevity at least in growing commercial sense.
I really don’t think “continued support” is necessary for a game to thrive. That’s more of a commercial thing, planned obsolescence and forced renewal to generate more sales. In the historicals there are very few games with proprietary miniature lines and many which have not seen a new publication since the rules came out — yet they continue to be played.
It all depends on what you really want from the hobby. If you want to find opponents (with their own stuff) anywhere and tournaments to grow (with a hint of real prize money), yes, fragmenting is a bad thing. It’s those darn checkers and othello players that ruined the livelihoods of honest chess masters…
If you want lots options, more games and more miniature lines and more people in the hobby… this is all good. I just hope these companies also have sustainable business plans instead of just “go big or go bust”.
Honestly, I am pessimistic about this, and I share the thoughts above about the “bubble”. In this particular case, the bubble is basically the result of treating Kickstarter as a preorder system. Due to it’s very nature, a whole lot of people have supported a whole more games that they will ever play, which is the crux of the problem for the wargaming scene. Kickstarter makes every new shiny look like a great deal, but I suspect that in the next year, when all of them will land, only the most sucessful of them are ever going to see game time.
For example, I live in central london, and I am still having trouble finding Kings of War games, and that was the first big wargaming kickstarter, with 350k on it, and a very experienced company behind it… I shudder to think having to find games for kickstarters that had any less than that. Frankly, I ever worry about my Wrath of Kings KS, which got over 720k. When looking for viable wargames that last a long time and with a lot of players, I think we’ll need to be looking into 1m and above… which is sad, and limiting, but it is what it is.
Unless ofcourse you already have a player group and dont particularly care about expanding, which I tend to do, or in it for the models.
I certainly dont think that another somewhat generic looking sci fi wargame, which looks to be going for a 100k support or so, will really offer much to people, wargame wise. Particularly since bigger names are going all out with supporting new sci fi systems of simular concept, like Dropzone Commander, Spartan’s new game etc. Which is the same, cause the models themselves look great. The somewhat sloppily edited video and slightly amateur art does not help.
Of all the miniatures game Kickstarters I’ve backed… I backed every single one of them for the miniatures with little to no intention of ever playing the game attached to them.
It is far easier to see that what the minis will be like compared to the game.
And I have zero problems using them for some other game, unlike some people.
I’m so ridiculously happy to see a FLOATING non-humanoid alien race, so I might get in on this game to support them, they also remind me of one of my fave sci-fi alien races – the vorlons of babylon5. I also see space commies! both good things IMO.
With kickstarter games. You need to create your own player base at your LGS. Start of with a few games. Then people will start to notice. I mysself did this with dreadball. I started playing a few matches. At the end of november i am starting up a league with 10 different teams and might grow to 12 without me participating. So for kickstarter playerbase i would say create it yourself. Hopefully i can do the same with deadzone 🙂
I play mostly historicals and “eccentric games” and I don’t do tournaments at all.
In those circles it is quite common that a single person prepares the entire game, models, terrain, rules, everything.
I used to hate this when I played with primarily non-miniature gamers because it meant I prepared everything, all the time.
But since then I’ve joined a circle of likeminded gamers and changed my mind about this. We set up games for each other. This week I played two games set up by other people, next week it might be my turn to set up a game.
I’m beginning to think this might actually be a preferable way to set up games. At the very least it’s much easier to set up scenarios when you don’t have to worry about what models the other guys have.
These Anti-Air tanks look awesome!! Not only that though, but it would strongly suggest flyers! 😀
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I love their vehicles, their new AA tank is amazing.
This games looks AWESOME!! Damn them and their cool miniatures. BoW is a pit of evil temptation. I need more money…. wonder what I could get for a kidney??
Attractive minis. The armoured vehicles are ‘different’. Lots of details that should paint up very well on the figures and the vehicles. The aliens are, well, alien, in that quasi-invertebrate/living machine milieu.
I love the tanks, I have plenty of armies that will love them, but more importantly the aliens give us scifi gamers some much needed options for various games.
I still play a homebrew of Starship Troopers, and these guys will make a great alternative race.
They remind me of Cthulu… with a Gun.