More Laughable HeroClix Covenant
September 2, 2011 by dracs
WizKids have got some new Covenant miniatures for their Halo HeroClix range. Take a look at these.
As you can see there hasn't been much of an improvement.
What do you all think of these? Is there any redeeming features to them?
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I can only conclude that Bungie used to have *some* input on the Halo clix stuff (the old range was not great but still better than this) but now it’s all about MS, they will green light any lump of disfigured plastic that WizKids show them!
Microsoft brought the francise off Bungie a few years ago (before they brought bungie).
bungie brought back thier independace two/three years ago but left the Halo francise with Microsoft.
Halo: Reach was thier Swansong, 343 Industries who made halo wars (the RTS) are making the new Halo games from now on.
Sorry, big Halo fan…343 Industries did NOT make Halo Wars, Ensemble Studios did. 343 Industries has thus far only been responsible for Halo Waypoint and some DLC for Halo Reach. Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary will be 343’s first real, full game, but even then, that’s only a re-make. We will get an actual taste of 343’s ability with Halo 4. But yes, 343 will be making the Halo games from now on.
I once bought the Master Chief/Arbiter Halo 3 Target pre-order Haloclix from Amazon at a low price for the express purpose of re-painting them and putting them in a diorama. The Arbiter miniature was just plain bad, and ruined the diorama I created (modeled after the Halo 3 poster that came with the game). The Master Chief miniature, however, was pretty good, and I put him on his own base.
AAARGH!! MY EYEEES!!!!!! IT BUUURNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Elite looks a littttttle bit better, but ah well.
That Jackal looks like a chicken. Also, I threw up in my mouth a little….
Elite is not too bad while Jackal looks kinda meh. Its nothinhg to write hoke about althought its not worst figure so far either.
Damn typo. It was meant to be “home”, not “hoke”.
PS: there really needs to be time limited edit option.
Why are these even appearing on the site?
They’re substandard lumps of tat, aimed at the tween Yu-gi-oh and Bayblade market, or at best older Halo otaku.
Not trying to have a go at you personally Sam, I just don’t get it.
Perspective. If you only see brilliant models you get complacent. When you have these offerings to compare then it puts things in perspective.
I have to strongly dis agree with the title of this artical. THese are not laughable, but down right sad.
The chicken appears to be aiming the large retractable craftknife.
But To aim he would have to do that avian quizzical look by turning the head, due to their eyes being in the side of the head,
Do the stats take this into account? It’s hard to aim straught when bobbing the head around.
There’s a lot of hecktoring going on and while these aren’t what we’re seeing form other companies we don’t know what financial, business or time constraints the sculptors were working to, and, if we could be honest without ourselves, could we do any better?
I’m not praising these, nor getting at the diatribe – we’re all entitled to an opinion – just trying to calm the mockery of someone’s work, that’s all.
Why does it matter what “financial, business or time constraints” they had? I have a limited budget to spend on my hobby, so I want the best I can get. These models are almost £2 each, and they are a long way from acceptable quality, IMO (and seemingly the opinion of many others too).
Nor is it even slightly relevant to ask whether anyone who has criticised them could do better. I am not a professional sculptor, but it is obvious to me after 40 years of playing with models soldiers when something is not well made. If I see a mouldy apple I don’t need to be a tree to say it’s gone off.
While there maybe severe limitig factors placed on the sculptors, that is no excuse for sub par work being endorsed or encouraged by the company.
I don’t care either if they are aimed at 5 year olds. There are plenty of quality toys aimed at youngsters.
These are just plain shodd and daft and do a great diservice to all involved, as well as prepainted models in general. This is not good for the image of Clix type models which should have a place in the gaming market imho
These are figures based on a lucrative, popular franchise. If I were the guys that created Halo I would be cringing at the poor level of quality.
Good I do better. In all modesty probably yes, If the designers are under pressure then their bosses are culpable of poor planning.
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, focusing on the quality of the sculpts in comparison to the quality of sculpts for table top miniature games is making a pretty big category error.
These aren’t miniatures to be assembled, based and painted by the owner, with lovingly crafted details painted on and unique modifications. They are a collectible for a competitive, blind booster based game.
Not to mention, these figures are being sold 5 to a booster at $11.99, so $2.20 each. A price point below even the cheapest plastic kits Games Workshop offers… and that overlooks that GW doesn’t sell minis, they sell the components of miniatures. These come assembled, painted, with a multipart moving base that contains a printed dial (with the figure’s stats) and a printed stat card. Oh, and of course, a license fee paid to the owner of the individual IPs.
As an aside, WizKids does occasionally produce some pretty good sculpts, for examples take a look at the recent release of Street Fighter clix: I would stack Akuma against any single figure GW has put out in the last few years.
Well let’s compare them to DUST Tactics models then. DUST models come in at a similar price (or more or less depending – the boxes vary in cost), pre-assembled and primed. You take them out and play with them as they are. You could repaint them, but then you could repaint the clix too, so that’s irrelevant. The sculpting and detail on the models shown here is nowhere near as good as the DUST models. As you mention it, most GW models are better too, as are most Infinity models, etc. If the GW or Infinity ones cost more then you have that choice to make: quality or cost, but the cheapness of a product does not make it any better, nor excuse it’s shoddy manufacture.
Sure, the clix come with a fancy base, but that’s not what is being critiqued here. The modelling of the figure itself is simply not as good as many other items we see offered. Why is that a hard thing to accept? That judgement stands outside the original intention of the piece, what it is made of, who made it, what they had for lunch, whether their granny has Alzheimers or anything else. It’s a judgement of the sculpt as offered for sale. Whether it is worth the money, fit for purpose, whether clix is a good game or not are all worthwhile but different questions, and don’t really have any impact on the issue of quality of the sculpt itself.
I’ve not seen the Akuma model, though what I have seen of the clix suggests that the quality is variable, so there’s no reason to believe that the range doesn’t have some great models in too. Just not these ones.
Quite
As I have said on another of these discussions, the LoTR collectibles look like they are based on the Perry Bothers GW sculpts. While of course the quality is not as good as the metal models, they are acceptable for what they are and look like what they are supposed to represent.
My point seems to have gone over your head (pretty evident when two of the most costly features are disregarded as “not what’s being critiqued here”): I’m not saying that the sculpt is well done, I’m saying that if you’re evaluating the sculpts against their peers, you should have an idea what their peers are.
DUST sculpts are actually another great example of something with considerably less value added to it at a higher price point (It looks like a box of 5 DUST infantry runs about $15, or $3 a figure). An individual DUST mini, therefore, costs almost 1/3rd more, and yet has less going into it.
I don’t think you quite seem to appreciate the other costs here: the “fancy base” you mention contains a printed insert. A printed insert means that laminated paper dials have to be produced and cut to size at an entirely different factory, along with the individual stat card (conceivably at a 3rd factory).
The most expensive part of any product is the labor involved, and clix figures have substantially more labor input per unit then any of the commonly used TTG figures. Think about it,
-A DUST figure must be produced (my impression is they are injection molded plastic), then assembled, then primed, then matched with the box, which can be collated with the stat card and then finally shipped.
-A HeroClix mini, by contrast, requires all of the above steps, and then, after being primed, each one will be hand painted, then matched to the correct base (the top of the bases contain individual model stats, and are not interchangeable), then matched with the correct paper insert, then matched with the correct card, then collated into a blind booster.
Because boosters do not contain set figures the cards must be individually matched to each figure rather then associated with the box, which means more QC, more labor and, above all, more cost to produce.
On top of all that additional labor cost, WizKids must also pay a licensing fee to the IP owner (none of the properties used by WizKids at this point are their own IP), which adds even more costs per unit. Yet they are still cheaper then DUST minis.
When you ask, “are these sculpts good for this type of mini?”, you shouldn’t be comparing them to TTG minis, you should be comparing them to… the green army men that come in a bag, really. That the overall figures are as good as they are is almost amazing. That WK is able to produce figures of the quality of the SF minis (here’s hoping LotRs is of similar quality), the GSX colossals or marquee figures such as Magneto or Weapon X is nothing short of astonishing.
What’s rather funny about all this is that no one here has commented on the most important part of this model for players of the Heroclix game; the dial (the series of circular numbers to the right of the black disk). Which is… kinda crazy good, actually.
Again, bare in mind I’m not saying these are good sculpts (even for clix sculpts the chicken is rather nasty), I’m saying you should be realistic about what you compare them to. Clix sculpts are noticeably less crisp then the Star Wars Minis sculpts (formerly produced by WotC); at the same time, each individual figure had at least one added layer of mechanical complexity (and thus assembly cost) over and above SWM pieces.
@falkenburg – no venom here F, just friendly banter (in case the net has stripped me of all humour)
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No, your point has not gone over my head, though perhaps the opposite is true and mine has gone over yours. You seem to think that I have no understanding of the processes involved in making models, and this is not the case. I think that you are making a judgement based on parameters that I (and seemingly many others) feel are irrelevant.
Let’s put this in perspective here. My first game was published over 20 years ago, and since then I have spent many years dealing with sculptors, printers, mould-makers and all the other parts of the game producing process from initial design to final collation and sale. I have worked for several game companies including a decade at GW, and am now employed as a freelance game designer. I have, therefore, a very practical understanding of what it takes to get a game from drawing board into retail, and a pretty good grasp of the costs involved as that impacts my daily work in pitching new projects and managing existing ones. In the specific case of clix vs DUST I would expect that their relative production quantities will be a much larger determinant of final cost than the other details.
You are entirely right that there are cost implications in printing, assembling boxes, etc. However, this is not a site dedicated to the costs of printing and the merits of computer-to-print over traditional plate making, the relative cost implications of random versus fixed packaging, or any of the myriad other details that are considerations in the business of making products.
This is a site about games and gaming, and whilst there could (and perhaps should) be a forum here for designers, this isn’t it. The posters above me seem to me to be commenting on the end result rather than how it got there, and I think that is entirely valid in this context. What people are worried about is what they get for their money and how it looks on the table. How it got there is simply not relevant to 99% of customers (and I’m talking here about my impression of the many thousands I’ve met over the years in retail, at events and conventions).
Your comments about the costs may be right or wrong, and the margins of clix and DUST are their business, but the end result is what they are being judged on.
If the dial in “crazy good” in game, that’s a useful comment as it is relevant to the end use. I’m sure other clix players will appreciate that insight. I don’t play clix myself, though I did play Halo so I’m familiar with the IP. I can therefore comment on the appearance of the models and not on their game use.
To summarise; comments about costs and dials and such are all fine and dandy, but please don’t assume that I or anyone else is ignorant just because we choose to ignore information we feel is irrelevant for the subject at hand. Point out what you think we’ve missed though, by all means, as I shall point out what I think you’ve neglected 🙂
The Jackel looks like a chicken….
Wonder what it tastes like? lol
Damn they ugly 🙂
you know these things remind me of halo reachs characters… HALF ASSED!
My wallet likes them because they are so shit I would never consider buying them. Is that a redeeming feature?
lol