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The Weekender XLBS: Extra 40k and Wolsung Chat!
June 1, 2014 by dignity
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I think the best way would be to have a main heading for your forums, ie Sci Fi, Fantasy, Historical etc, and then seperate forums within those for each game. That way youdon’t have one page of a hundred forums. I also like the idea of general forum for games not yet covered, or just general gaming posts.
That wolsung board is the best board you have done. The game sounds interesting to. Hope to have a read of the rules.
The quality of terrain building what you are doing is amazing. And it is very easy to follow how you have done all of it when watching Hobby Lab. I only wonder where you will store all of the gorgeous tables.
Happy Sundays guys. Good show, liked hearing about the gaming from our cousins in Europe 🙂 As for forums, might need tightening up in places, but I actually like the current forum format, once you get used to it, its fairly easy to navigate and considering I do pretty much everything on my phone it can’t be that bad! Grass isn’t always greener, so keep in mind, if it isn’t broken…
Is if possible to set a filter on a forum? EG you have the sci-fi/fantasy/historical forums, but users tag their threads with 40k/infinity/etc tags, then the alerts go out on tags rather than forums, that way you subscribe to the tags you want to know everything about, but you can browse the forums in general to find stuff that’s like what you know like if you want to find something new.
Yeah I talked about this in the green room back in December.. because tagging is the right way to go IMHO. Have top level forums for each of the genre hubs (Fantasy, Sci-Fi etc) and sub forums for each game within that genre. The sub forums only show posts tagged with the appropriate keyword (e.g. a 40k tag will cause the post to be displayed in the 40k sub forum) and the top level forums show each post tagged with ANY of the keywords appropriate to it’s sub forums.
Thus if you created a forum post about a new DVD from Games Workshop where they show you how to post some Space Marines, you might tag that with “40k” “Painting” and “News”.
The forum post would show up in the Sci-Fi genre forum, the Hobby forum and the News & Rumours forum.. and also the 40k forum (a sub-forum of Sci-Fi), the Painting forum (a sub-forum of Painting) and the News forum (a sub-forum of News & Rumours).
If you wanted to create a new forum post about rumors of a new Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay release, you would tag it “Rumours” and also opt to create a new tag called “WFRP” which would belong the Fantasy genre forum. This post would appear in the top-level News & Rumors forum, as well as the Rumors sub-forum. Once a moderator approves the use of the WFRP tag, that tag is made official and a corresponding sub-forum is created.. so once it is approved, that post will show up in the WFRP forum (a sub-forum of Fantasy).
I really think that’s the best compromise. Posts in small, quiet sub-forums that are only frequented by half a dozen people will still be visible to everyone visiting the parent genre forum.. and it also means it will be very easy for people to filter content out. Hate 40k? Fed up seeing posts about it every time you visit News & Rumours (or one of it’s sub-forums), Hobby (or one of it’s sub-forums) or Sci-Fi? Then you can just filter out posts that contain the 40k keyword. Simples!
..and in case this kind of diagram makes sense to anybody:
“the Painting forum (a sub-forum of Painting)”
..should say:
“the Painting forum (a sub-form of Hobby)”
The problem with Tagging is it’s manual. (I would love this other wise)
We are a very small number of folk, and we need stuff that more automated. We cant really rely on posters to do it, (some posts don’t even have descriptive titles – or even a capital letter)
So we need something that allows us to group and pull topics with out a ‘manual overhead’
Does that make sense?
It does, but a certain level of tagging can be implied simply by the forum you post in. Thus if you are in the 40k forum and you click “Post New Topic” then the 40k tag can be assumed and indeed, added to the post automatically. So even if everyone is super lazy, each post should still have at least one tag assigned to it, creating the traditional 1:1 relationship between forums and posts that we already see.
The trick, I imagine, is the administration of new tags and their corresponding sub-forums.
Yup that’s why we think 1 Game = 1 Forum / Beasts of War Central / Green Room will likely be the final structure.
Some tagging an be automatically done based on:
>Where in the Information Architecture the poster is. Are they in a particular forum or responding to a blog or other post?
> Content analysis based on keywords. “I reckon my SMs could take out those Nids any day” contains several clues that this belongs in a 40k forum.
You’d want to limit the number of tags to block spammers. On the other hand you could put in a step that forces posters to apply at least on tag – or confirm those automatically identified.
AS moderators, a bit of time managing the metadata rather than the content ends up saving a lot of effort.
Why do I get so excited when I see new rulebooks?
Wolsung looks like a very interesting blend of game mechanics I like. It reminds me most of all of Malifaux but by the sounds of it has a load of unique features.
Happy Sunday (in Polish)!!!!
Please do put out your Salute coverage! I love your con coverage and as someone who doesn’t have these kind of con’s around its very cool to see.
I’d love to post my pics up also but I do agree its best to wait until its a little farther on. Thus preventing many redundant comments about quality!
I think Justin cracked the forum dilemma… Who would have guessed it! LOL
I’m excited to see where BoW goes in the future. Its great that my favourite site is only getting better! Thanks guys! I hope you realize how much we appreciate your guys efforts!!!
I would love the Weekender of Campaigns!
Really looking forward to the Wolsung vids.
I just brought some woodland scenics rock moulds which I’ve been casting up using plaster. Might have to try resin now. I break them up after they are cast and use them on bases.
Warren, check out http://www.ziterdes.de/ziterdes/en/ terrain pieces as well. They are made out of that light weight foam and come pre painted and flocked. They have some great trenches that would be prefect for bolt action.
Loving the Wolsung terrain, and can’t wait to see what the system is like.
There already is a general historical forum and it’s working very well. I do think that is the best route to go down as outside of a handful of systems, I can’t see any system dominating its genre forum. If necessary you could give a system like 40K its own sub-forum. Would having one large forum you can tag individual posts in be accessible for new members/members who only occasionally visit the forums? It sounds like you might have to know what you’re looking for to find the content you want.
I’ll give you half a camel for Justin. You can choose which half. Can’t say fairer than that :p
With regards to giving every system its own forum, I don’t think that’s a good idea. Content breeds content and the opposite is also true. Most systems won’t generate much activity so people won’t visit them, which just feeds back into itself.
I had planned on attending the casting Hirst Arts seminar at GenCon but couldn’t fit it into my timetable. I’m at least planning on picking up some of their moulds while I’m there.
Happy Sunday!
Did anyone else notice screen flickering (left of screen near the door) on Justin’s close cam? Anyway, great show as always, I love it when we sit in on your ‘board meetings’.
For the forums, I personally have a wide interest in the hobby, so I’m open to seeing many things. I like the idea of ‘THE beasts of war forum’ with individuals for all of the games, if each game was under a category heading rather than a sub forum in those categories. Ie. BoW forum>category headings>40k,WFB,Infinity,Warmahordes etc.
On casting, I have an old Skool LINKA plaster casting set I use for making 1:76/OO scale models for railways, I also use the broken tiles as basing materials for war games 🙂
I am really looking forward to the last Salute video, where I photobomb @warzan and then nearly fall over running away XD.
Would really like the opportunity to do some work at next years Salute with you guys, as long as Owen doesn’t try to ‘buy’ my stupidity…..”if I give you a £1 will you slide on your belly…..”
And for Wolsung, if we win the front stage comp, do we get pulled from the BS comp? Just that my dad really likes e idea of the game and I could then give him the book andd1 set and keep 1 set and a book for me 🙂
Trick To remove bubbles in hirst arts mould – I have used piece of wood with 4 sink sponges glued in corners underneath if you put mould on this and tap it a few times it removes majority of bubbles in hirst arts moulds – there are more high tech versions but £1 worth of sponges bit of hot gun glue and a scrap off cut of wood and you are sorted …
I would say each large, active game gets a forum under its logical main catagory, the rest go to a general in that catagory. If a large enough group, or a large amount of traffic about a game, looks like it needs its own forum, ask a moderator to start one. Keeps down the number and the inactivity of small unused forums.
Warren does a cracking Jabba !
I really like the idea of individual forum for each game.
I can’t wait to see John’s coverage of his Normandy trip.
I’d love to see what you do with a Dropzone Commander campaign. Same with Bolt Action.
Thank you for another great sunday morning.
Been browsing Beasts of War for a long time. Finally got round to signing up for a free account the week before the 7 day trial launched. Did the 7 day and am now staying on as a Backstager… one thing though, I never noticed any of the 7 day emails (the only emails I saw were notifications of replies to forum posts) so can’t comment if the daily email helps retain subscribers.
It may not have launched then, or you have to confirm your subscription to it, so maybe have a look for that confirmation email 🙂
I’m no expert but I imagine goat fur is wiry and uncomfortable.
campaign rules guides for all the major games could be a backstage freebie, like the buildings. yet to get into the steam punk stuff, still have a load of empire of the dead stuff to put together from the kickstarter they did, so many good games.
And you’re terrain is getting inspirational, just like games workshop of old, but better. I would say, please don’t get to heavy on 40K, whilst enjoyable, it’s not what a lot of people are into now, merely how they got here.
Really? Ive been a backstager for a year now waiting for some 40k content…And if by over half of the gaming community not being alot of people into it…
Great show again guys. I am with Justin on the Forum setup! Micro Art Studio do some great product!
How about 5 or 6 large forums (fora?) for sci-fi, fantasy etc, with each post being able to be tagged -then users can browse by tags or see larger buckets. It means any game or area can have tags and it’s own ‘community’ but without mods etc having to create individual areas for games.
Alternately, splitting it in a way similar to Justin’s, and having the ability to join individual forums would make having a users ‘dashboard’ view useful -aage that will pull in posts from the fora you have joined and so essentially have a customised forum that’s just what you want.
I reckon you can find some inspiration for campaign mechanics from the Diplomacy board game. Sounds a bit like MicroArts’ ‘write it down then playout’ rule. I’ve seen variations of this over the years (London boroughs etc.).
For tight, skirmish games like Wolsung, Malifaux, Bushido (need some Bushido love guys) then the clans/factions can have small areas they’re controlling, with resources as mobs either protecting, occupying or raiding each (and potentially recruiting more mobs if a boss is present). When mobs collide… skirmish! . Maybe a board game that plays alone or ties in?
Oh – and check out http://uxmag.com/articles/seven-ux-best-practices-of-community-design
A BoW hobby forum sounds like a great place to visit.
Specially if you want to ask a general question and your
not sure exactly where to go to ask it.
Great show
Cheers
Justin’s idea of a generic BoW top level forum and game specific ones would get my vote.
I’d like to see a Dropzone Commander forum as well 🙂
Looking at the specs for the resin you brought it says you should measure it by weight and not by eye as one of the parts has a powder additive and therefore increases the volume.
Wolsung does look like a great game to try.
This is a 2 part liquid 1:1 mix 🙂
I don’t actually have the product but was interested to see exact what you were using, so I paused the video when you showed the containers of resin, Googled the product name and found this site selling it that said you should measure 1:1 ratio by weight and not by volume…
http://www.mbfg.co.uk/polyurethane-casting-resin/fc-6720.html
Thought I’d post just in case you were mixing the ratios slightly wrong. But for all I know their website is wrong or I found a different product to want you have.
Would you look at that!
My measuring by may well be slightly out!
I think Justin’s Idea for the Forums is great. The resin stuff looks interesting though I have trouble finding places to undercoat safely
With the forums could it be possible to cross post between areas? so say i want to show off a mini ive built up Could It be possible to post it to the 40k area and the painting convert forum at the same time to get feedback from both areas without having to threads running.
Great show again and great to see Lukasz on the show.
now to find someone to play Wolsung with….
I love Justin….. (in a purely straight, brotherly kind of way!)
Also on a more important note, I think that you should have game specific forums. It keeps things organised and that helps you avoid excess stuff that does not relate to you. Just my 2 cents (pence) worth.
Great show, love staring at the table, tend to forget to listen sometimes…..\
The forum ideas sound great, prefer the larger forums, as per your last suggestions, with big rooms then places for each game. you need to keep it game specific so we don’t have to spend ages finding the right forum.
The generic forum gets my vote.
to get rid of bubbles when casting, leave the mould on top of the washing machine when doing the laundry, time it for the spin cycle.
for the forums I think I would like one each game, and also generic ones, plus the ability to make/requesrt new subforums for games that are not already there. I know i would like somewhere to go on about all quiet on the martian front when it arrives sometime this summer.
Genius, I’ll be using that idea
As ever good show, the site is going form strength to strength with all of your ideas and changes. I can see pros and cons in all of the ideas for the forums, can I make one suggestion though; minimise the size of the banner when you get into them. The forum home as it stands is good but the first level, e.g. News and Rumours, the forums are all below the visible screen level when you open it.
On a production note, did anyone else notice the heavy breathing (it was before the “horn” came out so it wasn’t that…..). Also the video system you use for XLBS seems a bit less stable recently and I have to refresh the page a few times when it freezes, are you still intending on changing this in the future along with a move to HD? Yet again it’s a post full of suggestions (not complaints I promise) I do enjoy it all though.
Such a great time to be coming back to the hobby, so much action these days! Can’t wait to check out more about Wolsung. You guys have put together a stunning board for it 🙂
The Wolsung table looks beautiful. I would really like to see a hobby lab on resin casting.
For the most simple solution, I think I agree with Justin: separate the forum for each game then make a general one for everything else. However, this also means that there is a possibility that people “misplace” their threads in the general forum even though there is actually a dedicated forum for their threads. But I think a simple manual administrating will fix it easily.
For the complicated one (if possible), I agree with cazboab and siygess: use tags to mark each thread. I think you can let the posters to tag their own threads because it is to their own benefit anyway to tag it correctly, otherwise their thread won’t get a proper response. To ensure they tag it, make a restriction so that the posters can’t post a new thread without specifying at least one tag to the thread (I think that it is possible for a thread to have more than one tags).
BTW, I think you should merge Warmachine and Hordes forum, they are technically the same game after all.
hmmm steam punk not my thing really but it is growing on me….
I’m a man of eclectic tastes, so whatever arrangement you have I end up with several rooms to check out, so from my own perspective I would say do what is easiest and least time consuming for you guys to develop.
For the show itself, another great one, I do like that Tau scenery. I don’t own a single Tau model, I’m not going to start a Tau army at all, but I still like that aesthetic for gaming scenery. That fits well with infinity as much as it does 40K to my eye, with the right paint scheme.
With the Forums, I can see Justin’s idea working. I can see having only a few general forums being a bad idea. Let’s say you were only interested in Wolsung, FOW and say Infinity. Would you then get informed of every post in the Pulp, Historical and Sci-Fi forums?Email notification wise, that would be horrendous and they’d be a good chance that anti virus systems might even start picking up the account as spam. Also with a general forum, would the smaller games just get lost in the posts with the larger, more dominant games?
I’d be interested in seeing how the resin casting goes – maybe a Hobby Lab episode? I’ve recently found some old Linka plaster moulds and made some terrain for Flames of War but for durability it would be nice to do some resins.
Great show. Cheers.
I quite like the idea of a forum for each game, with an overall Beast of War forum.
But as said it will be quite a bit of work to get people on the smaller forums
Maybe we have Forums Friday – where we encourage people to join a forum and highlight a few favorite posts etc?
20 pounds for Justin!
SOLD! – Paypal ok for you? – Ohh and we may have to split his shipment over a number of small packages 😉
Yep paypal works! I have plenty of tape to put him back together. Do you ship to Australia?
On a serious note, The General Beasts of War forum idea with a general central forum and one for each game works well. Great episode!
That table is pure awesome. Great show as always guys.
Very cool terrain pieces from Micro Arts.
Forum wise I agree with piecing it all under Beasts of War because this can be then broken into categories anyway; so you would have –
Steam Punk General followed for all chatter followed by a sub category for Warmachine or Wolsung etc. I’m pretty sure there are enough willing volunteers with savvy that would be keen to be some form of administrator/caretaker of specific groups.
Keep up the good work folks! And hey Warren where is the Eden coverage man? Give the game a little love ;0)
Happy Sunday!I need to get my hands on some Micro Arts terrain now
Regarding the forums: I definitely feel that some kind of “general” forum(s) should be presented in addition to game specific forums. There are a lot of smaller games that I’d possibly like to post on that aren’t covered as of yet. 😀
I love Łukasz’s “alternate Bulgaria” campaign map. Japanese fighting in Bulgaria? Hey, sounds like some wild battles. 😀
Our group has done some similar campaigns with different games (Battlesystem, Panzer Leader, Valour and Victory, etc). Immensely satisfying, but LOTS of work. This is a lot more than just stringing together a “series” of games and counting up who won the most like a season of football (as I’m sure Łukasz can tell you). In order for each battle to have meaning in the overall context, the campaign framework has to be pretty detailed. You’re also making the leap from TACTICAL gaming to OPERATIONAL gaming, which means facets like supply, communication, command, “macro war conditions,” weather, etc.
Would it be worth considering GW products as a forum all by itself? That is, if the main concern about having Fantasy / Sci Fi forums is Warhammer / 40k drowning out all of the others.
Justin had the right idea.
I’ve played with the Hirst Arts stuff and plaster quite a bit, we built the Tower of London for Salute one year and the board will be at Broadsides (Sittingbourne, Kent) this coming Sunday (8th June) hosting a Doctor Who vs Daleks game.
I’ve been loving making my own terrain models, moulds and casts. It’s super rewarding. Just finished making some 1’x1′ cobbled street tiles with liquid plastic. Once they’re painted up I’ll post them.
Instead of games by genre fantasy, scfi, historic ect could you do by company then have sub forums for each of there games. For an example mantic games is the overall forum and then have a sub forum for each game like kings of war, warpath, dead zone ect then if feasible have subscriptions to either the company as a whole or to the sub forum that you are interested in. You could also do a general forum for new and up coming games/kickstarters and if enough interest is generated add the company to the main list.
I started writing thoughts and ideas on taking tactical games up into a campaign setting, and it quickly grew too long for an XLBS post. 🙂 Instead I started a new forum topic, linked below. \\Check it out, I think there’s a huge amount to be said on linking these table top games together into larger narrative campaigns, as Łukasz has clearly done in his “Alternate Bulgaria.”
http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/historical-games/forum/topic/campaign-game-ideas/
i cant beleave i missed the private screening of the flames of war for the win
love thats show and can not wait to see it
i also like the idea of the beasts of war main forum
I really loved the episode, the campaign showed looks absolutely fantastic. I would love to get my teeth stuck in to that kind of thing. With the Horus Heresy books fingers crossed I can!
The table is looking amazing guys you have done a fantastic job in such a short space of time.
Ok Just watching this got 20mins in and had to stop to post…lol
On the forum Issue and forgive me if this has been mentioned before in previous posts but I have not had a chance to read them all.
My view would be Have the forums as follows
1. General for general waffle..
2. Genre,… Historical, Fantasy Sci-fi
3. When discussion about a particular game becomes critical then create a sub forum for that particular game under the genre..
Just my two pence worth
ok i should have watched longer 🙂
And fab news about “Chain of Command”
Great show guys, and pleased to see your getting into the Resin Casting Warren.
I’ve been casting and mold making for years, and would love to see more people give it a go
as an extension to the hobby.
Maybe at some point you could do a hobby lab on casting both plaster and resin.
As for the mold making, your right it just takes practice, although it can be quite an expensive learning curve given the price of silicone.
General comments on the organization of “stuff”. I have a bit of a concern with everything being by game. Things like terrain can easily be used by multiple games so for a gallery I would prefer a more general category for overall organization with the ability to then limit by a specific game by search once I was within the category. So you could look at everything or filter if desired. As to forums by games, I have been a member for a while and have really never posted because I am not sure where to post. My questions have generally been global (i.e. ” what is a good starter game for introducing my grad kids to RPG”) and could never figure out where to put such a question. On the same topic, while I am a backstage member I would love to see the seven day introduction . I have a few things I do on BoW but would love to have an organized guided tour of the site’s breath of offerings. Trial and error exploration is not as comfortable for me as here is the map, come check it out……
Justin’s idea sounds good; keep it simple.
I can’t wait to see John’s videos, and I’m looking forward to the Salute stuff too.
I’d been a bit hesitant about using the Hirst Arts moulds with plaster, but using resin sounds like a great idea. Much less chance of breaking them, than using plaster. I’m looking forward to hearing more about Wolsung (and I hope I win the rulebook, lol!).
For the forums: I agree that you need general forums for each category (fantasy, sci-fi, etc.) to get all the games that BoW doesn’t have forums for, and especially those games, such as smaller games, that will never have forums. I love Project Pandora from Mantic, but I don’t expect it to have its own forum. It’s too small of a game for that. But, once general forums are set-up, there should be dedicated forums for the big games (WH40K, Deadzone, Kings of War, Dropzone Commander, Star Wars X-Wing, etc.).
That said, I do love how y’all discuss the business side of things. Though BoW and the game companies they discuss are all about the hobby we love, in the end they are all businesses, BoW included. I like how you discuss the business requirements and how they affect the hobby side of things. It’s also great that as a business you solicit so much feedback from your customers. Sure you have to filter out the crap, as people will bitch over just about anything, but as you said you can gain a lot of insight as to the real needs and wants of the larger customer base this way.
Week 2 of my Backstage pass and loving it. 🙂
Before making a decision in favour of giving each game its own forum, it might be worth looking through the existing forums to see how often a new thread is started for each game. Just from a quick sample of some of the more popular non-GW games, Flames of War is running at about 2.5 a week, Infinity at about one a week, and Warmachine at about one a week. Meanwhile, many other games haven’t generated more than one or two threads in the last year. Even if an entire forum was given over to sci-fi minus 40K, there wouldn’t be that much activity on it each week, but anyone with an interest in sci-fi games would have a reason to keep checking it on a regular basis.
That is one sweet looking game. Awesome table.
I’d love to hear more about Lukasz’ studio campaigns. Good weekenders this weekend guys – so much enthusiasm for gaming has come across.
Mmmm.. Wolsung rule-book…. count me in ;D
Hi Guys, really enjoyable XLBS and indeed the front show was very good as well. I have to say again that the table you built so quickly is really impressive. Shame about the raised train track, looked so cool but you will have had your reasons.
I expect lots of other people have mentioned this but “Chain of Command” is your Lardies game. How about getting a Games Designer interview with those guys? They really know their stuff.
So here come the opinions…
Streaming sucks. I have always hated streaming, I’m a Software Engineer and I’ve rarely seen it work properly. I had to restart and scrub through around 5 times to get to the end. Obviously you need to restrict your Backstage content but maybe consider a password protected download? I would expect your Backstagers aren’t the sort to post paid content elsewhere.
I like Justin’s top-level BOW forum idea with specialist forums below that. I enjoy a lot of games but I’m not really focussed on any one area, so I would probably spend most of time in the top-level forum. For example, I will never play games like 40K or other mini games that need a lot of painting and model building, nothing against them it’s just not my thing however I still enjoy watching your video content on those subjects. Same goes for terrain building, I appreciate (and I’m impressed) watching what you guys do but I’m not about to do that myself. When you do get going with 40K please remember some of us know bugger all about it but will still find it interesting.
One of the things I think that BOW does very well is involve their community, especially the Backstagers. I have not regretted for a minute my Backstage membership and with the content starting to ramp up again after the move I have no problem with the value for money. I think we cut you some (well-deserved) slack while you were working so hard during the move but now we are seeing a lot of your plans starting to come to fruition and I’m excited about the potential. You seem full of ideas and I’m looking forward to seeing the content.
Final bit of stuff…
I also enjoy the Shutup and Sit Down games site and they recently had a thing about Megagames. It turns out the Megagames guys have been designing gigantic games for around 30 years and do all sorts of stuff that might interest BOW guys. I am hoping to play in their forthcoming Operation Market Garden in Holland (close to Luxembourg for a change). Might be a lead for a future story or feature.
@brianparker
Have you tried the HTML 5 Player
Go into your settings and set it to be your default:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/members/YOURUSERNAME/profile/edit/group/3
Thanks Warren but that link is just taking me to the BOW homepage and if I go into my settings I don’t see any setting for changing to the HTML 5 player.
Perhaps I’m being thick but I can’t see any way to change it.
Cheers,
Brian
Ok I was being thick. 😎
Found it and changed it. Let’s see how it goes.
I’m definitely looking at my cabinet nowadays and thinking I have enough armies and that perhaps I should be concentrating on terrain now. There’s always a new game or boardgame to look at instead though (played my first game of Bolt Action last week and currently awaiting the Judge Dredd rulebook).
May you go from strength to strength. Avery interesting time ahead by the sounds of things. I get the feeling you were being invited to do a studio visit to Microarts studio, how cool would that be XLBS from Poland.
My computers all seem to hate flowplayer, is there any way for me to be able to download the backstage videos?
@wizardv12222
Have you tried the HTML 5 Player
Go into your settings and set it to be your default:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/members/YOURUSERNAME/profile/edit/group/3
I didn’t even know there was an option to change to html5, I made the change and now I can make it all the way through the xlbs episodes!
Now to go back and watch the others that I skipped 😉
Every time i see that board I’m dying to play a game of empire of the dead
Looking over other forums I belong to… SBNation, Hammer and Rails, satelliteguys.us and others all seems to have different systems for setting up forums or comments. So far I think that the SBNation and it’s specialty forums like Hammer and Rails and Bless You Boys have the best comments system. When it comes to building forums there seems to be a need for simplicity but also specialty. A general forum that then breaks down to other styles or systems. I don’t think satelliteguys.us is the best system out there but I can usually find a discussion that is helpful. It also fits with the needs of BoW. Might be worth a quick look.
Lukasz – awesome job with Wolsung! good luck on kickstarter 🙂
I like the sound of 1 BOW forum then 1 for each game.
I think there is nearly no way around game specific forums. Otherwise the overhead to use these forums would be to high. Also the idea with a generic forum or the “add my game” button is great, cuz this hobby is ever changing and so everybody has the chance to bring his or her own favorite game.
love the board that you made for Wolsung, can’t wait for the kickstarter, been buying bits to make my own board. will your terrain shows show us at some point how you painted your buildings?
Judging by the comments left on the recent poll regarding our favourite genre. Most found it hard to actually choose and felt the need to say what their 2nd & 3rd place would be.
This would fit in with Justin’s idea for a forum as it would seem we all have pretty wide tastes.
A newbie to BACKSTAGE and have to say great discussion and excellent table set up for an excellent looking game. Keep up the good work.
Guys I cant watch my backstage content that you post only to your website, I get green Screen. Ive used Chrome and Mozilla. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE point me in the direction of a fix!
@relic669
Have you tried the HTML 5 Player
Go into your settings and set it to be your default:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/members/YOURUSERNAME/profile/edit/group/3
Can’t wait for the Demo game!
On the subject of fora, i would like to see seperate forum. Because i dont want to wade through heaps of post that are irrelevamt to my interests.
Another great show guys, regarding the forum. I think one main chat room for a general discussion and then perhaps have a few branches for the main genres plus a hobby/ modelling forum which always seems popular. It’s great for ideas as it covers all the genres. Within each sub group ie, sci-fi, Historical etc there may be an opportunity to run threads for popular games such as 40k, Bolt Action etc where members can discuss army lists, tactics and suchlike plus the ability to download files such as play sheets etc. It should also be borne in mind that the most popular games usually have their own forums in any case such as ‘Flames of War’ it’s most likely that those that are already members will probably stick with them. A lot of food for thought. So good luck with it.
I’d love some stuff about moulding. I’ve been looking to get into that for a long time.
Warder truly is the most butter fingered wargamer I’ve ever seen.
That should read Warren…stupid ipad autocorrect.
Nice board, probably the best you’ve done. I’m thinking it would work nicely for another game, Wild West Exodus, just set in one of the lager cities, like San Franciso. Would make for some epic fights.
For new games, I generally like to buy a set of the rules before going all in. If BoW wants to save me the money of purchasing a Wolsung rulebook, by all means, throw the (rules) book at me!
Ive been looking at getting into Wolsung for a while now. With you guys doing shows on it, I am going to fall for the game. Can’t wait to see some battle reports of the game.
I like the idea of a seperate forum for each game, and one for painting and terrainbuilding.
I would really like to see a video of Łukasz’ campaign. Especially to see how the axis team work together.
As for the forum idea. A general discussion forum would be great and I could see that being very lively. However, there is a problem that some of the lesser supported forums might wither from inaction. I think we all know how off-putting it is to visit a forum that hasn’t seen a post in donkey’s years. The trouble is; I don’t think BOW staff have the time or resources to micromanage all the forums so it might be an idea to ask the community for volunteers to act as a forum reps to maintain interest in all areas.
To oriskany, I really liked your campaign ideas.
I like Justin’s idea of a general forum along with individual games (and green room).
Although personally, if “joining” a forum ends up getting me emails, I’m not clicking that button.
What if you could choose when or if you got emails?
Then I would opt out of them. Joining an individual forum seems like an unnecessary extra step just to post in the individual one, but I’m guessing you guys are going to be using the joining for additional purposes, so I’m cool with it.
Always nice to have XLBS ‘extra’. 🙂
I am all for Łukasz to recommend a Hobo “mini-me” Halfling gangster called Justin for the next expansion of Wolsung. Maybe a kickstarter exclusive? 😉
It is great to see peoples enthusiasm in suggesting ideas for reworking the forum. Certainly an area of the BoW website that will hopefully benefit greatly from the redesign and become more popular.
The Bolt Action campaign the Micro Art team are currently running sounds awesome!
I would love to see the rules they are using for the campaign because it looks like a lot of fun. The closest thing I have tried was a campaign for 40k many years ago where each commander of a force was a named character (ie assigned a name by the player). Each time the character lead his/her/its force to victory (and the character survived) they randomly rolled a stat increase, extra special ability, power, or piece of equipment. Also if an unit survived a battle with less than 25% casualties it also rolled on the chart.
A weekend of campaign goodness makes me happy. That terrain board looked amazing and Wolsung looks very cool. The weekender is my guilty pleasure and the Xl edition is a wonderful hangover cure.
I do like the “main forum” idea. a lot of other gameing site do this and it does work (for example, I’l like a forum for myth).
I love your guys’ demo games! Can’t wait to see Wolsung in action.
Regarding the forums I’m not so sure about creating a separate forum for every game. Personally I like heariing about a cool game I don’t know yet. And that won’t happen if I dive straight into my game of choice. I was thinking you could have main categories and then tag each forum topic appropriately from a drop-down menu, or perhaps even with free to choose keywords. Making those tags searchable allows you to filter the main forum to a specific game or topic.
But I’m not much of a forum warrior anyway. Usually I hang around forums for about two weeks before I forget about them.
I fully support your ideas on creative model casting though. In fact I will start my own metal casting soon. I just placed my first order with Prince August which went onto my radar after Warren showed the box he found in a previous weekender. I hope to make some 54mm soldiers in a few weeks time. My eventual goal is to mix the parts and customize the models to fit in with the discontinued GW Inquisitor line of models.
I had a look at Hirst Arts after the company was mentioned in the comments on the vlog. That Lego-like building system looks great. Unfortunately it’s very expensive to get a few molds shipped over to Europe. So I guess that will go on the wishlist for the foreseeable future. If anyone knows of a cheaper way to get some molds, or alternative companies making similar stuff I’d be very interested.
Love the look of that game!!!!!
I thought Justin’s three words were going to be “Bring it on”.
Not looked at the forums yet. Will have a nose.
I would sooooo buy a Justin Mini-Me bobble-head figure! You guys could make a fortune.
iam going to like Wolsung
Wolsung looks very fun! Good luck to everyone!
Game specific forums would seem like the way to go, but there’s the risk that some forums will get very little traffic. Not a problem per se, unless it puts a strain on your servers.
I personally think there’s a risk that quite a few forums won’t get much traffic, and I do think that’s a problem. Those games would benefit from being grouped together on the same forums with other games, even if it’s just a case of grouping together the the least popular games by genre. There are a lot games currently with their own forum that go months, if not a year or more, between new threads. That means those games sit there with no-one paying attention to them. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy; the game gets very little traffic on its forum so people don’t pay attention to it, people don’t pay attention to it so it gets very little traffic, and so on in ever decreasing circles. This has a knock-on effect for the forums as a whole as it minimises the overall traffic.
I’m currently documenting a Dux Britanniarum campaign in the general Historical forum. There’s no doubt in my mind that if it had to be placed in a dedicated DB forum then fewer people would see it than have done so where it is. It would also be the only thread in the forum which would be even more off-putting to anyone not already interested in the game. I think the forums should be encouraging the 31,000 members to talk to each other. Individualised forums, IMO, encourages divisions between us.
I agree with @redben . I don’t think I would have found his campaign thread if it was in its own “DB” or “DxB” forum. I wouldn’t even know what that meant, since I was unfamiliar with the game. Would it be too much work to have each “popular” game with its own forum, then a generalized forum for each major category (historical, sci-fi, punk/weird, fantasy, etc.)? Or is that too much like the current model you’re trying to get away from?
I certainly think for historical games a single forum would be better.
Although there are distinct game systems – FOW, Bolt Action and Chain of Command for instance in WW2 they also have much in common due to having the same back story which is WW2.
Equally FOW seems to be heading to cover most of the 20th century in it’s scope, the First World War seems to be in development with them and wars of the 1960’s and 70’s are already available. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Cold War as well in the future.
So I think at least with historical based games that it would be difficult to have satisfactory sub forums organised by either game system or by historical era.
I also agree with @redben the amount of traffic generated is fairly small, so i don’t see a problem of scanning through thread titles to see what interests me – I expect most of it will interest me.
I kind of missed the steampunk costume from the weekender.
I’m also a fan of Justin’s idea for an overall Forum, then splitting down into Game (even Faction) specific sub-forums, each subscribable (is that a word?) individually 🙂
Great show. I did think of forum by period but that would not work with the large spectrum of fantasy and Syfi ( also different worlds would have their own timelines!).
My vote is in line with Justin’s suggestion.
Hi guys…..thanks for the entertaining hour. I’m a new back stager so finding lots of interesting stuff here at the moment. Really like the way and direction BoW is going….great to see and listen to people who obviously really enjoy what they are doing. Trying to catch up on all the back list of back stager stuff that interests me at present…….nice one guys.
Thank you for talking about the casting. I am really interested in this and have set hirstarts to my favourites.
I must be honest I only discovered your backstage button yesterday so now I gotta look at the existing forum format. But I think the idea of a genereal sci-fi, historical, fantasy etc. forum and then individual games would be good as I know certain games I wouldn’t be interested in.
I’m keen to get back into painting my eldar for 40k so let the 40k good times roll.
Looking for some advice on Plaster, is Dental worth the extra money?
Its £40 for a 25kg bag on ebay, while Fine Casting Plaster is £20 on Amazon, which would you go for?
Ebay – Dental Plaster
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dental-Lab-Supply-Type-3-Superior-Strength-WHITE-ORTHODONTIC-STONE-25-kilo-/141294176171?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Medical_Equipment_Instruments_ET&hash=item20e5ca07ab
Fine Casting Plaster
http://www.amazon.co.uk/25kg-Casting-Plaster-plaster-paris/dp/B004BE9U52/ref=sr_1_1?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1401665505&sr=1-1&keywords=Formula++25+kg+Fine+Casting+Plaster
I’ve never bought from these guys (we had a local supplier who we found) but check out the Herculite 2
http://www.maragon.co.uk/casting-plaster.html#Init
Thanks the tip, I’m really looking forward to knocking up lots the pipes and bridges as Infinity demands so much terrain.
I kinda like the initial idea of doing the 5 main hubs, mainly with a general forum on top of those. To sort those forums further, you could have each post be tagged with the game it’s based around. So if I were posting about building a board similar to your Wolsung board I might tick a box for Malifaux, Wolsung, and Wild West Exodus, etc. If someone were to subscribe tho that forums they might receive a list of games attached to that forum and they would simply have to tick the boxes of games they were interested in from that genre.
I like the idea of one giant room for general overall BoW discussion with doors opening up to segmented sub-topics.
iam going to love these game
Right, I’ve cleaned up the blood and superglue off my hands (I thought the XLBS shows would be nice background chatter while I magnetised my new marines. Oh how wrong was I. I kept glancing up and stabbing myself).
I really like the idea of 1 game 1 forum with maybe a general chat area. I also really like the idea of gallery tagging linking photos to the appropriate forums and newsletters.
Volsung (spelled so I remember pronunciation) looks so much fun. It’s like Malifaux without the beardiness that comes in from combo power play imho. My non-wargaming mates who adore Munchkin will love this.
Great show guys. Just have to say, the Wolsung stuff really looks to be a lot of fun.
I appreciate all the thought and effort you put into your world.. I have to say, that the reason I don’t do forums is because that, for the most part, they tend to be far more noise than signal. Your thought of having the “general” forum and then the game-specific forums, strikes me more functional, or rather, more usable. I’ll look at the forums I’m specifically interested in. And to the point that Lloyd made.. having multiple different forums to visit isn’t really all that different than having multiple “threads” to look at in a single forum, is it? Either way, I have to click on and go into the conversation I’m interested in. At least with the game-specific forums, I know where to look for what *I* am interested in.
Like I said, I tend to avoid forums in general because of the way they usually work, but I have to admit that the thoughts you have mentioned.. make it somewhat attractive. Great work guys!
Thanks!
My thought on the forums is perhaps a main forum and then subforums by company?
I definitely like the set up with one general and multiple game specific forums. It will be the easiest to navigate and monitor. It also encourages the community to take ownership of their preferred game forums. Should discussions get heated at some point, it is also contained to a single forum and easier to guide the users and help some of them to keep a positive mindset when posting.
The Wolsung table is amazing! The terrain tutorials so far are great but seeing what you guys can achieve in two days, takes you up several levels on the terrain builders mastery scale! The theme is fantastic and fits the iconic Victorian era story setting. I could easily see Sherlock chasing Moriarty across that scenery, watch a game of Malifaux unfold or even play out Jesse James trying to escape a Union trap and ambush set up for him in a game of WWX. Absolutely fantastic job, guys!
Great job on the Wolsung board.
Happy Monday!
First of all: Fantastic Table! Concerning the forums issue, I personally think your last suggestion with the beasts of war, the gaming and the green room forums would work best.
Keep staying on your track ’cause I already think you’re doing a great job to inspire people to try some new – or maybe old and overseen – wargames.
+1 for a general BoW forum, green rm & separate game fora.
The 7 day trial definitely a good idea – you’ve got me hooked!
Wolsung sounds awesome, I’m looking forward to the KS now!
These make my Monday workdays so much more bearable
Great show as usual guys.
The game Dux Britanniarum from Too Fat Lardies has great campaign rules that i think you should check out.
http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/historical-games/forum/topic/dux-britanniarum/
😀
Game looks very good, hope i can have a look soon.
I can see the benefits of both ways of thinking, an easier to manage forum would be great for you guys but a forum for every game makes much more sense as a community.
I want to say how much Ive been enjoying hobby lab, Ive only really been seriously into the hobby for 12 months and the terrain side of things was so confusing, for me this has been a godsend!
I would love to win my own Justin. I would name him Shiny and I would polish him every day…
As far as forums (fora, fori?) go, I am a big fan of the way Warseer do it with their painting and modelling section with independent forums for the larger games (WHF, 40k etc) and more generic forums for particular genres. If one of the genre forums gets lots of posts about a certain game, give it its own section but otherwise leave them all in a pot so the genre as a whole gets more traffic. May also be nice to have a separate generic Painting and Modelling forum.
Like the idea of a general BoW forum and then game specific ones. Could even consider child boards in specific forum.
The forums sound like a fantastic idea. You should really think about a hobby lab forum as well I know it’s not a game but for a terrain questions it would be fantastic.
Resin casting seems fun – but does it not work out to be super expensive when compared to just buying the stuff pre-cast delivered?
Another excellent video, will have look at the Wolsung vids now
About the forums. I am simply only interested in reading stuff on the 2 games I am most active with. All the other stuff would just be distracting though other people may be better at sifting information usefull to them.
Hey guys, realize I’m coming late to the party, but. I have never used the BoW forums. I am a member of the forums that already exist for the games I play. My opinion, think beyond what already exists. I don’t want to come to BoW to visit and type. I’ll do that elsewhere. Also, the weekender, my favorite reason to come to BoW along with XLBS, is unplayable on my notebook. This even though I have never previously had an issue playing any of your vids at 720p. Don’t know what the issue is, but it stinks. Anyway, thank you guys for all your hard work, I appreciate the job you all do. By the by, Warren, do you always disagree with whatever Justin says or does it just seem that way?
@williamwidrick
Have you tried the HTML 5 Player
Go into your settings and set it to be your default:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/members/YOURUSERNAME/profile/edit/group/3
As for agreeing with @dignity, I make a point of always disagreeing with him 😉 keeps him on his toes!
C&C would be nice to see… I am a BA man myself, but others have told me about this game as well.
With so many skirmish games in the market will be interesting to see how this one does
Great video guys, once again another game you’ve made me interested in 😉 My wallet may hate you but my hobby side is drooling for new stuff.
I’d love to see more about the casting myself that is very interesting
Well, this video finally convinced me to sign up AND go backstage. Loving the look of Wolsung, would love to get my hands on this!
Great episode guys! One of the things I most enjoy about BOW is the opportunity to meet with some of the guys behind the hobby. Thanks again!
Another great show. Lots of really exciting developments across many systems recently. Would love a read of the Wolsung rules. So many games, so little time!
i got the terrain but didnt get the rulebook so, yes, please! 🙂
Love the weekender XLBS! Not a huge forum user, over complicated navigation has always put me off so something simple/ straightforward to use would be good. I liked Justin’s idea of a main Beasts of War page then links via genre.
On a separate note I need Wolsung in my life and can’t wait for the kick starter so a copy of the rules would be great! Thanks!
The more I read about wolsung the better it sounds will look to hopefully demo it at my club once I get the rule book and a few miniatures, not sure if I should get them now or wait for the kickstarter (should really wait but you know shiny syndrome and all that)
I LOVE JUSTIN!!!!!
I love the Wolsung terrain. I’ve been using the terrain from the indiegogo campaign for Iron Kingdoms RPG terrain and the occasional warmachine/warhammer 40k game. I can’t wait to get my hands on the new warehouse.
Hey guys, I loved the show & the wolsung board looks great. Can you tell me if that great piece of tyranid terrain (capillary tower) is going to be available soon? I would love to get a couple for my table. i cant see it on their website
I can see my bank account heading back in to the red come the Wolsung kickstarter… Oh well…
And then I’ll need the terrain, obviously. And at least two factions to make sure I can get others interested. Would be rude not to 😉
mm like the look of the lotus faction
For the greater good! More power to Lloyd and the mighty Tau!
Have when someone post a new topic in the forum, allow the option to add keywords to it.
The keywords could be either the name of the games, or the name of the genre, or the phrase crowdfunding.
have a list of tickbox’s to choose from, with the ability to add your own (then you can see whats missing)
have the ability for people to search the forums on those keywords, or subscribe to those keywords.
no need to work out “which section” to put a post in.
make the backend system work for the users and admins.
A great double-header of shows this weekend guys – as good as any weekenders I can remember in terms of scope of content and all-round banter (it was great that they were nice and long too!).
I haven’t looked through all the comments here to see if it’s been mentioned yet but in terms of narrative games I really like the look of Dux Britanniarum from Two fat Lardies and I know @redben on the forums here has been posting some great info about it with exactly this narrative campaign as a key focus. I really need to look into acquiring some Dark Age Saxons and Romano-British to get in on this…
Cheers guys and have a great week everyone!
Is there a date for the launch of the Wulsung kickstarter?
I think the biggest problem with the current system is the lack of general sci-fi and fantasy forums.
There is one for historicals, what’s the logic behind that?
IMHO this promotes the image that postings about “unlisted” games are not welcome, including more obscure commercial games but also homebrews.
But even though I am a fan and collector of obscure games, I don’t think they all deserve separate forums. Anything that doesn’t get X posts per month or whatever belongs in the general forum.
P.S. If the “open rate” for your newsletter is based on loading the embedded image links, you’re not getting my statistics… Just something to be aware of.
P.P.S. I agree 100% about recasting.
“I think the biggest problem with the current system is the lack of general sci-fi and fantasy forums.
There is one for historicals, what’s the logic behind that?”
Basically because we asked for it – http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/technical-support/forum/topic/historical-forum/. The previous set up was so restrictive you couldn’t post much historicals content on it.
Yup that’s it exactly.
I’ve raised this question a couple of times, but I guess it’s been lost somewhere…
And quite frankly I don’t see how it’s not restrictive on the SF/fantasy side. I already had to post my Hammer’s Slammers stuff in painting because there’s no general SF forum.
Or should I just take my stuff elsewhere?
That’s why its up for discussion.
Nice show, to bad i can not get the flashplayer backstage in high resolution as the you tube movies you post.
Those buildings would be great for Malifaux too. The fluff for Wolsung sounds just brilliant I look forward to reading more of it in the book I win ;0) . Well done MAS! keep up the good work
Im hoping there is a lot of fluff in the rule book, as it sounds great
Dobrej Niedzieli (douberay need-zealy) – that what you should say but … I could not understand it anyway 😀
Looking for a steampunk game to get into so looking forward to more wolsung coverage expeciale the demo game. I think a genrel seperate forum for each genre eg scifi, fantasy, pulp. It might get more people to look at diferant games if thay see an interresting post/thred. But if posable someway for each postie to tag there post for there game system and then people could serch or filter for that system if they wont to.
On a side note is it only me that keep getting a green screen part way through the video and if so anyone no haw to fix it thanks
I was salivating when you started talking about a whole episode about campaigns. Just made me all fuzzy inside, you need to do this really soon guys. And that Wolfsung board is wicked!
Love from Sweden
Looks good sounds awesome. been looking for something different 🙂
Speaking of campaign systems, I’m a fan of the approach Sam Mustafa takes with his “Maurice” rules. In these, you’re not the king but are a commander in his armies. Consequently you don’t make the big decisions about who to ally with, where to go, or even who your officers are. Instead you carry out his orders and whilst making your name through your great deeds on the battlefield. Through this you accumulate Epic Points which you spend on improving your army, kicking out the officers you don’t want, and gaining influence in court.
More info here – http://www.sammustafa.com/honour/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/03/Maurice-Flyer.pdf
Awesome
Love the micro art stuff, as a Tau player it’s been a godsend! Really interested to see how the campaign discussions go.
I think I prefer the idea of more games system forums as this does allow me to see say Infinity content if I am not interested in 40k. I also quite like Justin’s idea with the Green room/ General forums and games specific ones. If there is a way to subscribe to multiples and if you log in you can get the content consolidated so it’s almost like a personal forum that would be great. Not sure if the tech would support this. Also if you can somehow get support on something like Tapatalk on IOS or equivalent (which I use for some other forums) this lets me post really easily.
Also like the gallery posting tags/metadata as you post, think that will be much better.
i think with forums the most basic approach is the best for instance dakkadakka i find so confusing to navigate i don’t really go near it. category and then game sounds great.
I coulkd only watch about 20 min and then it was just green screen, is thats wht every one see? also can I have win one rulebook please?
We need Wolsung here in the US!!
Cracking looking table!
I can’t wait for more from Salute!
I don’t think I’ll be signing up for the emails as I really like using your twitter feed to keep in touch with articles as they go up.
Wulsung looks ace. But how many games can the world support?
Wilsung Ks is going crazy, but What about to get a free Book to invest such cred to add stuf :).