August 10, 2010 by johnlyons
John gives us a little history lesson on the Brummbar for Flames of War. This is a nice simple kit made from Resin and White Metal. This has Zimmerit moulded on to the hull of the vehicles and each is uniquely sculpted.
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give us a video about the hetzer o-o
I don’t mind the history lesson, i find it interesting!
Anyone else think John’s history lessons make you feel guilty for not playing Flames of war?
Anyroads, the tank chassis are marked B C D and E , maybe there’s an A (maybe even an F too) with slightly different stowage again?
John’s history lessons do make me want to play FoR. But 15mm scale keeps me away.
agreed, and the 28mm pricetag they have :/
I noticed that too…
And the history lessons do make me exceedingly guilty 🙁 Now I have to spend another £200 pounds on FoW as well as 40K. DARN YOU, DAEMON JOHN!!
Actually you don’t open the box until 3:17 into the vid.
But I wouldn’t even have noticed if you hadn’t mentioned it.
Love the history lessons. Keep them coming.
As for the people who complain, just fast forward through the history bits.
Thank you for the history lesson 🙂 keep up the vids!:D
Always wondered why I have 15cm shells in my bedroom, thanks for the history lesson John.
Ha! my request came true!
Last night I send them a message asking for more flames of war!
Nice vid and story John.
But it’s not a Brummbar, it’s called Brummbär. You pronounce it almost like bear.
A Brummbar would be a a pub with a jukebox. ^^
And neither are correct! The Germans NEVER referred to this vehicle by any such designation. It is a name that was given to the vehicle by the Western forces.
If you want to be correct, you need to call it a Sturmpanzer IV
I love the history stuff! Plain old unboxings are not as fun. I think you should do fluff pieces in all the unboxings, even for fantasy and sci fi stuff 🙂
The history lessons are the only reason I watch the unboxings. Keep up the good work.
Great vid, i love the historical facts 🙂 Can we have lots more FoW related content please
How our flames of war models to make and paint? they look like they might be a bit fiddly.
And how easy is it to pick up?
Great video by the way, I love the history lessons, but it would be nice to see a completed model at the end of the video like in the older ones
Once you get the hang of it the mini’s are fairly easy to paint. 15mm can be a challenge to start with, i found it took me a while to get the hang of it. But there are some great tutorials on the internet.
If you are a beginner then the models such as artillery guns can be fiddly to assemble, but a bit of patience and they go together fine.
The game itself is very is to pick up, its a little more complex than 40K but plays just as fast once you know the rules.
Thank you john Thank you, more FoW makes Crim happy. And I love Johns History lessons ^^
I hope john makes a FoW paint vids soon.
I wonder does Fow have the German VK3601 Tanks or will they come ??
I like the history lesson. 🙂 keep up the great work!
Great vid.
I love these history lessons 😉
Just to be nit-picking you write “Brummbär” with an Ä or at least with AE.^^
John, you’ve gotta come play World of Tanks mate.
Love the extra history lessons on these videos, keep them coming!
Stu
John should make like a 1h history vid for us who like to learn some stuff also I would love that I rely like to listen to John ^^
Being a treadhead at heart….wait that doesn’t sound right… anyway, I’ve always rather liked tanks in general so eventually getting some 15mm or even 20mm pieces is always at the back of my mind. Certainly it’d take up less space than my old 40k Armoured Battlegroup that’s filling a drawer somewhere.
Sadly I don’t know anyone who plays WW2 historical of any scale never mind 15mm so it would mostly just be a modeling project. I think that makes the wee history lessons and researching more information myself even more important, it adds another aspect to the miniatures which sort of replaces the gaming side of things,though having all 3 parts would be better.
Best part with these reviews are the history lessons, keep it up!
It took John 3 minutes and 18 minutes to open the box…
…but I am not actually complaining: I could listen to him talk tanks all day 😀
Wow there. I meant 18 seconds.
18 minutes might have been a tad excessive… for an unboxing at least…
Great Vid… damn i would so like to grab a ale with john and talk german WW2 facts… to answer your (maybe Rethorical) question John, the Schurtzen were good protection against the likes of Bazookas and the british PIAT but more important, it gave a nearly 100% protection against the likes of soviet antitank grenade RPG-6…
=3 why don’t BOW just have a skip to unboxing, in there discripition, like you see on you tube, where you can just click and it jumps to a certain point, usually done to skip a opening theme or something
then again i couldnt careless, i LOVE the history lessons =D keep up the good work
Like the Stugs and Brumbear lots but would have to go 1/35 scale 😀
AFAIK the Stug originally was intended to give the infantry some artillery support before they started the Jagdpazer role. As all you guys already know so sorry for the egg sucking lesson.
Anyway, in regard of John’s closing questions I was wondering if the original role could be reinstated in more open terrain
hey John I have been really thinking about doing flames of war for a long time but now I think im going to do it what do you recommend I buy first.?
John, can you tell me what the difference is, if any, between an assault tank and an assault gun? Is it in name only, or is it to do with an element of design or their tactical implementation/role on the battlefield ?
Great video !
an assault gun is generally the name given to the turretless vehicles the germans employed. this breaks down into two variations regarding battlefield roles. The Panzerjager (Tank hunter or Tank destroyer) and the Sturm Artillerie (self propelled gun) the tank destroyer typically mounted a high velocity gun that could fire anti-tank rounds (the STuG 3 Ausf G is the best example as it mounted a 75mm PAK “Panzer Abwher Kanone”)
where as the self propelled gun (Brummbar and earlier STuG’s) mounted a short barrel artillery gun Like the 15cm gun on Brummbar and the 105mm Howitzer on some modified STuG’s.
Self propelled guns were the close big gun support for the infantry while the tank destroyers engaged at range from fixed positions. (Using the STuG 3 G as the main example here)
It gets more complicated when you look into self propelled guns as there is the close support and mechanised artillery which sported fullly fledged artillery guns but their role was to be the main artillery support for panzer units. (Hummel and Wesp are two good examples)
On later development of tank destroyers the germans had the Jagdpanther and Nashorn which were both equiped with the high velocity 88mm gun. Nashorn was let down by armour that was too thin while Jagdpanther was very sucessful in it’s role.
I would have said this all in the video but i figured you guys would’nt watch 45mins of talking before unboxing lol. Maybe i should switch to doing the history after the unboxing.
Man john you can so much you make me look stupid with my knowledge but thanks for the info ^^ I would rather listen to you for 45 min about tank info than unboxing cuz I my self find that more fun than unboxing rely.
Well, John, how about a 45+ min video on just that? Come on, we’re waiting!!! 🙂
An assault gun is a gun or howitzer mounted on a motor vehicle or armored chassis, designed for use in the direct fire role in support of infantry when attacking other infantry or fortified positions.
All I know is that assault tanks has the task of clearing heavily fortified areas and as a result favoured armour protection over mobility.
did you just go to wikipedia for that ? because I could have done that myself 😛
haha I got Wiki for the gun but the tank I did know about Im a Tank geek I love tanks and can a bit about them ><
Thanks for the history lession, I really like those 😀
I have a question, and maybe some of you will call heresy or stuff like that but well I have to ask it anyway.
I like to play 40k a lot and I’m thinking of starting an Imperial Guard army with tactics based on real life tactics that were used in different wars, mainly the ones the german used in the ww2 just because it’s the one that I know the most (not that I know too much about it though)
So my question is the following: from where can I read about this kind of tactics? both tank and troop tactics?
I will give a cookie to anyone that can help with this 😉
I hope John makes a unboxing on Ferdinand or Konigstiger Platoon just so I can hear him talk a bit about them 2 hehe ^^
I myself like the history lessons with Flames of War. BOW has lots for WHFB and 40k, I would love to see more about Flames of War in regards to rules and tactics, hell I would like to see a painted up army for FOW, it intrests me but i am still on the fence about getting into it.
I can’t imagine anyone that doesn’t like the history lessons. Isn’t one of the big reasons you play a historical game is because you are into the history?
Also, love that the video doesn’t cut away from close cam at all at the end 😉
Why can’t anyone get the name right on these…the ‘Germans’ never called in a Brummbar. To then it was the Sturmpanzer IV. Brummbar, or ‘Grizzly Bear’ was a name used by the Wester allies only.
it has a few names yes.Sturmpanzer IV also known as Sturmpanzer 43 or Sd.Kfz. 166. and it got the name Brummbär not Brummbar and it is german for Grumbler but anyway it had many name but who cares anyway ??
John, you have just made me an instant fan of “Flames of War”. I have got to give this game a go!
I love the History lessons!! 🙂
As to John’s questions as to how these work on the table in FOW? The short answer is yes, they do work…but not for the role that they were built for.
The way that the rules work in FOW means that they are fairly average at digging entrenched troops and guns out of cover…but they are supremely well equipped to hunt tanks (something that they could do, but were rather in-effective at).
This is one unit that has lots of FOW players up in arms about. Most Germans players will field a platoon because they are rather cheap compared to proper tank hunters and in most cases a LOT more effective (packing a bigger, although shorter ranged gun while sporting a LOT more armour). I never see these used as proper assault guns in play…there are far better options.
The flames of war rules are great but the minis are HORRIBLE.The 1/72 scale plastic kits are much better but a little bit expensive and takes more time to build.
The history lesson was not bad.
Big thumbs up to the history. It puts the minis and the game in context, which is pretty important as FoW is a historical game so why not find out why they were what they were.
Nobodys mentioned them in Flames though. They are pretty effective, big points investment (mid war anyway), but the gun!!!!! AT 13, FP 1+. In mid war…… Thats 2 dice rolls you don’t make anymore. Hit–> Dead.
Great Video John, Nice to see FoW getting some attention 😀
I love the quality of all the BoW videos, thats the main reason I keep watching, noone else does what you guys do to the same standard, the quality of everything is superb, the on screen graphics, sets, content, everything is great. keep up the great work guys, I hope to be watching your vids for a long time to come.
Also, I love the history lessons too 😉
Chris
I will pick up one of those for sure, Lovely kit!
Good to see some more Flames of War content – there hasn’t been much recently..!
Really thank you – I am really enjoying your ‘unboxin’ videos and I can’T complain about the private lessons in history 🙂
I would really like to see a video about more fow stuff, especially the Hetzer or the Jagdpanther (as this is my favourite Panzer).
Greetings from where the Brummbärs where built,
Stephan
I’ve been told these are a bit cheesy stats wise in FoW… I’m a relatively new player, can anyone verify that Brummbar tanks are a bit over powered (for their points value) in the game?
Also, were they anywhere near as common as Stugs historically? I get the impression they were rare.
Hey John. Dont You DARE make a Flames of War Unboxing Without a History lesson!!!!!
Or else…..
sigma83 it is 15mm afer all i love he models if you dont like it dont watch