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Games Workshop’s White Dwarf Magazine Is Changing!
January 9, 2014 by brennon
You might have seen in the News & Rumours forum that White Dwarf from Games Workshop is going to be vanishing to be replaced with something a little different. Well, we've had a dig around and have verified its authenticity and picked up a few extra snippets of information.
Here is what we know. This is going to be official in the next couple of days and will see White Dwarf changing into...
White Dwarf Weekly
This will be a twenty eight page weekly paper magazine available in trade and retail and will come to around the price of a pot of paint. It will feature new releases, the usual columns and general articles.
Warhammer Visions
Visions takes up the usual monthly slot and will also be in print, not digital. It's heralded to be a nice sexy looking magazine looking at the months releases with plenty of high quality images (this makes us think it's going to be a more collector type thing). Visions should also be in news stands rather than just in-house. The cost comes in at around the same price as the current White Dwarf and is more of a 'collectors piece'.
February is going to see these changes coming into effect and they should be floating around from the 1st. We're glad that they're sticking to the print medium and also making White Dwarf Weekly available through their independent stockists too, it should be a nice boon for them.
A weekly mini-magazine also brings into question the way releases are going to hit. Are we going to see releases weekly rather than monthly in quite a big shift? It certainly makes things more flexible for them.
Original story from Faeit 212.
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This opens some interesting options and some challenges namely:
What do you think?
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Yeah we’ve confirmed this, so it’s out of the rumor status now.
I’m really glad they kept independents in the loop, going exclusively digital would have been a shame.
Good work GW, looking forward to seeing it!
Wonder what impact this will have on those of us with a re-occurring subscription – mine has just renewed this month for the next quarter is WD it actually not going to be available anymore.
I agree, I actually forgot I had a subscription, as I haven’t lokked at it in year and then it whent on my bill a I remembered.
I guess I’ll be getting the visions then?!
Its not been very good for the past 2 years. £5 (ish) to look at our new shiny stuff. Now buy it here! Gone are the days when they had anything useful for the gaming community, such as scenarios or short stories. I for one stopped buying it ages ago. Now they want me to get adverts electrically via this iPod thing for £45 a year! Get bent with a large farmyard animal
Just to let you know i will be stealing the last bit of that statement and using it prolifically.
2 years? It hasn’t been very good since they started only having articles for the big 2 (or 3). If WD was as good as it was in the 100’s or the Fat Bloke era I might miss it, but not now.
Oh the glory days of Fat Bloke! Tis a pale glossy imitation of what was an awesome magazine.
I’ll pass judgment when I see these new WDs in my hand. What I think most people want to see is how to bring new ideas into the hobby and not a glorifed sales brochure.
Hopefully the weeklys will be limited in stock or the hobby centers will be flooded with editions that take up shelf space.
I’ll reserve judgement on the actual magazines until they come out. Anyone buying both magazines is looking at a monthly outlay of about £15.
so paying double if not triple (depending if you get the monthly and the weeklys) does ayone honestly think there will be three times the content, and I mean content not shiny adverts? Well the last thing I bought from them with any regularity is now gone then.
Anyone know what the page count of the monthly White Dwarf is? If it’s around 112 then that basically means you’re paying twice the price to get it weekly.
152 for the december issue
So twice the money for even fewer pages!
There is still a monthly Mag, more of a collectors level thing if what I can gather is accurate. so I would imagine that WD subscribers just move to that.
The weekly, seems to be a pick it up each week while your in type affair which…
Gives more flexibility for releasing new products
Encourages people to go into the stores more often to pick it up
But will be a very big project for GW to mangae and deploy, but it will go through their existing distribution setup which is pretty hot.
How on earth do they expect to deliver this internationally on a weekly basis I have no idea!
To be fair, the new monthly publication will have it’s own price tag. The bottom line is: about twice the print content per month at about triple the expense. The expense is not entirely without justification, however, since printing and shipping the weekly issues to stores are additional expenses.
As for allowing more flexibility on releases, I don’t buy that for a second. GW are free to release what they want at any time. GW’s own policies narrow their preview window and require White Dwarf to be coordinated for previews. They loosen their shackles when the key to remove them sits within reach.
Except it says all the hobby stuff are in the weekly, it sounds more like a pictures thing for the monthly.
I’ve never stopped buying it in it’s current form , it’s an addiction I tell myself “no more , it’s just a picture book” then it gets ignored . I actually bought one a couple of months ago and only picked it up to flick through when I got the next issue !
I’ve been reading a lot of my older copies recently , I forgot how many good ideas used to come from WD for games and projects .
I even came across some old copies of Warlock magazine , in the days when GW sold and advertised stuff from other companies !!
Heresy !!
Look forward to the weekly edition , and if the monthly one is rubbish , I’ll still zombie into a shop and pick it up .
Right , back to this new fangled 5th edition 40K thing 😉
It was a matter of time really. I dont see the weekly magazine lasting for more then 6 months, not in its printed form anyway. I think it’s a safe bet to say “White Dwarf Weekly” will eventually go digital only. As for the Warhammer Visions, well that’s pretty well what WD was these days anyway.
I haven’t bought a WD in several years, and as far as many of us know the WD we grew up with has been long gone. Still though, it’s sad to see a piece of gaming history vanish, I think we could all agree.
I look at it if I’m going to subscribe to some form of news for Games workshop at what 60 GBP/100.00 USD… why wouldn’t I just become a backstager here at BoW for 45 GBP/ about 75 USD and support more and better content about the entire gaming world.
see what I did there for you guys ; P I’m not one yet myself though but once the budget rebuilds itself next month or march I should be picking up an annual pass… just have to remind myself not to buy more minis : )
A company that has struggled to fill a single monthly magazine with content is now going to produce 5 magazines a month?
I cant see it. And given the recent spate of DLCesque content in the christmas countdown, I also wonder if they will cut off that income for lower profit (because production costs are exponentially higher with a printed magazine that an electronically distrubuted article) versions in a monthly mag.
If there is no actual gaming content in the monthly mag – a reason white dwarf itself has become a shell of what it was previously- then what is the selling point beyond the current mag which is likely failing for the same reason. Pretty pictures are all over their website, no need to buy a £5.50 magazine to see them, they don’t do scenery anymore beyond how to use the bought stuff, and they disapprove of pretty much any part of the hobby that doesnt involve buying things from a GW store, so what is actually left to put in the thing?
I’m still a bit bitter from the days when it was the world’s foremost RPG magazine. I really didn’t get the transition to miniature wargaming but then my BOW profile describes me as “a slumming role-player”.
I thought WD started going downhill the moment it stopped being the Owl & Weasel lol
I long for a decent general gaming magazine, like the defunct Harbinger, with the production qualities of WD (which I’ll give them) that I can pick up in my local newsagents.
I just don’t see the point of GW releasing a magazine at all, there’s very little they can present in print that isn’t already done better by the likes of BoW or any number of other fans who have set up forums or blogs to discuss various aspects of the hobby.
Modelling and painting is covered, if I want tips or advice I would much rather look through the 3colours up back catalogue, they’re not going to try and sell me 45 paints just to paint blue.
Tactics are covered online by people who won’t try and sell me ‘X’ unit because its new and shiny but because it works.
Advertising is even covered by their own website, if I want to look at what they want to sell me all I have to do is check out the web site, for free.
White Dwarf has had its day, there’s nothing in WD that I can’t get for substantially less or free online. I’d much rather pay a couple of quid a month to BoW for genuine content than whatever GW are asking for to scream “Buy ME!!!” in my face.
White Dwarf is the main way that GW normalise their games for their consumers. It’s something that’s easily taken for granted but if you’re a young kid picking up his first GW minis, WD helps you (or indoctrinates you if you prefer) fill in all the blanks. It normalises the size of the game, what the game is played on, what the armies look like, what tools are used, and so on.
I would disagree. I don’t buy the magazine, and haven’t with any consistency for about 5 years, but reviews or flicking through a mates, or occasional purchases when some new hope is promised don’t support that. Massive battle reports – apocalypse size or no points are in the ones I have seen – hardly normalisation, with no guidance other than you need every bit of crap we produce.
The games are played on Realm of Battleboards, with Citadel terrain, minis painted in the Citadel style, with Citadel paints, to Citadel colour schemes, they promote the size of game they want to people to play, and the kind of list building they want. All are intended to normalise the way the game is played to how they want it to be played.
Well I suppose in as much as that you are correct. However, most people play considerably smaller sizes and the ‘standard’ game sizes you will see people play are completely detached from what White Dwarf presents. So if it is trying to normalise its failing miserably, both in getting there desired style adopted and in preparing new players for likely gaming experiences.
Being of the generation that bought the Dwarf when GobblediGook and Thrud were considered high brow comic entertainment and when it was possible to get a mini scenario for AD&D , Paranoia or Warhammer RPG I confess to being a little saddened that this mighty name is now relegated to a smear of advertising and product placement. Sure it died for me many MANY years ago but like a school yard crush I never quite got over it. So long WD you will be missed.
Amen brother. But I still have my near mint collection of WD 9 to 130. Some great stuff in those pages but these days we’re really in the hands of the likes BOW. Fortunately the Beasts are expanding their content to cover all sorts of stuff these days. I really think we are entering another golden age of gaming.
Well said and 100% agree.
In my meaningless opinion … White Dwarf has been pretty lackluster since what 2007 or so (maybe 05). It went from being a magazine about the GW hobby to an all out advert for GW that costs one $10 bucks. Back in the day the thing was packed with all sorts of cool stuff, extra backstory, chapter approved, campaign ideas, DIY terrain articles, RPG stuff.
Also GW was supporting several sideline games all the specialist stuff and there were things pertaining to all that stuff. It is sad that GW has fallen to the point where they are tossing a venerable magazine like WD, in publication since 1977 in the gutter for a 28 page paper based “weekly” magazine …AKA some little advert paper. I guess it isn’t a big loss because WD isn’t worth the paper it is printed on anymore at present … but when one looks back to what it used to be it is a big loss. I will miss the WD of old, but again for me it died several years ago.
The stories were some of my favourite articles. I remember one about a vindicare assassin flexing one muscle at a time whilst waiting to shoot a cardinal so as not to disturb anything. I didn’t even play 40k back then but I thought it was such a cool little story. Now it’s just lookat this new stuff, lets have a battle with it. It lost the first two times so we replayed until it won.
As long is its not going Digital only I’ll be happy. If this allows them to bring back some of the content they used to have and make it more than a glorified new release catalog I think its good news.
yeah but with less pages between the weekly ones than a current white dwarf and the only thing about the monthly being the glossy pictures do we really see that ?
We all know its not going to bring back anything. They are cutting costs and it is likely going to be even more of an advert. I picture the same 10 pages every month of all the store finder crap and canned “buy this” junk. So they’ll have 20 pages to work with and what can you do for the entire GW range other than pimp whatever was released that month? We’ll get five pages of stuff that is worth looking at each week. I mean compared to the current WD … 20 pages of original content is about what we are getting now anyway per month so its the same just a different format … I guess ???
This just sounds stupid, pointless, and like another money-grabbing exercise from a company that seems to be running out of ideas, and I find that rather sad.
I used to love White Dwarf, back when it gave away free rules, scenarios, had interesting gaming and modelling tips and some nice background fluff. But all that’s pretty much gone now.
The only magazine that seems to do anything similar is Privateer’s No Quarter, which I do pick up every now and again because it’s cheap, has some decent content (a pleasant mix of fluff / advice / expert tips and rules) and you actually do seem to get a decent bit of reading for your money. White Dwarf really is just a printed internet page these days.
Wargames and miniatures is quite good. And they do a sci fi/fantasy section now. The unseen lerker was good too, but they went bump.
Hmm, sort of meh.
Maybe if they add Joeyberry as page 3 girl? She would sell millions of copies.
You are a cheeky one
No great loss. It used to have some great content but over time it just became an irrelevant and expensive new product catalogue
I’m a bit confused about the status of digital editions. Do this mean that the new mags will not have a digital edition or that they won’t be digital only. If I can’t get it on ipad like I can now, I won’t be buying it. I haven’t bought anything made of paper for about 2 years now.
I get all the information I need from BOW and other sites. And they are so much more informative and funny.
I literally cannot see the difference. Collectors magazine means what exactly? I suppose we’ll have to wait but I don’t understand why they couldn’t just get back to their old roots instead.
I hope this isn’t just a lame re-branding of more or less the same product.
sounds to me like the difference is they get more money from people..
Collectors could mean you might get more than 5 mins use out of it before its impractical and expensive bog roll
I would love to think this was a much need revamp of a product that is not worthy of the label magazine, I have always tried the new formats and revised approaches but the sad fact is I don’t believe it will be. Rather a way of charging more for glossy pics and swallow and vapid content. Particularly skeptical about the ability of GW to produce let alone maintain decent weekly content.
Still will try both, and hope to be proved to be a completely negative ass
Shallow not swallow – oops
Nothing to see here, please move along.
Its just GW selling the same stuff in a different format to con more money out of GW’s ‘loyal’ , fan base.
Just like giving you HALF the number of minatures in the box for the same cost.
Or using a cheaper casting material and charging you more for each minature.
Well, considering they royally f***ed it up when they changed it a while back. I’m not surprised they’re ditching it. Can’t believe it took this long.
White Dwarf used to be amazing but now it’s just an overly expensive figure catalogue.
Overly expensive mini catalog is a great feat of restraint openly displayed there @tasker
Its been little over 2 years since I have made any real GW purchase…
To skinny up the story I saw the release of escalation book that allows you to play super heavies in standard games. I’m thinking hey that’s uber juicy, considering I have a stompa in paint sitting at the house.
So after a long break from GW I go over to the other side of the hobby shop and look at the prices. Holy Sh*t Batman !!!
Those people over at GW are freaking nuts. I think its probably just as cost effective to swap out body parts through the illegal organ harvest trade. Than it is to actually pay cash for their stuff.
Needless to say that thought passed rather quickly…
I think I was smart to jump out of GW a couple years back when I did.
There are a host of other war games that have treated me very well since then. Feel bad for those who are still stuck in this money sink.
Don’t feel bad for me being in the sink, I’ve got plenty more to throw in, and compared to running my skyline, GW is cheap!
fair enough I will make a special effort to cheer you on. Maybe after rethinking my statement I am glad there is something like GW around for those who love to be rules lawyers over a very broken rules set.
Also people who love supporting a game company that is actively fire bombing online retailers as well as people who create sites such as this one.
I guess in that sense GW is cheap.
I have no shame and can’t let this go by 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na_ehW6hm5A
Wouldn’t know about broken rules, still playing second and third edition… And considering I do the majority of my buying from FW, why would I give a crap about online retailers who don’t stock what I want?
@deaddave
Now doing older rules editions is still pretty cool so I agree with that one…
However not giving a crap about online retailers whether they carry a certain item or not, is a far reach indeed. For atleast myself…
A lot of the buzz and continued support for the community has been largely supported in recent times by the online retailers.
armorcast
battlefoam
40k radio
wayland
beasts of war
miniwargaming
privateer press
ETC…
I am sure I have missed a ton of game makers and retailers who have supported the hobby by either creating video or audio content or flipping the funds to help make it possible.
In turn brought new people into the hobby- BoW snagged me unaware a few years back. Whether it be a blessing or a cursing remains to be seen.
LOL
Anyway you should give a crap and most people who make this hobby there way of supporting themselves. Will surely try and at all possible get you what you need.
Maybe you should rethink your last statement towards me ?
I am watching GWs misdoings from a save distance, protected by my excellently sculpted and reasonably priced Infinity miniatures.
GW couldn t even fill the regular WD with enough real content at a pretty vain price tag at a monthly release schedule. I doubt they will deliver anything of interest for grown ups.
Errrrr… FORGEWORLD
And compared to buying my house, GW is reasonably priced.
Compared to my hobby of catapulting brand new Ferraris into the ocean gwPLCs’ products are reasonably priced, compared to almost every other competitor out there they are terrible value for money.
Well considering its disposable income, value for money doesn’t come into it. They have a product i want and can easily afford, I pay, simple as.
And GW is the only company of its sort that has a high street presence… Where’s the fleets of shops from other providers where i can walk into a shop and see models and buy them on the spot? They may be more expensive, but they are a hell of alot more convenient, and everything is about convenience these days.
Given that you said you buy most of your minis from FW then in most cases you can’t go into a store, see the minis, and buy what you want. You can look at them online and then order them to the store, but it’d be more convenient to order them to your home.
Personally, I find online shopping much more convenient than going to a GW store, and I’ve got four within 10 miles of me. Transport to and from the store wipes out what I’d spend on postage, I don’t get any discount, and it takes me a lot longer to make the trip to and from the store than it does to the collections office if I’m not in for the delivery. Unless I need the mini immediately, the store is the inferior option for me.
Perhaps I like to move away from the front of my computer and go into my local store for a chat? Or are you just trying to pick a fight?
Maybe you do, though I can only go by what you said, which was that the stores allow you to go in, look at the minis, and then buy them on the spot. As they don’t sell FW minis in the stores and you’ve also stated that they are the majority of your GW mini purchases, that means you couldn’t buy most of your minis on the spot and in the resin by going into a store. If that sounds like picking a fight to you, then that is your belligerent prerogative.
And my comment about the shops was in response to @paddycorkman comment about GW not being very good value for money compared to other companies models. The other companies do not have a high street presence, that costs money. Does that suffice? Or are you going to continue to pick holes in my comments @redben ?
Nope, all done.
Forgeworld ? Meh. Casting problems. There’s better out there.
Another GW thread, another stream of insults aimed at people who choose to buy GW products. It saddens me that a war gaming website should be so full of wargamers insulting other wargamers because they play a different game.
I’m not sure that anyone has insulted anyone else, all seems pretty well mannered and polite to me. Maybe I’m missing something?
Yes, you’re missing the usual snide comments about GW trying to “con more money out of GW’s ‘loyal’ , fan base” and WD not having “anything of interest for grown ups”.
And that’s insulting because….
Seriously, I’m struggling here.
Are you really ‘that’ guy?
And which guy would that be exactly? Allow me to explain. It’s insulting because its trotting out, yet again, the usual anti GW drivel about GW customers being idiots and children conned out of their pocket money by a company which is only interested in selling them over priced crap. This is insulting to the millions of people world wide who buy and enjoy GW products.
I’m a 45 year old man who enjoys reading White Dwarf, but according to you a “grown man with sensible taste” couldn’t like this magazine … and you don’t see the insult.
No, grown men with sensible tastes acknowledge that different people have different tastes and enjoy different things. That seems to be forgotten though in every post about GW and it becomes perfectly acceptable on BoW to say whatever you like about 40k players and GW customers.
Its pathetic the way that people fall over themselves to try to out do each other with stories about how much they hate GW on this site.
I don’t see it that way. I love warhammer, quest, man o war, talisman, old editions of 40k (2nd), and the majority of their models. What I don’t like is their sales techniques, the disenfranchisement of players who have been loyal, the lack of respect by a large portion of their staff, the elitism of their product and how they consider it a separate hobby, not an all inclusive umbrella of miniatures and wargaming, the destruction of old canon because they no longer own the rights. Last of all their bloody stupid insistence of putting skulls on every sodding thing and making their products inferior yet more expensive and trying to shift the blame on to the consumer. I used to be the model maker for the shop in my home town and your books being full of typo’s and rules errors is definitely not my fault.
I still play these systems despite my distaste of gw. But I do not buy of them anymore. Ebay or my flgs. Element games. Where he gives people advice and even posts it onto his facebook page. Listens to his customers, ie he’s just got in the fireforge models after me asking if he was ever going to stock them. All I get of gw staff is. Why aren’t you buying the mutalith beast, it’s awesome, what do you mean you don’t like the model, it’s awesome you’re an idiot. You should buy it. Actually happened in gw bury. I actually got an apology off gw 4 mounths after I wrote them an email and they told me that they would retrain him.
I really do not see the insulting implication.
I just look at a White Dwarf and ask myself how can anyone possibly pay so much money for this ? Say what you want, but the quality of WD leaves a lot to be desired, if you are a grown man, with sensible taste. Seeing 14 year old folks gettin all pumped because off the mag… I can imagine the 14 year old version of me being among them, but honestly… my mind reached a stage beyond this and I am proud to say it takes more than the current version of WD to satisfy me.
I used to like GWs systems and models, but I feel I have outgrown them. I dont like the way the company interacts with its customerbase and a lot about the games just dont fits with me anymore. They lost me as a customer and I used to spent thousends of bucks a year on their stuff.
Some people have more disposable income than others. GW fans are in the higher bracket. So how can they possibly pay so much money for it? Because it isn’t a lot of money.
If I compare it to other magazines I buy it IS expensive considering its offering which IS poor. I dont care if people buy or like or dislike WD, but defending its quality is beyond reason, because there is simply none.
I wasn’t defending its quality, I think its shit myself. Just pointing out, that for some people its pocket money and price doesn’t factor into it.
The vast majority of comments have just been critical of GW itself, not the fan base.
You should stop taking such criticisms so personally.
I didn’t take anything personally. I’m just bored of having to skip through the same crap in every single thread about GW.
And yet you keep coming on here in the comments, berating people for giving opinions on GW that goes against your own. I’m sorry that we don’t like what you do.
Now are some of these opinions expressed in an over-the-top manner with a healthy dose of snide? Yeah, I’d say so. Welcome to the Internet. I take it you must be new here. (<—-Example)
I've seen at least two new posts started by you already complaining that people are complaining about GW. And then you get dismissive with these people's opinions by claiming the hate only comes from people who want to "look cool" or labeling them as "haters".
I would agree that the conduct of some people could be better when displaying their dislike of GW. But your own conduct needs improvement too.
By all means criticise what I’ve said, but please don’t tell lies about me to reinforce your point. I mean, you quote “haters”. I never said that and I have never used that word. You can’t tell me I’m behaving badly and then make up a quote to prove it.
It is like Apple products. There are fanboys/girls who love Apple no matter what. Then there are people who hate Apple no matter what. Any comments that are normal, middle of the road get auto-ignored by fans and haters and/or just lumped in with the haters/fans. Selective attention at work.
I for one do not hate GW, far from it. I personally don’t like the direction they have gone since 5th ed. with 40K but I still own loads of GW stuff. I still pay attention to new models, etc. and play the occasional “oldhammer” game with friends. Whenever I make a negative or positive comment anywhere though … typical internet … it is met with derision by either the fanboys or the haters for not being harsh enough. I see this as par for the course on the anonymous internet. Such is life.
At the end of the day I think it comes down to the fact that GW spends a lot on marketing their products and they are still the industry leader. That means they will have a huge target on their arse and they are going to draw endless hate/fanboys.
Well said.
End of day if you don’t like it don’t buy it no-one is forcing you to
Yeah, but if they didn’t post on BoW about how much they hate GW every other day, then how would they prove how cool they are?
Yeah man, you nailed it.
And if you dont like opinions others than yours, well let others keep em.
So they want us to buy 4 White Dwarfs a month at £9.60 (if it will indeed be £2.40 like a pot of their paint), plus a “special” monthly one?
Damn, it’d have to be really worth it to buy them that often!
White Dwarf weekly? Sorry old bean, not interested anymore. If only there was a mag to cater for everyone. What we really need is BOW in print on a monthly basis….
Perhaps this is the impetus I have needed to cancel my subscription which I have been considering for a while now? I have been a subscriber for a long long time and have previously enjoyed the magazine. Sadly this has not been the case for some time but I have not had the heart to cancel it possibly due to nostalgia or I mebee just because I wouldn’t get post otherwise (apart from bills etc). Anyway, surely if this is right subscribers would have had something in the post first? I assume there are rules governing this kind of thing?
I agree the weekly magazine release could be to get people in the gw shops more often where the staff (only commenting on several of the ones I have dealt with, I am sure there are some good ones out there) can give the hard sell to people
Yay!! I am glad they are ditching the current format! I have over 250+ White Dwarf magazines. Back in the day they were great. Interesting articles, background fluff, stories, battle reports, tips on making scenery, tips on painting…a true hobby magazine. Nowadays they are just glorified advertising brochures that take two minutes to read. I flick through, go “ooooo” at the nice pics… and it’s finished. I say bring back the old format. Make the magazine about the Warhammer community, not $$$$$$, and ironically I bet sales will increase. 🙂
I’m confused, I thought you were going to stop reporting on GW topics after all those threats of lawsuits etc? Don’t get me wrong, I’m thrilled to be seeing GW news on here as well… I just seem to recall you announcing that while back and many thousands of comments on the matter. ??
Yip, you are confused 🙂 BoW are flying solo (without being affiliated to a GW retailer) so that they CAN still report and comment on GW stuff.
But I recall them saying they weren’t going to anymore back in october…?
http://www.beastsofwar.com/games-workshop/announcement/
That’s not what they said. In brief, BoW’s formal relationship with Wayland meant any coverage of GW product on the site would leave Wayland open to trade sanctions. That left BoW with the choice of either stopping covering GW, or ending the relationship with Wayland. They chose the latter so that they could continue to cover GW.
Seriously people, most news posts on BoW get 2 or 3 comments from people saying what they like about it. Mention anything to do with GW and dozens of people descent to post negative comments. Is that really what we want BoW to be like?
Pretty much like that on every site that talks about GW… it seems to be unavoidable, but when You’re the big guy and most hobbyists have a great deal on money invested in their products, they also have a lot of emotion invested.
Maybe, but look at the last 3 big stories. One is a positive one about Deadzone with a great constructive discussion – brilliant! The other two though are people whining about a magazine they don’t buy and the other is people moaning about a TV show they haven’t seen. Makes us look like a miserable bunch if you ask me.
So if we’re asked whether we’re going to watch a programme and we don’t think it’ll be any good then we shouldn’t say anything? And I’m guessing that whilst calling WD overpriced is insulting to people who buy it, calling people miserable who don’t think 3M will be any good is not insulting to them? It musn’t be, otherwise you wouldn’t have said it given the fuss you kicked up earlier about how comments can be insulting to others.
And what about those people moaning about other people moaning. Bit hypocritical of them don’t you think?
That’s not what I’m saying at all and I wasn’t aware that I’d “kicked up a fuss”, I thought I’d just made a comment.
I don’t know if you are willfully twisting what I said to score points, but I was actually pointing out that it sometimes feels that the threads which get the most posts are the ones in which people are negative about the thing being discussed. I’m not saying anyone doesn’t have the right to be negative about anything. I’m more questioning whether people are more likely to make a negative post than a positive one.
I know I can be guilty of this too, that’s why I said “us”. I see lots of things I like on BoW but don’t bother to say so, but jump in the minute I have a complaint. I’m doing it now, see. I’m just asking whether we should maybe all make more of an effort not to fall into this trap?
You took some offence, and rightly so IMO, at some of the comments here. You then said that the negative comments here and on the 3M post made us look miserable. As someone who made a negative comment on the 3M post, I took that just as you took the WD is overpriced rubbish comments that were made on here. I don’t feel that expressing a negative opinion makes us look miserable. As long as they’re expressed appropriately and constructively I think they add to the site. I do tend to think of WD as being overpriced with nothing worth reading. Your contribution here made me reassess that.
Oh no, no. Please don’t mistake me. I wasn’t offended by anything anyone said. I am dismayed however that what could have been an interesting discussion about a change to a magazine format is made virtually impossible by this thread being swamped by people who don’t buy the magazine, have no interest in buying the magazine and never would buy the magazine, queuing up to tell us they don’y buy it. So what? how on earth is that actually making any kind of meaningful contribution to discussing this news item?
Whilst reading it over and over can get it a bit repetitive, it isn’t without value. It shows that there’s a common reason why many people don’t read it, it suggests that from the little we currently know, the new format isn’t appealing to former readers, and it points out the possible amplification of the perceived lack of value the new format will have if it sticks to the content of the current one.
Ultimately, the reason there’s not a more constructive discussion is because we know next to nothing about the new magazines. In the absence of any real information, and with the interest that anything GW does generates, this is what we’ll have.
You’re absolutely right about the absence of any real information. We don’t know what the new magazine will be like, whether or not it will be an improvement, whether or not it will appeal to more people or appeal to former readers. I prefer to reserve judgement until I actually get some real information to make a judgement on.
Know what? You need a BIG hug! You see this guy @erastus I love him. Your right about us being a bit bitchy about GW, but that comes with the territory being the biggest mini company around and also when it becomes obvious they don’t really value us as customers.
I find that most negative comments on websites about GW are really one of only a few places people that feel disenfranchised from them can vent with others. They as a company don’t keep open dialog with the community so the community lashes out. It’s not constructive but I do see where many people come from and tend to ignore them as it’s their means of releasing frustration over something they wish was better.
seems like they want three times the money off me per month, is it raining?
Interesting changes, like you guys Im happy they didnt go full digital, I realise that digital is where its at for a lot of people but I still like to have a proper magazine sometimes.
I dont buy White Dwarf every month and I doubt Ill be picking uop either of these every issue but I do think Ill start buying more often by the sounds of the two magazines.
Is digital the right way to go. Considering that it’d be much easier to get a free copy of a program such as scribed
LONG LIVE WHITE DWARF ………
Don’t care, I’m done with GW and their attitude.
Wow! Didn’t have a clue until now. I buy WD now and again and loved it back in the day but it certainly is a shadow of it’s former self when I go back through my collection to compare. I for one really hope this signals a return -at least in part- to a more exciting and diverse publication which I believe the weekly could offer. Keep the monthly with lovely pics and a heavy release focus if people want that too (that’s fine) and make people excited about the world and hobby with weekly articles, art, fluff, scenarios – above all bring some fun and whimsy!
I will be positive and really hope this is a move with good intentions – I fear I might be disappointed but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt GW. Once more for old time’s sake!
Bring back Fat Bloke and actual gaming articles and I’ll throw money at it lol
My local game shop confirmed that GW new product releases will be weekly.
I haven’t seen this many comments since the Dropzone starterbox give away. 😀 (Ok maybe a bit more..but yeah)
I’ll be very sad to see the digital WD go away. Those were always great for every business trip I took. Does anyone have a suggested digital replacement? Something I can read on the plane and in the hotel sans wifi?
You know I really wish I could love 40k again. I really do. To this day it is still my favorite sci-fi setting. But the attitude of GW is just too off-putting.
Rules and prices are not what actually make me angry with the company. I can list other miniature companies whose rules I don’t like or whose prices I feel are a bit too high.
However it is only GW that seems to increasingly reduce their celebration of the hobby. Others have stated on WD losing much of the interesting content in favor of being one large advertising magazine. I would have to concur. Yes part of the point of WD is too promote upcoming product but when they combined it with other aspects of the hobby there seemed to be more genuine enthusiasm about it. I think I’d get my point across with a couple of examples…
Current WD format regarding new Tyranids: “New Tyranid models, coming in March!”
Former WD format regarding new Tyranids: “New Tyranid models, coming in March…and here are some cool conversions we made from them…and guide to DIY terrain to go along with the new minis…oh, and how about an alternative Ultramarine army based around their war with the ‘Nids? I mean, why not? It’s cool!!!”
I miss that showing of love for the hobby and if this past Gamesday is any indication GW seems to have no interest in that anymore. It would be awesome IMHO if the “WD-but-not-WD” monthly mag at least brought this back. But I’m not holding my breath.
As much as I’m in the GW camp, even I will admit the magazine is crap compared to 10/15 years ago. Ohhh and don’t get me started on gamesday!
I was an avid subscriber in the 80’s and early 90’s. I tried to get back into it twice in the past 10 years: had a subscription for a couple of years and then I occasionally bought single issues of the last reincarnation (partly because it’s the only miniatures mag on the newsstands over here).
I had already made my decision to stop buying it, I just didn’t find anything to read in it. If I buy a magazine, I read it cover to cover (I’m a bit pedantic that way). Despite being 100-odd pages, I got through WD in a couple of hours. A copy of WI, WS&S or MW lasts days if not weeks.
WD was extremely formulaic. There was ofcourse the new models, a battle report, a couple of columns and actually very little else. All the same in every issue, just with new pictures.
I didn’t really miss the rules stuff since I stopped playing their games long ago. But I do miss the modelling articles they used to do. Ones with actual instructions. These days you might see converted models but never instructions how to make them and never any usage of non-GW parts or even plasticard.
I think the weekly format probably won’t be on the newsstands here and since I don’t frequent game shops, I’ll probably never even have the chance to see the new format.
I’m very new to the hobby after a 25 year hiatus. I haven’t even played my first game yet, so I can’t comment on what WD was like 10 years ago. I did buy it in the 80s and its really a totally different magazine now to what it was back then. I’m really not expecting to ever see a Runequest article.
I’ve been buying WD for the last few months now and I do enjoy flicking through it. I buy it in the full knowledge of what it is now. I wish it was better though and I agree with pretty much everything you have said here.
I can understand why GW don’t want to print rules in WD, but it would be nice to have more articles about hobby related stuff. My hobby consists entirely, at the moment, of painting and converting. I’d love to see more articles about these aspects of the hobby. I’d love to see some painting articles showing more advanced techniques rather than just how to slap some paint on the new releases to get them ready for the tabletop.
The first thing I turn to in every copy I buy is Blanchitsu. That’s the kind of thing I want to see more of. I would happily pay for a weekly magazine showcasing what real people are doing with their hobby that is interesting and different, which is essentially what Blanchitsu is. Expand it though, beyond Blanchitsu’s rather narrow focus on the Inquisition and you’re onto a winner, for me at least.
That’s the problem on here, people cant separate gamers and modelling enthusiasts, take the gaming out of it and GW provide the largest and best selection of sci-fi and fantasy models on the the planet. Price is relative, so for those of us with a high disposable income, price isn’t an issue. For those who question the GW ethics, better start making your own clothes and growing your own food, because somewhere down the line you are supporting a greedy company… Ohh and don’t use electricity or gas. Good luck.
Speaking as a modeller, I am disappointed by the WD content.
To me modelling is about making things. WD used to have great articles about converting models or even scratch-building. They used to have great articles about building terrain, something I’m especially fond of.
No longer. If it can’t be bought from a GW store, it does not exist and won’t shown in the magazine. Some conversions (using GW bits only) are shown, but never actual instructions for making them.
In fact, again speaking as a modeller, I think the quality of model builds has gone down. E.g. there no longer seems to be any effort made to hide the part seams on the models. They may have stunning paintjobs but it’s jarring to me to clearly see where the seams for the component parts are. They are looking more and more like toys rather than models.
Your absolutely right @maxxon, WD has nothing for the modeller who wants to scratch build or convert for fun. As for GW products, i haven’t bought a plastic kit for yonks, everything I have been buying is from forgeworld, so I cant actually speculate on the quality of the plastic kits anymore.
Yeah have to agree. Flicking through a WD at the FLGS and well. It’s poor content. Currently I get No Quarter, and since I play all the games (WM/H and IKRPG) it’s a really good balance of stuff in there.
And yes, my history of gaming means that I got into GW stuff back when 40k 2nd ed came out, and played loads of Necromunda. So I was used to seeing lots of articles for the games, new rules, free card inserts that made scenery, free games, and of course I worked at a GW store for 3 years from 2002-2005 and well, WD was just about OK then, but it was clear how it was changing, no matter how much the store staff moaned about the rag it was becoming.
“Best” is also relative. I don’t think GW do the best minis anymore and haven’t for a number of years. It’s not entirely their fault as mass producing plastic kits isn’t conducive to producing the best quality minis, but even so. In terms of cost, I’m in complete agreement. If I want to play a game badly enough then I won’t let the cost of the minis get in the way.
Anyone noticed the trend that GW are less about miniatures and more about publishing, reformatting and re-publishing, breaking into smaller bits and re-re-publishing… especially in digital/virtual with high-margins.
More of the same! Do I simply cancel my Direct Debit to cancel?
That depends on the T&C of your DDR agreement with them. Best to cancel both the subscription with GW and the DDR with your bank.
An interesting thread.
The GW saga continues…
Saga? More like a wet fart these days lol
tbh – I struggle to find any reason or point to buying any White Dwarf magazine. Most of the ones I have read just seem to be pretty marketing pages trying to entice you into buying the latest models. There was very little in the way of tactics and like someone else has mentioned, building your own scenery, conversions etc. Maybe they want to have less of the marketing/sales stuff with their weekly editions, but it is still from their (biased) point of view.
For me personally, the best resource for 40k hobby stuff is online on websites such as this, fan made forums/articles/blogs, youtube videos etc. All of which are free to view and give honest opinions. I for one would much rather get the opinion of everyday wargamers than an employee of GW.
I have to agree with @erastus about oceans of negativity. Far be it from me to tell you guys what you can and cannot say, the point of these comment sections is to express opinion, and we love you for that. However, as someone who genuinely loves the ‘Game’ aspect of Games Workshop it does make you disheartened to read the comments section sometimes.
I’m fully aware, doing what I do, of the business practices of Games Workshop and how insanely expensive it is for some people to get into it (me included) – and to a degree, no that’s not right and should be highlighted. But, when I get excited about something new, be it the Hobbit miniatures or the prospect of Dwarfs coming this year (…yeah the rumours say February for those who don’t know yet) and then I get bombarded with notifications and emails from replies just dissing the company, rather than talking about the topic I get peeved.
It happens regularly at my local gaming store. A while ago I was sitting down to play Warhammer 40,000 with a friend and another chap, a Warmachine player, came over and started ranting about GW and the way he felt he was being done over by them compared to Privateer Press (which incidentally isn’t much cheaper when it comes to price). All I wanted to do was enjoy my game but this fellow was intent on ruining that gaming experience with chat that I, and pretty much everyone else was aware of. We’d made a conscious choice to sit down and play that game of 40k because we’d made the armies and enjoyed the background, and loved the game – despite the company.
Same has happened in the case of Warhammer Fantasy. Sat down to play that with friends and got three or four people standing around us berating our choice and saying we should be playing Kings of War instead. Sure, that’s a nice enough game but I like Warhammer Fantasy thank you.
I’m not a GW fanboy – I will rant about their practices from time to time but I do enjoy their GAMES and love the worlds they create. There is of course a place to rant about GW (and this might be it) but just be careful not to ruin other peoples enjoyment of their hobby because it’s not your choice of game.
Not saying that this the case here of course, just having my little afternoon tantrum 😉 I think I’ll make a nice cup of tea now.
BoW Ben
Unfortunately part of living in a ‘community’ is that not everyone will share your opinion on everything.
I would say that as long as people are civil there is no problem. It can get a bit old when you keep hearing opinions that you may disagree with, but thats just life I’m afraid.
Sometimes (quite often really) on the internet people forget to be polite, but on BoW I’ve always thought that people maintained a certain level of respect which is a big part of why I keep coming back to this website, but at the same time differing opinions are allowed and even encouraged.
To GW fanbois I would say that you have to accept that GW have tried a lot of peoples patience over the years and their business decisions WILL get scrutinised by people. Criticism of GW should not be taken so personally.
To rabid GW haters remember that if somebody chooses to play 40k or Warhammer it doesn’t make them a corporate stooge, they do it because it genuinely gives them pleasure and that is absolutely fine. By all means question GW as a business but keep the insults to people who enjoy GW products to a minimum!
Keep insults to a minimum? How about stopping them altogether?
Everyone loves a bit of banter 😉
Playful banter? Yes, even I will take the piss out of GW, but some people on here seem to have had their lives shattered and ruined by GW, can’t believe I haven’t been called a fascist yet for continuing to fund their regime. Heil Gee Dubya 😉
A person walking over to your game and berating you for choice is so far over the line they deserve a slap. Saying that WD is an overpriced catalogue in response to a story about changes to WD seems fair enough, as long as it doesn’t descend to insulting people form liking it, which I don’t think this has, and I don’t think Ben thinks it has either, and his point is well made.
Coming at it from the other side of table, you might find it disheartening when people make negative comments about the games you play, but at least people are playing them and talking about them. I’d much rather that than never even see a story about my own personal favourite mass fantasy battle game. I’d kill for a bunch of negative comments on it as it at least means people are aware of it and playing it.
Completely agree with the above.
I do have a negative view of White Dwarf, but I also remember what it was, which is possibly why my current view is negative and I think I am objective enough to remove the majority of the rose tint about the older white dwarfs – and it has had its up and down. I collected from 105 through to about 5 years ago. However, I also genuinely hope it is an improvement – if its good then it may well justify the money, and the split may offer choice which is never a bad thing. Unfortunately GWs track record lately is doesn’t foster that hope. Not that I am anti-GW, nor am I pro-GW (Well not now, used to help run a club and 6 – 7 local tournaments a year at one point)
Those that still like it, great you have another thing that can look forward to each month. As some song goes if it makes you happy …
@ erastus the how what you where trying to communicate was more of the issue that the what. Something that is very easy to do via typed electronic communication, no matter how carefully you think you have put it. However, stating peoples posted opinion many of which are probably genuine are only made to be cool is never going to start a positive dialogue. Reading your post below I would add one comment, discussion will only hold widely differing view if the people having the discussion have differing views. If you want people to take up opposing points for the sake of a differing opinions you maybe should look for a debating forum.
So what you’re saying is people round here make no distinction between what is obviously a flippant, throw away line and what is clearly a more considered and level headed post by the same person? Ok, thanks for the advice, I’ll keep that in mind.
I am saying what I have just said, a flippant comment often doesn’t translate as such on a forum. It lack the tone, modulation and body language to support it – which spoken communication would have. Still if friendly helpful advise is a problem for you I do apologise
No, I genuinely meant it. I’m probably guilty of exactly what you said, so thank you.
It’s unfortunate in a way that I happen to like GW products since it actually ends up confusing the point I was trying to make. I didn’t jump into this thread to try to defend GW or WD ( although I may have been sidetracked into saying a few things in their defence in reply to other comments). I would have said exactly the same thing as I did even if I also didn’t like GW and I did the same in the Musketeers thread – i would never describe myself as a 3 Musketeers fan.
@brennon at least, understands what I was saying. Of course many, many people don’t like WD. I doubt there is anyone who has given even a cursory glance at the wider hobby who is unaware that there are many, many people who don’t like WD, are not overly fond of GW as a company and don’t like their products. Of course, no thread about GW would be complete without somebody pointing that out. However, what we have here close to 100 comments pointing that out.
Now once something has been said, it’s been said and maybe people want to agree with that, as is their right, but for 100 comments to essentially say the same thing over and over serves no purpose except to actually stifle any hope of having a meaningful discussion or exchange of ideas. By the time you get to the 5th or 6th I’m thinking, “yeah I know, I know, yeah that’s already been said, and that and that and that and that” and I’m desperately hunting for the comment that has something new to add to.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including my right to have an opinion about your opinion and your right to have an opinion about my opinion of your opinion and my right … Well, you know what I mean. I’m not trying to tell anyone what to say or what to think. I’m not saying anyone’s opinion is wrong or invalid. All I’m saying is that if your opinion is exactly the same as the 50 people who have already posted, then what are you contributing to the debate by being identical post number 51?
Of course, someone will say, but people what to demonstrate that their opinion is in the majority by agreeing, to which I reply; that’s what polls are for. Discussion should not be about saying the same thing ad nauseum. You might disagree with me. You might want discussions on BoW to be like this one. You’re entitled to your opinion. So am I.
You must understand though that when people have an opinion, express said opinion on a legitimate forum for said opinion to be expressed upon, and then you berate them for doing so… it doesn’t paint you in the best light.
* When I say paint you in the best light I guess what I mean is people are not as receptive to your point.
Generally people are open to debate, but if you try and stifle said debate by not allowing people to express their opinions for whatever reason then in my experience people do get quite touchy.
There aren’t as many anti-WD posts on here as you make out, but there are a fair few. Turning it around, and out of curiosity, if there were a lot of posts saying “WD is great, I love it and I’ll miss the old format”, would you still think that after the first few, no-one else should express the same opinion? That isn’t a rhetorical question, I’m genuinely curious.
Unfortunately I have to agree, a hundred identical positive comments is pretty much the same as a hundred negative… Two sides of the same coin.
I think a glut of negative comments can be worse, especially if you don’t agree with them. You can pass over positive ones a little easier. As I said a little earlier, the main problem is that we have so little information on the new magazines that there isn’t much else to do but argue over them and antagonise each other lol
I’m not saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to, I am saying that I wish people didn’t because it makes for very boring reading. We have a karma system here, how about we used that instead? If a hundred people agree with what you said wouldn’t it be better for your post to get a hundred thumbs up rather than be followed by a hundred identical comments? It would certainly make things more entertaining and lively.
Well enough complaining about complaining and enough repeating myself about repetition (yes, I’m fully aware of the delightful irony). I’ve moaned enough for the year, said my piece and hereby resolve to only say positive and constructive things on BoW for the rest of 2014. Good night, you lovely, lovely people.
Good night you sexy beast
The international distribution is going to be interesting, even if it’s just because of customs. I don’t know much about GW’s distribution system but unless they have a US printer, those of us in the US will be several weeks behind. Distributors will have to be on the ball to make sure the weekly issues reach stores on time. As someone in the magazine publishing and printing business, I’d love to read why GW believes this is a smart business move. The cost of printing will increase, as will shipping costs. I honestly don’t see an upside for GW, but there’s likely something I’m not aware of.
I think GW have a distribution centre in Tennessee.
The Outpost* have posted this on their FB page –
” New Monthly magazine called ‘warhammer visions’ which is all the cool pics, bat reps, tutuorials etc (essentially a mini monthly annual) around 240 pages and 7.50GBP.
White Dwarf is to become a weekly magazine will be 2.40GBP and contain weekly new releases as well as some other funky bits and bobs. No subscriptions available and only in GW stores and Independents.”
*An LGS in Sheffield.
@redben – Thanks for the info, I’m quite intrigued now I must say. Yes £7.50 is a lot for a monthly issue but if it’s 240ish pages and so long as a third of it isn’t just their stock promo sections of crap x2 and some actual content (which I still fear it might be) I’d consider it (not every month mind) as a frivolous purchase now and again -especially if the releases of the month appeal.
As for the weekly, I think £2.40ish sounds okay if it’s not just a release pamphlet and has some unique articles in too and maybe some dialogue with readers (readers armies, conversions, lists, letters etc). It’s in the sports paper/comic book territory for me and I can see myself picking it up with some shopping as an impulse buy as I do with other similarly priced publications.
Of course we’ll have to wait and see when they arrive but I must say I am very cautiously optimistic at this stage. Yes it’s a lot if you buy everything each month I suppose but I don’t know how many people would do so – I know I couldn’t!
My guess is that GW wouldn’t expect the weekly to be something that their customers bought every week (though some obviously will) but will pick up on a trip to the store or when a given issue’s content is particularly interesting to them. That they won’t be offering subscriptions is telling in that respect.
The monthly could be awesome or it could be awful. If the higher price and page count reflects a greater investment in the content then it could be a Cry Havoc-esque must have that people will want to own and track down. Worst case scenario is it’s just pages of photos and advertising copy. Probably somewhere in between.
I thought I’d keep my eye on my email for GW’s newsletter about this White Dwarf rumour being confirmed on Saturday, according to Faeit 212’s OP.
So far, not a sausage.
Good night. 😀
I left out the start of The Outpost’s announcement as it didn’t give any info on the magazines. What it said was that because it had passed midnight and was officially Saturday, they were now allowed to discuss them publicly. Unless they are playing a joke on us, or GW are playing a joke on them, that would suggest that yesterday was the day in which it was official.
Although I havent bought White Dwarf in many many moons, (or a GW mini in a long time either, not trying to fan the flames, just stating fact) If the new weekly revamp actually contains hobby articles, how to make terrain, conversion tips, interesting scenarios, alternate rules, then I would buy it.
In a nut shell if it went back the way it used to be 10 years ago, or the way PP No Quarter is now, then it would be worth my pennies
Interested to see how this pans out. Could have nice scope to allow you to buy more specific publications (ie. an army-specific edition) without feeling like you’re having to pay for other articles you won’t read.
*gets ready to go into GW and browse for England*
As with others here, I to am guilty of having a love hate relationship with GW. However I think for me its morphed into a bigger picture in reference to the hobby as a whole.
To have people just take a piss on others who are not torn from the fabric known as the infernal GW camp. Whether it be a new kick starter game maker or retailer, online or otherwise. Or just a fan who enjoys games from mantic or somebody else.
I don’t know if I am even really saying this right, but everyone concerned, that is in this hobby regardless of what part of it. ” is us” and represents us. I mean we are the ones that are passionate about this thing called war gaming.
You know GW does deserve the credit for creating this fantastic past time.
However,
The failings we see now are not really about the price tag if you want the truth, atleast for me its about watching the same game maker that does deserve a lot of credit. Turn around and attack everyone in sight…
I mean BoW, and miniwargaming and many others, those guys are us those are our people.
They are freaking one of us A group of gamers who take this passion or hobby if you will and try and take it to the next level.
To only be pounded repeatedly by this juggernaut known as GW.
I mean when anything that takes up space in this world starts to eat its own, its destiny is at the end of the matter very short to say the least.
I hope I explained myself properly because this is what bothers me about this hobby of ours.
Thanx for reading I’m sure it was a bit long winded.
Word is that the current WD subscriptions will roll onto Visions. If that’s true then that means they’ll be a bargain for those who want that magazine.
this looney idea is how they plan to make up profits and get the stocks up
Its been a glorified catalog……the days of yore and cool ideas was to creative and innovative….i have mags when D&D and other companies were written about and they advertised there stuff.
Now WD is to glossy to use in the out house…..if ya can find it in western canada.
Place your bets boys….i say 6month or less this dies
Am I the only one that calls this more BS from Games Workshop? A monthly mag that was about £5, I missed out on early copies as only just started to buy it now and then after it had changed. Back in the later 80s and 90s in school I couldn’t afford it.
So it was £5 for monthly content, that will now be weekly at £2.40. The weekly content will add up to what would be in the monthly mag. So you essentially now have to pay £9.60 a month instead of the £5.
When will they stop pissing on their customer base.