Weekender XLBS: Age Of The Rebuttal
August 25, 2019 by warzan
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Happy Sunday!!! And there’s no rebuttal to that! 😀 😛 😀
Happy Sunday CoG Brothers and Sisters!
It’s the XLBS Show!
This is my favorite show of the week, as we get to see our hosts talk passionately about what they are doing for themselves this week in hobby.
Grab a Mountian Dew, something to munch on, and put your feet up!
It’s time for the show………….
I like and vote for the Underground Mat. But we could do underground but part of the mountain split open so some snow drops in so there could be snow on buildings and some ground e en though it’s underground in a mountain. ?
Also, I vote for the Khador war wagon. The Wild West machine is just too silly in this army context. IMHO
For the bases you should go blue lava
I was planning it on my abyssals which is how I knew it exists
The blue lava was one of the outstanding tidbits of info that came out of the 40k Hobby Weekend.
When I heard you talk about it @avernos I was like, “I’ve never heard of that! How is it that I’ve never heard of that?”
I can’t wait to see your Abyssals!
Morning Everyone,
Just about to watch the show.
Happy Sunday CoGs
I Vote for Underground und Horse Power! 😉
Snow and warmachine war wagon is my vote …..sorry Warzan .
What your describing about ranges and cover in WW2 games is Crossfire by Arty Conliffe
it’s even back in print I believe
It is. We played a whole Bastogne campaign with it. The tank rules aren’t great so we used a version of the old Newbury rules which worked well
Chaos <3 And apart from the illusion mechanic, it should be very very easy to convert to a tabletop game. The illusion mechanic is a bit tricky though.
I have to do a huge shoutout to @halfmileduck He was the one insisting on color matching the dwarves, and did an incredible job on that. And it was such fun doing this project with him. Thank you Tony 🙂
Personally I would go for the Wintercity for basing. Simply because it would give more options than a fully snowed in base, and still bring that pop of white to set of dwarves. The purples in them, does make them somewhat dark.
For the big machines…if you could replace the horses with massive rams I would go with the Dwarven Warwagon. If not, definitely the other one. It's big. It's heavy. And it just has so much 'presence'. There's no ignoring that one. Which to my mind, fit the dwarven personality perfectly.
Happy sunday all!
Happy Sunday!
I vote for the Winter city bases with Horsie power.
I agree. the winter city and pony powered wagon.
@lloyd for skin tones this might help
http://www.coolminiornot.com/articles/1310-ethnic-skintones
Happy Sunday everyone
First up the vote. I would vote for the Dwarven Warwagon as the other machine whose doors may be the right size dominates the army too much and would mean the rest of the force would be a little bit lost beside it.
I like the mat on the right but actually, think that the Deepcut Frostgrave map wold suit better than any of the three you have out. It is a snow map but has a lot more colour and details, not sure if you have that one at the OTT Visitors Centre.
https://www.deepcutstudio.com/product/wargames-terrain-mat-frostgrave/
@avernos great to see those elementals and I am a big fan of both your burn trails and the new stuff you are achieving with the airbrush buddy.
Not sure if you guys know that Chaos does have a modern version called Chaos Reborn, I am a fan of the original and haven’t played the new one but it does seem to be hex-based and may help in making this into a tabletop game.
http://www.chaos-reborn.com/
@lloyd having seen these at the hobby weekend I agree with the guy’s buddy. Andy did say at the hobby weekend that one of the contrast paints worked really well for a single layer skin over primer, I am not sure which one or how well it would take the dip but you could do a test run and see.
Nice bit of entertainment to keep me going whilst I got stuck into my hobby and looking forward to next weekends show already.
Have a great week of hobby everyone.
I would agree Gaz and the war wagon
Happy Sunday ! If you go with the Dwarves vs Celts theme, does that mean that Justin has to sit and adjust the Celts for cold weather accuracy?
Winter city. You can make some more heavy snow and some kinda underground.
Dwarf war wagon non-steam for the vehicle.
Happy Sunday!!
My vote goes to Warmachine Warwagon, the chariot looking design I think fits the aesthetic of a dwarven fantasy army better than the tank (although I’m not going to be disappointed if it’s the tank that’s for sure!) and the frosted city, seeing what you guys have done before with cobblestone bases I’d love to see you take it a step further and add some frosty snow etc to it
Also great addition of the yeti, seeing them together they look great but would have never put them together
For the warmachine, the traction powered tank. It is just so massive and bulky what screams Dwarf to me.
Wombling free?
Happy Sunday!
Or it would be if I wasn’t being buffered to death trying to watch this. So far I’ve been able to piece together enough to know we need to have an opinion on basing some dwarves.
I vote ICY TUNDRA. Basing would then work with the other two mats…
Gotta be the Schteam tank!
I was having trouble about the 40 min mark where it just kept what I presume was buffering without end. Had to go forward a few minutes manually to make it start working
@avernos mage wars is bit of a spellcaster against spellcaster type of arena battle game. It doesn’t use minis but cards.
You can summon creatures, items, buildings,… .
@warzan surely you need to find a mining cart for you warlord chariot…
Some sort of converted Hussite war wagon might do the trick
@avernos and @warzan Chaos Reborn on steam (£6.99)
https://store.steampowered.com/app/319050/Chaos_Reborn/
http://torinak.com/qaop#!chaos
Happy Sunday one and all.
Go Tundra / Winter City for the Age of Fantasy ( with a little bit of Magic ) Dwarven force,it’ll look great.As far as the Warmachines go,i can’t choose between them,i’d be extremely happy with either of them in an army of mine.
Happy Sunday!
Great discussion on magic. Interesting even thou I don’t play SAGA.
Justin looks like taken out from a 41K jeans commercial, but the work you guys are putting into cosplay is amazing.
But when will the Korea tickets be available?
Happy Sunday indeed.
Wombling Free for the bases – you’d be able to show off the Green Stuff World roller to match the European Pavement.
3rd option for the War Wagon… Massive Dwarf War Train made from the AOS Pizza Oven… massive cannon coming out of the opening… Plenty of Dwarf Engineer type models for crew. Additional wagons could be added with time – Treasure Wagon, Coal Wagons, Throne Wagon… endless opportunities.
I was Commodore 64 loyal so never played Chaos 🙁
Warren’s hobby has a Rogue Trader feel with a Space Crusade look, absolutely love it! Gerry’s Fire Elementals are great… must get my Dwarfs and Undead sorted. Looking forward to seeing those Koreans finished as well.
http://torinak.com/qaop#!chaos enjoy
S casts spells and movement are the 8 keys around S as your directions. K cancels an action if you get stuck
Winter City & Horsies get my vote. I think if you went for the bigger wagon you’d need bigger monsters or it would look a bit odd. Frost giants instead of yetis then maybe the bigger wagon….
For the dwarves I like the underground look. Maybe very shiny black stones added to bases to represent mined coal with a few shiny jewels thrown in? Can the gatlers be removed from WWX wagon and be replaced with giant drills so that it looks like a huge steam powered drilling machine?
Naked army needs a Giant !!!!
Great to hear @avernos talk AoM.It makes a hell of a lot more sense to me now,i think i had a ” couldn’t see the wood for the trees ” situation going on whenever i was reading my boards and spells.
Winter city has my vote and the Steam powered tank
Next time watch the whole video before typing
Snowfield bases and the big tank thing get my vote.
@warzan the magic system you’re describing is the one used in Metagaming Concepts Melee/Wizard/Fantasy Trip back in the 1970s.
It’s been re-published by Steve Jackson games as The Fantasy Trip. Available now! A wizard only combat game is perfectly playable on the table top.
Spells are either missile, creation, summoning, images or illusions. Missile spells were straight attack and varied in power. However the more powerful, the more it costs the wizard. And there is a special rule that said that if any wizard over a certain level could not cast a missile spell on the first turn.
Summoning spells brought real people or beasts onto the board and they did real damage. Depending on how powerful the beastie was, the more expensive it was to cast. And you had to pay their cost every turn to keep them on the board. But smaller creatures were cheaper to cast so they were a viable option.
Images were fairly cheap to cast, did not need to be maintained, could not hurt anyone and could be disbelieved, making them vanish. But there was the possibility your disbelief would fail. But you wouldn’t know if you failed your disbelief or if you were disbelieving a summoned beast.
Illusions cost a little more than images, did not meet to be maintained but did real damage and could be disbelieved.
One of my favorite tactics was to cast illusions of weaker beasts. Wolves were a favorite. No one in their right mind cast illusions of wolves because they didn’t do much damage so everyone just assumed they were summoned. As such, they tried to kill them rather than disbelieve them. When their disbelief didn’t work, the wolf illusion ripped their throats out. Great fun!
Creation spells items onto the board. This could take the form of a black column that blocked line of sight, but didn’t stop physical items. So you could run through the column. But wizards could also create stone walls. So now you could create a stone wall inside that black column. So someone running through that black column would smack right into that wall.
There were other spells too but this should give you a good flavor of it. It was great fun back in the day and I’m glad to see it come back.
Great show guys.
1. Chamberlain was never voted out of office he resigned when his appeasement policy failed and even then he joined Churchill’s Cabinet until his health forced him out and he died very soon after that (from some kind of Cancer but I can’t remember what, fun fact Churchill’s father died from syphilis, not sure why it’s relevant but thought I’d throw it in there).
2. Dunkirk was long over by the time of this so called “Cone of Power” was used and there’s kind of a giant reason why Adolf Hitler didn’t invade Britain, a giant red reason in the East.
3. “And in the early 19th century, Gardner wrote, another group of English witches cast spells to deter Napoleon.” From a website making the same claims. This is just so wrong I can’t even begin to take it apart. Napoleon didn’t invade Britain because A) he was an utter incompetent Buffoon at Sea Napoleon just didn’t understand anything about the Ocean and how to travel or fight on it. B) The whole of Europe had just declared War on him making going to Britain a VERY bad idea. C) him invading Britain would have been actually quite good for Britain in the long run since he could have been bottled up there while France was dismantled over a few months rather than ravaging Europe and the World for another Decade.
Naked Women didn’t stop Hitler and get the men out of Dunkirk French Soldiers held the line while Pilot’s from around the world from Czechoslovakia to Australia to the USA flew above the clouds and British Seamen risked death on the oceans to get the troops home.
I only know of one group of WWII Witches that were 100% real and 100% proven with pictures and proof of actions (and I better tell you who they were before I give @oriskany an aneurysm).
They were the Soviet “Night Witches” the 588th Night Bomber Regiment who flew very old Bi-Planes and would turn the engines off before starting their bombing run. They were all female and have a Sabaton Song about them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7NSUFDHFgg
In all post-1886 (Bonus points for those of you who know why I chose 1886) 28mm Games Weapon Ranges are unrealistic. The games use a 15mm Ground Scale which is why they even exist in the first place.
Serious question why do you guys Bleep the Swearing? I get it for the public stuff but is there a particular reason you do it for Backstage? I don’t mind just curious.
“Daddy I want that one”
*looks over and sees Brother Captain Lysander himself*
“I’m so proud of you”
I mean Temperus Maximus is probably cooler but we’re not allowed to talk about the Angry Marines….
I’m with Gerry, Age of magic should have been called Age of Fantasy since that’s what it is.
Winter City would be my preference.
Get looking army!
My vote is gerrys idea,snow bases bit limited doing a town/underground theme you could do a hobbit battle of the five armies style with mine with town outside.If you do that then one of the war machines can be above ground the other could be just for underground.
Winter city and tractor for my vote
Winter city and horsepower for the win
snow, snow, quick-quick snow. Horse-drawn carriage.
Underground basing and Khador War Wagon pulled by dogs 🙂
i vote war wagon and underground base
Of course, a few dozen witches may lay claim to the deliverance of Dunkirk. Or… it may have been the national day of prayer called by the church. https://canonjjohn.com/2017/07/17/national-day-of-prayer-during-dunkirk-1940/
You pays your money, you takes your chance…
Helen Duncan was imprisoned under the witchcraft act of 1735 because during a seance she claimed a sailor had told her of the sinking of a ship which hadn’t ben publicly announced
Himmler used psychics to try and find Mussolini after he was arrested
I’m late to the party and will (most likely) not comment because I will now paint more terrain while watching… do your worst! 😉
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the last person to be tried for Witchcraft was Helen Duncan. Duncan was a medium who, in Portsmouth November 1941, claimed to be talking to the spirit of sailor who informed her that the HMS Barham had been sunk. The official announcement of the Barham sinking was not released until late January 1942. In 1944, she was arrested and convicted under the Witchcraft Act 1735 and imprisoned for nine month.
Since then, it has been looked into by a researcher named Graeme Donald who said:
“The loss of HMS Barham, torpedoed off the coast of Egypt on 25 November 1941, was indeed kept quiet for a while, but letters of condolence were sent out to families of the 861 dead, asking them to keep the secret until the official announcement. So, allowing for perhaps 10 people in each family, there were about 9,000 people who knew of the sinking; if each of them told only one other person, there were 20,000 people in the country aware of the sinking, and so on – hardly a closely guarded secret. In short, news of the sinking spread like wildfire; Duncan simply picked up the gossip and decided to turn it into profit.”
I know its not “spells and curses” type witchcraft, but this could easily be turned into a scenario for a WW2 game where the Germans have a spy pretending to be a medium and they have landed a Commando type force to rescue the spy and get him/her out of Britain with information and the British plus home guard are attempting to arrest the spy.
Happy Sunday to my brothers and sisters in the Cult of Games.
Loved the show. My votes for the dwarfs would be;
Frozen City bases
War Wagon drawn by armored horses.
Have you guys considered dropping Julian Gollop a line about tabletop Chaos?
I guess he’s pretty busy at the minute with his new release Phoenix Point (which looks awesome btw) but I’m pretty sure both Chaos and Laser Squad were originally board games that he put onto the Spectrum – btw tabletop Laser Squad would be my ultimate game – done correctly, there’d be no need to buy another after that one 😉
Anyway, Julian Gollop has been pretty active in the tabletop gaming community in the past. Maybe drop him a line – he might be able to point you in the right direction for sources/original game ideas?
chaos was never a board game, I think it was based on a card game he planned but never released
Found it! I contributed to a coverdisk of Retro Gamer many years ago and remembered reading this interview: https://www.retrogamer.net/profiles/developer/julian-gollop/
What were the inspirations behind Chaos?
Chaos was actually based on a board game I made in 1982, inspired by a game by Games Workshop called Warlock, which I remember some kids at school playing, although they wouldn’t ever let me play it. So I thought, ‘Screw them, I’ll make my own magic game and it’ll be better than their game anyway!’
Many years ago, Julian would chat with a few of us on the Laser Squad Nemesis forums (damn it that was a great game!) and was always happy to talk about his game ideas and inspirations. The original Laser Squad was also based on a board game (called Sniper). Getting hold of these games might provide a nice starting point?
I stand corrected, I seem to remember him saying in Your Sinclair or Crash that it was based on a card game, but that may be my memory failing
is that the side of castle greyskull?
better with a fireball firing wizard than a tree bucket I think @lloyd ?
@dignity try a coloured bike visor for the helmet ?
the chaos axe probably war plunder @warzan like yarricks battle claw?
Horse power all the time
Happy SUNDAY!
I’ve been out of the loop from XLBS in the last few weeks, catching up to the community army. I love the idea of including yetis in a dwarven army. I think for the basing part, you guys should go with the 3rd mat, it would alloy you to put some snow, mixed with other basing materials. As for the vehicule, definitly go with the Warmachine war wagon! It feels right, with the canons and the horses, while gattling guns are… meh
See you next week!
I really wish I didn’t look up ‘the 3 seas shells ‘Demolition Man’ thanks for that @lloyd @warzan
Happy Sunday,
My vote would be for the tundra city map (the one on the right facing the tower) and the horse powered dwarven war machine. Was interesting to hear the rebuttal my daughter and I have been waiting to put on a game of Age of Magic, now we’re still keen to give it a go. I particularly like the sound of raising and lowering hills for LoS.
Khador war wagon is the way to go! Its the best looking dwarfish wagon. I think the cave terrian will cool with some element from Moria from lord of the rings. Always wanted to make a table like that myself one day. Maybe with some crystal, and mushroom terrain 😛
@avernos love those bases for you elementals, reminds a bit of wow fire elementals. @warzan I think you did a great job on the conversion for the marines for you kids. The cosplay John and justin look amazing ! And im looking forward to see what Lloyed will be doing with those Korea troops
Snow or tundra with war wagon minus horses… replace with oxen, or some sort of front combustion engine?
Winter City has my vote.
Horsepower for the vehicle please.
Vote for dwarven – hador wagon.
Winter city please!
DWARVEN WAR Wagon please!
Cheers, nice tlak about Fantasy and SciFi rulesets, and the use of magic!
My two peneth… Dwarven basing with a mixture of underground rocks and cut stone and wooden mining struts would look great. The only trouble with Dwarves is that on small square bases, with their low hanging beards and squat bodies, there is not a lot of room to tell a story. I would like to see you work on the large Gatling gun wielding Dwarven wagon over the cannon armed one.
A sky clad army could be rich for conversions and tattoos and fun colour schemes. I just hope Justin sees the fun to be had rather than going mental as he fashions his hundredth loincloth and blunts a set of clippers on minis nethers.
Will the families of this army of the naked warriors erect menhirs to celebrate the day, when the manhood of Hampton Gorge rose up in rebellion at the whim of their master Baron Gross Vinkle and boldly marched on Merkin Valley?
As an avid retro gamer as well as war gamer, I loved the section you guys did discussing Chaos on the speccy and the idea of bringing it to the gaming table .. Cant wait to see this one progress!!
Did I hear right – if Llyod raises 2000 quid for charity we can static grass Justin’s head?? Count me in!! Anything for a good cause! :D:D