The Weekender: 40k Campaign Final Preparations & Demigods Review!
August 23, 2014 by lloyd
It's Saturday and that means it's time for The Weekender! As the title suggests we're going to be running through the ideas for our Warhammer 40,000 Campaign which featured in a Vlog for Backstagers earlier in the week.
As well as that we're talking Gen Con Highlights, the awesome Sons of Anarchy board game and also giving you our review of the Demigods Rising game that's currently entering it's final few days on Kickstarter.
We also have some neat news about Hasbro and how they're now embracing the world of 3D printing. All very exciting!
Have a great weekend of gaming!
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So cool many thanks a great start to my weekend
Oh sorry forgot to say ….gone a bit dungeon mad this week with Mantic and Battlesystem on Kickstarter but shush don’t tell her indoors :)))
Damn she saw me typing and now she has demanded the equivalent cost in shoes !!!!!!!
Lol Busted! 😉
Woo, 40k!
@warzan your “technology finds a way” quote reminded me of Jurassic Park lol
@deaddave I think it’s time to talk about Nano Technology on the show again 😉
Great episode. With 40k, the group I played with only did narrative games. We had house rules to advance our groups, almost like Necromunda. I had 1 marine that lived through 14 years worth of games. Looking forward to see tomorrows episode.
Heavy Gear Blitz had a nice mission system where each unit type would have objectives pulled from different lists. You could do something similar with your 40k mission cards. For example Fast Attack units might get scouting objectives. Elite units would get harder objectives while Troops would get easier objectives. Basically you come up with slightly different objectives for Fast Attack, Elite, Troop, and Heavy. Not only does this add some variety based on your army list choices but it helps balance games between different army types. Small elite armies would have fewer and harder missions but worth more VPs compared to a more generic force.
Saturday Morning – bring it on!
5~6 years ago I ws asking GW…
– “Where’s your online forums?”
– “Where’s your online store forum / table booker / campaign manager?”
– “Where’s your online army list builder?”
– “Where’s your ‘click to buy’ from your army list builder?”
– “Where’s your whole f*$king digital strategy???”
So they eventually got around to setting up facebook pages for each store…
Re Mission/Battle objectives: How about “first to 5/7 VP wins!”… sod the “how many turns (yawn) have we had?”
Love the ASDF shirt Lloyd;)
@davoid001, thanks, I have the other half to thank for it. I thought it was cool to 🙂
@warzan You mentioned that having different tactical objective for each race would be a good idea, GW have released race specific tactical objectives with the new 7th ed codexes that really fit with that races/armies style and background.
I think the quote Warren was looking for goes ‘Confucius says, man with hands in pockets and smile on face feeling cocky all day long’.
“Tom Kirby! Your talking out your arse! !!!”
Classic.
I may have missed it but for your 40k campaign are you running bound or unbound armies?
Games workshop seem to have their fingers in their ears going “la la la”. Haven’t touched their stuff in years.
And the band played on.
Loyd is correct. No way we will see a Deathstar…
The scales are already way off in X-Wing between the large and small ships. I don’t see any reason why FFG wouldn’t do a Death Star for Armada.
Well the way we have it figured if they do a Death Start it will be like a Hemisphere. Since this is a battle of capital ships.
I’d just buy the Lego version….
“Narrative in a Box” by the team at Beasts of War. 🙂 Sounds like a great product. Get going!
I didn’t feel like no kung fu master by the Saturday evening. That said, I’m tempted to sack off the PhD and apply for the BoW apprenticeship just so I can get out there again next year lol
*by the Saturday evening 🙂
Great show guys. I guess we need to send a package of American food to Justin ( @dignity ) so he can experience it and prepare before coming over.
Shapeways is a great place to get part’s to customize your Transformers with things like fully poseable hands for various size classes of the toys. You can find weapons, vehicles and even miniature parts for your favorite games. You yourself if you have any 3d training can make anything you want and get it printed out and sent to you.
Right now there are a ton of Transformers customizers that are using Shapeways to 3d print parts they just couldn’t get out any other way.
By the way, you were talking about Hero Forge for printing out custom designed miniatures from a program. They partnered up with Shapeways I do believe to produce those miniatures.
Hey Justin ( @dignity ), thanks for the mention at 15:15! 🙂
From the looks of it (I’d have to see the demo game first), you’d be exactly correct, where game pieces (at least for fighters) now represent a pair or 2, a four-plane element, squadron of 12, or what have you . . . instead of a single craft like they obviously do in X-Wing. This allows the game to expand outward to include the larger capital ships and resolve larger battles such as . . .
** the Imperial assault on Hoth in Episode V?
** the Rebel attack on Endor in Episode VI?
** Maybe even the big battle of Coruscant at the beginning of Episode III (I know, I’m mentioning the prequels . . . shame on me, shame on me)!
Great show as usual fellas. Warren, I think you’re absolutely right, game companies are gonna hit some rough waters unless they embrace new tech as it comes and try to channel folks rather than block them outright.
Great show guys, I def agree on the whole Kirby in denial thing.
The maelstrom missions are great and you don’t need the cards there is a table in book, also there is six ways to play them you can actually roll to see which way. Also you talked about how you could do them yourself for the different factions, which you could do but GW has done it already for the codexes that have come out in 7th, if you noticed that each one has been released with a set of psychic power cards well theres also maelstrom mission cards for each faction in those. The seem to be limited, which is kinda dumb IMO, those cards are extremely handy even the Psychic power ones, they should be a standard release not just a while supplies last kinda thing. I mean if a new player decides to choose a faction other than the one that just came out they can’t get those, and I think they are a good tool for new players to help keep track rather than having to write everything down.
The only thing is i feel at times the game can come down to how lucky your draw is as sometimes you’ll get cards that are impossible to score(like down a flyer or destroy a building but your opponent doesn’t have one) and/or your opponent gets ones that are very easy to score or even vice versa, it can make for a very frustrating game for one person. All and all I think their really good and on the right track especially with the faction specific cards but IMHO it can use some better fine tuning or house rules.
hi guys I have really got into the beast of wars stuff lately.so much so that I have know become a backstage member looking forward to following you through this great journey lol
@trojan, great to here it, thanks for the support 🙂
Great video. I like the looks of demigods rising, although i don’t do kickstarter, but I will keep an eye out for it at my local shop if its ever released to general sale.
The mission cards are one of the few things I thought were good about 7th, although the whole unbound business kind of outweighed any positives as far as I can see. I havent bought it simply because another £80 or so – rules and codex for at least one army- less than 2 years after i spent that much on rules for the same game, is just not something I am prepared to do.
I spent £63 for operation icestorm for infinity instead, I’ll get more hobby time from it,
I would have posted earlier but the doctor was in.
That game looks good best of luck to the winner.
That’s the I P GW should have?
The 3D lathes are still used to make the small blades inside jet engines because that’s the only way to make them from a single mettle alloy grown crystal.
Looks good the way GW are going with 40K now next the price reductions LOL.
P. S. @warzen you have a new quote B.O.W. to the cards LOL.
P. S. @warzan you have a new quote BOW to the cards LOL.
Excellent show guys, the game looks great.
On the 3D printing thing, it’ll just parallel normal printing. Yes, we’ll be able to do it from home but industrial will be able to do it quick, cheaper (look at the cost of ink now, to printers the cheap bit!) and with better quality. Hopefully, the hobby will just move with it and provide DRM’d templates which are good for so many prints at home combined with industry providing customisable large forces for cheap than home produced.
You’ll still get rip offs, you’ll get sculptors doing their own stuff. At the end of the day, 3D printing is just a medium of production, creativity and business will never change!
Star Wars Armada sure looks pretty awesome…
You know what?
While I like these as always, they are getting too long. I don’t have the time to watch a 90 minute video in one go. If I leave the player on pause for extended periods, the buffering breaks, I have to reload the page and try to find to same spot again…
That said, I have a bunch of credit sitting with Shapeways because every time I try order something I get the message “sorry your file could not printed — we’ll hold onto your money”.
And it’s not cheap, and the cheapest quality is pretty crappy as this picture shows:
http://www.smallcuts.net/photo/?id=11607
I think I paid something like 5 euros for that model, which is waaaaaayyyyy overpriced even without considering the shite quality. Better quality would have been double price.
It WILL get better and cheaper, no doubt about that. But unlike the cheap laser cutters responsible for the glut of MDF kits, it’s not there yet.
And the stuff most people REALLY seem to be waiting for, cheap 3-D scanners/copiers… Well, I haven’t seen one yet even as prototype…
In all honesty a straight up blood bath is fine for the occasional quick game, but I generally avoid the death match formula like the plague in everything these days. I like objective games. If you want to play an objective game that is a total blood bath, play king of the hill. Make it so you have control of this little building in the dead center of the board. You get all of the carnage of a death match game, while still playing an objective based game.
As for what GW needs to do, I think they should look for answers from within. They have Blood Bowl, Battlefleet Gothic, and Space Hulk. That is 3 unique IPs that they aren’t doing anything with on the table top. Perhaps they should try making a skirmish sized version of 40K, take all the models and scale the whole thing down. It would require fewer miniatures to play, it would take less time to play, and more players would probably be willing to make the initial investment into 40k because they only need a couple of boxes of troops and maybe a small vehicle or a heavy infantry unit. They already have the mini’s and Black Library has many stories that tell accounts of numerous small encounters and sorties in 40k.
Good show as always. 🙂
Agree with Warren….the objective cards make 40K a fun game to play.
The Objective cards are fantastic… I liked them when I first saw them and LOVE them now. I don’t know if you’ve seen them yet but they released a Set along with the SW release. Included the standard deck, the SW psychic powers and several SW specific objective cards.
Sorry to hear that @warzan….Besides the gluten, i´m there…. 🙁
Love the new table 😀 Makes me feel part of the family!
Ah yes 3d printing. I am not so much into the topic but I have heard an audition on the radio a while back ago and yes it is the future and yes it is very cheap but one also has to have some knowledge of working with programmes such as CAD. So in my opinion we will have companies selling miniature blueprints for people to print them at home. Well, there can be some limitations imposed by the seller but on the other hand there will probably be community of people sharing their ideas for people to print for free. Sorry guys, got a little bit sci-fi 🙂
Another interesting episode. I didn’t much like the table – I felt we were too far away from you, so I’d like the camera brought closer.
The 40K mission cards sound interesting – I’ll have to try them, and I like the idea of keeping them secret. I think the most promising avenue for them is not so much army specific cards (which GW are already doing), but mission specific.
i.e. It would be good if you had an attacker’s deck and a defender’s deck. They could be split further into a ‘raid’ deck – which would include things like recon and assassination, and a ‘frontal assault’ deck – which would have the ‘dominate/capture multiple objectives’ type missions.
This would solve what is my problem with it the way it works at the moment, which is that you can have a string of unrelated objectives that don’t make sense. One minute requiring you to leap forwards, and the next hang back and protect what you’ve already got. I get that in a way that’s the point – to give you a mix of stuff to do, and make it less predictable – but it actually risks spoiling the theme. It would be better if the possible objectives you could draw from where more related to each other.
P.S. I’m not backing Demigods, so if you draw my name, please roll the pick over to another competition! 🙂
great video
3D printing is definitely the future. I thought some companies were already using it. Some of the new plastic from Spartan and Hawk in particular is very nice.
As to objective cards they would have to make the game better. Even though I haven’t played 40k in years I think they would be a big improvement.
Yes, it is being used in the industry — but mostly NOT to produce final goods for consumers.
And there’s a world of difference between industrial 3-D printers costing tens of thousands and the cheap home versions (that still cost 1000-3000).
The normal production cycle goes something like this these days:
1) The miniature is digitally “sculpted”
2) A prototype is 3-D printed
3) The prototype is manually cleaned and molded
4) Casting proceeds as usual
It’s the necessity of the manual cleanup stage that kills 3-D printing as a production method, even for limited runs. It’s partly because the printers sometimes need to output support structures to make the output — that looks very much like the flash we’re used to with metal minis and is a similar chore to remove. And it’s partly because the printer’s resolution is not enough to produce truly smooth surfaces. They need to be manually smoothed if you don’t want your mini to look “fuzzy” or “grooved”.
The 3-D printed castle is funny because it LOOKS like was 3-D printed. But you don’t want your mini to look that way.
Imagine if you had to smooth every single mini with 1200 grit sandpaper prior to painting?
Go ahead — order something from Shapeways and you’ll see for yourself.
There are usually some nasty chemicals involved in the cleaning up process
Another great show as always!!!! We look forward to the weekends 🙂
@dignity Now I am all jealous. Cause you got a “Free” set of Tau. A friend or two want me to join them in there 40K fun. But the investment doesn’t fit with how little we will get to play it. An Tau was what I had plans on playing too.
@warzan – Snap on the wheat and dairy intolerance. My advice is to skip soya and go for rice milk. My secret weapon is an uber powerful probiotic VSL#3, that allows me to get things under control quickly when my diet slips. Doesn’t work for everyone, but does for me. You can’t always avoid stuff and it’s handy for the odd cake or beer!)
The talk of picking individual components to make unique minis reminds me of the old GW Mail Order 🙂
Could these objectives form the basis of a drinking game? 1 VP = 1 shot.
“Drink D3 shots for assassinating 3 enemy characters in a turn”.
Great show
MAn i wish i could have gone to Gencon, did you check out the Wrath of Kings game by any chance, im super interested in that one! Great report as usual, signed up after a long time watching.
Thanks for all great videos!
I saw this episode and you where talking about Warrens gluten intolerance and “fitness club”. I am living in Sweden and here there has been a “low carb movement” since quite a few years and it is called LCHF, Low Carb High Fat. Not sure if this has reached you but I know a lot of brits following this “diet”. It is a no gluten diet so it could be something for you to try. My own story regarding this diet is minus 90 kg in 2 years. I lost 50% of my weight eating butter, meat, oils, veggies but no bread, potatoes pasta etc. I lost my first 40 kg without any exercise at all.
So with a gluten intolerance problem I would really recommend trying this. There is a good book by Dr. William Davies called Wheat Belly that speaks a lot about gluten. Really good book and a really nice guy…
BR
Tommy
I love your ideas for a narrative 40k campaign. To really get your creative juice flowing check out Border Wars by GW on the iTunes Store. Best and most unknown release they have ever done.
As always, a fantastic and informative show.
See ya next year at Gen Con, guys. Make sure you spend some time with Megacon who are located in Indy.