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The Weekender: Spice Up Your Games Of Warhammer 40K & Win an Epic Carnevale Prize!
September 6, 2014 by dignity
We've got an awesome prize for you this week! One lucky winner will win the chance to create their own miniature for the world of Carnevale! Come up with a one line description of a cool Carnevale themed character in the comments and Vesper-On will pick their favourite
Check out our last Carnevale Week:
How To Play Carnevale Part One
How To Play Carnevale Part Two
How To Play Carnevale Part Three
How To Play Carnevale Part Four
How To Play Carnevale Part Five
How To Play Carnevale Part Six
We've also got loads more details on the return of this ace game and we get your questions answered!
As well as the Carnevale talk we're talking about Warhammer 40,000: Carnage which is a cool side-scrolling hack n' slash video game and the Dark Angels Upgrade Pack that 10 lucky Backstagers can win codes for!
We're also breaking out the Battle Systems terrain to talk about the product and how we think it works as a viable source of terrain on the tabletop. Added to that maybe it's time to shake up how you play Warhammer 40,000!
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The vid is marked as private guys.
Maybe Justin is camera shy, not ready to star in a movie where he showers with three other men, huddled together, shirtless…
I mist the PEARL & DEAN 12+A warming at the beginning
For the heads up? LOL
…which might be better… 😉
Can’t access the video, marked as private.
The horror! The horror!
Can’t access the vid but just from the pictures I already need a large bottle of eye beach.
Can’t see the video either. as for the competition I would like to see a lucha libre type wrestler/strongman (obviously more venetian than mexican).
After seeing the weekender I have some more ideas:
– Giacomo the Incola Lacunae (Lagoon Dweller) a fisherman from the marshy lagoons surrounding Venice now hunting Rashaar.
– Francesco Verduli (AKA François) a french spy trying to uncover the secrets of the Rent in the Sky and the raw magic power from it to aid Napoleon in his conquest of northern Italy.
– Giuseppe the Lamplighter out on the streets when the Rent occurred now horribly mutated because of it.
private video guys, boo
I thought the challenge was EITHER get soaked OR donate to a charity.
And the video is private anyways…
even from the front page promo shot there’s way to much pasty white flesh on show, quick someone pass the mind bleach and then the fake tan for the boys
Someone doesn’t want us to see the pasty white flesh. Not 100% sure I do either.
Show me some white, pasty Irish meat! Yay!
Perhaps the least remembered but interesting literary appearances of Carnevale was in the Count of Monte Cristo – Dante’s arranges for the kidnapping of Albert so that Monte Cristo can heroically rescue him. Although the drama is mostly staged, the characters are full and interesting – these two would make for an interesting nemesis set – both are well dressed and, in some chapters, wear masks
Vampa the Roman Bandit – a marksman who could direct a shot “as well as if he placed it by hand”
The Count or Monte Cristo – who believes that “pistols are blind” and whose reputation with a sword is heralded by “the legion of skillful swordsmen whom he has conquered”
(Vampa is also accompanied by Theresa, his one true love since childhood; she uses Carnevale to masquerade as a Countess and lure poor Albert into a trap)
you only had to ask: as a backstager I would have been more than happy to pay a bit more this month so you guys could afford to donate to the ALS research rather than having to see your pale nerdy bodies while doing the ice bucket thingy…
(or you could have done it with clothes on, you know)
video no longer private, but do I want to watch???
Sorry about that, fixed now.
@dignity‘s brain must still be frozen!
“Don’t blame me, my brain is frozen” Zombie Justin
Yep that’s my entry for the competition.
The word ‘disturbing’ comes to mind this early on a Saturday morning!
I think what Justin is trying to say about Legoland is…
“If all the year were playing holidays; To sport would be as tedious as to work.”
― William Shakespeare, King Henry IV, Part 1
35 years later and that O level Eng Lit quote finally came in handy! Actually its an interesting question to you at BoW – when your hobby becomes your work are there times you’ve had it up to here (pointing at Warren’s perky man-nipples earlier in the video)
I think it’s more of an issue for those around us, we spend all week looking at ‘hobby stuff’ and it’s difficult to explain (with a straight face) that we would like to use some of our spare time to ‘hobby’!
Your right though it is an interesting question for the team.
To some level @coxjul is right as well as Justin. I wish I could remember the name of the effect or condition but everyone can often do go through what they mentioned. Science has shown it happens in kids as well as adults.
When we offer a monetary value to something you like to do for simple joy of it, lets say painting. We can lose interest in that activity and start wanting to be payed in that new value in order to do what was before a personal joy. In effect we lose the innocence of our motivation behind doing painting or in Justins take, building Lego Land can become a bore for the once eager Lego fanatic.
It’s just like a builder that work all day repairing house’s then go’s home to a half finished house to get moaned at to get things finished by their other half.
OH GOD MY EYES!
The slowed down audio sounds like a herd of (slowly) dying buffalo
In my head at the time… it sounded no different! 😉
The horror the pain, when will the hurting stop. My eyes, eyes.. So i got that out of my system.
Just few days and the KS will start so you know what will be your faction?
Strigoi!!!! 😉
LMAO but I think it should have been custard
Warren
I too am having a return to 40k via the latest edition of the game. I too had the same thought as you about using the bolt action mechanism for turn order: the retention of the igougo of 40k was the thing that disappointed me. I am glad you had the confidence to put this out there.
there are some interesting options here. In Fireball Forward you don’t draw one card/chip etc then another and so on, instead you continue drawing cards/chips of either army etc until an opponent counter is drawn. You then stop drawing counters and activate a number of units equal to how many counters a player drew. This has an advantage of giving you moments of planned coordination over complete random. But you don’t know if your opponent will have only one activation next or will continue drawing more of his army chips.
Another approach that I was wondering about was using the Epic Armageddon turn sequence for unit activation: that works very well for epic so don’t see why it would not work for 40k.
thanks
Alex
I’ve played two games of Bolt 40k (we had this idea last summer-ish).
It works and adds a tactical nature to all choices made. You can ignore a C’tan after he’s moved because he won’t do anything till next turn. However, you need to give a lot of thought to some of the rules. Problems we had:
– Necrons re animation protocol
– can you fire a unit who has assaulted a vehicle since vehicles can’t be locked in contact
I think it’s a great improvement to 40k though & well worth a try.
There are pictures in my mind I no longer want to see! Make the bad men go away mummy!!
Ha the irony, talking about race/gender inclusivity with backstagers only.
its ok though I’ve already got a set, lol.
Great show as ever guys, good to see you back, love the idea of using the bolt action mechanic to keep the flow going but not sure how I will have the time to go and get my plastic pint of coke from Bugman’s the next time I venture to warhammer world. Though I’m sure we’d be thrown out for such heresy long before then!!
In fairness, they probably wouldn’t even notice…
What an intro!..
Great ideas for 40k too- I’m just starting to tentatively get back into the game, but with 2nd edition! Going to be keeping it small and skirmish-like, say between 500 and 1000 points at the very most, so the ‘Bolt Action’ activation mechanic will work very nicely I reckon!
Carnevale has always been on my radar since you did the theme week so I’ll be watching for the Kickstarter with interest- need to think of a character idea now!..
So GW strike again. Had a look at Carnake on the App Store. As a £4.99 game it already stands out from most other mobile games, as the average is about £2.99 for a paid game I would expect something pretty special. It doesn’t look complex enough to justify that price tag. Plus, why does it need an internet connection to just be able to play it? Mind boggling.
Obviously it was Carnage I looked at
love Carnevale it’s such a laugh
I think the Chippendales have nothing to fear….
Strange how it takes a Bolt Action mechanic and a Deadzone mechanic to make 40K remotely engaging again…
I can think of a lot of other ways of adding interest but they would be a more severe test of the true sense of adventure and sportsmanship of the players.
And it would not involve buckets of ice.
Never heard of Carnevale before but I’m 100% in for the kickstarter! It sounds awesome.
My idea for the character would be a gondolier who uses his oar for a weapon!
Again a really good and emotional opening. Until the obligatory “in this episode” I nearly laughed my ass off and later nearly cried. Even in the “normal” slow-mo your voices we’re much higher than they are supposed to be 😀
But again, sorry for your friend. Sometimes live throws you a curveball and you can’t do nothing but watch it drop, take your head up again and look forward. But you’ll always remember that curveball.
I’m gonna call it Bolthammer 40k
That’s awesome.
Brilliant! 🙂
Bolter Action
Heh, this is like a video response to those Kabuki releases in the news. Where is the equality, you ask? Well, here it is.
I hope you’re happy 😀
Another great weekender! Although the intro scared me at first “4 beasts and a bucket”… you guys have a fantastic sense of humour.
I remember Carnevale week in the early days of my watching BoW and … I was stunned. I keep describing it as the most stylish game I’ve seen. I adore the setting. I love the idea of minis scrapping it out over the balconies and canals of Venice.
I’m delighted that it’s having another go and I can’t wait to see what happens.
I really dig the idea for a chance of the Warhammer game mechanic! That was one of the really good rules of Confrontation years ago, where you had a card for every unit which were drawn randomly and therefore activated.
I’m in the midst of the episode, but so far no Word about the big things happening to Warhammer Fantasy right now. Please cover this! I’m with BoW Ben on this: Screw you Horus Heresy, bring on Nagash! 🙂
“No one pays us much notice especially as we mostly live in the shadows – not that it’s the safest place anymore since many of my like have disappeared.” Urchin. (Independent/Mercenary)
“Somehow I seem immune to my Lord’s un-natural powers but I choose to serve him anyway (given the benefits);” Grave-digger of ### Cemetary.
“I am such a good actor that I can play whom I like and get close to my target- a useful skill for an assassin.” Guild assassin that can impersonate an opponent and needs to be uncovered before he can be attacked.
Have to try poker chip version on WHFB it’s fun enough in T&T when your not sure of the order of the complet turn but this could be a lot of fun and stop the charged from all sides in one hit
My pitch for a charecter is simple, flying spaghetti monster, Carnevale style!
I have played 40k alternating turns in last edition. It was an absolute blast. Only thing was the psychic powers, but in the new version thats fixed. So i gues nothings holding me back to get stuck in again 🙂
I had to stop the video to comment…
Are you guys serious?
In no way, shape or form did Rick and Alessio invent randomized activation sequence. What next, you’re going to thank Al Gore for inventing the net?
Look into e.g. The Sword And The Flame or that wild west game Foundry put out.
Relax @maxxon were just trying to give a little context based on popular games etc at the moment 🙂
We’re well aware there is little new under the sun 😉
I’ve played the hand in the bag rules for 40k. It all works fine for the moving psychic and shooting. However it becomes very complicated when the assault phase kicks in. I found that it was best played using the hand in the bag for the first phases and then reverting to the standard style when it came to the assault phase. (But do it twice in one turn because both you and your opponent has already moved and shot at this stage.) Hard to explain but it starts to make sense when you start playing a few rounds.
Warren
My 40K playing friends started using a chit-draw initiative/activation sequence almost exactly as you describe about five years ago. They had one important difference – in addition to a token for every unit in the game they included an “End Of Turn” token which when drawn would end the current game turn immediately.
The result was an incredibly dynamic game that played quickly and smoothly. The EOT token meant that you couldn’t rely on using all your forces every turn and would have to think carefully about prioritising your actions. It also meant you couldn’t metagame the turn sequence so easily.
To this day the players involved swear by this variant and frequently argue for adapting it into pretty much every game we play. As a matter of fact, when I showed one of them your 40K ocean platform video where you talked about your problems with igo-ugo, the first thing he said was “I bet our version would fix that.” I’m sure he’ll be tickled to hear that you’ve reached almost the same conclusion by yourself. Have a think about the EOT token though.
@maxxon – I’m pretty sure I’ve seen randomized activation discussed in one of Don Featherstone’s books from the 1960s. There really is nothing new under the sun.
Some ideas for Carnevale characters:
How about an escaped lunatic- a Renfield type character- still chained and strapped up in a straightjacket. Using his awakened mental powers he can cause the chains and straps to lash out at enemies and help him climb and swing across gaps between buildings?
OR a small-time thief who discovered a secret workshop of Leonardo Da Vinci and now uses the incredible gadgets to embark on a one-man/woman crime spree using mechanical wings etc?
OR a deadly skull-masked assassin who has the ability to command the shadows and use them as weapons or to ‘teleport’ from place to place?
A gondolier werewolf !! simple as that 😀 pretty chuffed with myself
The ability would be awesome jumping/strength and he would be carrying the punt(oar?) and wearing the little gondolier hat and tattered clothes that survived his transformation ! I know the brief is to put forward a short concept but I thought it might help set the scene a bit
I’ve not looked at Carnavale before, but I’m tempted to check out the KS when it launches. It kinda blends both historical and fantasy, both of which are my fav areas to game. It’s what attracted me to Helldorado, the idea of being able to create your own mini is a very cool idea.
Guys I was thinking what ever happened to the 40K set-up you were going to do when the Prime Arches that were lost return? Still waiting for that, I think that would be so cool!
Just had another idea for Carnevale- how about a Pied-Piper of Hamelin type character who can control swarms of rats to bring down their enemies- they could also play different tunes to influence friendly and enemy characters in different ways…
Entertaining as always guys. Great way to start the weekend.
Haven’t played Carnevale, but watched what you guys put out for it. Looks interesting.
Considering the time period and including the rest of the world into the mix, not original by any means, but Benjamin Franklin would make a cool boss. Visited Europe a lot, great inventor, all kinds of rumors about him,( i.e.-secret societies, womanizer, bit of a freak). All kinds of directions you could take him in that game.
Fascinating stuff about Carnivale chaps. Just have to see how it matches against other Kickstarters that are launching and how my budget can handle it 😉
And Warren, I have those Griffinf Survivor cases for my NecronomiPhone and JesusPad as well. Dang useful (dropped my phone the first day I had it on and the thing bounced 🙂 ), but they do bulk your sleek & sexy devises out. They do make a slim version of the iPhone case though….
Oh, and a reccomendation for some mobile gaming: Tales of Honor. I never really followed the honor Harrington books but this game is pretty good fun 🙂
i have carnage its awsome
ok know i cant win because im a BoW team member but, Atsuari Ki, the soul breaker, an agent of the Japanese empire, sent to discover whats happening in Venice, as he enters the area under the rent in the sky he discovers he has the power to weaken his foes by draining a proton of their soul.
BoW Justin
are they weakened because he made their souls negatively charged : P
My soul has been ionized!! 😀
Pretty sure he meant portion, but I guess a proton is a portion in some ways…
Great interview with David. Thanks for asking him my questions, although he’d pretty much answered everything at the beginning.
The news about Carnevale expanding is exciting enough but the fact Vesper on games will be looking into other games is even more so.
This is a great line of miniatures!!
Hey guys if you’re interested in adding great things to any game check out the Side plots and Random Events in a Rule book called “Muskets and Tomahawks” done by the same guys that did Saga it adds some great story’s to your games while not taking away from the game itself.
Excellent – Carnevale always did strike me as the meeting point between RPGs and Wargames
As for a one line : A Norwegian ships crew stranded in Venice – Captain, and a few crew men.
Warren, you`re the first bloke I`ve seen do the `girly handwave` reaction to the ice bucket challenge!! 😉 (see Wargamergirl`s vid ) Anyway, proud of you especially with the yellow buckets afrerwards. Well done guys.
I was wondering if Carnevale would be done as an RPG? Assassin’s creed style running about etc. Concept a werewolf assassin starking the city hunting down the worst creatures to do battle with.
that carnage game looks cool I may have to try it
I think that Terrain would also be great for the Zone Mortalis rules from Forge World without having to spend a small fortune on the Forge World Tiles, also for games of Necromunda it would be awesome.
I love the Bolt Action activation system I have tried it a couple times now and it works pretty well.
Carnevale always sounds better and better, i really need to find a way to get some games in.
My idea for a Character
Charles Odoardo Farnese a Excommunicated Bishop Necromancer who is the sworn enemy of the current pope.
Thanks for another enjoyable Saturday morning guys.
Rialto Assassin: One dagger – one kill.
I want to see lovecraft’s Flying Polyps as a distinct faction in Carnivale, perhaps a sect of them that have joined forces with some humans to try and defend their Hatches for some reason.
my idea is leoandos a fallen angel torn from heaven when the rift opened in the sky thou greatly weakened by the experience still a worthy champion for good in these dark and uncertain times
Phoebe the fury is a very tough but sexy whaler lady with a (‘magic’?) Wooden leg her ‘white whale’ is atlantis, she hunted whales now she hunts the rashaar, because she thinks in venice lays the key to atlantis and the rashaar are hidding it.
An Immortal cat that enslaves humans to do its bidding. This being is the source of the cat worship cults of Ancient Egypt
or
The Gargoyle: A highly protective being who lost his original master who now tries desperately to protect those few friends he makes.
How about some religious themed:
The Hanged Bishop – an undead Vatican Leader who now serves his own god
il Duellante Anima – The Soul Duelist – a tool of god, but which god
The Eulogy – a vestal virgin and deadly assassin
OR…… you could just play Bolt Action!
My idea for a Carnevale character is Aeneas who was the first hero of Italy. He was cursed to eternal life and has been in hiding for millennia but now with the return of magic he is back. Is he here to save his Italy or does he have some other more nefarious plan?
Canevale Comp
Col. B. a unhinged ex 6th US Cavalry inventor still believing he is fighting the Indian Wars, he always wears his old Cavalry uniform with two clockwork Colt 45’s!
Great show guys, the bucket challenge had me choking on my coffee. The kids said @warzan sounded like Godzilla, very manly. Carnevale is looking even cooler.
Quickly on the other subject you will speak in greater depth tomorrow. I can say honestly you and the rest of BoW team have made myself and Dawn feel very welcome and proud to be part of that great group. Looking forward to tomorrow’s show.
Wow, the poker chip initiative idea could NOT have come at a better time. Tomorrow I’m trying out a new game at our local gaming club based loosely on Star Wars “Pocket Models The Card Game” – sort of a baby-minis / CCG hybrid. Well, we’re ditching the CCG aspect and trying to make it into a sort of miniatures game for Hoth, Endor, some battles of the Old Republic, Clone Wars, etc.
Anyway, the game has combat, damage, shielding, defense . . . but because it’s originally more of a CCG, no movement or initiative. BAM! Here comes @warzan and the BoW team with a quick home-grown solution for our quick home-grown game, PERFECT timing. Thanks!
Kudos on your gallant ice bucket challenge, and again sincerest thoughts on your family’s recent loss.
As with Justin I know I can’t win but,
an old man in night gown and cap who acts as the physical conduit for Hypnos, a Lovecraftian elder god whose kingdom exists in the dreams of humanity. He can call upon the dreamers and draw people into Hypnos’ realm. His kingdom comes.
BoW Sam
How about a Courtesan like Madame du Barry or Madame de Pompadour? It’ll probably work as a miniature, though in “real life” the skirts and corsets wouldn’t go well in combat.
Or how about a evil female harlequin? A bit demented? And not inspired by Harley Quinn. Not at all.
And Warren you mangled American history a bit*. The Salem Witch Trials were late 17th (circa 1690) not late 18th. Around that time we had moved on from Witches to misplaced discontentment/xenophobia to the British and Native Americans. Lately Arabs and Hispanic children have been the recipients.
*shocked I say!
My bad! 🙂
Again knowing I’m not eligible, but here’s an idea. Having been to Venice and seeing the beautiful art work in the churches. How about an artist who has discovered a magic that can be added to his paints to bring the paintings to life so he can control whatever he creates.
BoW Gianna
I love this one!!! 🙂
Dorian gray ???
Sort of but not really, there is no protecting his painting so he does not age. This is more of a misguided artist who was never given the credit he thought he deserved and was always a 2nd to the Masters until the Rent happens and then he becomes a Master.
Definitely
Great show love the battle systems scenery.
*great* idea for spicing up 40k. A friend of mine has been trying to coerce me into coming back for 7th, which I’ve been resisting. I’m going to pitch this idea to him and see if we can try it out. It might make it interesting enough to get me back.
I also loved the news about the new stuff for Carnevale, it’s one of the coolest settings available in gaming. I am a little disappointed that it’s a second edition however. All that said, I’d like to submit an idea for a character below:
Carlos Silvera was a highly skilled luthier and musician who feels that his family was stolen by the cults of the Rashaar when they joined the faithful worshippers. Since the rent in the sky appeared, his musical powers have grown, giving him a formidable weapon against all that stand in the way of retrieving his family.
Truly love that turn system, is far better than rolling dice because is a probabilistic distribution without replenish, not having replenish ensures that you won’t have the same probability of get another chip for the same player and in the end you will always get your full turn. I would love to try this for Kings of War and maybe Warmahordes, but in the case of KoW i will break it up into Movement/Charge Bag, Shoot Bag, Melee Bag. Warmahordes will be a hell lot more complicated.
I hope Ronnie and Jake heard about this and use it for Warpath!
is it just me or does the photo of them all together look like one off those from a gay chat line advert?
A phantom Gondlier who can be summoned out of the deep and can used to transport your characters in his green slimed gondola but he will want to exact a high price for the privilege if he can.
Vandaahl – Sabotage you say?! Count me in!
Ok, so inspired by Sam’s longer entry
The Dark Sexton – a robed figure adorned with a large inverted cross, he carries a shovel with a pike-tip in one hand and smoking censor in the other
La Baleniera – a veteran seaman with a torso like a barrel of lead shot, a mean, weathered beard and a nasty, barnacle crusted harpoon
Orso and Cub – a little person (nomenclature?) who rides on the back of a great brown bear, the bear has a ring through its nose, tied to a rope that the rider holds in his teeth. The rider, known as cub, carries a pistol in each hand.
My Entry for Carnevale’s Character :
Drasky Vanderhoff : “Why? That’s a no-questions… Nothing as a reason to be!”
A follower of Yaodom (know by many other names), entropy embodied in one single eternal and undividable entity that permeates the entire universe at every moment. He recently learn about this concept when he realize that things didn’t have to have a meaning, they just are and his mind was completely liberated by the shackles of reality and is now able to glimpse at the Real World… that always look back at him.
This gave him powers beyond logic and reason, is able to change any event that happen by focusing his attention onto it. For example, one is called “Bilepsix Parallax”, that makes any one goes into one direction go into the complete opposite one or invert the result of an action before it happens.
For him everyone only sees one tiny slice of what is happens at every moment and his growing appetite for enjoying the most stunning moments made him look into all the news he heard about Venice and a multitude of places, no interest in any particular politics or treasures but rather feeling and learning everything about it.
Ok, clearly i’m being egocentric 😛 but the character is really me in a way since i do believe that things have no reason to be at all and the universe that we live into has 10 dimensions and that affects the way the infinite range of possibilities that we have and how we can move between them with every action that we do. For those interested search on youtube “Imagining the Tenth Dimension” ( it has two parts ). Btw he is probably a follower of Azathoth, but is not very clear…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA
http://youtu.be/JkxieS-6WuA
Warren has nailed it. Turn mechanic is, in my book, the number two problem with 40K. Cost is number one. I haven’t played Bolt Action, but I fell in love with the hand in the bag mechanic straight away. If i’m not mistaken, there is some precedence for a gameworkshop game to alternate turn activation: Dreadfleet. I believe players roll off for initiative each game round then “you move a ship, I move a ship” kicks in.
Shamelessly signing up for the prize dudes. Not even watched the whole show yet, only the disturbing opening scenes.
You guys basically sold me on this game. I will be putting up cash for this when the kickstarter is active. Not only that out of the sites that I have been too, this is the one that I plan to support even though I am in USA.
Llu
I’m leaving more than my fair share here, but how about:
The Howling Bucketeer: A topless, robust (or as we say in Canada, grain-fed) lad, standing in the middle of a water-filled bucket, mouth stretched in agony, unleashing a sonic wail that shatters glass and frightens small children in the night?
I got another one:
Dr. Giancarlo Agnoli the director of the mental asylum on the island of San Servolo, or Island of the Mad. Rumored worshipper of Dagon. No one knows what awful experiments he performed on his patients just that none of them ever left the asylum.
FFS not another kickstarter that I want my bank account wishes i had never heard about it.
as for 40k rules it is very static and boring at times that’s way I try to play no more than 1500 points but even then it can take ages yes im looking at you IG orks nids deamons with your 150 + minis
Great job. That terrain looks great
This Weekender really mad my week! You guys cringing as the cold ice water hit your shirtless-ness… LOL! I really hope Tom Kirby answers the challenge!
‘The Artificer’ inventor of the weird and wonderful and things that go bang (maybe firework related)
Leonardo da Vinci Vampire hunter with all his vampire killing gadgets
Love this idea!!! The special abilities would be awesome through definition of the gadgets! 🙂
I have a couple of the Carnivale faction starters and downloaded the rulebook but never got further than that. The game should be so far up my street it lives next door but it never seemed to grab me. Perhaps the behind the scenes issues in promoting the game properly were the problem.
I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with I go U go, though it definitely seems to be falling out of fashion. Games like Warmachine, Kings of War, and SAGA use it and it works very well for them. Those games are really designed from the ground up to work that way whereas I get the impression (as a non-40K player) that it’s more the case that it’s a dated relic of its roots that as the game has gotten bigger and evolved has become very clunky. Though like I say, I don’t play it so could be way off.
Let’s give the competition a bash –
“Il Bestia”
A four-headed monstrosity, a mangled mess of limbs and pasty flesh. Il Bestia’s bloodcurdling screams are the stuff of nightmares. Few who see Il Bestia live to tell the tale, but those who do speak of its fear of water, especially cold water…
Noble with a sword and pistol for duelling. Deliberately provokes duels at high class parties just to get his jollies.
The Shadow Dancer…. A Character, that has managed to use magic to travel from one shadow to another, and strike with or throw a dagger from the new location, before trying to disappear through the shadows again.
Is he an assassin for hire, or a vigilante??
Those screams were chillling 😛
When the Vatican Forces were talked about, my first thought was of a great sword , the hilt of which was like an elaborate crucifix. To wield it, you could have a Templar Champion, a giant of a man in full plate, with a helmet visor slit in the templar cross. This nameless juggernaut strides into the fray, dealing death the heretics and enemies of the church. He might not be leaping any canals however.
Pietro Solario was a minstrel working his way through the taverns of Venice, happy to sing a song and share a drink with anyone that would join him. After a rather sordid evening spent with a woman, her husband appeared before the pair and promptly stuck his sword through Pietro’s chest. Much to the surprise of Pietro, his would-be killer, and the woman of loose morals, the fresh wound knit itself before their eyes as if nothing had happened. Pietro it seemed, was one of the Gifted.
A glass blower who learned sand and glass magic from Iran and travelled to live in Venice. He uses his knowledge of Druze and Zoroastrian magic to create sculptures, weapons, and illusions.
Hers is my Flavor text:
“All these Beasts of War…Such misery and pain we face in this world we live in. This challenge is ours to accept.”
Hers is my Flavor text:
“All these Beasts of War…Such misery and pain we face in this world we live in. This challenge is ours to accept.”
Here is the idea of the character: I would like to have a Sean Connery type from “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen ” Allan Quatermain. A man of the world that has seen man things and faced many “Beast of War”.
you guys where right, i never played carnavale i never heared about until yesterday and i cant stop thinking about crazy characters populating venice….so just to put my mind at ease here a few more character ideas…. 😉
John Martel – jamaican pirate who vanished 1717 and reappeared 1795 in venice, nobody knows where he was the last 80 years and why he havent aged and nobody knows what he wants some say he just waited for the right time to fullfill his destiny.
A. N. Scherer – a german chemist pioneer who traveled a lot for his studys in early chemistry and came to venice to enhance his knowledge and skill regarding chemistry, in short: a lunatic german chemist who uses magical enhanced chemistry for his purpose.
Christian Ludwig Ideler (21 September 1766 – 10 August 1846) was a Germanchronologist and astronomer, who came to venice to study the rift, its powers and a way to exploit it.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Ludwig_Ideler
Idea for a character:
A grizzled old French and Indian War veteran, who was known as a brutal fighter/killer. He is British and fought in North America where he had eventually left the Brits and joined a native American tribe and fought alongside them. While with the natives he gained a gift of magical abilities. When the tribe he was with was destroyed in the war he fled, trying to find himself and who he was (who he had become).
Carvevale needs the Marquis de Sade!, or someone like the Scarlet Pimpinel
Absolutely HILARIOUS intro chaps, well done! I too got bored of the 40 K my turn your turn mechanic, however G.W, did do a marvelous job with the LOTR/Hobbit strategy battle game where bothe players take turnes to move, shoot and fight, which allows each army to play far more “reactively”, and your not waiting half an hour whilst getting pummelled. Of particular genius is that you can use might to steal priority of your opponent (who can contest this with his own might supply).
Awesome show guys, Warren love the poker chip idea for 40k turns, I’ll give it a go this Thursday night as we’re having a 4 player session.
I prefer what the guys at d20pro are doing with their new program for my tabletop roleplaying than some paper craft.
Jacopo Van Helsing – Abraham’s unheard of brother, raised in secret by the Vatican and trained as an exorcist, as he displayed “unusual powers”. Actually under the control of greater forces beyond the rift causing him to randomly turn on the church.
As one of the world’s first balloonists, Anton Cavallo was in the skies above Italy the day they were ripped open: as such, he has been closer to the rent that any other human being – and has been changed forever by his experience…
Oh, I can imagine him becoming one with his invention, a twisted mocking of an allegory; a bloated monstrosity of fused flesh and colorful canvas, filled with gas and rage …
Sorry for running with your idea, I just really liked it. 😀
And I have another one:
Fabio Mariani one of the last remaining captains of the declining merchant fleet of Venice. Always dressed in exotic clothes and carrying his fine-crafted dueling pistols. Nobody knows how he’s able to ply his trade when the Rashaar control/attack the trade routes.
Disclaimer: No infringement on previous entries intended; I just have not read all 130+ comments. 🙂
The Gondolier (Guild or Independent)
No one knows just how he keeps his black boat so shiny, but for a price, he’ll take any passenger and there are few faster ways through the canals … that don’t feel your lungs up with seawater.
The Moor (or Saracen) Captain (Patricians or Independent)
With La Serenissima’s formidable sea defense down, the time is right for the agents of the crescent moon to reap the spoils. A galley can never bring home too many slaves and riches.
Galley slave (Guild or Rashar)
When day by day you wake up chained to the oar bench, the soothing call of waves and their saving embrace becomes a tempting proposition.
Animte Mud (Rashar or Ospedale)
“Your excellence, I don’t think you understand, this man says that the CANAL FLOOR at the dried Rio de la Tetta got up and killed those workers!”
The Lion Automaton (New Vatican or Byzantium)
The remains of St. Mark, the patron saint of Venice, have been stolen and brought to the city by Venetian merchants in 828. When the basilica bearing his name was being renovated two centuries later, the relics were nowhere to be found. According to the legend, the saint himself revealed the remains the following year, to be placed back in the church. The pragmatics believe they were in fact stolen again or that the remains brought to Venice were those of Alexander the Great in the first place. When a large, gilded clockwork winged lion with a glass abdomen was spotted roaming the streets of the city, some said it looked like an animated reliquary. But no one came close enough to see weather it carries the remains of the saint or is, in fact, looking for them in the depths of abandoned churches.
Really looking forward to the KS on this one!
Massimo Sarria – poor mask maker in Venice who was always looked down upon by the nobility. now after the Rent in the Sky he infuses his masks with magic to control the nobility who treated him so badly.
I would like to see a Venetian embodiment of one (or maybe even all) of The Endless from the Sandman graphic novels. They would fit the background and character motives perfectly.
Death would be the prime candidate. Everyone she speaks to has just died. They just didn’t realize it yet.
Loved this weeks video.
The ice bucket challenge was great, especially the slo-mo bit. Justin can reach some high notes. 😉 Have you guys ever considered making a Beasts of War calender?
I love the poker chip idea. I hated the turn sequence playing WHF and I even hate it playing Mordheim.
Carnevale ideas:
I like the idea of a character like Faust, the man who sold his soul to the devil for knowledge and power.
The Vatican is a faction that I’d love to see with some wierd characters.
Hellboy 2 had that character of Johann Kraus. I’d love to see a bishop with a fishbowl helmet to contain his essence.
A captain Ahab would be cool, running around Venice with his pegleg trying to kill fishmen with his harpoon for taking his leg.
i would like to see a miniature of H P Lovecraft as a magian who summon anything cthulhu
i think that would be cool
Carnevale pitches:
1. Undead King Arthur
2. Van Helsing possibly as a werwolf
3. Crazed King George
As all the Carnevale characters I could think of, have all been posted already.(Damn having to work on Saturday!)
I would like to comment on the random unit activation game turn Warren proposed.
This works great for games where there is enough space /terrain between units so they have to move into weapon range.And if the units in the games are not too over powered.
However, we found that when ‘Death Star type units’ activate first , they can decimate a large chunk of the opposing army .In the same way as if one player gets to activate several units in weapons range in one go.
This random unit activation partially mitigates the ‘alpha strike’ problem, of the alternating game turn .
But it does not solve the ‘time warp ‘ problem.
Where one player gets to perform up to 4 actions, before the opponent can respond.(So players will ask for reaction rules like ‘over watch’ etc.)
So I think alternating phases,(LoTR) or alternating actions, would cope with the diversity of units found in current 40k better.(And reduce the ‘alpha strike’ problem and ‘time warp factor’ as well.)
Excellent show as always!
Carnevale idea:
Greek mercenary bareknuckle boxer Philo and his best friend Clyde the orangutan.
I don’t mind getting a bit of Carnevale for free but I am so much looking forward to chipping in on the KS…
Here’s a couple of suggestions:
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The girl with the sickles
Rumour has it she is of noble descent, the girl with a blank stare
walking in silence through the dark streets of Venice. She is said
to perform her Danse Macabre using a pair of sickles to spin
around her victim’s neck. Only when the victim’s head falls to the
ground will she stop dancing. Better not invite her for a dance
they say …
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Maurice the Barabary Corsair
By promising great wealth a Venetian merchant tricked captain
Maurice into attacking a Spanish fleet guarding the Granadan
coast. Maurice was defeated and barely escaped hanging.
Now he has come to Venice to the claim the life and the gold of
every noble.
Has anyone tried the Bolt Action dice bag with FOW?
The Preacher – Driven mad by raining magic, the Preacher has no fear and will read his prophesy to all willing – and unwilling to listen, he has been preaching to his flock in the middle of some of the worst street violence imaginable… always preaching
The man on fire – little is known other than the rift has driven some of the humans to combustion – most die but one gifted person – or is it multiple, men have survived and now sell their skills to the highest bidder, always on fire, he leaves a trail of fire where he walks and can throw balls of fire like knives at his opponents….
Carnevale sounds interesting – anything that allows modelling of Tim Powers Anubis Gates is a win for me. With this and Wolsung, my gaming is definitely going character based.
Just occurred to me that the poker chip turn sequence would work really well with Battlefleet Gothic…. Rolls out space mat…
Nice, Warren is actually wearing the ribbon.
Hello!
I just got home from the UK. I will be reading (again) all of your comments in the next couple of days and I’ll get back to BoW with the result.
THANK YOU so much for all your warmth and support guys! it means the world to us.
“Edmond Dontes” (count of monte cristo) Master Mind and Master swordsman fuelled by revenge, he has Limitless funds with pirate connections…….
Entry for Carnevale:
Don’t worry, this won’t hurt ME much.
You however, when we’re true i’ll have picked your brain and you’ll be wearing your heart on your sleeve.
i like to see a character base on Alice not lewis carrol cute verion but the dark phycopath from American McGee Alice
“Edmond Dontes” (count of monte cristo) Master Mind and Master swordsman fuelled by revenge, he has Limitless funds with pirate connections…….
Anna Pagoli had been left as a baby on the steps of the Ospedale della Pietà where through the years she was taught to play the cello. She was not a happy child. When she wasn’t playing incredibly sad songs on the cello she was sitting in her small room looking out the window, thinking of her parents who abandoned her. Now she roams the streets of Venice with her cello driving the inhabitants to commit suicide after hearing her play her sad songs on the enchanted instrument.
Sorbuckemra Mephimistoffeles, the Voice From Beyond, the Mad Musician, the Demon With the Golden Voice. No one knows from whence he came, or where he goes, but all know to pray for their sanity when they hear his transcendental tunes.
Idea for Carnavale! A whaling ship captain with a huge harpoon as his weapon.
What a fantastic prize!
I have to say i was kinda freaked when the show started, as I typically watch this at the office – potentially embarrassing!
I just got a windows 8.1 phone…wonder if carnage will work on that.
Finally started to catch up on the last weekender. I must say these shows are getting better and better. I really got interested in the Carnevale game. I think I will even jump into it (God that’s another time I am saying this).
I’ll throw my two pence worth in for the competition
The Orphan Antoinette:- Plucked from the streets, raised by the guild, this baby doll will sucker punch all who try to bring her to harm.
Rosie “Liberace” Lucretia:- The big beautiful, bejewelled Queen of the Canals.
O.k fingers crossed, and i’ll try and think up more.
When does the competition finish.
Weirdly, my entry seems to have disappeared.
Independent: Large and silent, with rounded shoulders and brown-red skin as hard as rock, “Emet” guards the people of Carnaregio near the city’s foundries. He is a golem, made using ancient secrets smuggled from Warsaw; and like all creations of man, inherently flawed. How long until this creature that fights monsters becomes a monster himself?
(There’s a long tradition of pottery in Venice, and they were one of the first pottery centres in Italy; and the Venetian Ghetto is actually the place that gives English the word “ghetto”, so it seems appropriate to refer to it in some way.)
Independent: The winged lion of St Mark has long been a symbol of Venice. Is the creature who prowls the streets and canals a carving made flesh? Could it be some unnatural blending of beasts, escaped from an Ospedale laboratory? Or could it somehow be an incarnation of the city itself as it was in its heyday, swift and predatory and glorious?
I was also thinking that it would be nice to reference the traditions of glass-blowing and lacemaking, but I’m less inspired by those. How about a glassmaker from Murano whose greatest work was shattered by brawling thugs who simply revelled in the sound of beauty breaking; he has bound himself to his sundered masterpiece, and roams the streets with arms covered in sharp shards of glass. (Though I imagine glass might be difficult to model/paint in a cool way.)
Or — Arachne’s Daughters are the enforcers of the lacemaker’s guild; originally tasked with ensuring that the secrets of the guild would stay close-guarded, their ornate nets and poisoned daggers now seek other prey.
Contest: Ospedale – A doctor, experimenting with rats and the plague. Has created a device, that allows him to summon hordes of rats. From every nook and cranny that is near by. And attack those that fight to stop him.
Contest:
Doctore:- Descended from the gladiators of old, his fierce fighting ability is matched by his devotion to the noble houses that hire and despise him, his sense of honour is unwaving even though his masters see him as little more than a street thug.
This is good .. more and more people start to acknowledge the 40k rules need to be modernized to survive.
Captain Blunt – discharged soldier of the British Kings 95th Rifles, who travels the world looking for the most Honorable way to die.
Here’s one…
An aged immortal knight off to slay that most wretched of serpents, Dagon.
Rashaar is my favorite faction, but I will propose a character Gremio : gondolier . He is armed with a hook, and perhaps spear with hook. As a optional, a Gondolier can purchase a gondola. A gondola is a item with its own figure . A gondolier can ride up his gondola, and move above surface of canals as normal soil. Two characters human can ride up a gondola together. If a character is pushed meantime he is about the gondola, he go to water.
It’s been a hard day at work so just had some time coming up with a few more folk:
– Mr. Wing, a Chinese emissary who knows KUNG FU
– The Lord of Tombs, a self-taught magician who is suffering from the warping of magic over Venice and now slowly being consumed by his own magic
– Antonio Stradibavarius, a deaf violin maker who doesn’t know a tone but has refined the instrument for both melee combat and for use as a crossbow
– Esplosivo, a chemist gone mad now testing explosives in the streets of Venice
– Charles the Magnificent, an electrochemist furious of not getting credit for his inventions uses homemade conductors and batteries to perform electroshocks on people
– Jarus, a Viking warrior risen from his grave in the sea off the coast of Venice searching for fresh skulls to carve his precious runes into
– Charlotte the Harlot who uses her good looks and scissors to get to the heart of men
– Oruç the Barbery Corsair arriving with a lust for vengeance after a naval dispute with a Venetian merchant
– Valenvcir, a man performing with a group of apes that he has trained to fight for him
Baron Gudrun Hildebrandt, occult investigator who uses his magical abilities and ancestral runic longsword (etched in elder futhark) to combat the strange beasts and denizens from beyond.
Carnevale Competition.
The Dandy Highwayman:-
This Prince Charming amongst thieves, is full of style, full of grace and totally full of himself!! He loves to hide in cover and jump out on an unsuspecting passer-by, and with his patented “Stand And Deliver!” skill, relieve his opponents of useful items.
Abducted from his home in northern Greece/somewhere else in the Balkans, Mehmet was raised by the Ottomans to become an elite janissary commander. Approaching retirement, he returned to his estate to find every one killed and drained of blood. Since that day this agent of the Sultans has been tracking Dracula and looking for allies to help him destroy him once and for all.
I’m not entirely sure that I agree with Warren regarding “my game”.
Sure, do what you want. But don’t forget that the strength of Games Workshop games have been, for a very long time, that you can go just about anywhere in the world (well, in the Western World, anyway…) and get a game.
Once you start house-ruling the game you lose this ability.
I’ve heard the same being said about 7th edition. “If you don’t like the rules, just change them”. But where do we end then? Should every club make their own version of the rules? Should we spend an hour before every game to talk about the house rules we use and which should be in effect for this particular game?
Dalí as a gifted, creating his oniric creatures-objects!
Might have already been done of said but the game really needs a V for Vendetta Character
“Strength through Unity, Unity through Faith”
The whole white mask and blades.