The Weekender: Our Thoughts on The Wargaming Week
January 26, 2013 by dignity
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It's been another mad week here at BoW HQ what with Dark Angles and all the other cool stuff that's been going on, this week were joined by Templars Crusade 01 (A.K.A, Brian) from you tube to share his thoughts, and to give us all a heads up on some cool upcoming events and maybe even a con that's in the planning.
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I agree with Warren entirely on the my opinion is most important to me.
But I’d word it differently. Its my Hobby, not yours. Its Your Hobby, not mine.
I got the limited edition DA codex for $150. The Standard edition is $83 in Australia. im pretty annoyed about the spelling mistakes or the fact that i now have to walk around with a paper print out with my brand new codex. These mistakes should have been picked up before these books were even printed or during testing if any even took place. I agree with Warren on a previous video. It feels like they released the book knowing the errors were there and decided to fix it later because they wanted to meet their deadline.
Proof readers would have picked holes in the Codex
insert quip about Finecast here….
The new codices are straight forward and not complex. When you look at the models released recently along whit these, bar the new raptors in my opinion, they have a zoid/power ranger look and feel to them. Possible with the view to target the younger audiences. When you compare them to the forgeworld books, for example the rules in Betrayal, the customisable options are diverse, rules more complex and the forgeworld models included aimed at the more seasoned gamer (or those whom love the cool models).
Compare the codices from 4th edition, where there was much room for customisation, the new ones are very straightforward. I can see that 40k may branch into forgeworld produces codices and army types for the mature gamer and the GW stuff for a younger crowd.
Mini con
I quite like that!
A little obvious and also taken. I’m going there this weekend in fact.
http://www.precinctomega.co.uk/MiniCon/miniconindex.html
How about referencing the YouTube channel’s Grumpy Old (war) Gamers?
GOGcon
because GOWGcon is completely unpronouncable.
Awesome, so there will be at least two of us there, then!
Personally I’m looking forward to trying out Dreadball tomorrow.
Thank you guys so much for normalizing/compressing the sound ! SO much better and way easier to listen to and enjoy. Truly thank you for listening !
could you give us a hint in what will be gong on at this event? is it strictly 40k? all wargames? all things tabletop? this might help get the creative juices going. Until we find out I think I would like to go with ‘Table Top Tussle’
guys, I thought you were going to have some army list’s for us to look at like: “Ben and Bob the librarian show”. I am a noobie and would love to see your army ideas.l
Thought this was a great video to watch whilst painting skaven slaves (sigh…they never end!) I think it was interesting to hear the larger scope/ general views on 40k and GW. Would have been even more interesting to hear the contrasting views of Andy and Darrell, as to why the competitive aspect draws some people in more.
Also loved the innuendos, the sanguinors blessing will never get old.
How about “the south east little men convention”? 🙂
I wonder how it all will work together. A army list would be great or another battle “report”. But it seems like my existing army needs only very few additions. Great job, all the videos of this week have been very good.
One thing I wanted to note: It seems like the german version contains only half the number of errors as the original english one.. very strange (only verterans, techmarine and azrael mistakes). Anyone experiences with other language versions? There because if there are fewer errors in the translated versions did they print a wrong original version. If the iron halo for belial was missing in the original how it comes that it seems to be in the translated codex. Can not verify it.. still looking forward when my copy arrives.
As the English version of a codex is finalised before sending to the translators, I can only imagine that the errors were caught by the studio after the Dark Angels book was sent to print in China for the English language versions but in time for some of the translated master files to be caught and corrected. Which means they knew there was an pile of errors before the book was sold… I refer you to my thoughts in the video.
I hope that Dreadball ended up being for wargamers the same as Stacraft is for south-koreans 😀 ( or that place is already ocuppied by Warmahordes ? )
PD: Justin the Image Caller!
PD2: First time i see a space marine without a power armor O.o
Name for the event ? CHEESE-CON!
War Con.
Enjoyed the show. I tend to agree with Warren that the two 6th books are noticeably different to the previous lot, and I’m not talking power or effectiveness, but previous books had fluff that translated into game rules (as per blood talons et al) , whereas now fluff for weapons or objects seems to have little bearing on the rules they actually use.
That , for me, makes those new armies a bit bland, fluff in a book is all well and good, but if it sjust for reading, Black Library do it so much better, in the context of the game, I want the fluff in my minis on the table, not just in the book.
Superb show, excellent conversation, sound crisp and clear. Very well done 🙂
A bit dull but……. EssexCon ?
DA were my first army as well, great theme, robes…Terminators and Bikes, woohoo!
This codex is seriously meh, except for the devastation banner in a Landraider, I’m worried about being able to field these guys in my meta and have them be fun to play. The biggest disappointment was that the cost of Deathwing and Ravenwing is just too high to field enough models. 1 wound models with a lot of tricks are still just 1 wound models – easy to fix by giving them another wound or get them to 35-40 points base.
I also play Tau and am really worried that they are going safe with the gameplay with them. Not looking forward to another boring release with minor changes and increased points cost.
If GW Thinks its the Rolls Royce of tabletop war gaming It Better take care of business and those who spend their hard earned cash to support them.
Win-a-con
Guys – the books you’ve mentioned, that had the binding problem, were all printed in China and in the UK.
Everyone one who has the book must read the small blue box on page 3 – talk about a starter army :L
The book is disappointing but we need to make the most of it. Heres are a few ideas I’ve come up with anyway (I’ve already mentioned them somewhere else as well):
Dark Angels – Good combos
Terminator surprise:
Belial w/ TH/SS 190
10x Deathwing Terminators 440
10x TH/SS 50
2x Cyclone ML’s 50
=730pts
Expensive but nobody likes having 10 scoring TH/SS termies behind them, turn one without scattering and with 4 missiles (which can be fired at different targets and are TL!!).
Dark Angel drop squad:
Azreal 215
9x Veteran Squad 162
7x Combi-plasmas 70
2x Meltaguns 20
Drop pod 35
=502 pts
Expensive and their not as good as Sternguard I hear you cry. Well this squad is halfway between a Sternguard and vanguard squad. Thanks to Azreal, the veterans are fearless, Ld10, Futious charge (Warlord trait), oh and 4++ save not forgetting the combi weapons they have!!!
Librarian Camper:
Librarian 65
Devastator squad 70
4x ML’s 60
4x Flakk Missiles 40
Aegis defence line w/ Quad gun 100
=335pts
Cheap(er) but good if you look to play a green ultramarine list. You have great ant air capabilities, anti tank capabilities and rerolls. Godsend for DA as the new fliers are crap.
Allies Note:
Allow for Dark Angels must be cheap because death/raven wing are expensive so here’s an idea I have. Remember two nephillim jet fighters are 360pts:
Imperial Guard strike force:
CCS 50
Veteran squad 70
2x Vendettas (squadron) 260
=380pts
So for 20pts more you get two better fliers – one of which contains a cheap scoring unit. Nothing more to say your honour 🙂
Hope this is food for thought 😀
List ideas:
•Deathwing 1850 List (40pts left over)
HQ
Belial 190
TH/SS
Troops
10x Deathwing Terminators 440
10x TH/SS 50
2x Cyclone ML’s 50
10x Deathwing Terminators 440
10x TH/SS 50
2x Cyclone ML’s 50
10x Deathwing Terminators 440
10x TH/SS 50
2x Cyclone ML’s 50
•1850 Pure Dark Angels:
Dark Angels List
HQ
Azreal 215
Elites
9x Veteran Squad 162
7x Combi-plasmas 70
2x Meltaguns 20
Drop pod 35
Troops
10x Deathwing Terminators 440
10x TH/SS 50
Cyclone ML 25
6x Ravenwing Bikes 161
Meltagun 10
6x Ravenwing Bikes 161
Meltagun 10
6x Ravenwing Bikes 161
Meltagun 10
10x Scouts 120
10x Camo Cloaks 20
10x Sniper Rifles
Fast Attack
Nephilim Jetfighter 180
•Deathwing with ravenwing support w/ Guard allies 1850
HQ
Belial 190
TH/SS
Troops
10x Deathwing Terminators 440
10x TH/SS 50
2x Cyclone ML’s 50
10x Deathwing Terminators 440
10x TH/SS 50
2x Cyclone ML’s 50
10x Scouts 120
10x Camo Cloaks 20
10x Sniper Rifles
Fast Attack
Landspeeder 50
Typhoon ML 25
Guard allies:
CCS 50
Veteran squad 70
2x Vendettas (squadron) 260
For me it’s time to stop crying about it and make something of it 😀
I feel the same way as Warren about the codex, in that I was looking forward to this for ages and then they sell it with a bunch of mistakes that could’ve easily been avoided. I imagine with the digital codex that FAQ’s would be available as an automatic update to it – if not, that’s even worse as at least with a book version, you’d have a place to put your printed FAQ into.
Something I don’t like about the FAQ’s in general, is that GW doesn’t mention on their main page that they have made mistakes and then point you to the FAQ page. Until I started watching BoW I had no idea that FAQ’s even existed; certainly GW don’t make any bones to make it instantly visible on their page. It’s left to customers to “discover” it by chance, which is a rather underhanded way of dealing with their customers who pay £30 for a thin book full that’s full of errors.
Got three ideas for the con’s name… Grumpy Warriors Con or Grumpy Warmongers Con or Mini Warmongers Con.:D
I think everyone has missed a big point on the Dark Angles Codex topic.
and that is ….
Jeremy Vetock.
This guy has spent a lot more time with Warhammer and LOTR the past few years, with Dark angles being is first Codex in a while. This is why it has such a very big shift in perspective.
Yes it may have been rushed. Yes it may have mistakes. (but almost all their books even black library, has spelling errors that get overlooked) Yes it may feel underpowered or “nerfed” but take a few steps back and think about the big picture.
I think Vetock has give us an army that in fact is incredibly Fluff based and Balanced. They feel more like regular space marines with slight organizational differences (which is what Dark Angles truly are!)
they don’t have a flaw or a crap gene seed that turns them into wolves or vampires, they are regular marines that have a few extra toys.
Take this into perspective, the army list is set up to work together. No, they don’t have super weapons that can win a tournament against other marine armies, they have fun stuff to play a fun game.
I understand the complaints, trust me I do. But take a step back and remember that an codex doesn’t need super weapons to be fun, or even win a game.
Great series of videos. I really like the varied guests which generate intersting topics.
As for the Dark Angels I bought all the Codices for Fifth Edition but am not wasting money on a poorer produced products now.
My suggestion for the convention is “Art’s Of War:UK”
Looking forward to more excellent content
Well that was a marathon…….Beasts, Templars & War con or BTWcon
white scars did have dreadnoughts they just very rarely inter marines in them as they view it as terrifying due to their nomad heritage… still think its wrong that they have a dreadnought in their painted white scars its not natural! good points on the fiddling with dark angel background several gamers in my area a little bitter about that.
Stu seems to have an excellent point about the IP of GW so… yeah.
The passion is always why we stick to things regardless i hope you remain full of it as it what makes your videos so fun to watch keep it up 🙂 also you seem to of stolen Andys horses for courses thing :).
When i was reading the stuff bout the megarachnids tbh i thought they were nids…
o and almost forgot…for the superbowl… GO FIRESTORM!
Talking about how the new codices seem more boring and balance, how about comparing Codex Dark Angels to the other new codex, Chaos Space Marines, as, even though I’ve not read this DA codex yet, the CSM codex did seem to have much more flavour and exciting and interesting rules in it, such as the boon table?
Great week guys and a great, entertaining show to cap it off – I like myself a good rant & I couldn’t agree more about the poor production value of the book. This aside here’s my opinion on the new Dark Angels. I know I don’t post often but I like to try and make it count when I do…so hold onto your helmets 😉
I think it’s hard to get any true character in the Dark Angels – as they are a rather dour, serious bunch. Space Wolves are drunken brawlers; Blood Angels have a degenerative disease that turns them into psychos and Dark Angels? They have shame of which they must absolve…that’s it. Personally I’d like to have seen them with a more interesting background than Jervis gave them originally, trying to escape some fate that would lead them to war against the Imperium or even having a prophesised direct responsibility for the Emperor’s ultimate demise or some such thing. Far better to have them wage a war against an inevitable fate they simply won’t accept than simply feeling ashamed and trying to cover up the cause of said shame IMHO.
Although I favour to play a form of 2nd Ed, I agree the rules seem lacking. I think vanilla can be amazing but it’s a much better experience with chocolate sauce or chilli with it – if you excuse the culinary analogy (again). For me the book lacks options in certain areas.
I also get the feeling that the ideas are there, but the execution is lacking a little. Complexity for starter armies shouldn’t be an issue. I was 8 when I started playing 2nd Ed, which has a lot of rules, multiple alternate dice for armour penetration (hell they were practically equations) and a lot more detail – which I still feel captures the brutality and “cinematic” feel better than any edition of 40k has done since. So why can’t today’s kids enjoy something similar?
Back to the Dark Angels it’s little things like why can’t the Dark Angels have Special Issue Ammo or even some of their own unique ammo? 90+% of SM Chapters have it, but not Dark Angels? Why? They’re meant to prioritise the capture of Fallen above all else, so a stasis round and rad round for the Vets wouldn’t have gone amiss etc. Why couldn’t they have had Chaplain Dreadnoughts? I wouldn’t care if it cost 200-250pts…it would be cool, unique and would also sell loads for GW? Add a White Dwarf article for Chaplain Dreadnoughts to be used in other Marine armies and job done. I want my Characters to be able to take special ammo, if I so wished – things like that are lacking for me. It bugs me as the rules seem to be half “organic” and half mechanised or forced – perhaps due to GW’s policy, of which I know too little to speculate upon/comment further.
For me people pay money for product, so try and make the rules to use said product as fun and ‘free’ as possible – give players tons of options & conversion ideas, whilst selling as many bits as possible to supply those options/ideas. The Deathwing boxed set does this – I’ve ordered one and who says those mauls and the attached knights can’t represent cool-looking TH/SS terminators if you want them to? True WYSIWYG in games is about as much fun as arranged marriages. So long as something is representative and your opponent is made aware of what a unit is armed with, then there shouldn’t be any issues. Ever.
Looking at this ‘dex and the Chaos one I think they’re on par with each other, but I’m not saying that’s a good thing. It’s looking like 6th Ed is going to be a bit bland (unit special rules wise) across the board. In this sense I think it’s a bit much (though perfectly reasonable and understandable) to compare them with Codex’s we all know are a little crazy. I think a better comparison would be to the Chaos ‘dex just gone. It’ll be interesting to see what books we get by the end of the year and how 6th Edition pans out as a result.
This said I think there is plenty of options to create different armies or combinations thereof. The book is just missing that kick for me which a Chaplain Dreadnought or, hell, even a Deathwing Ironclad would have added. Little rules, like if a character wins a challenge against a CSM character, then they get to roll to see if they’ve captured a Fallen or something would have added a bit more to it. Or a precision strike stasis round means that that character can’t issue or refuse a challenge? Sometimes it’s the little things that make all the difference (a popular phrase of mine ;))
Lastly I’m aware units have to hold up by themselves and that best laid plans often get laid to rest all too quickly (those damnable dice gods!). However I also feel that with this edition combo’s and supplementary buffs/de-buffs to get the best out of units are a major theme which we will see repeated through all the releases. The Necron ‘dex is a prime example prior to this edition of this way of thinking.
If you look at the psychic powers and the mass of USR’s, the rules for IC’s and Allies then, to me, this all adds up to more combo play and less lone choices dominating Codex books.
Well that’s it – rant done 🙂
As for the Con I think it should be called “Flesh Flute Festival”…
No?
Hobby MegaCon? Anywho I think we need more of a hobby focused (as in painting and modelling) con – it sounds great and I look forward to all news pertaining to said Con.
Many thanks 🙂
Well I feel you guys are missing the simplicity aspect in this fashion,
I think GW has concluded that you can not maintain all of the 40k universe at a league or competitive level and still keep it fun and intersting without a major smash up of rules that will always some how conflict with each other.
So it kind of makes sense at first if you break all the armies down into different levels of play to capture a wider and bigger customer base.
With the introduction of allied forces you can pool all of your competitive players into the first level of faction choices such as all of your marines excluding black templars and dark angels— well heres how it appears to me.
level one; ultra marines, imperial guard, space wolves, blood angels, grey knights
level two; necrons, orks, tau, eldar
level three; black templar, sisters of battle, dark eldar, nids, dark angels
If you look back nids, dark eldar and now dark angels all recieved very much nerfed codexes. While your blood angel and grey knights have all got a pretty good boost…
In light of the 6th edition rule change, maybe they want to use the level one and in some part use the level two to keep the competitive players at bay because they are the ones that will go out to buy like a whole army just for the purpose of league play.
As the painter or model builder will just buy whatever to build and paint. If you notice the dark eldar and the dark angel along with the nids. Are a really fancy and pointy and totally not table top tough factions. As the level one models are pretty tough and can take a beaten with less fancier parts.
Anyway I feel it is a tragic mistake on GW’s part not to take more time and create a more even but fun playing field with all the factions
That would suggest that GW have some sort of marketing strategy other than
PRICE HIKE! The new kidz will still stump up the Teefz LOLZ!!1!
If so it would make a nice change. Except judging other comments the prices are still painful as having ones’ teeth pulled by an Ork sans anaesthetics.
@chibi
The price hike will make sense if it were a strained and some what fractured marketing ploy.
I am just trying to make sense of it all.
Apologies. I didn’t intend to sound like I was having a go at you.
You may well be correct and GW are changing. But it is hard not to be cynical of GW when it comes to marketing, which was the intended target of the sarcasm, not your idea.
One thing that doesn’t appear to have been mentioned is the possibility that GW have backed themselves into a corner with each new release having bigger and better.
There is only so far you can do that without the system collapsing.
Gamers see and expect bigger and better and are disappointed when their fave army doesn’t get it, maybe?
No apology needed,
remember the internet is nothing more than a impersonal means of projecting ones idea.
Also a common place for pissing and moaning over the highjacking of 40k and turning it into what I call the world of warcraft effect.
Granted I still play WOW by itself it is fantastic, however all the game makers saw the bank roll that blizzard was making off that game.
One of which would be wizards of the coast and the 4.0 Dungeon and Dragons rule set which stripped the magic users and alot of the tailor made do it your self combo’s. Then replaced it with a step system like that found in WOW.
Anyway it would appear that maybe GW is also reaching for the world of warcraft dumbing down model of gaming to reach a lower standard of fly by gamers.
Which is what WOW did…
also in doing so it is rightly noted that this type of gamer is short lived then moves on to like drinking cheap beer and watching a bug zapper in the backyard.
So at the end of the matter you loose the real gamers and the ones you were reaching for has left as well.
Case in point go back to WOW and log in the numbers are quite small on a number of different servers.
Just beat sisters nasty army the dude had did not realize they where playable with the crap dex. I had
Belial TH/SS
Libby plasma pistal shield generator
10 man deathwing 2 assault cannons 2 chainfists
5 ravenwing 2 plasma guns
2 ten man tacticals with plasma cannon and plasma gun
9 company vets with plasma pistal and bolt pistal 4 attacks on charge they where in drop pod with the Libby
And venerable dread with CC and plasma cannon drop pod
The entire codex is overcosted and that can be explained by one thing, no play testing! If they don’t play test then they err on the side of caution and things are overcosted by 5, 10 or 20 points which imo happens alot in this codex.
I disagree that this codex has been aimed at new players, while many options have been simplified, a powerful codex is much easier for new players as it’s more forgiving of inexperienced gamers. I think new players will be discouraged by this codex as what you do on the table top has to be much cleaner and more precise which will lead new players to lose alot of battles and become discouraged.
GW invented the game to sell models so a naff codex only hurts their business as I for one will not buy another model for a long, long time. Normally a business would like to keep me as a customer as I spent 465 NZD on a one click launch bundle and that would have just been the start of my purchases, instead it is the end.
I think the codex being in the state that it is in can be explained by multiple factors which have been mentioned right across dark angles week on BoW. Such as this being Jeremy Vetocks first foray into 40K codex writing and GW have handed him too much responsibility with such an iconic chapter, GW pulling out of tournaments and therefore being less inclined to play test (this could possibly be done to lower costs as well), and pressure to meet release schedules meaning the codex was printed with known errors and a bilthe attempt to cover there backsides with errata was all ready prepared.
Not only did it take GW three weeks to get my purchases to me when they arrived the deathwing command squad came with exactly 4.5 bases. I’m absolutely disgusted by Games Workshop and the poor standards they are willing to accept in producing these products and I am going to give them a proper bollocking so perhaps I can finally receive everything that I have paid for!
How about the Gathering of Gamers? You can then shorten it to GG haha
I think stu hit the nail in the head in regards to go not putting out loads of errata it just isn’t profitable for them to put out constant updates unless they are necessary. In regards to them making sure they bring out models for everything I’m glad that’s the case as before you’d try to play in a gw store and you’d get told off if you used 3rd party products to represent miniatures that they didn’t have models for.
I’m also glad that there’s not much power creep in the latest codexes as my local club, unfortunately for me as Brian’s club sounds awesome doing campaigns, is filled with tournament players like andy and Darrel who just play the most powerful stuff they can and barely give a rats arse about theme or fluff. You just have to look around and see that virtually everyone is playing a matt ward codex of some description apart from the odd IG or chaos player. It’ll be interesting to see where gw go from here.
Oh dear God
The thought of BoW being bound by Warren’s ring!!
First and foremost, thanks for another entertaining Weekender! The show’s fun, and I think it’s one of the best additions to the BoW channel.
That said, it could’ve done without a lot of that GW talk. There was a whole week dedicated to their latest releases, so I’d rather prefer the weekend show to cover what’s been going on meanwhile in all the other areas of the hobby (which are quite extensive, by the way). Inviting guests is the perfect chance to stay open-minded that way.
Nevertheless, as a fan (and former 40k gamer) I followed your discussion with some interest. Of course, it all makes sense with the starter box introducing newbies to the game and feeding them up with the instant releases of CSM and DA codices as a first-stop option. Personally, I’m hesitant to dismiss the approach of reducing rules to a few essentials. It may seem boring in comparison with the more bulky stuff already out there. But reigning things back to an easier, more accessible format is not necessarily a bad turn in my book (if complementing that with price rises and poor production values is a different matter). After all, it’s not the rules that make the game but rather the players’ attitude and imagination.
Suggestion for a name:
as it is a TableTop Convention
TTC
as there is TableTop Nation and On-the-Table
But also The Templar Crusades
So I suggest TTC Con (UK)
Is anyone going to comment on Darrel’s violin skills? By the gods I really liked him before, but now……. he’s awesome if this is true!!!! By the way, is this whole wargaming activity something new. Or did it exist pre-BOW era? I mean you guys over in the UK are very active and very open minded. Off course this may be the case with other places too however nothing has come to my attention.
Which wargaming activity do you mean?
If he means ‘did being awesome exist before BoW’ … nope we invented that! 😉
However we cant take credit for the rest, 1000’s of amazing individuals have played their part in that.
Love the video guys but I think the perfect name was said right at the end. “Have a good laugh gaming”
Really good to see Brian on the show big fan of his stuff.
If its just for war hammer fantasy and 40k what about “HAMMER con” a Little obvious but then again being abstract isn’t going help either.
If its a general convention for all or most game systems then what about “Hero con”, “Command and con” or “War con” again very unimaginative but still.
For what its worth as well, not wanting jump on the band wagon but Warren is right about the Dark angels it lacks imagination and feels rushed or copy pasted then up and down here and there.
When the Grey knights came out everyone bought a dread knight no matter what army they had, ive seen them as conversions for pain engines,sentinels,dreadnoughts,the witch hunter engine things and even for stuff out of 40k like a matrix diarma where the dread knight was a APU fighting off the sentinels in Zion, this was because the model was awesome and a good foundation to do a conversion but more importantly GW spent the time thinking up something new, ofcourse it cost them alot to mould and produce and pay the designers etc but i bet the return on there efforts is huge, it captured the imagination of everyone where as these dark angels are just incredibly bland and boring. I duno what you guys think but people in my area thought the vengeance was a land speeder with a rail gun cut in half and positioned on the back just so it had abit of a edge and difference to it but nothing else really. As a whole i think its just so incredibly boring, this is coming from a dark angels player-ish (they were allies in a blood angels list). I think its so its an easy army to play in all fairness and more importantly to GW its the new beginners army.
If this weather keeps up “War con water” might be better suited! 😉
I have a slight issue with Dark Angels being updated now if it is the new beginners’ army..
The Dark Vengeance set is not that old. If I had bought a set at Christmas and got a codex, only to find that that it is immediately obsolete and need to throw another £30 down, happy is not what I would be.
23:50 Monday 28th and I’ve finally caught up with the weekends viewing. Just got Monday to watch, that’ll have to wait until tomorrow.
Great content guys BoW is growing by the day.
Id call your event DeathCon 1, to hell with the yanks, it sounds cool.
Not a 40K Gamer and not soon to be either so…meh.
Jeremy Vetock who ?
Does anyone still believe that GW are even the slightest bit interested in Game design ? Havent they said time and again that their a minitures company first and foremost ?
The impression all this is giving me is that 40K is an outdated and broken system full of tedious rule mineing and is only popular because it was popular, go figure.
Convension name – Wargamers Anonymous
I have had a look at Carnevale and liked the look of the mini’s, but never really got into it. I am tempted to go to TTN and have a look and see if I can pick up some rules and gaming tactics for it. Always like new games if they have that special something to them.
Another great Weekenders, lots of laughs and as you guys said, lots of conversation starters.
How about “Bring it On”
Really love these rants! Can we do a betrayal week???? Would like to have a good look over the book before the betrayal weekend.
truly a great video this one 😀 you guys should make more of these, wouldn’t mind if they were longer either 😉
And the Australian Dreadball Regional??? 😉
PrimerCon (Figure since it’s hobby oriented.)