40K Charted: The Emperor Part Two – The Timeline Of The Imperium
December 14, 2015 by warzan
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The men of iron remind me of the chaos androids from Space Crusade. That would finally give them a canon grounding in the universe.
Hi so the old ones created the webway the eldar expanded it and chaos demons can brake into it where it has been weakened also the eldar don’t even know how it was made any more
Excellent content! Can’t wait for the next episode! Time to dust off some of my 40k…
I’m kinda disappointed that you keep spoilering my life.
A part from that, great job.
ALL HAIL THE EMPEROR! lol
Glad you could turn up btw 🙂
I’m a little freaked out now LOL
Why freaking out for something that you have demanded?
Hello folks, great show guys. Now over the years of gaming we have talked a hell of a lot on this story of the Emperor and the golden throne, I had heard the idea that in trying to make a portal into the webway on or near earth that when Horus was killed the chaos gods broke through the portal that the Emperor had made. So to save it all, the guy is put on the throne to keep the chaos gods from coming through to the sol system.
the webway project drew him away but it was Magnus that led to the chamber being overrun with daemons – by drawing on the power of Tzeench he was able to get his message to earth but at the same time shattered the barriers protecting the emperor’s project. Custodian Guard fight off the daemon horde in what is essentially the emperors basement in the Imperial Palace – cool stuff!!
It was when Magnus broke the wards of the webway to warn the Emperor about Horus that Chaos tried to flood into the Imperial Palace. From this point on the Emperor had to stay on the Golden Throne to keep the forces of Chaos at bay. When he confronts Horus, Malcador takes his place and is eventually disintegrated before the Emperor is placed back on it again.
The original intention was for Magnus to sit on the Golden Throne after the Emperor had finished doing whatever he was doing but he kind of mucked that up.
Lol..I was actually considering to open up a second account just for this reaction from you.
Good to see the @emperor is already on board (only 11 posts so far tho..tut tut).
Yet again a fabulous show today, a true lesson in ‘history’.
And this is exactly what makes 40k so special. Apart from LotR I do not know anything SciFi/ Fantasy with a background story like this.
Roll on next Monday!
Wow, the Emperor himself! How’s it going since you’ve got the speech to text device? 😀
Still work in progress.
As you can see there are some problem between A part and apart.
Oh, I see so maybe let’s talk about the little son of yours… Horus? 😛
Luna is pretty cool, home to billions of people living in underground hive cities – big focus on research and development (low gravity makes it an interesting place to work). Being earth’s largest satellite it’s also home to a kick ass naval base and massive defensive works for blowing apart meteors of enemy space ships, top stuff!! (All hail the immortal @emperor btw)
Really liking the show so far, so many interesting details 😀
STC Devices were basically what they are trying to produce now, they are almost 3D printer type tech but an actual forge that can make whatever it is asked to from a list of Standard Templates on its database, most likely in its original form it would have been able to produce another functioning STC device. They have a list of standard, no frills, reliable gear that can be produced from nearly any raw material, making them great for colonies. As the colonies expanded and became towns, then cities, etc, the STCs would have maybe been cast aside as industries grew to mass produce new fancier, less utilitarian designs. What the Imperium wants now is to find these machines, which are usually found in poor condition to try and extract the database designs in its “hard drive”. Think computer forensics on a 25,000 year old hard drive using tech less sophisticated than the computer you are looking at investigating….Snippets and fragments of STC templates are sometimes found, such as Arkhan Land’s Speeder and Raider, or the Rh1no transport vehicle. Sometimes it is varients of these STC templates that are found that allow modifications to the standard vehicle/equipment. But all of these are fragmentary at best, and the dream of finding a fully functioning STC (that hasn’t been corrupted by Chaos as some have in BL novels) to use to produce more of the actual STC machines is very unlikely. Most likely they will find a corrupt part file here and there which they will add to their database, but these are SO rare they will never be able to complete it.
The human psyker gene is a hypothesis that has flown around a lot, from the background of the Old Ones before they disappeared. The old ones created the younger races (not Necrons, not Tau) to perform certain tasks for them and to help them in the giht against the C’Tan, and the evolution of each species was supposed to be guided and looked after to each grow into a role in the galaxy. The Eldar were the seers, they are powerful psykers but not in a destructive way, they were to be more guides that show the way, the Kroork were a brutal warlike race who’s sole purpose were to be the Old Ones footsoldiers, they live for fighting and don’t fear death. Humans were to be the nuclear weapon. Compared to eldar they were short lived and brittle, but their destructive psychic abilities far outclass anything the eldar can muster, but they lack the longevity to perfect it’s use, they are glass hammers in the fight against Chaos and the C’Tan.
Eye of Terror and Slaanesh were WELL after the Dark Age of Tech, it only happened just prior to the Emperors expansion from the Solar System. Space travel was made impossible by slaanesh gestating, the birth of slaanesh made space travel possible again, imagine a warp “big bang”, sending a shockwave through the warp blowing away and dissipating the turmoil in the warp.
Luna became a space station, literally they turn the moon into an armed fortress. In the Garro story he is taken to Luna to be imprisoned, then eventually offered his place in the proto-inquisition.
Primarchs were created first with plans to create their armies, he took the geneseed of the Primarchs and developed the process to make marines. It has been hinted at all over the place with what happens to the the 2 missing legions. One of those is that Russ was sent out to murder them. Some HH fluff states that some of the missing legions were spread throughout the Ultramarines, but that was speculation by a Word Bearer. It is even mentioned in a story of Ullanor that they actually found the 2 missing primarchs during the reconquest, but one of the primarchs shuts the others up with a “we don’t talk about them”.
The Council of Nikaea (interestingly mirroring the name of the Council of Nicaea in 325AD that called all the bishops together to solidify the beliefs and doctrines of christianity into a single form) was not a battle. Nikaea was a planet chosen to host the Council. After the corruption of the warp and accusations of sorcery by Leman Russ against the Thousand Sons and Magnus, the Sigilite convened a council in the name of the emperor to discuss the future of psykers in the legions. As the powers of chaos became more evident it was seem that librarians used similar powers to those used by corrupt enemies, so the primarchs present and the Emperor decide that psychics should not be used. It is made Imperial Decree that the librarians should be closed down and the Librarian Battle brothers cease using their powers and join the normal ranks under pain of death. After this Magnus got in a huff and used his powers to warn the Emperor of Horus’s betrayal, but all it got him was Leman Russ sent to Prospero to kill him.
Sanguinius was also the greatest fighter, literally Horus states the only person that could beat him was Sanguinius, and Horus said Sanguinius should have been Warmaster….the mutation I think stopped him, that and Horus was the first son recovered.
In the HH novel where Magnus uses his covens to Astral Project through the warp he comes to the webway at one point, and I believe it is said a hugely powerful entity aids Magnus in breaching the tunnel in warp space, allowing Magnus to project into the Emperors throne room to warn him about Horus. Unfortunately by doing this it allows daemons to spill into the warp that threaten to over run Terra via the webway portal in the throne room, that is controlled by the golden throne. After this breach it is required that a massively powerful psyker (ie the Emperor) sit on the throne to keep the gate sealed and protect earth from hordes of gribblies. Unfortunately the Emperor is the only person capable of doing this for any significant length of time, with I think it is only Malcador being able to take over for a short time. This is why the Emperor is massively pissed at Magnus, because now Magnus has screwed up humanities hope of non warp space travel but he has also shackled the emperor to his throne room. The significance of Ullanor is hinted that he may have recovered some artifact from the planet that is the final piece he needed to work on his project.
The golden throne and astronomicon are 2 separate entities. The Astronomicon is a choir of psykers that are chosen to sacrifice themselves to ensure the continuation of the Imperium and is located in the himalayas as a part of the Emperors palace. In the time of the great crusade it was powered by hundreds of psykers a day, consuming their life force until nothing remained and they were replaced. The golden throne is the Emperors control module to the webway and later his life support system that keeps him alive by absorbing the psychic lifeforce of thousands of psykers per day.
And finally the Old Ones created the webway with the view to not having to travel via the warp, the eldar just rediscovered it!
Loving this series @warzan, getting my juices flowing for 40k again!
Again I apologise for the MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT. We all get carried away with what we love, I’d love to sit and have a beer with these two and discuss the history, its so rich and deep you can get lost for hours down individual conspiracy theories!
I found your wall of text very informative. Thank you for posting it.
Yep! Great to have all that extra Info Lotan2012! 40k really does have such a vast and rich background, and for me, it is the background that keeps me in the hobby!
yes as @lotan2012 says the imperial fists take Garro down to the moon and he is told that it is full of tunnels and factory’s and shipyards to keep the empire going near the end of the flight of the Eisenstein.
Fascinating series. Despite having read dozens of the books, I’m learning a lot here.
To one of the early points in the video, I’d often thought of the film Event Horizon as giving an idea of what goes on travelling the Warp without a Gellar Field.
If I’m not completely mis-remembering it, I’m sure the writers for Event Horizon cited the Warp as an influence when they were making the movie.
Aj and Warran..
again another great program
Played this game for years, read books and info but lol never put them together like you’s are doing.
Find it much better listening too and understand information this way,
on another note (sad face) time will be given over to my daughter on her return of the tv control over Christmas period..
So hugs too all at Beasts of War, hope to pop in when ever possible to the program but at least, have all info coming to my phone.
Aj and Warran..
again another great program
Played this game for years, read books and info but lol never put them together like you’s are doing.
Find it much better listening too and understand information this way,
on another note (sad face) time will be given over to my daughter on her return of the tv control over Christmas period..
So hugs too all at Beasts of War, hope to pop in when ever possible to the program but at least, have all info coming to my phone, via e-mail.
From 2061
“ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS—EXCEPT EUROPA
ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE”.
Yes it was Europa
great show guys.
Sure it mentions in ‘The First Heretic’ HH Novel that Chaos was responsible for the scattering of the Primark’s – a in Vision given to Lorgar, when investigating the boundaries of Warp Space (from a Chaos source though, so who knows).
Terrific show gentlemen. It’s making Mondays worthwhile!
had to stop watching at Nikaea, sorry guys 🙁
Sorry I don’t follow… was there an issue?
It was a council, where everyone sat down and talked, not a battle…
Great show and great comments. Not bad Warren but it did take you 21 mins and 58 secs. to slip from STC’s to STD’s I was expecting the change a lot quicker!!!
Great series so far.
As someone who has no interest in modern 40k gaming I’m still drawn to the fluff.
I might have to raise a Legion for Epic 40k, I’m drawn to the 1000 sons too!
Also, I’m hoping in the pipe line, a good in depth look at the other races, and as a Green skin at heart would love to hear your thoughts and expand on Ork Kulture! The 6 clans, their Gods, and a look at how GWS have changed the race over the years.
Ere we go! rogue trader book we a great resource if you can track one down.
Would like to know more about Eldar too, as a race I’ve never been so interested in (they aren’t/were never green) I actually don’t know much about them.
keep up the good work.
PS – Dare I say I did have a look at 40k Thousand Sons on the GW website. Maybe just to paint…
Thanks for a great series!
Great show again!
I can’t for the life of remember in which Horus Heresy books the fate of the two missing legions was hinted at, but I do remember that they were only ever talked about by the astartes in hushed tones, and that befell them was terrible. But what makes it seem quite apparent as to their fate, is how the Space Wolves are known as legion killers, that the Emperor sent them to destroy the Thousand Sons, and that it wasn’t the first time they had been sent to do so – they had killed brother marines before.
So something went wrong with those two legions, and the Wolves were sent in to wipe them out.
I”m trying to think which books I had read those hints in, and I can only say it was probably in the the books relating to Prospero (possibly Prospero Burns where the Wolves are sent in and are focused on more), perhaps the somewhere in the first three books where the story stars. But those were the main things that sank in about the mysterious two legions.
++++++Below is a spoiler to the Alpha Legion book Legion!++++++
While 20 Primarchs were created, the twentieth turned out to be twins Alpharius and Omegon, making 21 Primarchs. Alpharius was the main one in charge, his brother the leader of infiltration squads etc and wore darker armour. The legionnaires bore striking resemblances to the Primarch twins, and in fact the Primarchs were not much bigger than their astartes son’s. Being a legion based on infiltration and secrecy, the marines would sometimes pretend to be Alpharius when needed. Indeed, the existence of Omegon was kept secret from the other legions too.
The legion had a pivotal point in their history where they were contacted by The Cabal (as I think they were called) who were a collection of strange aliens, whose spokesperson was a bleedin’ Eldar!. As they foresaw the possible future, Alpharius is told that if they fight to help the Emperor win the Heresy, all mankind will be doomed to 10, 000 years of misery; the 40K existence we know today, with Chaos ruling supreme. However, if they side with Horus, then humanity will fall and with it the food that Chaos needs to exist, and so Mankind must be destroyed in order to defeat Chaos and for the galaxy/universe to be at peace.
Which is a bloody heavy going dilemma!
And it makes them a very interesting legion, since all their actions after that encounter with the Cabal, becoming chaos marines in 40K, that means then that really they are the good guys.
Or perhaps the Cabal is lying to them… Then again, they were right about the 10, 000 years of grim darkness… Read the book Legion, it’s awesome lol.
+++++Spoiler Over. End of Line+++++++
Great show again guys, this is why I love 40K and it’s background. 🙂
‘The Lightning Tower’ is one of the stories where the other two Primarchs are mentioned. There were statues of all the Primarchs in the Imperial Palace on Terra, but the plinths where the missing two once were are now empty.
So they were discovered, joined to their Legions, and took part in the Great Crusade, but were eliminated and expunged before the Heresy era.
As someone also mentioned, it’s hinted that some of their Legionnaires were absorbed into the Ultramarines, which explains why they are such a disproportionately large Legion by the Heresy era…
Welli read in the Horus Heresy that the moon is basicly a Prison-Labratory-Thing. And also a base for the Sororitas I think. It should be in the book “Cruiser Iron Fist” or something like this.
Also, itt is a fortress where a part of the imperial fist is based, if I´m not mistaken