Space Wolves Are Goin’ Airbourne With Stormfang Flyer
July 21, 2014 by brennon
The Space Wolves of Games Workshop's Warhammer 40,000 are heading into the skies with their new Stormfang Flyer that has practically JUST this minute hit the internet as a leak...
The rules for this beast, that looks a lot like the assault craft used by Space Marines for boarding actions, are going to be in this White Dwarf and will no doubt divulge if this thing is simply for gunning things down or if it will transport Space Wolves as well. It does look a lot like the board craft as I mentioned before so one hopes so.
Of course I imagine the rules for this will leak before the weekend so don't worry too much about it!
What do you think?
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OMG, that is the ugliest flyer I’ve ever seen: a sea can with utterly useless vestigial wings. Note how the lower turbines are blocked by what might be missile racks lol. Truly designed by a committee.
Good, good, let the hate flow through you…
Now THAT was funny.
Haters gonna hate lol 😉
The only time comments get over 100 (or even 50…) is if BoW is giving away a prize or there is an article on a GW product… I love our hobby and the extremes we can achieve. 😀
you can build more streamlined flyers with lego bricks, even the duplo kind
it was styled after the brick of cash bills needed to buy it?
That design is so bad that I could not help but to face palm when I first saw it.
Am I the only person who thinks this is awesome and fits in with the space wolves?
It’s a big brutish beast that looks just as capable of bashing stuff in the head as firing rockets at it.
After all, it is just a game and the fluff is all over-the-top sci-fi stuff with disruptor fields and teleportation – so why couldn’t this fly? It’s future science, that’s all we need to know lol.
No I love it too!
A flying longship! And armed to the teeth.
Looks like one of the Cestus Assault Ram concept sketches. I’d have liked the cockpit a little further forward but I’ll take it. The weapons array looks like it could handle itself and safely deliver her cargo to the thick of the fighting
Because the fluff specifically says it can’t, that’s why. The Imperium has very low tech. In fact the idea that the Dark Angels somehow have a Jet Bike is a miracle.
If you’re going to start trying to rationalise Imperium tech @poosh , then why is it they can’t build a jet bike, but they can build a landspeeder?
Likely it’s that they can’t build anymore small enough crav engine and spare parts for it that would be required for jet bike while they can make crav engine and spare parts for it that’s proper size for Land Speeder. Different sized vehicle needs different sized engine I can assume that crav technology is no different in that.
Exactly what I was thinking. Imperials can only make big grav engines, not miniature ones. Having said that, there’s plenty of servo skulls floating around so maybe we should just accept that they can make what they know how to make.
Tech so low that if you fire a rocket the back blast will shut down the lower turbine, which is already starved for intake. Hmmm… why don’t we put the missiles/rockets on hard points on the wing stubs, which obviously have nothing to do with aerodynamic performance? Duh. Why make the tech unlikely when you can make it stupid.
I was trying to think what this reminded me of. Then it hit me. This is my $30 brick idea from a while back! Here was my original post:
“If GW took your average home construction sixty-cent fired red brick, 2 1/4″ tall x 8″ long x 3 5/8″, and put their logo on it, then amped it up with sufficient fluff, they could probably sell it for $30.00. The GW community would look upon it with awe, debating the pro’s and con’s of the new brick, and wondering if they could afford one. Those who bought the previous flawed brick for $15.00, which was a ¼” smaller, would lament the now-useless masonry in their possession, and would discard their bricks, as would their friends. Old bricks, after all, are incompatible with new bricks.
And GW would tell everyone that this time their brick is flawless, even though the previous six versions of the brick they made were out of square, inconsistent with previous bricks, and crumbled under scrutiny. Who wants an old brick like that when you can have a new perfect brick? And you’ll never ever need another… not even after two years.
Given the modular nature of the brick, many would daydream about the purchase of multiple bricks to perhaps build a stellar marine compound, or whatever, and GW could well box three of these for $80.00 for their loyal and grateful gamers who have never heard of sixty-cent fired bricks. And of course, the new brick would have enough appeal to be labeled as a strategy brick, whereas the old brick was not.”
But this is a bargain. GW has made the brick fly, and if the information on here is correct, it will be a bargain at $20 instead of my proposed $30!.
Total elitist crap. I couldn’t give a toss whether you like this or not. That also goes got any other miniature, rule book or any other product by any company, but when you sink to the level of taking the piss out of a company’s customers @poosh you just come across as an idiot.
Very sorry @poosh I typed your name in error in that last post. I of course meant @cpauls1 . My sincere apologies.
Not elitist at all, and obviously you do care.
My point is, if we do not hold companies like GW to a higher standard they will continue to pump out garbage designed on a cocktail napkin on a three-martini lunch. Watching people debate the fluff so they can somehow shoehorn it into a bad design is certainly entertaining, but I’d much rather see people get a pair and let GW know that they need to produce a better product.
The loyalty of GW customers is unfathomable, the envy of other game companies, and totally undeserved.
No really. I absolutely do not care whether you like this product or not. What annoys me is that you cannot admit that this is a matter of taste and that some people might actually like it. Instead @cspaul1 you assume that because you don’t like it then the people who do must be idiots rather than just accepting that different people like different things.
You’re not listening again…
No again you’re just assuming that the entire world secretly agrees with you. Debating the fluff to shoehorn in a bad design? No, I’m debating fluff to shoehorn in a design that I really, really like.
As for elitism; you’re basically accusing GW customers of being undiscerning idiots willing to buy any old crap. Given that you are effectively insulting the players of the largest sci fi wargame, that seems to be the very definition of elitism. Oh if only they could all be as clever as you and see the light!
The reality is that GW customers are people who like GW products. End of story. It’s ok to not like GW, just don’t be a dick about it.
I’m entitled to my opinion as well. If you’re going to consistently position yourself on the wrong end of a non-argument, and end it with a personal attack you should rethink your comments.
Yeah that’s right, you can be an elitist jerk and insult every GW customer, then get all hurt when somebody calls you a mean word. That is your right.
I’m not at all offended. I was referring to your dignity.
actually there is a perfectly legit reason for all of that, albeit slightly convenient: they know how to build landspeeders from the Standard Template thingies, but they have lost the more advanced jetbikes etc.
GW *DID* work this stuff out. Once upon a time.
They even have a perfectly good reason for why the Imperium doesn’t use robots or AI (basically Terminator happened).
Once upon a time the Imperium did have “jet cycles” back in first edition.
Go on then Poosh enlighten us with your specific reference in the fluff that says that this flyer could not fly compared to a caestus assault ram that is still in active service and is used by the Space Wolves.
The Imperium do not have tech that allows them to avoid aerodynamics and all gravity, I’ve always assumed the Tau and Eldar do, and everyone else.
Being able to skim across the land a few meters is the best the Imperium can do. They cannot have a heavy object fly around half the planet doing somersaults like a mofo like most can. This is because the Imperium is in a tech dark age, and for good reasons. This is also why the Tau are expanding so fast, they are not bound by the same fears.
The Imperium largely goes on the blueprints for tech and rarely deviates. It never creates NEW tech, and if old tech is lost then it’s lost (like Imperial Jetbikes). Most of the tech priests etc only know by rote how to maintain tech, they don’t *understand* it in the manner a true engineer does. This is for a host of reasons.
The many writers of GW totes worked this sh*t out. It’s all out there more or less. There IS a reason for all of this. Anything coming into an atmosphere must obey basically the same rules we’re playing for in our century. They no longer have the tech to bypass those rules, the way the Tau, Necrons can.
The Caestus Assault Ram is used, am I not right, for spaaaaaaaaaaace combat. All it needs are thrusters etc. But at any rate, I assume it has anti-grav tech and is also aerodynamic which is basically why people are saying the wolf stuff can’t fly. Sure, if we suspend our disbelief then the Wolftub becomes aerodynamic but a lot of us wish GW would step up to the plate and put more thought in.
Could be wrong, but fairly sure one is not…
I agree with you, this needs a lot of fluff to make sense as to why it’s designed the way it is. Even the older Space Marine flyers make some sense, some were VOTL’s, but for this, there are too many things in the way. Soon as it managed to take off it would droop to the bottom and start taking a nose dive due to the front.
The Caestus Assault Ram is mainly used for space boarding and designed for direct impact with another ship, so it’s design makes sense. The new Stormfang Flyer is a gunship and not built like the other gunships. Looks more like it’s supposed to be mainly a landing craft first and than take off back into space because on a planet it would just suck for it’s maneuverability unless it just sits there and guns enemies down from a stationary position.
Even page 143 of the Badab War Part II states that most prefer to use the Thunderhawk utilitarian abilities and that the Caestus Assault Ram doesn’t work too well in planetary battle. The same could be said with this new gunship.
I like it 🙂
What people seem to miss is it appears to be a variation (read Space Wolves version) of a Caestus Assault Ram, so it’s therefore designed for void warfare / boarding assaults, not flying around in the atmosphere
But then why does it have intake turbines? Is that for the widely spaced hydrogen molecules in space?
Aircon…
lol
No.
I think it looks great.
It looks like the scifi version of a beach assault boat. Almost longboat esque.
Plus it is blunt and brutish. Pure Space Wolf.
Nope I love it too. Very 40k Imperium, if you ask me. In fact I think it will be the most sensible looking thing in a SW army…;-P
Oh GW you’re funny.
i’m thinking a small battle barge in design, suits the wolves
Exactly!
So that’s what he meant by 12% of a plan …
From flying toasters to flying shoeboxes. GW will cover all your flying box needs!
hey if you give it a pistol grip and remove the mini wings it kinda looks like a bolt postol
That is incredibly ugly and I like it 🙂
GW…. what happened to you?
i like it too. I wouldn’t imagine space wolves with a sleek flyer. so I suits them fine. cant wait to see the rules.
Well its not their worst model they made, but it is still a piss poor attempt at the cestus assault ram
I think this perfectly fits SM aesthetic. All SM vehicles are boxy and crude looking. It’s all about function rather than form. After all none of the flyers in 40k really look that aerodynamic and most of their stuff breaks currently known pysics.
I’m thinking I might remove the wolfy details and skulls and stick some shields on the side like it’s a longboat.
It looks like a reject from a Village Idiot’s Lego Construction competition
Hey, village idiot’s have feelings you know! My Lego construction rejects have passion and… Lego palm trees. I did my best OK 🙁
Huh, I didn’t realise GW were making footwear now.
Oh, wait..
I wonder if that dumb “cant teleport” thing will be present in the upcoming wolfdex.
According to current rumours it’s gone
Well done on a good looking flyer GW. I actually quite like it, just my personal taste. What I don’t like is seeing people slagging off the company for releasing something that isn’t to their taste, some people like it, some people don’t, GW have done nothing wrong here.
I hope it is a strong assault vehicle, as a Blood Angel player the game is ever leaning more towards shooty armies like Tau and making it more difficult for armies that love melee fighting.
I think what they’re trying to do is give across that sort of WW2 landing craft vibe.
If it’s based on some STC that has recently been discovered with like proper sci-fi grav engines that make it fly like a TIE FIGHTER then that’s fine. It’s functional and crude: but it can afford to be.
I think that’s the point – Imperial technology is all over the place; there really is no such thing as a consistent base level of Imperial tech because each design tends to be lifted directly from – or adapted from – an STC. Add to this the way that Standard Templates seem to have been created over a significant period of time by human cultures of differing levels of technical expertise and you get a real mish mash.
While it is very likely that the Mechanicus of the 41st Millennium could build or even mass produce a Tie Fighter style anti-grav engine if they wanted to (and, if you believe some of the theories, wouldn’t actually need an STC to do it, no actually being as dependent on the things as they choose to appear to be, but finding it useful to play up the mythologisation of technology to bolster their monopoly on high technology) they probably wouldn’t share it with the rest of the Imperium just like that, preferring to garner concessions on things like territory or mineral extraction rights.
If these fliers are supposed to be based on STC designs, then it really is pot luck when it comes to their level of technological advancement – if the base STC design is sufficiently intact and comes from an advanced era, than a spangly sci fi super engine/grave plate array is certainly on the cards, but the technology probably couldn’t be transferred readily to any other platform, and certainly not without extensive assistance from the Adeptus Mechanicus, which would of course come with a price tag.
As for the weirdness of the design in general, that really is just an aspect of the 40k background. Practical design is always sacrificed for considerations like appeasing the notional demands of the Omnissiah or the Machine Spirit of the particular peice of technology, and it is hinted that Imperial technology would be a darn sight more effective if all that was done away with.
is it all a tad ridiculous? Yes, but then agains so are psychic powers, high tech military fortmations that still insist on using swords of all things, as well as dimensions made of human emotions and the gods and daemons that inhabit them.
is it even possible to be a 40k fan (or a fan of almost any SF or fantasy IPs for that matter) without a fairly high tolerance for ridiculousness?
Imo, there is only one of those aspects that is truly ridiculous; fixation for melee combat in a sci-fi setting .. sure other settings have it as well but 40k is absolutely fixated with it. The almighty power of close combat disables the shooting power of that power armour mounted heavy bolter, and all because a grot with a knife came too close. Imo, 40k have way too many technical marvels in its universe to ever justify melee expertise outside guerilla operations. Despite the “dark age of technology” i still dont think GW has explained the melee fixation well enough. It should be a wake up call to better train the lousy shots of the 41st millenium to prevent anyone from getting close enough for hand to hand combat. Atleast remove the locked in combat rule so that shooty units can back off and continue firing. There is nothing more ridiculous than seeing a bunch of heavy fire power/armour “locked” in medieval melee.
I think the novels do that wonderfully actually.
Remember we do not live in the “power armour / mech age” yet. When we do, things will be different … possibly.
Power Armour is simply too advanced for most basic ballistic weapons to deal with. Only option is to Thunder Hammer it.
Thing is they spent time developing a thunder hammer in the first place :p instead of creating a ranged weapon that can do the same thing.
I actually really like it. Just hope I can work it into my Dark Angels army, or at least some version of vanilla Marines so that I won’t have to deal with the other, more “chibi” Space Marine flyers.
That my friend is where conversion work comes in. Its part of the true fun of the game 🙂
Personally I don’t like it but I can see how it fits with the Viking puppy esthetic. Also as I play Thousand Sons and would never play the Emperor’s lap dogs, I don’t have to worry about ever getting one.
ALL NEW SPACE WOLF FLYER!!!
No one cares what anyone thinks about the space brick, but it sure is source for hot debate and general butthurtness.
..at this point we should all just be grateful it’s not a giant flying wolf with f*cking wings and a converted drop-pod sticking out of its ass.
A drop pod up the ass is stupid .. it would leave no room for the spinning tail in the back that works to reduce the labour for the marines working in the furnace.
Now that I’d buy for a dollar!
Probably one of the ugliest models GW have let out the doors, the transport version looks slightly better but it’s still butt ugly.
On a more positive note : “Full rules inside”…
Something other companies have been doing for ages already .. GW must be desperate to include those “free”
GW always used to include rules in White Dwarf for new releases back in the day and it’s one of the things that helped draw me into the background further, so at least they’re doing it again, though sadly in a format I don’t care for 🙁
GW used to inlcude printed cards at one point…
Though print media is pretty hard, so you know, such is life.
Doesn’t look too bad, the Stormraven is an uglier piece of kit in my opinion. Definitely growing on me, looking forward to seeing what the community do with it in regards to conversions and eye catching paint jobs.
As a Sci-Fi vehicle of much death dealing I think it looks the part 🙂
anyone see the very WWII US landing craft look about it. Its basically a Normandy landing craft with wings and a few jets to get it there.
i actually quite like it, it has that assaulting arrogance about it. You know the get out the f*%$ out of my way im a space wolf in terminator army feel which no one does quite like a well finished space wolf army. think of three of these flying down the table, wolf guard charging out = anyway i think that would be cool
the gun sticking out the front looks a bit silly, id change that.
The difference with that idea is that the Normandy landing craft weren’t required to fly through the air! 🙂 But yes, it’s an interesting point to note that presumably the designers in the 41st millenium haven’t yet scaled the heady heights of the design process used in the Sopwith Camel.
Even someone who knows very little about engineering will take one look at that and know intrinsically that it would stand absolutely zero chance of flying through an atmosphere. It’s almost like that High Elf eagle flier from a while back, again you look at it and know that there would be a whiplash affect that would cast the elves high into the air and to their deaths from the back of it. Even though these things are based in fantastical universes there is still such a thing as ‘suspension of disbelief’, and while 40k brands itself as a Science Fiction then releases such as this will continue to be ridiculed for their ridiculous, Mary Rose-esque conception of basic mechanical engineering and physics.
I suppose it’s quite possible however that it is powered by the prayers of the screaming bald men inside, and if that is the case then I retracy my comment above. 🙂
(whispers and adjusts flak armour) Yeah I actually quite like it as well…
I know I should know better, but physics be damned – I also don’t think every model has to look ‘beautiful’, it’s not as if the Imperium (as a military machine at any rate), especially the Space Wolves, care for high art all that much and its other designs have always been based on some form of box – it’s better than the Storm Talon/Raven at any rate. Forgeworld offer great exceptions of a by-gone age and in a perfect world I’d have them design everything but this genuinely says ‘Space Wolf’ to me – like a ‘flyer’ on Beer-roids.
Hell, I’d be terrified if I saw these things actually moving, at speed, towards me. I just hope the underside has some jets or other techy know-wots we can’t see or those plates are anti-grav somehow, otherwise it makes no sense at all, as opposed to little sense right now 🙂
I was hoping the designer of the Taurox had been canned. Instead, he’s apparently been promoted.
It’ll do for the Space Puppies. Not really my thing but then again I don’t sup Mild.
I actually quite like it
If we are going to mention is pointless wings then we should refer back to all of the pointless wings attached to star wars craft, wings just add to the point of this thing looking like it belongs in the air nothing more
The x-wing’s wings are not pointless as it flies in an atmosphere and they also serve as weapon mounts. Apparently an X-Wing is pretty dodgy flying in an atmosphere. That being said, people are perfectly right to point out faults in movies.
People were not saying the wings were pointless, but rather they were too small and inappropriately placed.
I hate to be ‘that guy’, but Maxwelledison is correct; the wings on an X-Wing provide no lift whatsoever in atmospheric flight.
Lift is generated by the flow of air over the top surface having to travel further than the flow of air under the lower surface and that flow is determined by the shape of the wing. That creates an area of lower pressure and therefore ‘lift’.
‘Thrust’ on the other hand is an entirely different set of rules which doesn’t require wing surface at all for lift.
Totally agree about them serving as weapon mounts and very iconic they are too 🙂
Also with a little work it could almost resemble a viper from battlestar galactica
@cspauls1
“continue to pump out garbage designed on a cocktail napkin on a three-martini lunch”
This is subjective. Which makes the preceding statement:-
“if we do not hold companies like GW to a higher standard”
sound ridiculous. Apart from your taste you are talking about a company who releases products that can be bought or not bought. It is not your local government posting one of these through your door paid for by your taxes.
So, in short, the sensible person’s response is “I do not like it, I won’t be buying it”.
Actually lack of aerodynamics is a critical objective claim to make. Usually people will forgive this sin if the model is sufficiently awesome – but all this is is a flying brick. So it might as well have been aerodynamic in some manner to make up for the lack of flair.
“Actually lack of aerodynamics is a critical objective claim to make”
Not in a game it’s not. A fictional game. A fictional game set 40,000 years in future.
People that spend time trying to “objectify” this kind of crap have way too much time on their hands.
Evidently not nearly as much as those who fail to justify it.
Another evidence that people that try to justify it are actually once with too much time on they hands is that they could had just accepted opposing opinions and let it be instead of making big deal about it. But of course in they minds they are only once that are right and they need to try to prove it no matter what. So they made big deal about it and things escalated way they did.
Justify what?
What on earth are you talking about mecha82?
My point is that this product is effectively art and such subject to subjectiveness. Hence there are only two things to say about it “I like it” and “I don’t like it”. You can of course give your reason as to why *you* don’t like it and so the debate begins.
What I’m saying is irrational is to claim that the model can only be *disliked* because the model is “wrong” according to the laws of “physics or design principles and that people that like it are clearly “wrong”. If we were about to board it in real life I would certainly be apprehensive of it’s aerodynamic qualities. But in a science fiction environment strict adherence to the laws of physics is not my preference……. *and this is the difference*
Your opinion and the other 2 up here claiming it is objectively *bad* is based on your *preference* for things that follow the laws of physics more closely. ……..Thus. It. Is. Subjective.
I can understand why people don’t like it. But I don’t for minute claim that there is a universal law that saws they are wrong.
I actually really like this flier. I mean, it has a very blocky shape but I think you have to understand its purpose and once you do that it makes sense.
Why I think its good? It’s essentially a space-age version of this [img
[/img] Which for Space wolves CqC nature makes perfect sense. This is essentially a fast moving landing vehicle, if it were in gothic the brick-like exit part would likely smash into the side of an enemy ship and let them all out rampaging into combat.
In 40K terms I could see it slamming down skidding across the ground before letting down the door and sending a bunch of angry space vikings at you. Of course I doubt this will have to stop or have any such scenic landing / unloading rules because that would be a bit of a nerf to it. But for all intents and purposes I think it makes sense and while being quite ugly is a nice refreshing change from the more aerodynamic pretty attempts at fliers. Leave those to the eldar and Tau, space marines of any kind, more so the space wolves aren’t about looking good its about getting the job done.
Ugh Link fail-
You know aerodynamics isn’t about “looking pretty” right …
I don’t mind the actual model ha ha. It’s functional as a transport at least. I don’t know why GW didn’t design it so the pilot and engines etc + basic weapons were on a fixed part on top, and the undercarriage was detachable and made so you could interchange it between troop transport / and gun system.
Agreed. With aerodynamics it’s form that brings function. Modern jets are not sleek in order to look nice but to give them function of being able to fly in atmosphere fast speed. People that claim that it’s all about function and not form when it comes to this model don’t clearly know what they are talking about.
As much as I like games from GW I don’t get whole cult like thinking from GW fanboys that everything that GW makes and does is perfect and no one is allowed to dislike or criticize it. Which is why I have started to call them GW cultists instead of GW fanboys.
I think these “fanboys” (hate that word) are few and far between. I like a lot that GW do and I dislike other stuff. Some things I absolutely hate (orks), and have said so publicly on BoW many times.
Where I and others get annoyed is when not liking a model turns into ridiculing the people who do. We all have every right to like or not like any product, but we don’t have a right to tell other people that their subjective opinion is wrong. We especially don’t have a right to insult people (such as calling them fanboys) simply because their taste is different from ours.
Unfortunately, pointing this out to some of the small number of trolls on BoW (because trolls is what these people are), in their mind turns into you getting all offended cos they criticised GW. That is so far from the reality that it is almost laughable.
You do tend to blow things out of proportion, yes
In other words when some one calls you with term that you don’t like it’s wrong while it’s right when you do so to some one else. There is double standard in here. If I am not mistaken you was one who called cspauls1 elitist. Besides these GW cultists (I am not saying that you would be one) have been attacking those that don’t like Stormfang’s design and trying to defend that thing to validate they own opinion as only right one. If that is not forcing once opinion to others then I don’t know what else to call it.
I didn’t call anyone elitist, I called what he said elitist. That’s really not the same thing. We all say stupid things sometimes, that does not make us stupid, it just makes that thing we just said stupid. Same with elitism. It’s an important distinction and one we have to make if we can ever have any kind of constructive debate.
You are making no distinction between people discussing the validity of a statement and trying to force ones opinion on somebody else. Try to convince somebody you are right by a reasoned argument (which is what all this discussion about aerodynamics and Imperial tech) is what intelligent people do. It is absolutely not the same as forcing your opinion on someone.
Of course I’m typing this more out of frustration than anything else. I realise that there is no way you would ever be willing to think about anything I have said. I expect instead you will try to find something you can criticise or find some way of accusing me of double standards, hypocrisy or maybe just label me as a whiny fanboy. Whatever. I think I’m done with the BoW comment sections.
People have the right to mock people with poor taste or lack of standards.
Especially if a company which could be making the best miniatures ever and sometimes do, keeps bringing out sh*t that is lapped up. I’m not even bothered about the lack of logic of its propulsion etc. I’m more annoyed that the guns are positions, like the Imperial Spider Pig, in ways that will probably do more damage to the vehicle than the target.
@erastus is right. He didn’t label my statement ‘elitist’. He said it was an “elitist jerk.” 😉
“People have the right to mock people with poor taste or lack of standards.”
Lol. I have the right to say you talk sh*t, it doesn’t mean I should. Why? Because whether you talk sh*t or not is entirely my opinion. Your definition of what constitutes “poor taste or lack of standards” is just that. Your definition.
As the person who made the function over form I thought I’d respond. I’m well aware of how aerodynamics work. I’m also aware that 40k is set in a future where we have anti-grav and psychics and energy shields etc. My point about form over function is a case of if they have the technology to make anything fly without adhering to current aerodynamic standards why not leave it looking like a brick as long as they can propel it
After all none of the necron flyers are aerodynamic, or ork ones, or eldar forgeworld ones, or tau etc.
I’m not a GW fanboy, they can do wrong (oh hai centurions), but nitpicking over design vs realism is somewhat silly considering the overall nature of the setting.
I know but I was looking at this as more of a people carrier, its not suppoed to be a fighter, and its not designed to be pretty. From a model standpoint it looks kinda interesting, I understand the blocky form of it is a bit lame by all accounts.
I have to agree I think it would have been much nicer if it were a dual kit, based on one of the pre-existing chassis for the stormtalon or etc. So you could magnetize and interchange depending on how you want to use it.
I don’t know the rules on this, but it could have been cool if were reversed, have the pilot at the front perhaps, the blocky back bit on the rear, and it could be a means of disembarking / dropping in its cargo from flying status without any risk. So you detatch the back, plop it hits the ground like a drop pod and the front bit thats left flying around acts like a fighter.
A bit much to ask though probably xD
I think it’s pretty convincing, I mean I assume the transport is designed to smash into fortifications than unload the payload of Marines.
I like this somewhat better… better than the Storm-Thang as it is currently configured. It shows more than a passing attention to function.
Has this gone a tad off topic?
I think so, I’mma ignore the fanboy stuff, when it starts turning into a hate debate about whether you like GW or not as that appears to determine what your opinion ‘must’ be about their products it becomes a bit of a waste of time.
I was merely attempting to look for something positive within the new model. I like the idea of actual carriers, something like this as a troop carrier isn’t too far from some of the big ships on forgeworld only the pilot is at the back instead of the front and it looks like a shoe. But I don’t know how the rules for it work, it looks like it has potential to me at least.
And if it does come out at only £20 I think its pretty affordable as a conversion piece / basis.
The problem is you think anyone is forcing opinions on others, this seems to happen in most gw related threads you post in.
It’s a bit of a pain though, and very detrimental when all you wanna do is have a chat about a new release, I point out a few things I think I could like it for, and potential that it might have and not two posts down it bursts into “Fanboy” “Cultist” name calling stuff.
@.@
I also think the same with this as I do the taurox, it’s all a matter of what angle you look at it from, I bet this will look good in real life and just photographs badly
Is it meant to look like a dog’s head? Or a wolf’s head, I suppose. It looks like the little wings are meant to be its and the box at the front its muzzle.
*are meant to be its ears
Windows are the eyes, gun is the nose, and things running along the bottom are the teeth. I think anyone criticising it for its lack of aerodynamics is barking up the wrong tree, so to speak. It’d be like criticising the Jokermobile for being impractical.
I’m not taking the p*ss or having a go at the design. I honestly believe the intention here is to have it look like it’s a wolf’s head. They’ve gone for a thematic design over a practical one which is fair enough.
That’s not very good comparison. Jokermobile is car so it’s not supposed to fly. On ground aerodynamics dosen’t mean so much unless you want to go faster without needing to add size of engine like with F1 race cars.
I do realise that designers in GW tend to go overboard with thematic designs (I am looking at you Dark Talon) so I know that they went with that wolf theme. How ever I can’t overlook that stupid design just because I know what they went for.
You don’t have to. You’re completely free to set the limits of your own suspension of disbelief :).
Wow, this topic went down hill fast :-/
My tuppence worth: I have not been a fan of the sometimes erratic design direction GW have taken the past few years. Just not my thing personally.
… And yet, I strangely find something quite appealing about the look of this. Definitely has a brutal boarding assault feel to it. I’d probably omit the fur pelts though if I’m planning on orbital insertion, burning hair is not a nice smell.
Be interesting to see it in the flesh and get a feel for what could be done with it kit wise.
Redben you could be right there, looks like a wolf snout.
Not sure I like it but its growing on me.
If people dont like the current look of it just wait a few months a somebody will bring out a conversion kit like chapterhouses tru scale kit
All right everyone. Let’s all tuck in our lower lip for a moment. Obviously there are going to be folks on both sides of this, and there is no denying that. You can all label me an as*hole for my comments and that’s fine: the hours are good and there’s no heavy lifting.
But here is my mantra, my ‘manifesto’ so to speak, vis-a-vis Games Workshop: GW is obviously not worthy of the passion and commitment I’ve seen in this thread alone. ‘We’ wouldn’t be arguing about this lame duck if they were delivering a product that was even partially based on some sort of physical reality. Let’s face it: if someone hadn’t posted an honest contrary appraisal this would have generated 10 comments about how to employ this ‘Storm-Thang.’
I don’t mind using ridicule to prompt people to action; I would love to buy GW products again, but it has been a long time since I’ve seen anything worthy of my dollars. They are clearly capable of producing outstanding models.
Having said that, I’ve never liked the 40k or WFB rules: I find them puerile and simplistic, and paradoxically complex. And if you’re going to label something a strategy game you shouldn’t get beat by an 8-year-old kid who rolls five ones… or whatever. That is also my opinion, of course, and you should feel free to call me an organ of your choice, and you should certainly feel free to play your games as you see fit.
I also don’t like the pubescent fascism that permeates the 40k universe, and feeds the kids who wander into the stores.
I used to love GW’s mini’s, own a lot of the fantasy line, and would buy the sci-fi stuff again if I could be convinced I could rely on GW to consistently produce something feasible. I can make my own vehicles with plasti-card and a little ingenuity but it would be nice to buy a ready made kit every now and again, and at a reasonable price. Our gaming group is looking to branch out from fantasy to sci-fi, and we’ll be doing that through the old Traveler/Striker RPG mechanics, so I have a stake in GW’s products in the same way everyone else does.
I also want to thank those of you who have the stones to voice similar opinions. You know who you are.
OK, good, some positive improvements in this comment. Let’s take a closer look:-
“‘We’ wouldn’t be arguing about this lame duck if they were delivering a product that was even partially based on some sort of physical reality”
Wrong. As stated elsewhere, being accurately based on physical reality is not a prerequisite for fiction. You have a *preference* for it, cool, but others may not share *your* preference.
“I don’t mind using ridicule to prompt people to action”
Wrong. Again see above. Action would only be required if their products were offensive or intended to be offensive. Or if they killed a kitten every time we bought a model…
“That is also my opinion”
Good! Clear understanding of subjectiveness here.
“and you should certainly feel free to play your games as you see fit”
Slightly patronising but the intention is excellent.
Overall not bad. So taking into account the above – consider the following two statements:-
1) “I prefer my fliers to look like they can fly so I’m not keen on this. In fact, I have to say I’ve been disappointed with a lot of their recent offerings. I haven’t bought anything from them for quite a while now”
2) “This is utter crap, GW are allowed to produce badly designed rubbish like this because of all the brainwashed GW fanboys buying any garbage GW sell”
Which statement do you think will attract the most internet rage and which statement is more likely to start a sensible debate?
You’re confusing ‘clarification’ with ‘contrition’. Try to keep up.
OK what do we have here:-
“You’re confusing ‘clarification’”
Marked down. You’ve misinterpreted the intention of the comment but….
“with ‘contrition’”
Better! You’ve clearly identified contrition in the comment. Now if you can reconcile that with the original intention of the comment you’re in for some good marks.
Certainly so if you remove this:-
“Try to keep up”
Aimless and plagiarised. Keep up with what? Try not to grab one liners at random. Examiners will see straight through it.
Not as much improvement as your previous comment, but still some positives. Keep up the good work!
Well, said, @cpauls1 . Look, if a complete outsider’s view is worth anything here (seriously, I know nothing about 40K except how to spell it 🙂 ) I only run across these really nasty arguments in 40K threads, at least on BoW. Seriously, what IS it with this game? Reason number 906-B not to start this game . . . you’re liable to run into a lot of angry people.
Come on, you know that was funny. 😀
If use anger on the internet as a reason not to do something you’ll be sitting in the corner of a dark room for the rest of your life…..
@oriskany you are certainly right, we only ever see this kind of anger in threads about GW games. It’s really very unfortunate and hard to understand. The problem is that some people choose to criticise GW by ridiculing the people who choose to buy their products.
In an ideal world we could all discuss what we like and don’t like about any product or company and indeed, we seem to be able to do that in relation to any other company. People can say “I like company X” or “I don’t like company X’s minis” without anyone crossing that line which leads to “company X’s customers are idiots” except when company X is GW. When it comes to GW its customers are fair game to be called fanboys, cultists, juvenile any name you can think of. That is why people get irate.
I got irate. I shouldn’t have. If @cpauls1 is reading this then I’d like to publicly apologise for any offence I may have caused. Lesson learned; never type in anger.
I actually agree with most of @cpauls1 ‘s criticisms of GW. I think most of their minis are awful. There are entire factions in 40k that I really don’t like and their pricing is inconsistent and often baffling. What I don’t agree with is the way that he chose to voice his criticism by ridiculing GW customers. It is his tight to do that, but my right to not like it. However, I shouldn’t have insulted him in return and I regret doing it.
I think we should all remember that we are part of a niche hobby here. We should be a community and as a community we should be able to give honest feedback about what we do and do not like about our hobby. As a small community though, the last thing we should be doing is attacking each other, whether that is making fun of customers of particular companies or whether that is insulting individuals posting on a website.
Thanks, @erastus . I definitely agree with (and really admire) this last post. The site would be pretty boring if everyone agreed all the time. I think you and I have “clashed” on a thread about the Fury WW2 tank movie, while @cpauls1 and I might have been on opposite sides of a recent debate on Kingdom Death “pinup” minis. But it shouldn’t be about sides, and it shouldn’t be personal.
I really do see where you’re coming from about comments toward the GW customer base. No one likes to be characterized poorly for choosing buying certain products. Those of us “outside” the problem, however, see a lot of 40K players (even loyal ones) often complaining about the quality, design, and rules. While I fully admit that I wouldn’t know a good 40K design from a bad one, the prices admittedly seem awfully high. Now I don’t want to speak for anyone else on this thread, but some of us “outsiders” see GW customers as “creating their own problem” by continuing to support a powerhouse company that seems to be treating them poorly (??).
Acknowledging that this may indeed be true, and we “40K outsiders” have the right to our opinions, non-40K players like me should nevertheless bear two things in mind. One, GW and 40K are two different things. Lots of people hate the one and love the other. Opinions or feelings about GW shouldn’t necessary bleed over into 40K, which leads to the second point . . . we shouldn’t go after the players.
For instance, how many of us disagree with our government but still love our country? Yet most of us live in democracies of one kind or another so ultimately responsibility for that government rests with us. I realize that’s a “heavy” example, but I hope the analogy still plays. 40K players may disagree with GW but still love the game, even though by supporting the game, they’re keeping GW “in power” and just asking for more “bad treatment.”
I can say from personal experience that I love historical games, the history is 90% of the game for me, and sometimes I have things like “button-counter” or “rivet-counter” or “stick to reenactments” tossed my way. You’re welcome to not like a game or a design or a genre . . . just take it easy on the folks who do like it.
Man, my posts always get too long. In closing, I’d like support your closing statement that this is a niche hobby. Hell yeah. There are few enough of us as it is. Let’s have all the guns facing outward. 🙂
Well played, both of you. The better angels of my nature are sometimes banished by the old Warrant Officer devil in me ;-). I think we all want the same thing.
I still like the look of the flyer, but does anyone else think it looks a little bit like a Nephilim jetfighter has crashed into the back of a container? 😀
Lol. Yes. I now have visions of it flying around like a cat with a new collar on trying to get the container of it’s nose….
Sudden thought about the rear wings
Cut them off and place them on top pointing vertically then they can be the wolf’s ears
Actually, you may as well. The miniature already has zero pretence of being something that could actually fly, so why not go the whole hog? (or wolf for that matter?)
Looks a bit like the Forge world Caestus to me.
It looks a lot like the Caestus. That’s why it’s cool now you can buy a Gee Dub plastic kit and pretend you’ve got FW instead. Well that’s what I’d tell myself anyway
That’s dog ugly… Sorry, it had to be done. 🙂
Agreed with anyone who thinks it’s ugly. It looks mangy as hell. I love it. I’m so frustrated that I do not have any intention of running Space Wolves because I’d love to play with that thing so much. It has been A LOT of years since GW made me say that. I am genuinely impressed they’ve popped this out.
“We shouldn’t go after the players”, not sure what to say to that oriskany.
Should go well with the other Playmobil-esque releases of recent years.
First came “Snakes on a plane”, now we have “wings on a brick”.
i actually like this concept/model…. :-/