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Weekender XLBS: GW Smaug & Star Wars On The Tabletop?
December 7, 2014 by lloyd
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Happy Sunday guys, Weekender and Dragonmeet yesterday, now xlbs today. Hobby splooge.
And the base size change isn’t that big a deal, its been done before when they changed from metal termies to the new plastic sculpts and also the same with the old obliterater sculpts compared to the new. Also keep in mind, some large 40k models (like the dreadnought, carnifex and even the tyranid warriors) used to come on large SQUARE bases simply because the large round bases didn’t exist. Is it annoying, yes, big deal? Only if you make it one.
Also – GW are currently saying no one has to rebase. It is a style choice, rather than a enforced shift. The below is taken from FAEIT 212, but i have seen it elsewhere.
“The Response from Games Workshop
The new 32mm bases were a design choice made by the sculptors, to make the Death Company look more imposing. There is no specific base that you have to use for the Death Company, so should you wish to mount them on the smaller 20mm bases this is fine, but if you would rather have the slightly larger 32mm base, this is also fine.
I hope that this helps, but if you need anything further, please let me know.
Kind regards”
Saw those posts too. Was rather amusing to see the sky is falling reaction from some of the GW detractors when the base change was announced. Turns out it was a storm in a teacup.
Happy Sunday!
I have to say I breathed a sigh of relief when I read that on FB too – the thought of being told I need to rebase a battle company to be “legal” would have been another nail in 40k’s coffin for me.
On the Star Wars front – I picked up X-Wing a few months ago and have been struggling to get the expansion pack ships I wanted, so yes if FFG have sorted out distribution then I could quite happily take up a new wargame in a galaxy far far away! 🙂
And the 25mm bases aren’t goning away. The Genestealers from Shield of Baal come with 25mm bases. So it only affects some of the larger infantry models.
So it’s just an increase in base options?
A can I pick either 25mm or 32mm for my troops?
Cool! ( I have no issue with that!)
Apparently it was at the sculptors request to have a bigger base for Marines to fit on, but I’m hoping it just sits as an option rather than a requirement to use the larger size….
Even with the rules as they are you wouldn’t have been required to re-base existing minis. The reference to 20mm is a bit odd. Do GW still do that thing where you can email them questions and they have some random customer service person answer them?
Great show.The take looks really great. I bet you are very glad to have the extra room.
Only one quick question. What happened to the special offer with CosyDice?
We’ll post it shortly was a bit of a push to even get the episode out 🙂
I think perhaps a custom dice bag would be just the right gift, depending on the details of the Cosy Dice offer.
Great show as always.
Thank for the trailer.
I agree with Warren FFG will bring us a good Star wars wargame.
great vid, but was there not meant to be a discount code handed out for the cozy dice bags you talked about in front stage?
According to the Perry Miniatures FB page Smaug is a Michael Perry digital sculpt!
https://www.facebook.com/perryminiatures?fref=ts
I think he did a beautiful job on it 🙂
Happy Sunday!!!
So, Star Wars then.Excited. Very excited.
Warren, now is a good time to read those books on your shelf 😉
Regarding FFG, I will be very, very impressed if they can pull off ~28mm scale pre-painted minis that are as good as the ship from the X-Wing game. A material change (vs the super soft plastic WotC used) will certainly help but I think the reason the ships work is because they are scaled up, with detail deep enough that a single wash will do a great job of picking out the panels on the hulls. Instead, I wonder if they will have the capability to offer pre-coloured miniatures instead, ala Disney Infinity, where each mini is actually composed of, say, 4 different colours of plastic.
Well FFG’s Imperial Assault game out in the next month or so has a skirmish mode built in but the minis arent pre painted. I guess they may be expanding further with this game to include massed battles.
@warzan take note of this comment – imperial assault is a skirmish war game; it is being sold as a board game to draw in new players but it comes with tabletop skirmish rules, with the intention to expand that way http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=4994
*PS – it’s worth noting that DUST started as a board game before evolving out.
Careful @warzan , don’t say people are nuts for not liking the Smaug sculpt. I got a string of abuse for saying something similar 😉
Lol
I stand by what I said, from the pics we’ve seen it’s a fantastic sculpt 🙂
Happy Sunday,
Would love to see some ready painted Star wars minis would just have them sitting in my hobby room as something nice to look at.
I’m very happy you are going to do something with Shadows of Brimstone. I’ve had my pledge for a week now just finished putting both core sets of mini’s together the plan is to undercoat and base much like what you did with the myth stuff.
I really like the game you have different levels of encounters based on your party size there is random events and both of the core boxes come with different other worlds to travel to which use the opposite side of the mine tile.
Star Wars… How big a grin did people have when the music kicked in and the Falcon flew past..?
Gates of Antares still looks like your bog standard generic scifi game. What is there about it to make me choose it over all of the others..?
Shadows of Brimstone, had my pledge for the last fortnight. The the quality of the figures is rubbish and even though I prefer it, they really didn’t need to be on sprues. Other than that and the fact the artwork on the tiles doesn’t even come close to matching where they connect together, the game is brilliant.
Also. The best thing about the 2 Shadows of Brimstone core sets is that there is very little in the way of duplication. So combing sets just makes one giant set rather than a set with 2 of eveything.
if X wing wasn’t a game with TOYS I would be more interested. My hobby involves making, customising and painting models, that I then play with on the gaming table. Different type of hobby in my eyes, playing with pre painted and made models.
Guys . Star wars incursion has a skirmish game level. Taddaaa
Personally, I think base makers will be over the moon with GW’s decision to change base sizes as it will be an opportunity to release a whole new range of bases.
In the slightly longer term that’s very true!
Sorry guys, had to stop you mid flow to check out GoA, and after having a good read of it, I think this is the future! Bolt action in space, you can’t get better than that.
I’m now in a serious quandary; what to do with my 40k stuff, as I won’t be using this again (I haven’t used it for years anyway as I was waiting for a replacement sci fi system)
Shadows of brimstone is a cool game, with a very nice campaign mode with character developement. Hate that i didnt back the ks, but money streches only so far
Parents giving away star wars toys – I feel your pain guys, my mum did the same back in the mid ’80’s with all my star wars stuff!
talking about pre-paints didn’t micro machines have ships ground vehicles and infantry
I suspect the 32mm base will initially be for space marines and to be honest they need a larger base.
Maybe it’s just me, but Smaug as a wyvern? Ugh! Just doesn’t work for me 🙁
Yeah, kind’a strange for me too.
Your mother gave your star wars away? AAAArghh.
Mine made me sell my lego. I’ve got two boys now.
Bet your ass I take better care of their toys.
Happy Sunday!
Besides the Smaug is a beautiful sculpt, I was a little bit irritated it’s a wyvern (you’re right Warren) now and not a dragon any more. But that’s Peter Jacksons decision. 😉 If it comes to pricey models, there is this giant dragon from coolminiornot called Cang, witch I think is a beautiful sculpt too.
Yup checked the DVD it certainly looks like a proper six limbed DRAGON not a four limbed WYVERN like in the desolation of SMAUG.
Now I also want the Gates of Antares Beta rulebook. Please put on a demogame of it and have Romain paint up the minis 🙂
I’ve still got all my starwars stuff
I have some of the WWE terrain and was trying to figure out how I was going to paint them, I think you have just solved my problem.
epic stuff guys
Shadows of brimstone is the best game ever! The only problem is bad miniature, very
Bad sculpts, but at least they are better than mantic restic figures.
If you look on the Desolation DVD extra’s, it tells you all about the redesigning of Smaug.
Am finding Shadows very difficult to succeed at so am lowering the threat level to see if that helps, and yes, the mini’s are not very good for wargame standards but are ok for a boardgame, not what you expect when the mini’s come on hard plastic sprues though, seems to be the worst of both worlds 🙁
We might have a better chance of surviving if one player did not hit another player with a lit stick of dynamite. Seriously though we have three of us have played two thoroughly enjoyable games but have K.O.4 characters per game in the second game we only progresses to our second room. All our characters ended up in a worse off state to go into the second game.
I like both the Weta and the GW versions of Smaug the wyvern (like most I’d prefer him as a dragon but he still looks super awesome!). To compare them both though is comparing apples and oranges. In the case of the GW one it is a reduced size Smaug to fit on a gaming table. The fact that his tooth is the size of a hobbit head, compared to being bigger than Bilbo in the film, show that it has been reduced to fit a game.
This means that the treasure will have much more detail, as you are seeing it from closer to Smaug. The same with the chest details, wing folds, and scales etc. The scale has been reduced but the detailing hasn’t, so the detailing on his chest is makes his scales look huge, but if you look at Smaug on screen his chest scales, while big, are not that big. This by no means makes GWs version bad. He is a really nice model of a movie creature that has been adapted to scale with 25mm models and not lose detail and therefore look awful.
The Weta Smaug is also great. He is more to scale, something lost really because he lacks any reference to place his size. The treasure looks flat and lacking detail because if you were looking at a dragon sat on a pile of gold coins from 100 feet away, the gold would look flat. The same with his chest details and wing folds. They look undefined and therefore lacking detail because they have remained true to the actual size of the scales in the film. GW have done their usual oversizing for rule of cool and to make a genuinely nice looking model. The Weta one is a far better true representation of what is seen in the film, while GWs one is far better at making it look nicer for table top.
To compare them though is a bit rough. They are both stunning in their own right. And both made for completely different purposes.
I’m a backer of Fallen Frontiers so have read the Alpha rules they provide. Warren I think your understanding of the initiative is slightly wrong, at least to how I read the rules. There are 4 phases but I believe you can only win 2 of them. So if you get the first two phases, the second two automatically go to your opponent. Fatigue enters the equation when you rollover to the next round. So if you had the last two phases of round 1 and then get the first phase of round 2, that would be 3 in a row and lead to some fatigue, but both players will still get two phases per round.
I see thanks for clearing that up 🙂
It’s a bit disappointing to see BoW go off on such a petty bases-conspiracy theory there.
Games Workshop never once even mentioned the word/term/idea “re-basing”, and actively came out to dispel any such notions.
Not to mention, all the precedents, like the previous Terminator-base-change (actually mentioned in the show), the Genestealers still on 25mm, etc.., etc..
Don’t you guys at least try to corroborate/fact-check things before going off on defamatory tangents like this?
All it would’ve taken would have been an email to GW customer service to ask if re-basing would be obligatory? Or a look around their website to find a quote saying rebasing is required? Too much work?
We only got our ‘semi official’ confirmation this morning.
We don’t have a direct line to GW (like we do with nearly everyone else) so getting a comment or even fact checking with them can be a little challenging.
I do state multiple times that we’re not sure exactly what the intention is.
On the video they *did* all agree that the mini’s would look better on bigger bases. I think you are focusing on one part of what was said, on a show that is based on some hobbyists sitting down and chillaxing at the end of the week.
If that was me, I’d be sat there bitching that base changes wouldn’t be needed if the mini scale hadn’t gradually increased from 25mm in the first place. 😀
On a connected note, the increased scale of Warhammer mini’s makes them look ridiculous ranked up on 20mm bases originally meant for 25mm mini’s.
Well, it “was” said by BoW, that all “line infantry” would change their base.
That is something GW never said, so BoW put words into GW’s mouth, that GW themselves never said in the first place.
Why?
You don’t need a direct line to a company to not say things they didn’t say themselves. Why would you make something like that up, except (!) for the explicit purpose that it is the (fictional) lynchpin required to support a defamatory theory about GW’s nefarious plans to damage other companies?
Here’s another conspiracy theory of that ilk: Is BoW purposefully smearing GW because they are the one company that doesn’t have “direct line” with them?
I don’t think we said that actually.
If we did it was by mistake (but I’m fairly certain we didn’t because the general theme was we didn’t know exactly what the plan was)
🙂
Well, this is how it goes in the video:
—
Warren: The other news was, the base size has changed in 40K.
Justin: Wait. What?
Warren: Base size has changed
Justin: 25mm base.
Warren: Correct, for standard infantry, Space Marines and stuff like this, the base size is 25mm. It is now moving to 32mm.
Lloyd: I am gobsmacked by this, to be honest
Justin: Why?
Warren: Why not?
Justin: Because you don’t need to.
Warren: Well, yeah you do!
—
Followed by a 15 minute rant focussing almost exclusively on the alleged nefarious intentions by GW to hurt other manufacturers. Regarding the second part, true, you said you couldn’t “know” if this “nefarious” behaviour was the plan by GW (though you still spend an awful lot of time going into all the alleged repercussions for non-GW, far more than even the repercussions for GW-games/miniatures themselves).
But if you fact-checked the first part, you would know (!) by simple logic that the second “nefarious” part couldn’t possibly be true.
You present the first half as fact, or to quote yourself, as “news”, and the second as theory.
You, at the very least, should’ve presented the first part as unsubstantiated theory (not “news”), and probably not continued to build more theory on top of a non-confirmed prerequisite theory.
Also, if a random Natfka-reader can email GW customer services to check, why can’t you? I still don’t see what’s stopping you there on the fact-checking side of things?
And regarding the ‘theory of putting custom base creators under pressure’ based on all the recent steps GW have been taking to exclude others from their ip, I don’t think it was outlandish to discuss the possibility 🙂
And most of these items are picked up from the community and discussed, kinda ties the shows and community discussions together.
Ultimately the issue with GW is ‘we just don’t know’ now you might well know exactly what is going on and your very welcome to help keep us up to speed.
But don’t make the mistake of believing that just because you know something we automatically do as well 🙂
But again, we do appreciate input from all corners so if you have a handle on this area, please do consider keeping in touch 🙂
Why “don’t you know”?
Again, if a Natfka reader, as noted above, can write an email to GW customers services and ask, what’s stopping you?
As explained above, we can’t know everything, and we make mistakes, or misinterpret what we read/see developing.
Unfortunate, but it does happen I’m afraid.
We also have a slight technical aspect in that it’s all recorded and the story can continue unfolding while it’s in the edit etc
We do get caught out with that from time to time 🙂
I think if it had been clear from the outset what was happening, we would have been able to be more clear in our discussion of it.
But I’ll ask the guys to make reference to it in next weeks XLBS to make sure they are clear about what is happening 🙂
@solsohotfirst take a chill pill mate………..who gives a s*** what Warren and the lads said……… it’s their show, just like GW the company can change any base/model /fluff they like, if the lads want to have a rant or two about GW good luck to’em….you don’t have to listen!……… you can sit there in your ‘all knowing bubble world’ knowing the so called truth thinking you have one up on BOW………..don’t waste your time trying to point out all the faults……….. Warren and the lads have a right to there OPINION!………..if you don’t like whats said at times on the shows cancel your backstage pass…………
…………now that’s my rant over……………
@bluesun2517
lol
If Warren & Co have a “right to their opinion”, so have I, and I’ll use the comment section to do so. They can ban me if they don’t like it.
That said, factual mistakes are not opinions. They are factual mistakes. The “bases in 40K are changing” as presented in the video was a mistake.
If Warren says it was a mistake, cool. Settled.
I am not sure why I get accused for being in an “all knowing bubble” for pointing out things that have NOT been said ever anywhere (outside BoW)?
If BoW says that Ireland announced that they will merge with the UK, while in fact the Irish government has made no such statement, why am I being in some “all knowing bubble” for pointing out that the Irish government, indeed, has made no such announcements?
As the person who, I believe, first made the suggestion that a change to 32mm (as opposed to 30mm) may have been motivated by an attempt to create something not currently served by the ancillary market (and then posted the email a few days later on the 40K forums), then I have no problem in saying that I stand by it. It is entirely in keeping with the current mood in GW to tighten up their Fortress Wall. The extra space on the base size could have been achieved by increasing to 30mm, by increasing to 32mm they are making a base to a size that no-one outside of Outlaw makes.
On the email, if it’s to be taken at face value then 40K players with existing Space Marines will have to re-base them as 25mm doesn’t seem to be a legal base anymore. It’s 20mm or 32mm. If the source of this is still the same place our group used to email for WFB rules clarifications before we quickly realised that the people on the other end were not in any way an official source then I’d take anything they say with a pinch of salt. The different people answering them weren’t even consistent in their answers (assuming it wasn’t one person forgetting what answers they had previously given).
Not that I’m suggesting GW really are planning on making Space Marine players re-base. They don’t issue official tournament rules (outside of WHW tournaments) and the 40K rules only require a mini be based on the size it came with so there’d be no reason for them to mandate a re-basing anyway. That is not the same thing as saying when the decision was taken to increase Space Marine base size, that picking something not supported by ancillary companies was not part of the motivation for choosing 32mm.
Finally, there was no 15 minute rant about nefarious motivations. Given you seem so keen to cite the parts that support your argument, I invite you cite the bit where Warren says there is nothing wrong with what GW are doing. Hardly a accusatory rant against nefarious business practices.
@redben
The middle between 25mm and 40mm happens to be 32mm (or 32.5mm), not 30mm. Seems simple enough.
The mid-point is 32.5mm but either way, there’s no reason that 40mm would enter into it at all.
@redben
And seriously. If you want to use a Micro Arts & Co. base, just use a 30mm base!
We are talking 2mm here. 1 mm on each side of the miniature?
Your GW’s entire evil “bankrupt-Micro-Arts”-plan pivots on the assumption that GW “know” that hobbyists would be so uptight about … literally … a single mm, that they wouldn’t buy from Micro Arts anymore?
Really?
Big gamble there, to not give Micro Arts & Co unintentional 30mm business anyways….
No evil plans to bankrupt anyone are being suggested here. You’re either not reading what I’m writing, or are assuming I’m some sort of GW hater and are reading what I’m writing through that lens. I’m sure that the decision to re-size the base was motivated by practical concerns. I’m sure that GW will make no mandate to re-base. I’m also sure based on the exact size they went with, their emphasis on the Fortress Wall, and what I know about their decision making process, that 32mm was chosen instead of 30mm because they hoped to inconvenience some small ancillary companies who manufacture bases for use with 40K. Furthermore, I’m not claiming this will put any of them out of business. It’s most likely that any inconvenience GW do cause will be a short-term one, but that GW will be happy with that.
If that comes across to you like I’m accusing GW of anything evil or nefarious, then I can assure you I am not. They will have just seen an opportunity to potentially inconvenience companies that they are not fans of (and have every right to feel that way), and took it.
“Well, it “was” said by BoW, that all “line infantry” would change their base.”
That certainly wasn’t said in this video.
lol…lol….(because you started with a lol i’m starting with two lol’s……….lol)
you do have every right to your opinion and i would defend that principle……….
i don’t believe you would ever be banned for expressing your view,
however!……………….in my opinion you have come across has a ‘pompous self righteous know it all git!………….who doesn’t know when to just let things be! ….
but………………… that’s just my opinion…………….
cheers,,,,be lucky……..
AL
@solsohotfirst
sorry man have to agree there is a tone coming across in the way its worded
joys of the English language it was designed for speaking and not reading
the way it read to me if we where in a pub you’d be shouting and getting your cote to leave
but that’s just how i read it
To be fair, I don’t agree with any point that @soloshotfirst is bringing up, but at 51.30 Warren does say that the 25mm base size for standard infantry is changing to 32mm.
Remember, video shot in advance, not live. Events that you may know about now may not have been known about on the day of filming. Also, why take what BoW says as gospel and get mightily offended when they word something wrong! They’re not the only people I’ve seen go a bit loopy over the base size change!
The COMON Cang is still my pick of dragon mini’s, i think the main difference is that a wyvern does not have forearms where a dragon does – wings attached or not.
That Cang is amazing! I really wish I had one. $299 of pure awesome!
https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/cang.html
Now that is what I call a dragon.
I’m still a fan of the old FW chaos dragon
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3552&stc=1&d=1284080016
…………so?……………STAR WARS…………………..not that a bigger deal really!………..(some of us….. where there back in the 70’s! when the ORIGINAL came out!….you youngsters…..spoilt for choice now days…lol)
MAD MAX FURY ROAD!………….now that’s big deal!…………. let the carnage begin boy’s..wow!…wow!
Id like to see how the creature caster dragon measures up when completed though cang does look gorgeous it would definetly need a professional to do it justice
I registered for GofA testing when it was first announced, have enjoyed the rules so far.
Not entirely sold on the Boromite minis, but I do like Algoryns. I really want this to do well.
See, I really hope that if FFG do take the pre-painted route for a table-top game that they can managed better quality than some of the WOTC Star Wars minis wound up with, as that line had great potential and quality in the first few years but the later waves as they changed materials lost a lot of detail and got paint jobs that could, at their worse, be classed as “blobby”. And to be fair, this is something that has affected Heroclix over the years as well, so that some utterly gorgeous preview minis have wound up as terrible production minis.
FFG at least know from X-Wing that people are willing to pay for quality….
Great show, love the buildings.
so what are people going over the top about the star wars trailer for?
Couple of things about the base change…. I personally hate 25mm bases and thought they should be 30mm… I DO find it a little annoying that GW went with 32mm since I don’t see many aftermarket groups selling 32mm bases….
That all said a friend of mine works a comic/gaming store and sells GW product and they sent him a press release saying that bases did NOT need to be changed for tournaments and other such and that the change was purely for aesthetics and stability, to give the marines a better foot print. I don’t know… I would again prefer the 30mm so I can just buy bulk bases and put everything on them.
Anyway great show and just wanted to chime in…
To be honest. It’s a millimetre on either side. Is anyone going to be that pedantic that they measure your bases to make sure they have that extra mm on either side? If so, I wouldn’t play them on principle.
Great weekender and XLBS.
The base thing is another decision from GW I don’t really get. They say ” its to make the DC more imposing “, I say, surely all marines need the bigger base if that’s the case ? There have been issues with the marines feet sticking out over the current 25mm for as long as I have been back in the hobby ( it may seem like a small niggle, but it gets annoying ), probably been longer than that to be honest. It would ( in the long run, imho ) make more sense to end up with all marines on the 32mm base ( wouldn’t it ? ), rather than just the DC from a sub-set of marines.
Smaug / Cang is something that is way out of my pay grade and my painting skills, I will have to limit myself to admiring the work of the pro’s as far as he / it goes. He isn’t a Wyvern, I have seen versions of dragons in film / books / games that have had the wings joined to the front limbs or had them on their backs, like the classic D&D monster.
I want my club to get some of the WWE terrain, it, along with stuff from the Wolsung / Mordanburgh and the Malifaux range from Plascraft would fit into several game systems and look good together.
It’s amusing that Smaug seems to have turned us all into cryptozoologists lol.
Does 40K still have the 2 inch coherency rule..?
If so then the move to bigger bases means that the figures are are further apart. Which means less models under a template.
I admit I haven’t played 40K for years and could be wrong. But that seems like it could matter.
It makes no difference for either the 3″ or 5″ diameter blast marketers. It would only make a difference if it were possible to cover a line of three minis placed 2inches apart with a single blast marker. It’s not. Due to the size of the templates, the only factor which determines ho many bases you can hit with one is the gap between the bases. You could hit more minis with the 5″ if they were on smaller bases, but 25mm is already big enough to make a line of three impossible provided they are at maximum 2inch spacing.
In short, adding the extra 7mm to the diameter of the base makes no difference in practice.
In terms of templates it doesn’t but it does in terms of placement and how you use that. Not that it’s a big deal. If the minis need to be on bigger bases then you just adjust accordingly.
Haha. Righty-o. Fair enoigh. 🙂
Argh. Stupid bloomin keypad. Lol
Enough. Not enoigh
My friends and I would be more likely to try a miniatures game if they came fully assembled and painted. We don’t have the time or interest in miniatures assembly and painting. If people want to repaint the minis then they can as with the X-Wing game.
I haven’t played the new printing of Space Hulk because I have not had the time to assemble the minis. I like the idea of opening a box and getting to playing. Having to paint minis has kept my group and I from really jumping into Warmachine and Infinity. I feel more people will try a game if pre-painted minis and pre-painted boxed set were available.
I think so too. The pre-paints have been big part of the success of X-Wing. The brand recognition and simple gameplay help too, but if the ships came on sprues I don’t think it would have done so well.
the flying bases are all ready 30 mm i think theres a rule box in the new rules saying so long as it has a base it doesn’t mater
game terms its only going to the bigger base troops that will be getting them so base tau, guardsman one like that will be stating on the 25mm bases it makes it fairer in close combat
on the case front gw need to get there butts in gear and do some different in-lays any way and not just at Christmas as a gimmick
all so enjoy every opportune you get being a dad work may pay the bills but its them that bring you a the true joy
but i think you have that worked out any way 🙂
Loving the fury over bases. Relax, folks. Relax. It’s only toy soldiers 🙂
I like the MDF basedoughnut idea, though I’d not give a rat’s arse enough to insist anyone use them.
Good show guys again. I’ve not of the base size changing until I heard it here. Bit of a bummer as I have a large 40K collection. Would have been nice if they let models like guard and boyz etc remain at 25mm. Change space marines “Astra Militarium”, Nobz etc top 32mm. Would have made more sense really. You know, to represent their smaller and bigger bulk respectively. The fact that they changed it across the board does imply a more sinister reason I guess.
Ah well, there is no way I’m changing all my crap. Although I did do it for all my terminators years ago.
Astra Militarum are Imperial Guard. 😛 I think you meant Adeptus Astartes. 🙂
soooooooooooooooo whats the REAL diffrance between a dragon and a whyvon? also, if they don’t exist, how can there be experts?
“soooooooooooooooo whats the REAL diffrance between a dragon and a whyvon? also, if they don’t exist, how can there be experts?”
Tell that to the huge number of literature experts out there, such as those that spend their life studying viking Sagas and myths. Just because something doesn’t exist in reality it doesn’t mean there cannot be experts. There has been enough written about dragons and other crypto species that someone could be an “expert”. They are not an expert on dragons, but an expert on dragon literature.
Wyverns have 4 limbs with the front two making up its wings, a dragon has 6 limbs, 4 for walking and 2 that make up the wings. That is the standard european dragon. If you go to different areas of the globe dragons are different.
You would have to wonder how the two types evolved.
Growing (or losing) limbs would be a pretty massive jump I would imagine.
Trying to think of a species in real life that has any similar kinds of traits..,
I agree, you look at almost any large animal (and by large I mean bigger that the average insect), and we have all evolved with 4 limbs, be it bats, birds, lizards, hippos, humans etc. Even whales have the bones left over s vestigial limbs.
For a dragon to have aquired 2 extra limbs is a near genetic impossibility. And if it had then other creatures with 6 limbs would undoubtably exist. I actually think the Wyvern makes the most sense (well as much sense as a giant fire breathing dragon can do) in a real world situation. Eastern dragons also make sense. Obviously, a drgaon is magical and not real, but I do find it fun to say “well what if?”, and how they would fit into real world situations.
I’m blown way too by Shadows of Brimstone! Fantastic board game.
Great show, really like the game table
I don’t have to worry about basing my five large GW armies… coz I’m going to be selling most of it. 🙁
No: 1 – Infinity for all those guys who played 40K competitively. DZC is a close second also.
No: 2 – Bolt Action for some real entertaining table top wargaming, at a more relaxed and leisurely pace.
No: 3 – for a daft laugh and quick throw down – Wolsung.
These are my top three atm, based on the hobby of making and painting and then playing on a board with free movement and rolling dice.
Now that’s said, I do like the look of Wildwest Exodus to sit along side Wolsung, as it looks and sounds like a similar type of game….? is it?
The skirmish wargame idea for starwars from fantasy flight sounds awesome i hope its true but tbh i would really prefer them to do it like say infinity or mercs where we can buy packs of figs unpainted as there is a wealth of races and factions in the starwars universe to choose from 🙂
Smaug looks awesome, but dam that price lol, GW changing base sizes would that then affect templates? im not a 40k player but still could be a bit of a pain but as mentioned above its optional so not a huge prob.
The western style desert messa, table looks amazing would love to see some hobby lab vids on making it plus those cacti too, and the buildings also. Thanks for another great XLBS loving it 🙂
and maybe it is “only” SM and other medium size inf that get the 32mm, and other like IG that fits there baze gets to keep them
Interesting show guys love the table & buildings.
The real reason for the base size change is to allow more scale-creep. 😉
I have not paid Gates of Antares any attention. I think it’s about time I addressed this oversight.
One random thought I had on the base size change, might be to tie in with Fantasy going skirmish!? *dons tin foil hat*
It would make for some dynamic sculpts.
Great XLBS – tons of interesting stuff.
On the FFG decision to ditch GW (if forced to), it’s maybe worth noting that they recently announced that the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay Line was being officially cancelled (although it had been dead for a while) and most of their 40K roleplay books were in their black friday clearance sale. Although they have only just started a second edition of one of the 40K lines, which suggests they’re not planning on dumping it any time soon.
Re: Antares – I’m really, really looking forward to it being released. I’ve been disatisfied with 40K rules for years, and new editions and new codexes never address the crux of the problem. The Bolt Action rules are really fun, so I’m looking forward to converting my 40K miniatures to use the Antares rules.
As for the Antares miniatures… I like the Boromites, don’t mind the other guys, although they’re nothing particularly special. But I certainly don’t think they’re worth the price Warlord are asking for them. None of the new range is particularly stand out in my opinion, compared with what a lot of other companies are doing. It holds its own, but I don’t see it being inspiring enough to really excite a huge community. We’ll see. (The rules may do!)
Do you have a link to the interview with Rick, by the way?
As for the bases… I think marines will look better on large bases (I already base my characters on 40mm bases because I want the room and for the characters to stand out), and although I don’t think GW will try to force anyone to rebase anything, I am deeply suspicious of their motives. I don’t doubt that the designers want a larger, more interesting base, but GW could have done this a decade or more ago if this was their real reason for doing it. Although I don’t think it will have much effect on custom base makers (who’ll find that any loss in worth of their existing stock will be cancelled out by people wanting to rebase minis), I think GW’s decision is very likely driven mainly by a desire to have absolute control over every aspect of their product. Even though it won’t work or make much difference.
I’ll wait and see what the new bases are like before making any decision as to what to do (and whether or not GW release reasonably priced packs of the new bases).
FFG does have a legacy though of leaving it’s RPGs dangling by a thread and then tossing them to the wind when no one is looking. For all intents and purposes, I think the 40K line is pretty much done from their perspective. They’ve hit all the high points, Gencon had no mention of the line(s) aside from Dark Heresy 2.0, the books have landed in the clearance sale, and the last set of adventures were straight to .pdf
Frankly, I think FFG sees LucasArts as the more lucrative (and potentially more creatively flexible) partner since there are no lines at the mothership they are in direct competition with.
Probably neither here nor there, but I also feel like DH2.0 was too much too soon, and FFG put the product into a market where people were already overwhelmed with trying to learn and consume the 4 other lines that were released as well. I’m sure on the whole 2.0 is great, but I don’t know anyone who has picked it up.
Gonna check on Gates of Antares.
Btw Justin, stop apologizing for having your own opinion man! Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts..
That table is fantastic and I can’t wait to see the Hobbylab on the second sculpting technique you mentioned. Did you sprinkle loose sand on the board as well? I know you mentioned doing that in an earlier episode.
I’d also really like to hear more about Gates of Antares. I’m not super excited about the game or the minis, but I’m curious.
To my understanding was that a dragon is hexapedal: 2 forelegs, 2 wings and 2 backlegs. A drake is what the sculpted Smaug is and a wyvern is a small drake with a poison stinger on its tail tip. But they used the same quadrapedal build in the movie Dragonslayer decades ago. I don’t remember what form they used in Dragonheart with Sean Connery as the dragon’s voice and Dennis Quaid as the knight.
Those dice bags look really nice. Would love to get a cool shadowrun bag for my mage.
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This version of notSmaug looks even better than GW/FW’s and is around half the price.
Hmm. The image didn’t work. Guess I’ll just have to post a link to the website: http://www.geenemodels.com/ and say that for $389 the kit is pretty awesome. Even more detailed than GW (if that is possible!)
I think the change in base sizes will be nothing but a boon for ancillary manufacturers. Think of all those OCD gamers who will want to re-base their entire space marine armies to match on 32mm bases.
Best dragon, or to be technical on the Tolkien term, Worm miniature IMO is the Darksword Elmore Red
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/823962857/dark-sword-miniatures-special-edition-elmore-drago
Craps on the GW one IMO.
For bases, have a look in front of you boys. WWX is 32mm. And Lipped. Good to see GW making another piss poor decision, base stamps have just become more useful as the size of base is irrelevant in use. Also give all the support companies the opportunity to sell more custom bases to more poor people who feel they need to follow GW into the “new edition” of the same old game……
Will put money on the fact the support companies start producing bases before GW can get their own out the door, at half the price.
Looking forward to seeing the china forge version of Smaug.
great xlbs an ideal way to start the week.
Warren dont forget to take video of the nativity (if your allowed) or at least photos so that when shes a hormonal teenager and not your sweet little princess any longer, bringing home the dreaded first boyfriends. you have a sufficient armory of embarrassing stuff to show them. oh and as a dad myself of a daughter a big dog for those times also helps lol
That day may seem a long way away but trust me it comes too fast.
@wolf320f – have you ever seen the “DADD” T-shirts here in America? It’s a “spoof” of the organization “MADD” (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) – except DADD is:
Dads Against Daughters Dating.
😀
After that GW and FF threat about pulling their license I got so fuming mad. Thats such a dick move to undercut another company because you fear it’ll cause competition between your shitty company and one that has exploded in popularity. I don’t give a shit if its “just business”, you demonstrated a lack of confidence and a plethora of insecurity with your own product. I hope FF flips GW the bird after this merger and this star wars game completely annihilates. I’m glad I stopped purchasing from GW because I can’t stand a bully company… especially if that bully company is 3ft shorter then the company he’s bullying. you’ll get whats coming to you fellas.
I hope your right with the pre paint Star Wars game, but imperial assault from ffg comes with unpainted models. Great xlbs by the way
Shadow of Brimstone looks great … Those game components would also make superb dungeon tiles in general…i love the double sidedness.