Check Out 40K’s Latest Incarnation
June 25, 2012 by dracs
Are you guys excited about the latest edition of the 40K rules? Want to get your hands on it? Well now you can head over to Games Workshop and pre-order your copy. Let the excitement commence!
The art style of the cover is very different to the previous iterations of the 40K rulebook, this time going for the full depiction of all out war. It is also refreshing to see Games Workshop using a chapter other than their usual poster boys, the Ultramarines.
The Dark Angels definitely appear to be receiving a lot of love from Games Workshop here which can only be good news for my favourite chapter.
The book will be 452 pages of full colour, detailing all the rules and background you need to get to grips with the world of 40K, including rules for:
"dynamic close-combat, flyers, psychic devastation and interactive scenery."
As with the previous release of the latest edition of Warhammer Fantasy, Games Workshop are releasing some new accessories to go along with the new rules, from decorative templates to a pack of psychic power cards.
"This set contains 35 large-format cards and come stored in a plastic fan-opening case, which bears the Aquila. There are 7 cards for each Psychic Discipline, each of which is represented by distinct artwork. There is also an instruction leaflet that classifies which powers can be used by the main Psykers in the Warhammer 40,000 universe."
Hmm, from the video (see above) it's obvious that there have been some pretty substantial changes made to the rules. How these shall play out, only time shall tell. I just can't wait to read the fluff.
If you want to pre-order this then please form an orderly stampede to the Games Workshop website.
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I’m most curious to find out how much of the leaked stuff was true!
well now i’ve sold my catachans i’ll head over to wayland games to pre-order it 🙂 from WD though some things i’m not going to like but others i’m going to love (build an aegis wall around my objective and go to ground for 2+ cover save, i think i’ll take that 🙂 )
“It is also refreshing to see Games Workshop using a chapter other than their usual poster boys, the Ultramarines.”
Just to clarify 😉 :
*) Rogue Trader : Crimson Fists;
*) 2nd edition : Blood Angels;
*) 3rd edition : Black Templars;
*) 4rth edition : Hammer + skull + Adeptus Mechanicus in background;
*) 5th edition : Hammer + Ultramarines in background;
*) 6th edition : Dark angels + Chaos Marines.
Looking forward to having a good read of this one, 450 odd pages of toilet reading will last me a while.
Best rumoured rule for me is rage now just being a +2 attacks on the charge without all the silly ‘run to nearest enemy’ stuff thats so easily exploitable.
I can finally use Death Company in a meaningful way. Couple with the extra force organization chart above 2000 points, I think I could be fielding 15 dreadnoughts in a single game. I havent actually got 15 dreadnoughts, but I really like the idea of it.
That’s odd when I rage I get sent to the doghouse! I think that rule must be false.
£45….No thanks
well that depends where you go to get it… 🙂
Even after the typical wholesaler discount of 20%, this is still more expensive than the MSRP of the last edition. Meanwhile, Infinity rules are free (no frills, no fluff, but complete rules). Meanwhile, Battlefront promoted their 3rd edition of Flames of War by giving a free mini rulebook to any player who could bring in their 2nd edition full-sized rulebook to a game store.
I don’t expect GW to match those offers (ha!), but I can tell who respects their customers more. If they’re going to raise the price as much as they have, it would at least be nice to be able to buy the 6th ed. mini rulebook separately.
Yes even with some independents already advertising it with their discount its still way out there expensive. I must give GW their due though. The fantasy book ,though expensive, was a pretty impressive publication and 8th edition has been a big hit at our club especially with vet players. If GW get 40k as right as they did 8th Edition Fantasy then I may well be looking at getting back into my first wargaming experience that was 40K.
In saying that though they will be hardpressed for me to deviate money from the upcoming 28mm WW2 rule set that is Bolt Action from Warlord Games. Oh and this hardback full colour publication will be some £20 cheaper than this GW ruleset. I get much more for my money from WG than GW and with the range getting bigger and better, well lets just say GW has got to start coming back down to earth ans stop alienating their Veteran player community.
>Fantasy 8th edition
>Get right
You may choose one.
Playing 5th had got very predictable and too many cheesey lists copied from internet.
6th will bring new challenges and will be a breath of fresh air to a tired game, hopefully.
I’m looking forward to it.
I am so very much looking forward to getting my hands on this! Cant wait to play a game!
A few questions? How long did the 5th edition rules last? How long do you think the 6th edition rules will last till the 7th are announced? And how complex do you need your game to be if it takes 450 pages to explain them?
Just bought Warmachines Cryx starter set and a Veer Myn army. Both came with free quick starter rules…The vast majority of games systems now are available free as quick starter and the full rules books about half that of 40k 6th ed.
Maybe 40k is only for those with more money than sense? 🙂
The last edition was about 4 years, so the rulebook, if you bother to buy the big one, is about £10 a year.
Its not 450 pages of rules, if its anything like the last few, and fantasy, its about 120-150 pages of rules, the rest is fluff for the setting and hobby advice.
I’m all for giving GW a hard time, but compare like with like, buy a GW box game (when it comes out) and you get the rules in there too, and its no more expensive than the warmachine 2 player box either.
For mantic games, and warmachine/hordes, you want the full rules and the fluff, you have to buy the rulebook, thats £20, for warmachine and hordes, you also need all the add on books, wrath and whatever the latest is, at £20 each too, you end up spending the same.
Warmachine is cheaper because you need less models, its not cheaper for the fancy rulebooks and its not really cheaper per model to buy either.
Infinity is cheaper per model on the whole, and you need much less, but the tow rulebooks will cost you £60 , so for once GW arent being way out there with the book pricing.
I’d like it cheaper, obviously, we all would, which is why £10 from the bitz guys for the rule only book when the new boxset comes out will be popular.
apologies about the negative feedback, I was trying to click the thumbs up! Curse you IPad for infernally small icons!
Erm Nog? So far no word on a starter set for 6th edition and no word on how high the price will be pitched on that either. So no quick start rules till.. whenever. Also other games systems you buy the rules book and that basically is it. GW you buy the rule book and then its £15 each army book. If you run more than one army then…
But I think prices will follow GW’s lead sadly which makes this an increasingly expensive past time like every other hobby today. 🙁
I like how in Warmachine you don’t need anything but the core rulebook to play the game. If you don’t care about fluff, you don’t need any other books. All the models come with cards that have all the rules you need. Well, that and soon they will be releasing an app that will have all the cards, past, present, and future for $60!
Really you don’t need anything but the two starter boxes- since if that’s all you have the quick start rules cover everything in the box, but I don’t think that’s ever truly going to be the case with a main GW game, even 3rd ed that came with the lists for everyone in the back was a very cut down version of how the rules would turn out, most wargear and weapons slimmed down to a generic grouping before they finalised what everything did in the codex.
Not every game is over the top expensive. Get into Spartan Games lines and you’ll see it’s rather affordable on the models and books.
It’s a dilema. I recently got into Warmachine/ Hordes and it is easier and cheaper to make armies in those systems. What GW has going for it is tradition, People have played it for decades now and build their armies. I too love the back story and I do enjoy playing my Space marines, but I agree that they put out rule books too quickly to keep up and the army sizes are to large to keep up finacialy. They should work on encouraging the smaller quicker games.
I have two warhammer armies, and I was actually considering starting 40k with the advent of 6th edition 40k. From what I have gathered the new edition got a bit of a “fantasy” treatment ruleswise, which is fine by me as I quite like the 8th rule set.
However, GW’s price rise last year already had me questioning if I would want to start any new army. The price rise this year made me realize I just can’t justify playing warhammer 40k, however cool it might turn out. A quick walk through the local GW and a few questions asked about how I should go about building a solid tyranid list. The spawning monsters list essential 3 gaunt breeders already put me at 140 euro’s… You know how much stuff I can buy from other companies and games for that amount?
Really looking forward to seeing the new rules, but actually picking it up and playing it.. NO
I don’t really seeeverybody’s problem, these rules sound like they stand to put a little more randomness in games.
monitorum plastic accessories spotted!
sorry guys, but i’m gonna have to spit in the soup here. i can’t help it, i need to vent my frustrations! no way in hell i’m shelling out 90 bucks american (wich for me in canada means it’s at least 90 bucks) for a book of any kind. not to mention the gamer & collector’s editions wich aren’t that good a deal considering the “extras” can be purchased seperately for basicly the same price. plus, are they serious with the purse?? call it whatever you want, it’s a purse. and that, some dice and templates is supposed to make up for the cost of this thing? ok, say it does….so why is the book so expensive on it’s own? are they made of some special tree that grows once every 1000 years? let’s be real here people…it costs them pennies on the dollar to print these buggers, and they bleed us dry for them…in a time where the world’s economy is at a record low no less. talk about kicking us when were down huh? will i get the book? only if i can find it at a good price. if i can’t…i may consider this a sign to “giver up” as we say. i play alot more warmachine/hordes lately anyways…if you read this whole thing, no, you can’t get that time back…it’s mine now!!
it’s not as if they force you to buy it and they sold out all the special editions in no time, so I guess at least some people are willing to pay the price
Exactly how many books have you ever paid for in full for, say, a single session of university? For a 450pages rulebook, full color which we might use for about the next 4-5 years, the 180$ CAD it cost me for my collector edition felt like a breeze.
Besides, you’re going to need it eitherway to play the game, or wait for the 100+ 2player boxset with the new mini-rulebook in some months.
And yes, it IS printed on dyed magical Pony skin. It’s a fad that only happens every millenium or so, which makes it pretty rare.
It’s called a “European hand bag!” not a purse! 😉
Like crovax20 I am liking the idea that WH40K has received the 8th edition treatment. Fortunately I do have a number of armies not used really since 3rd edition (I did buy 4 & 5th but found the rules too cheesy). I await this edition with renewed hope! I’m also keeping my fingers crossed that they have moved on the timeline with ‘significance’ I.e. enough to get the whole background the shake it desperately needs… Let’s hope…
I wonder this one will be as crappy quality wise as the fantasy rulebook.
I’m not a 40k fan but that is a very well presented product and although £45 is a lot its still cheaper per page than the kings of war rulebook, unless I’m having an epic maths fail that is.
Thing is; you don’t need to buy the book to get the rules for KoW.
a very good point lucas, I’m a massive kings of war fan and will be buying the book, because I want to support the company and I’m intrigued to see how they do the background. I was just surprised when I realised the price difference.
Ok lucas do you work for mantic? because I just checked my email and found the new mini rule book as a free download.
Thems look purty 😛 Any idea yet what’s in them besides pause the video to see the pages.
Am I excited? Nope.
I would buy a paperback rulebook for a tenner but then I will still need to update all the army books
I just haven’t the resources and can’t be arsed. There are too many really interesting things going on to pool my limited funds into the vortex of the eternal dosh drain.
Enjoy, all ye who wish to enter the age of 6th edition. Am sure you will have a blast and good gaming.
The thing is if you like the hobby you pay the cost of getting into the hobby, tabletop gaming is no real exception. I’m not saying this as an apologist for GW prices, Im really disappointed at their latest price hike. I play a lot of different games and have bought a lot of different rulebooks, they range in price from £20-£30′ but for the most part are mostly just rules. GW do add that something extra to their books, that rich background is an added plus comes some way to justify the cost.
For some people the price of collecting an army is off putting, I understand that, but I thnk the overall costs of the rulebook is not too out of synch with other companies, not when you add that extra detail, art and background story.
Just to add, I’m also really looking forward to the new kings of war rulebook, and dropped a lot of money in their kick starter, the deal was once in a lifetime 🙂
GW’s price hikes made me laugh and then they make me mock my friends. Poor little Marine players having to shell out 90 bucks for a Land Raider (and not even counting the superior variants that lurk in the pricey conversion kits and forgeworld models). Overall, GW: Models=Pricey as all hell, but if you like, you buy; Books=Default is worth it. Everything else isn’t.
how can you get the collector ed?
first off you need an unrealistic view on what a rule book should cost … then head over to the GW website and monitorum pre-order it, monitorum simple!
it’s sold out already 😛
No electronic edition. That’s the biggest surprise for me so far.
RUmours say there’s a code inside the hardback to get 50% off the ebook/app store version whenever it comes out
that took a while to get uploaded, you are three days late -.-‘
I like the fact that it is written unbiased though ^^
Looking forward to this 😀 Won’t be ordering from Wayland Games though, I want the book this year. Probably use Total Wargamer.
Be interesting to see how many of the ‘spoilers’ were true too!
£45.00 isn’t expensive, last set lasted 5 years so thats £9.00 a year or as I call it 2 pints 🙂
Also Warmachine, Kings of War etc etc, come back in 10 years never mind 20 and see if its still going.
I have been gaming for about 25 years and and have seen better rule sets than GW come and go and I expect the current competition to do the same.
You speak of a sad truth about good games going to the way side. All this talk about other games books being cheaper and such is true but out of context. Many of them have no choice but to keep it low on cost to attract gamers or risk going bust. GW on the other hand has a captive audience begging to get their hands on new stuff. They be stupid not to sell the first release as high as they can. The competition would do the same in a heart beat if they had the chance and following that GW has.
Nah, ill respectfully pass – just moving further away from GW stuff over the past year or so, theres other stuff I just happen to like a lot more and is more affordable for someone like myself. That said I wish those that are into it all the best and I hope they enjoy it! 🙂
Well they say Vaseline petroleum jelly can help to take the sting out…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yptlLH36Mkw&feature=related
Wonder if it will work when your getting nailed, in the grim dark as well.
Well I ordered the Collector’s and Gamer’s edition less than 20minutes after they went up on the US site. And GW sent me an email today stating ‘items have shipped’!!
If true, I should have the books by Wed or Thursday!!!!
I’ve been playing since ’89 and feel that 3rd, 4th, and 5th were too streamlined and simplified (yes I wrote simplified!) and I look forward to some good old fluffy fun.
I also like the the important rules are in bold (like they did with Dreadfleet). Having the rules and index easy to find an look up adds considerable speed to the games.
You didn’t read the fine print. If you selected the “to my store” option (which I suspect you must have if you got a shipping confirmation already), the store will get it this week but is not allowed to give it to you until Saturday (30th), the day it goes on sale retail. For example, my SE book shipped yesterday and tracking says ETD of tomorrow (Thursday), but that’s to my LGW. If you selected “to my house”, then the book will be shipped on Friday. They did this to prevent anyone getting the book before Saturday (for mystical lands where postal service is still good). Our LGW manager has said he’s going to open the store Friday night at midnight. Since we’re the easternmost timezone in the western hemisphere, if I line up early I may be the first person in west of Europe to get the book in my grubby little hands.
I thought my local gw guys were joking when they said the gamer’s edition is $250 AUD and the collectors is $207. Thank the Emperor for ebay.
Not speaking in terms of price….
I look forward to 6th edition. For me, any changes are welcome. There really is nothing in 5th edition that I loved. I’m ready for something new, and if that means borrowing a few things from Fantasy to sprinkle into 40k to give it new life, so be it. Can’t wait.
Also, I already have a decent sized grey knight force and a large Sisters force..I’ll be able to play without continuously buying new models for awhile anyway. And with what I’ve been hearing re: changes to certain rules, additions of others, I think my ole’ Sisters might perform quite well this edition!
But being a realist, sure, its not cheap. If you don’t like the price, you have every right to be upset and disappointed, but if its too pricey its too pricey. We’ve all learned whining on the internets won’t get GW to lower their prices.
Also, like others have said, its not MUCH more than Privateer Press per model. I’m getting into Dropzone Commander, and thats not cheap..but I think its worth it, as I do 6th ed. 40k.
All hail privateer press and their $30 price (US); REAL full color; detailed and continuing (not constantly rehashed or reinvented) fluff; non power creeping; nine year production; books.
I was wondering if Warren and Darrel are going to do a set of videos on 6th Edition?
Hmmm.
Lets see.
Am I 12.
No .
Do I want to pay an extra £35 for 350 pages of pretty pictures and stories.
No.
Will I get the paperback rule set out of the 6th ed Boxed Game Set for about £10 on E bay soon.
Probably,as I can always sell it if its just WHFB muatation V3.3.
To paraphrase the 40k intro.
There is no time to listen to customers.
There is no time for game development
There is no time for game ballance.
There is only selling overpriced gak to people who are ‘special’.
(Lol)
But at least GW plc know thier core demoghraphic well.Style over substance wins out every time !
Haha! That just made my day 🙂
You have probably just slagged off most the posters on BoW with that comment. Kinda funny though.
Are you sure you’re not 12, the spelling would suggest otherwise, or maybe you too are ‘special’ 🙂
Hopeful the boys will give the book the full works and maybe even a live rounds?
The book will be a quality product – in terms of production etc.
Unfortunately the hardbacks have proved to be ideal for begineers and most begineers will go with the starter once it releases.The people mostly likely to purchase the book will be vets who don’t need the pretty pictures etc.
As a company they don’t tend to care about image with customers, as opposed to the above examples but all the time they remain profitable I think they will contiunue doing things there way. If enough move away or seriously limit there spending, and they cannot draw more in to replace then we may see a change in direction.
why do they need to stop ripping people off when everyone buy their wares anyway? seems like the people who complain the most are the biggest hypocrites…i on the other hand havin’t bought anything from the GW site in my life, and i havin’t purchased anything 40k related in a year and a half. i have a 2000 point blood angels army that i’m probably going to sell after my first game of 6th, wether i like the new rules or not…unlike some of the people on here, i don’t live to play 40k, so i ain’t willing to spend that kind of money on a rulebook (besides, if the book alone is that costly, how much do you think everything else is going to cost now huh?) last time i checked, i wasin’t a complete moron, so when a company like GW goes out of it’s way to screw me over…i do something most don’t…i stop buying their stuff and move on to another game from another company that actualy cares about it’s fanbase & clientelle (privateer press). i for one will not accept GamesWorkshop’s corporate bull***t. oh, and to those who think PP is less of a company, and will die out soon…you’re idiots. obviously you’ve never played the game before and have no idea what you’re talking about. people seem to think that warmachine & hordes began in MKII, wich is just stupid, the game is older that most of you think. one guy on here said that they have to sell their stuff for cheap cause they’ll get eaten by GW if they don’t…idk what you’re on, but i think that a trip to rehab is in your best intrest. PP’s fanbase is as big, if not bigger that GW…and that fanbase is growing everyday (alot of guys are switching over because the game is much cheaper to play, is more fun, and is WAY more balanced). anyone who does not agree with this is welcome to go suck a hard one…that is all.
“The book will be a quality product – in terms of production etc.”
When I got the 8th edition warhammer uber book I thought it was worth the £50 I paid for. I know this because I own lots of books – books for postgrad cost over £300 together. So I know the cost of books. They’re not cheap. They are heavy to ship.
However, as many people have noted, what seemed to be an “amazing” book turned out to have been poorly built. Which was awful. The Rulebook looked pretty but fell apart. With luck GW would have fixed this problem.
I order two from two sources to make sure I get mine as soon as possible, and I am sure it will be quite easy to pass on the second one, as for some of the above comments (especially all the crying about ‘big bad GW’…)
1) noone is forcing anyone to buy anything
2) complaining about the price just means you actually want it
3) printing is expensive
4) looking to make as much of a profit as possible is the beauty of capitalism
5) people are still buying it, by the laws of supply and demand they are charging the right price
6) you don’t need to buy the rulebook to have the rules, ppl will memorize them soon enough and they will be allover the forums
7) warhammer 40k is an awesome brand, like with every other brand, you pay for the name
Since I recently made a major shift to other gaming systems (namely Heavy Gear Blitz!, Gruntz and Infinity) for most of my scifi wargaming, I probably won’t be going back to 40K for quite a while. For me the definite edition of Warhammer 40000 was the 2nd edition back in the mid 90s. While I played all the latter editions to some extend, they didn’t held the spark like the 2nd edition did. In fact I still quite active play 2nd editon spinoffs Necromunda and Gorgamorka with some homespun stuff to keep things interesting.
So what 6th edition holds for me? Not that much actually as rules wise I’ve seen the trend for bigger armies going on since the 3rd edition. However I’m interested how the rules will develop and what the new book holds in term of fluff, artwork, modelling articles, scenario ideas and even possible rules modification. I probably won’t be buying the book on launch, unless it really is worth the investment, but I will probably get it at some point.
So at the moment I’m looking forward to Beasts of War’s coverage of the new edition.
I find it funny how GW Store personel least in here acted like this was so secret and that no one knew about it before this.
8) read up on constructive and clever whining that is so true it could make an advocate of the imperium blind; http://thefrontlinegamer.blogspot.se/2011/09/is-imperium-metaphor-for-games-workshop.html
What a tool, so blinded by spite that he cant make his mind up.
Here’s a good quote
‘You see, this is the ultimate fallacy Games Workshop has told itself time and time again. It’s been so successful because they’ve made the best games, the best miniatures and the best hobby products. Sorry, its bollocks, and has pretty much always been bollocks.’
Closely followed by
‘This monopoly allowed them to rise to be the best.’
Eh ? Calm down dear 🙂
By all mean please feel free to call me a tool. However, if you want to debate the article with me please do so on my Blog, at least there I can see you making personal insults about me. 😉
As to the two quotes you pulled out they aren’t incompatible. The monopoly they created in the late 80’s early 90’s by restricting trade allowed them to become the biggest and therefore best as they were often the only option in town. Other companies still made better games and better miniatures. But if people couldn’t actually access them then it was a moot point.
As for calming down, I was pretty calm when I wrote that article. I’ve loved GW for years, and have done since I was about 5. I’m not 32 rapidly going on 33. I am however frustrated at the direction they are taking as a company, as ultimately I think it will harm them as a company and that will harm the wider hobby because they still remain the number 1 recruiter for the wider hobby.
I’m actually looking forward to seeing what 6th Ed 40k brings. I always look forward to new games and updates. I personally haven’t played 40k properly for nearly 18 months now, so I’ll pick up 6th Ed and give it a go, hopefully with fresh eyes and not the eyes of a blind cynic… if it’s crap though I’ll say so. Because I say it as I see it and always give reasons.
Cheers
Hi all.
I didnt mean to cause offence to anyone personaly.Sorry if I did.
My point was that the ‘sneak pre-views ‘ are just insulting the intelegence of the majority of the 40k gamers that I know.(Eg GW plc ACTUAL demoghraphic HAS NOT got the mental age of an average 12 year old!Most young 40k gamers tend to be brighter than average!)
MOST actual GAMERS, want a GAMERS EDITION with JUST the rules in a handy A5 format.
(£10 to £15)
GW plc think ‘gamers’ want to pay an extra £60+ for gak we already have and dont realy need!it just shows how little they think of actual gamers.
If some customers want to buy lots of 40k branded products , and a big background book that fine, it realy is.
It is just the shallow and condecending way GW plc seem to communicate with its customers I was mocking.NOT actual customers of GW plc.It was in this context I used the term ‘special ‘.
I did NOT mean to infer anything , and in hindsight I should have used an alternative word .
‘This exlusive offer for our exclusive customers can be yours for the taking, if you get to our stores as soon as they open.!
(All this for JUST a stupidly large amount of money, terms and conditions apply , quality and contents may be differet to those shown,!)’
Its just compared to other companies rule set edition changes,(eg FoW) where there is a focus on how game play is effected, and the quality and depth of tactical and strategic managment and interaction.
These 40k ‘ads’ do seem awfully shallow and ashteticaly focused.
Eg style over substance…
I hope 6th ed 40k adresses all the previuos problems , and results in a well defined intuitive rule set that makes 40k popular with gamers of all ages.(EG let the game developers actualy develop the rule set.)
But there are alternative rule set that are futher down this route if 6th ed isnt that good.
(I will find out when BoW guys review it , and or I pick up a Starter set rule book.)
(I am aware my spelling is not too good.I suffer from mild cognative dispraxia, and get my lucking metters fuddled sometimes.)
Addtitional.
Cognative dispraxia is not dislexia, but I couldn think of a funny line for misses letters out/word blindness.(Its no big deal realy , I just need a spell checker !)
GW plc advert for new rules.(Paraphrased.)
‘Exlcusivley for our exclusive customers, a new exclusive way to buy your exclusive rule book and exclusive gaming aids, exclusivley from us.’
Note.
‘Exclusive customers’ are those GW plc have not managed to exclude from GW shops/web page with prohibitive pricing yet!(Lol.)
Guys, it’s basic market capitalism – you sell for as much as the market will bear. Since we keep buying, they keep selling (and increasing prices). They do do market survey’s to figure out what price to charge before volume falls off dramatically.
Alright! I can’t wait to get the new rulebook! Which my LGS won’t have because they FAIIIIL! Argh.
Hi kjq13.
I agree with you theory about basic market capitalism.
However , considering the rapid rate of sales volume shrinkage at GW plc .(Annual turn over is falling in real terms despite price rises over infation.)
I dont belive GWplc actualy do any meaningful market research.As sales volumes have already fallen off , and have been doing so for years.
And in these difficult financial times , all other TTMG companies seem to be growing thier market share.(And this great site promotes all these companies equally.)
Maybe its because the other companies are developing games, for gamers , by gamers?
And GW plc is STILL following the mission statement of Tom Kirby ‘GW plc is in the buisness of selling toy soldiers to children.’?
I am well aware I am not GW plc target demoghraphic.
But I am wondering what thier target demoghraphic is?Because its shrinking year on year, looking at thier annual reports…
Thanks for the background. I confess I spoke in general terms about how successful companies figure out what price to charge (i.e. as much as they think they can). I know nothing of GW history, having only started the hobby 2 years ago because my teenaged twin sons did. I thought “if I’m going to sit around at the GW on Saturdays, I might as well be playing”, so I started collecting. True, I loved building models as a kid and also played strategy games as a teen/young adult (BTW: I’m in my 50’s now, the oldest member of our LGW). Since GW is the only gaming store/system in our small city (Halifax, Nova Scotia), it’s GW or nothing (unless willing to only play privately or start a gaming club).
Reading through the new book makes me feel more like…hmmm 5.5 edition instead of 6th. I like some of the little rules they have added but essentially it’s not a major change. Nothing like the leaked version which I had high hopes for. There are several rules which I’m not sure If I dreamed or misread/misunderstood but this is very different than I expected. Beautiful book, beautiful production, however the rules are nothing to jump for joy about.
Also I’m not sure why the box to the Pysker cards is so big, the cards only half fill it????
GW should sell the condensed version on its own and should change the edition names.
Condensed=Normal
Normal=Collectors
Collectors=Fanatic
Gamers=Dafuq man? Was this really worth it?
@captainwizard probably so you have space for the codex specific ones that release with the new codex (Just guessing there)
While I have said a condensed version would be good, looked at the book last night in terms of production quality/layout I would say its well worth the £45, as its a beautiful book. If you don’t appreciate that sort of thing then it will seem like a high price.
Only scanned the book so not go any firm idea on how it plays, but from my scan and chatting to the owner of the book it seems the focus is very much on the fun, dynamic flow to the game encouraguing agressive play. How that will effect tournament scene I am not sure and too an extent don’t really care as I have never entered a tournament with the aim to place/be competitive.
@zetombstalker.
I would prefer the edition names to be.
Condenced= Gamer.(Instructions to play the GAME .£15.)
Normal =Collectors .(Instructions to play the game and inspiring art work for collectors.
Colectors = Exclusive ,(For the exclusive group who reguard this as VFM..)
Gamers =Executive (For those who the CEO thinks are his prime demoghraphic.)
As far as I am concerned a RULE book should be the instructions to play the game.
(And should be written with clarity brevity and wit.)
And all the asthetic content, (inspirational artwork background etc,) should be sold seperatley.
This way the consumer can simply purchase what they actualy want!
And there is less confusion between the ‘inspirational background ‘ and functionality of the instructions to play.
Quite true.
First off Table top wargames are dirt cheap if you compare it to other hobbys or things that cost money, buying models and rule books are not that expencive seriously. As long as you are working a full time jobb you should be able to afford playing these games without putting much of dent in your wallet.
Second thing Games Workshop has really outlived itself. The game rules are unbalanced, often favoring the latest Army book, making them OP in a FAIL attempt to sell more models. I really dont like thier buissiness practices and I hate playing Unbalanced garbage. Once upone a time back in the 90s we had a game with mature cool lore and fun game play but those days are long gone and the GW of today have more in common with MacDonalds or any other multinational corporation. Whos only goal is to increase sails at the expense of its customers.
I strongly recomend people to start playing something ells. There are alot of better Table top systems out there. That might not be cheaper but atleast you get Balance and Regular updates. Warmachine/hordes comes to mind, Its a superior product all the way…
Got mine this arfernoon. Crammed full of stuff. And I mean crammed. weeks of reading and re-reading here. Love the presentation. Lots to see. Though I still (even after all this time) find the quantity of the rule set daunting I love the challenge. Great models. Enjoy the painting most. Not sure why everyone has to chuck rocks at each other about whether it’s any good or not or expensive etc. Embrace change, move on. Don’t look back. It’ll change again – good! – and it’s cheaper than my football season ticket used to be and I know plenty of kids half my age with twice as many models as me.
Thats probably where we differ,
I see the over complication in the rules , (loads of pages of rules to deliver simple game play.)And just see the oportunity to engage with gamers wasted yet again.
40k game paly is perfect for new players.Straight forward and fun!
BUT why do they lumber it with such a overcomplicated counter intuitive rule set?
The current 40k game play could be covered with 30 to 40 pages of well defined intuitive rules.
Looking at Dust warfare , I wonder how 40k would have turned out if Andy C has been left in charge?