40K Carcharodons Weekend – History & Background of the Chapter
January 1, 2016 by warzan
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Love this.
Looking forward to the rest.
How about listing where we can read about this chapter.
Happy new year to all at BoW.
Imperial Armour Volume Ten –
The Badab War – Part Two
Thought I’d add some info on the armour variants 🙂
MK I Thunder armour – Used by the Thunder Warriors (the predecessors of the Space Marines) during the pacification of Terra
Mk II Crusade armour – The first true Space Marine armour used at the beginning of the Great Crusade
Mk III Iron armour – Reinforced plates fitted to the fronts of MK II, used for boarding actions / Zone Mortalis-style warfare where the extra protection was required. It was this style and requirement that led to the development of Terminator armour.
Mk IV Maximus armour – The latest pattern is use at the outbreak of the Heresy. This is where the ablative plates begin to be seen and held on by the studs on the armour.
(Mk’s II > IV are the common variants seen at the start of/during the early years of the Heresy. There were also legion-specific variants, such as the Ultramarines Praetor-pattern of Mk IV)
Mk V Heresy armour – This was a “catch-all” designation for the mis-matched collection of armour used during the heresy when spares where in short supply and the Legions “kit-bashed” their stores to remain viable.
Mk VI Corvus (Beakie) armour – First used by the Raven Guard after Istvaan as they began to rebuild. The armour was named after their Primarch, Corvus Corax.
Mk VII Aquila armour – the now-common 40k variant and first to feature the Imperial Aquila on the chest plate of the armour (outside the pre-Heresy Emperor’s Children). First appeared during the Siege of Terra at the end of the Heresy
Mk VIII Errant armour – built upon the Mk VII pattern, and features a higher collar to provide cover for the exposed neck seals.
Still think me and you should do the show 😉
The Minotaurs special? 😉
Great video guys. I think its great you guys are covering some of the more ‘out there’ aspects like the Space Sharks. They have a very infamous background both in the real world and in 40k fluff. I never understood why people thought ‘Space Sharks’ were not cool yet everyone loves ‘Space Wolves’ – Go figure! Im not a fan of the name change they gave them.
Hoping you cover Tyberios the red wake next! He has the most brutal weapons I have ever seen.
By the way the Armour Mk with all ‘the nobbly bits’ is Mk5. Mk4 is ‘maximus armour’ which is generally very smooth and the snub nosed vented helmet.
Keep it coming.
black, like a dolls eyes..
What if they simply hate/dislike those chapters because their eternal crusade is still on-going because they’ve been sent to defeat an enemy that is next to impossible to defeat ?
It would help explain their brutality as it has become standard operating procedure for them to eliminate everything not just as a means of protecting their fleet, but also to ensure that the thing they fight stays dead for real.
You guys didn’t talk about Tyberos, the red wake!
yeah Tyberos needs a mention.
Definitely! And his awesome ability to take a squad of lightning clawed terminators as a troops choice.
a good vid guys.
AJ not all sharks are grey some are blue or brown.
And that is how fluff turns into rules…
Brother Aeolas takes what appears to be a mortal wounds and falls to ground in pain. Out of the corner of his eye, he sees the apothecary moving in to harvest his gene seed. From deep within, the instinct not to be eviscerated kicks in a he shakes off the wound.
…Feel No Pain 5+
A Minotaurs special Please!
Great video and great initiative. Will be watching this for sure 😀
Halo Stars @warzan ? Maybe it’s…
THE INHERITORS!!! 😉
I was looking around as I was thin king about starting a force and found these as you cannot get the decals (unable to find them).
http://www.shapeways.com/search?q=Carcharodon
Thanks guys, this is looking fun!
The Space Sharks weren’t in the original Rogue Trader book, but appeared in a White Dwarf article on the Badab War which was then reprinted in the 40K Compendium – so all during the Rogue Trader period.
Why might the chapter be beyond the rim? Knowing the Imperium it might just be because the order to recall them went missing and no one else has dared to change their orders. Not that they’d just be kicking their heels, I’m sure…
It could just be the lack of support and resupply that makes them suspicious of everyone and so self-reliant too.
do space marines have willy’s? what a question. all the lore I have read said they do since all space marines are male the genetic code that is introduced through the gene seed is reliant on the male genetics all of the primarchs are sons after all. the reference I can find of the female space marine is on the chaos side and that is more a homogenous breed as they are using females to birth new marines instead of the growth tanks.. I could be wrong but I don remember reading all this a while back
You’re right, the marines are taken as young men, children even – the fluff seems to vary with each chapter but they’re all boys and all fully intact lol.
Now the Iron Hands… They do say “the flesh is weak”, so perhaps after they become marines, they decide to abandon the less useful fleshy parts needed in battle? They’d still need testosterone though, so those danglies must still be needed…I’m going to watch the next episode now, tara, lol.
The beakies are in Corvus armour – the obvious name GW gave them because corvus-corax is basically the Latin name for the common crow, hence the Primarch of the Raven Guard being given that same name.
In 40K the marines mostly wear Mk VII armour with the Darth Vader style shouting mouth grills, and pieces of the rarer Mk VI Corvus armour. Unlike Mk VII armour, Mk VI armour doesn’t have shoulder pad trimes; they have studs on one shoulder pad; no knee pads but knee high greaves; a Rogue Trader marine style backpack with the ridges at the top of the middle section and several triangular shapes beneath it; the chest plate has three cables in a Y shape; and last but not least, the eponymous beaky helmet (which was said to house extra sensory tech’ etc which made them and the whole suit in general, the most advanced suit of armour at the time of the Heresy, after MK IV armour).
Some of the early Jes Goodwin Mk VI marines also had ridges on their boots, which GW sculpts onto Mk VI marines from time to time (to me it completes the look of a full Mk VI suit).
These FW illustrations of the Carcharodons are wearing Mk VI, Mk VII and the ad-hoc Mk V legs with the cables on the thighs and Dalek-like studs on the greaves. The studs are meant to be “monomolecular bonding studs” (I think that’s what they called them, lol) that allowed the marines to fit armour plates together when repairing them; hence the exposed cabling on the thighs showing that they are hasty battlefield repairs or refits.
From the look of the blood splattered FW painted Carcharodons, I thought they were related to the World Eaters, especially when one of their characters has two chain blades set into their power fists! They don’t sound like Raven Guard either, apart from that “strike and fade” style tactic AJ described. Maybe they’re a combination of the two gene-seeds?
Perhaps experiments were made to use what gene-seed they had from the traitor legions to create extra Second Founding chapters, and when they found them to be a bit too extreme, they, like the Carcharodons, were sent far away to look after the outer rims of the galaxy.
While I feel them to be more related to Angron, I will say that in the Horus Heresy after Istvaan V, the Raven Guard tried to replenish their numbers by accelerating the process of space marine creation, which in turn created mutant marines who had raven-like claws, talons, scaly skin etc, and I think in some cases, black eyes – which is not unlike AJ’s description of the Carcharodons. The sharpening of the teeth still sounds like the World Eaters to me though, so I dunno…
I wish GW/FW wasn’t so vague at times lol!
Great show, I did not know about this chapter till today.
@warzan Yes, space marines have willy’s and testicles. Got this from the creator of space marines after a mate of mine introduced me to them in what can be probably looked back upon as a fairly….awkward conversation. 🙂
Testicles are a great source of testosterone in males, no point getting rid of them when they can still function. What is known is that once a space marine has undergone “the change” they are functionally chemically castrated. Their genetics has been messed with so much they wouldn’t actually be able to have children. Also, you have to bear in mind, when people talk about marine sexuality and urges, these aren’t the marines from the HH era that still looked at women in a “hmm if I wasn’t a marine I’d hit that” way like they have been described in HH novels. 40k marines are taken from their death worlds at the age of about 10. They are then physically altered so that by the age of around 15-16 they are between 7 and 8ft tall superhumans. Mentally, after the horus heresy, I believe in the second founding onwards the autonomy of the space marine was greatly reduced using psycho-indocrination to instill the greatest sense of duty and loyalty to the emperor and the chapter. Space marines of the 41st millenia have so little humanity left in them they probably wouldn’t know what to do with a woman if they were presented with one.
Grimdark thought of the day: The imperium uses psycho-indoctrinated, steroid fed, surgically altered child soldiers, some of which are a great deal younger than a standard imperial guardsman. Space marines are essentially the SS Hitler Youth on steroids.
LMAO, AJ has been around @warzan far too much – knobbly bits!!
the Dabab War books are excellent, great back ground on this chapter
I,m learning a lot of WH40K, I might be give the Horus heresy books a chance. I like the cover of the first one.