Weekender XLBS: Your Thoughts; Choosing Models For Games & A Challenge Put Forth!
July 1, 2018 by crew
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Happy Sunday!!
Happy Sunday Firster! 😉
Happy Sunday!
Happy Sunday @blackspiral 🙂
Happy Sunday everyone 🙂
Happy Sunday Y’all!
Happy Sunday!
If Justin looks like Jamie Hymen then that cherry is well and truly popped…
For accommodation you could rig up hammocks in the studio
For Q Con not sure if its happening next year as the Student Union building where it’s held is being knocked down
Happy Sunday
Just to annoy Warren ( and I’m not looking for a T shirt) when you are mention a figure being XX millimetres then your not talking scales at all just the height of the miniature
For choosing a system to get models for I’ve heard good things about Squad hammer by Nordic Weasel Games. You can get it through Wargames Vault
@dracs Werewolf is really awesome as a teaching game. I’ve used it myself multiple times to great success. I’d be interested to check out the variants!
I would add that 40mm is quite popular
Happy Sunday!!
I’d challenge that FF list of Sam’s:
FF VIII
FF X
FF IX
FF X-2
FF VII
Any list that doesn’t have FFVI in is invalid by default. Sorry!
As for Sam’s list: X is awful, I agree VI is the best. VII is one of the better ones though (probably VI, IX, IV, VII, V, X, XIII, VIII, XV, I-III
Sadly I can only comment on the ones I’ve played, but how can you not have a place in your heart for X? That voice over work was a work of terrible brilliance ?
Of the one’s I’ve played…
XIV – Realm Reborn version
XII
XV
XIII
VIII
X
A Realm Reborn is great. If only my internet connection wasn’t awful I’d resub and get back on it!
Of course, pre-ARR FFXIV was awful, but we try not to think about that!
The combination of Tidus whining and Tidus laughing… Urgh.
But at least it wasn’t Emo Squall from VIII!
I think this goes to show that there’s nothing Final about that Fantasy.
I’ll get my coat. ?
All fade away into nothing compared to the mighty Legend Of Dragoon…
GO OUTSIDE?!?! WITH THE DAYSTAR?!?! What is wrong with you?
Bad omens when it burns the sky
Happy Sunday!
I use the word “overscaled” similarly how Warren explained it. Miniatures that are a bit taller, but generally get lumped to a more common scale bucket. For example, AB miniatures Napoleonics are 18mm, but are often used in 15mm Napoleonics gaming. They fit, because the proportions aren’t that much off. Similarly, 30-32mm is an “overscale” for 28mm.
Xyston are mostly 18mm now as well and Baccus are around 7mm
Something I’ve noticed this weekend. The Big Boss Man has forced his minions to not wear OTT shirts all weekend just to convice the audience (or perhaps himself?) he isn’t their evil overlord.
Okay folks I have one for you, which is discovered recebntly..
GASLANDS which is published by Osprey, and I guess we need to say without the use of Hot Wheels etc given thats whats USUALLY used?
Damn just reached the point in the show where the game GASLANDS is mentioned, cancel my challenge haha
I disagree @dracs .My list :
FFVII
FFX
FFVIII
FFIX
FFXV
Oh and Happy Sunday to all in this fine day 😀 .
Happy Sunday folks!
@warzan, No gerbils, but Biker Mice From Mars was indeed a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biker_Mice_from_Mars
has possibly the most metal kids show theme tune ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV6-8icD24o
am i alone in hearing the influence of judas preist on it 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tv-e9DJqK4
Might be time to take a new look at virtual boot camps. If I recall correctly you brought it up at one point. It would be something I would be interested in.
@warzan, missing your length and girth this weekend. I thought shrinkage only happened in the winter.
A sci-fi skirmish rule set that I liked was F.A.D..It is a free rule set though, so doesn’t quite fit the criteria. My group wasn’t really interested so other than trying it myself, I didn’t get to see how it played with others.
Osprey games newest zombie game just came out a mere 3 or so days ago with no model line. ospreypublishing.com/last-days-zombie-apocalypse
Happy Sunday all!
Great enjoyable show as always guys!
happy sunday!
A good sci-fi skirmish game I picked up after seeing Ash Barker’s playthroughs is Rogue Stars (Osprey). Small model count and customized to fit the model.
Due to some health issues in the family I have not be around here is some time. The website is extremely slow today and was not available around 10am EST USA this morning.
Regarding rulesets for SciFi I have a few. https://nolimitswargames.wordpress.com/ NO Limits and http://twohourwargames.com/5150scifirules.html 5150 Combat. They have a separate one for Space Combat as well. One that is well regarded is https://shop.groundzerogames.co.uk/index.php? Stargrunt. Stargrunt seems to continue to be developed as well.
Per the question at hand. I will admit and I am lazy. I like to go to a one stop shop for my rules and miniatures. That is why I am well into Star Wars Legion.
A good Sci-fi game is Mutants and Death Ray Guns by Ganesha Games
Ben should check out Song of Splintered Lands by Ganesha Games..
http://www.ganeshagames.net/product_info.php?cPath=1_6&products_id=65
Will take a look at it @warhammergrimace
Warren, if you hate mixing genres you really need to try the card game Smash Up from AEG. Get the right expansions and you could play Mythic Greek Kitty Cats vs. Dinosaur Superheroes vs. Time Travelling Minions of Cthulu vs. Robot Wizards.
Happy Sunday!
Have a great vacation @warzan
Happy Sunday everyone.
Hope you are all having a good weekend. Sorry to Warren for making your head hurt buddy. If it’s any consolation I am on the side of your original opinion hehe.
Really cool to see the guys take up the challenge to see where they stand on the models and ranges for specific games topic. It has been a really great set of discussions over the last couple of weeks with some really thought provoking content.
I am definitely aboard the OTT wagon and have a question. What is the BoW brand to be used for within OTT?
John mentioned not letting the BoW team down at the weekend on the Nottingham visit and I have seen the Celestial Painting interviews begin with the BoW opening. Are these deliberate to highlight material that comes under the BoW banner within the overall OTT brand? Would be great if you could nail this down for me as at the moment I am not sure if there is any defined boundaries within OTT for BoW content?
Have a great week hobbying guys and looking forward to Hobby Night live!
Happy Sunday
I recommend Pulp Alley or Dragon Rampant for games without a modell range. You can use Pulp Alley in any scenario, Pulp, Fantasy, SciFi, Horror, Wierd, Wild West, Swash Buckling and so on. Other awesome Skirmish games are Donnybrook and Blood Eagle, don´t know any rank and file games in that fashion besides DBA oder Art de la guerre. R&F are not my alley.
The Breezemount is closed?!? NOOOOOOOOO!!!
is Justin in rehab after the mindmelt ?
He has actually gone to go build his own rocket so he can become Galactic Overlord Ming
He’s joined Trump Force.? Ben
I for one welcome our new Justin Overlord.
god chocabo’s managed to breed a black one i never managed a gold one in FF.
We certainly did play Ultiamte Werewolf in the Trip. OK drink had been taken but I will never forget Sophie (Needy Cat) being such an evil genius 🙂
By coincidence that weekend saw me in town for a Dreadball champo, and that’s exactly the plan for this weekend coming. Small world.
happy Sunday folks great show guys the main thing about figures is that they fit into yous army the only problem is official tournaments you will need only official products.
Okay.. Question for the Team as well as the Interwebs… IF GASLANDS started making it’s own line of customize-able vehicles… Would you buy them instead of your Hot Wheels?… Where is the price point for that break? How “cool” do the Gaslands vehicles have to be before you put your Hot Wheels back on the shelf? How would you feel taking your brand, new, specifically marketed to Gaslands The Game resin models to a tournament (or league) vs someone else’s ‘scratch repurposed Hot Wheels”….
Because I feel like that’s always an issue when there ARE specific models for a game, but when there are also other options out there (Frostgrave, Ghost Archipelago, and America’s Dracula are some other Osprey/North Star examples where models exist, but people seem to be very okay taking 3rd party models and making them their own)… That said, those games tend to be pseudo-cooperative… and more in line with leagues… than say tournaments, if that makes sense as a far as the type of player you are recruiting into the game.
I’m definitely in the camp that if Gaslands brought out its own range I’d be less interested overall, let alone making a choice between ranges. There’s just something charming about the notion of buying and converting toys.
I’d be more interested in Gaslands if they brought out their own miniatures. That’s not because of them being offical. It’s because while converting toys is kind of funny, I don’t think most of them look very good. They look like toys with toy guns stuck on. (I’d be just as happy if a company completely unrelated to Osprey or Gaslands produced a line of miniatures aimed specifically at the Gaslands game.)
I backed Joan of Arc for RPG purposes. Wanted to try 15mm where you could have a huge area on a table (I have a ping pong table I play on) where you can have almost all your maps on the table and not have to switch out when you leave the village to go to the goblin cave and have to deal with random encounters on a different set of terrain. I didn’t get any of the terrain packs as I can just scale down stuff for 3d printing — especially dungeon tiles.
As for the over all scale discussion still going on I’m happy for the larger scales. Probably an unpopular opinion but I really dislike the sizes decided on for or hobby and wish were more inline with the greater group of hobbies we’re a part of. 32mm is 1/48 which is a common model kit size for airplanes. 35mm is very close to O scale in model trains. 20mm is close to 1/72. There are 2 reasons for it:
1) 28mm isn’t a scale, it’s just a set height. I’m tired of hearing about this when someone wants to make a taller or shorter figure for their line and people get upset because they’re not all 28mm.
2) Historical Modeling, railroad are significantly more popular then wargaming. If we were more in line with their scales it would be easier and cheaper to get supplies/terrain and so on.
Wow, @warzan – thanks very much for the mention. 😀 Although now you make me wish I’d invested a little more thought into that mind-melter post. No worries, though. I hope we’ll come back to this discussion next XLBS when Ming himself has returned and continue the discussion on Kardeshev-III galactic levels of power.
If for nothing else, I want to talk about a wargame where one fire phase (slinging that supermassive black hole at the approaching Andromeda Galaxy lasts a few billion years. Talk about a “start-stop” turn sequence! 😀
Only a short hour and twenty minute episode this week?! Gentlemen, we need 3 hour episodes. You think I’m joking, but I’m not.
On the topic of using miniatures for other games, i am fully aware i have shiny syndrome problem, and I will always look to buy miniatures from the ruleset that i am wanting to play, where i can.
This is mainly i think for me, in that i do not play the same game over and over again, too much of a hobby butterfly. So when i do sit down to replay a game such as Bushido or Wolsung. I want to be able to quickly pick my miniatures and know what/who they were. I don’t/cant remember if i swapped in a miniature, then maybe they aren’t wearing the same outfit as character art on their cards, or the weapons are different. So bein gable to pull out the specific model for that game character means both me and my opponent can get cracking at the game.
I am not really an advocate of WYSIWIG, as again i don’t have the time to learn a game wit enough depth to know what is correct etc. I am not into the 100% accuracy of ww2 bolt action equipment for example, i like playing bolt action, but i couldn’t care less if my german was wearing a british ammo clip for example.
I mainly play small skirmish based games too, where the low model count, means i feel i can invest in game specific miniatures, and i also find those smaller games have a richer narrative and more of a fleshed out world with backstories, so i feel like i wouldn’t really have that character if i subbed in a mini from a different range.
Where i can see the reuse of models works, is rulesets based on historical, by there nature the aesthetics have to be the same across ranges as they are based on fact, so mixing of ranges for Saga or Sharpe Practice for example is a lot easier and in my mind those rulesets are written to be used by multiple ranges.
Scale wise again i am not picky, as long as i donnt have models that really differ in height then i would quite happily mix 28/25mm 35/32mm models next to each other in rank and file, cos stood 3 feet away my eyesight wouldn’t care. Different when creating a diorama or display piece, then scale must match across the entire piece.
I have just picked up my first 54mm scale game, called Briskars, animal pirates. The models are amazing. I loved these, i got them again as a small model count, but also to practice airbrushing / painting on larger scale to help me learn some new techniques. This however is a huge scale jump for me. So even though i am happy to buy in game models for this, it comes with an issue in that all the terrain i have looks too small. So requires some more investment – i am going to create a custom board and terrain with this.
I like to have choice to buy and play the games how I want, and there is a huge choice nowadays. But for me and unfortunately for the sake of my cash flow, i will invest in ruleset specific models as i feel they ground me in the world and offer a deeper connection to the story that develops when playing the game.
@warzan what about the caravan site near kellys?
Do I prefer models that are specific to the game or more generic? It all depends on the game. I definitely like to get re-use out of miniatures, especially for RPGS that typically won’t have a dedicated range. But at the same time I choose games based at least partially on the aesthetic and ambience of the world because I love Painting; it doesn’t matter how good a game is, painting hordes of crap miniatures doesn’t press all the wrong buttons for me.
So I guess it’s a good thing we don’t have to choose one or the other eh?
Where are you going on holiday @warzan ? Think you mentioned before North Wales? If so, consider having a wander down south at some point, I’m sure you’d be welcome at my local games club if you fancy a visit (we’re next to some castle ruins so you can leave the misses and the sprogs to explore while you pop in ?).
I’m always up for hearing about B&B Ben. 😉
I think Sam’s technophobia has revoked his ubergeek card. ?.
I’m with @dracs – what’s wrong with people being on the short side? ?
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*Hi fives Sam for the Mordheim love*
On small scale RPG – when you mentioned this, I had a similar thought to Sam; instead of having it to enable you to have a bigger dungeon, using it to have epic battles against large armies. Think of something like the siege of Azure City in OotS; a band of PCs running around supporting the defenders as a horde of enemies attacks (with their own high level NPCs leading them).
Got plenty of it in the Project over on that section of the website then chap 😀 @lordofuzkulak
+1 for OotS reference 🙂
@davehawes – best D&D webcomic out there. 🙂
As soon as Ben mentioned the size of packages i was counting down till the following comment – you never disappoint Warren!
As an aside when I first looked at KoW i went to 10mm – only downside i couldnt find armoured skells in that scale (which wasnt going to be a problem until 2nd ed brought in foot vampires). its not that I dont like Mantics minis it just that for the same price of a decent 2000 point army, I could buy 2 10mm armies for more than that!
Amen brother
@dracs
FFIX is my favourite. We got a hero who is an upbeat, happy-go-lucky pirate!
FFVII is what got me into it.
FFX is alright. Rikku and Auron rocked. Tidus’ voice made me wanna stick a drill in my ears though.
FFVIII was technically gorgeous but another down in the dumps arse.
Never got round to VI. I know. Heresy.
We play Songs of Blades and Heroes by Ganesha games, using a variety of minatures. A good sci-fi game we’ve found is Horizon Wars by Osprey, we play it in 6mm again using various different companies models. Another game we play is Pulp Alley using various 28mm figs from all over the place. I’m not a big fan of games that dictate that this model is such-and-such with these special abilities (oddly enough except Heroscape, you’re wrong Warzan, it’s a fantastic game). I have been wargaming for over 30 years now and have a lot of armies for different periods. Most of my collection is made up of 20mm plastic figues.
Happy Sunday All! Great show as ever. I wish I could suggest a rule system, but as I said before I sit on the model plus rules side of the fence personally. That said, I do love RPG’s and I do think some of those would work for a squad-level vs game. Maybe D20 modern, GURPS, or any number of Savage World settings (probably with some rule tweaks for competitiveness, e.g. Fixed starting bennies). Though that might be going against the spirit of RPG’s a bit!
A Song of Blades and Heroes is a fantasy skirmish game that has no dedicated miniatures.
I consider 28mm to be my favourite scale.
Do you feel that it would be brave or suicidal to launch a new game in a scale that fits jarringly between the standard scales you mentioned.
(by the way Old Glory seem to be 25mm fans, but I prefer 28mm.)
To take something current, was star wars Legion wrong to go for a large scale that didn’t fit with 28mm terrain that a lot of people seem to have gathered? Does this sort of scaling issue become an excuse / a barrier to buying a new game?
Need Burrows and Badgers Batrep VIDEO on BoW … always talked about. Same with SAGA and Frostgrave. Imho anyway.
My suggestions for “generic” fantasy games are:
Skirmish: “A Song of Blades and Heroes” by Ganesha Games (the original, rather than the “Advanced” version, which is still good but more complicated.
Mass Battle: Hordes of the Things by Wargames Research Group. Its been doing the business since the 1980’s and is still a good game. You can literally use ANYTHING for models – I’ve seen stick armies and rock armies
My suggestions for “generic” fantasy games are:
Skirmish: “A Song of Blades and Heroes” by Ganesha Games (the original, rather than the “Advanced” version, which is still good but more complicated.
Mass Battle: “Hordes of the Things” by Wargames Research Group. Its been doing the business since the 1980’s and is still a good game. You can literally use ANYTHING for models – I’ve seen stick armies and rock armies, so some randomness off Kickstarter would be a breeze.
@warzan only because I like you so much my friend!
Unfortunately I cannot suggest a generic ruleset, I have a lot of them in my library and I do not really like them, probably Osprey is a safe bet, I do not particularly like their systems but are a class above everybody else…
@warzan 40mm is a standard size/scale as well. The Perry’s and I believe Sash and Sabre, among a few others, have ranges in 40mm including Colonials, American Civil War, and Musketeers.