Reply To: Poland 1939 – Preparing for 80th Anniversary of World War II

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Thanks for joining in @oriskany. I live in Canberra,  the capital of Australia,  and as such we have a very large portion of the populous being foreign. So I have met and even worked with expatriates and those that are here only for a few years, this includes Russian and Poles.  To these guys it is still a hot, sore and bitterly contested point with tremendous emotion.  When with either party it is best to nod your head and make non committal noises.  Only an idiot will invite both parties to a function that had alcohol.

So yes I have heard what you have raised here and another version contests they moved in to only what the Allies legitimately gave them at the end of the war.

For me on this tract of thought I still have issues.  If one takes back what they completely believes that is theirs they sing it to the world looking for at least one major power to back their position to legitimate their action.  What one does not do is make secret whispers in dark places and once completed attempt deniability.  So privately I don’t believe this excise floats either.

On the offhand this is a good example of Stalinist twist the truth,  injects lies and twists and folds it again.  By the end of the day there is enough doubt and grey areas to prevent a positive action.  On the offer hand if you push for a positive action,  well you are just an anti communist on a crusade and they request that some one restrain this maniac. Truly effective and effectively shown in the book Animal Farm. On a side note my grand daughter loves reading about this early period of Stalinist Russia and she was amazed when I showed here how to read it properly.  For some reason in school literature today in Australia they teach it at face value without a mention of is political sub story.

Actually you have brought up a point that I ponder from time to time.  Did we liberates France or did we just about do our best to destroy that land and it was for their own good. This is another one where truth gets twisted depending on the guilt, shame our white washing of their personal.

I think personally it is time to put this side of WW2 to bed and simply allow the facts to become stone cold facts,  like the history of Rome. It is time to stop hunting down Nazis as those who are now still alive were just brain washed kids.  Australia went through this painful act back in the late 70’s when it became logical to make Japan our major trading partner.  This was extremely hard when you consider the criminal,  sadistic and inhumane things that they had done to us during WW2. Today we have created a juggling act when we also made China an equal trading partner to Japan. The hatred between these two are insane.  Last year Japan started to build memorials to their war dead which was denied them as an outcome of WW2. Most Australians firmly believe the Japanese be allowed to mourn their dead.  Given that China requested that the outcome of WW2 be enforced to prevent the building of these memorials Australia remained politely silent on the topic.  China became angry over our silence and accused us of being pro Japanese and anti Chinese.

I suppose the counties of the world are not happy unless they are arguing over something.

Getting back on topic I have made my stance on the Russian invasion of Poland.  However contradictory this may sound is that I have the greatest respect for the Russian people and acknowledge their suffering under the German invasion.  This may also show that my mind is bent.  Growing up in the cold war era I was brain washed at every opportunity to believe that Russia was the satin’s spawn, the cause of all evil and must be eradicated from face of the earth with extreme prestigious. So I do understand how so many in old Stalinist Russia totally believe that the Russian invasion of Poland never happened and out is all lies from the West to discredit them; or is my bent brain washed mind is still miss firing? ?