An Unexpected Journey Back Into Middle-Earth
July 30, 2014 by brennon
“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.”
Even before the release of the new The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies trailer signifying the end of a rather epic saga in Middle-Earth I was considering coming back to the world of Dwarves, Hobbits and Elves by Tolkien and taking up the Strategy Battle Game once again. It all started when I was sorting out some of my old White Dwarf magazines and looked at the articles for the original Fellowship of the Ring release. The first thing I noticed (other than how cheap things were!) was that the game, from the battle reports and articles, played really well and the actual mechanics match up to even some of the best modern tabletop games. So begins my return to Middle-Earth.
Down From The Door Where It Began...
The next step was to look at what I still had in my collection from past experiences with the game. After digging through a mass of different boxes I realised I had a small warband of Rivendell Elves, some Moria Goblins, Orcs, Uruk-Hai, Dwarves and Rohirrin with the whole old Fellowship at my command as well. This meant I have a good starting point and so I began to do some painting to try and get the troops looking good enough to play with. My painting is still rather bad on occasion now but back then it was terrible!
You can see a few of the different warbands above and immediately I was struck by how cool the miniatures were back then, and still are. The detail is superb even on the plastics and they are a joy to paint too. It's rare that I find myself utterly absorbed in painting something and occasionally I'll drift off and do something else in the middle of hobbying (damn you internet) but I think I sat down and painted about twelve goblins in one sitting!
With a host of miniatures at my command and some heroes to go along with it the next step was getting my hands on the rules and working out what I had to do to get people interested in playing this game again.
Re-learning The Ropes...
A friend of mine had The Hobbit rulebook from Goblin Town and I also managed to grab myself a version of the rules for the different factions too meaning I had everything I needed to make up legal forces for the game and start out at the 200 point level the book suggests. However before I started getting ahead of myself I had to see if there were any changes to the system I'd learned over ten years ago.
The system was mostly the same with combat being decided by the rolls equal to the amount of attacks each character has and the highest being the winner. Any ties are won by the model with the highest fight value. Shooting is done by rolling on or over your shoot value and you can still use Might, Will and Fate points to adjust dice rolls in your favour or to force a particular outcome. The big change came in the use of special attacks and the way weapons work.
Weapons now have properties attached to them. Some weapons allow you to feint, allowing you to dodge away from an enemy. Others allow you to shield, protecting yourself against a mass of attacks, or piercing strike making your damage all the more nasty when it hits. It was when I read through this portion of the rules that I realised how skirmish based the game really should be. Handling something like this on a larger scale might become somewhat unwieldy but maybe that's just an initial thought.
Needless to say I resolved myself to stick to around the 200 point mark and do skirmish based scenarios like those in the book itself or indeed character driven scenarios from the various Journey Books where you use the heroes and villains from the films. I absorbed the rules in the mini-book very quickly, it must have only taken an hour or two, and apart from the tables I was fairly sure I could start fighting right away.
Where Next?
The next step, now I have the rules and the miniatures, is to paint up the varying warbands and then present them at my local gaming store and say "you don't have to buy a thing, just try this game out". I think it's pretty criminal that the game has been overlooked in favour of Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40,000 and hopefully with a 'no pay' way of getting a taste of the game people will be enthused to try it out. From there the next step should hopefully be to see what they think about getting their own warband and making something that fits their likes.
Goblin Town is also quite a good investment when it comes to starting the game. It sits around the £70 mark but you get some nice terrain, a good mini-rulebook, all of the Company of Thorin, a mass of Goblins and a whole bunch of scenarios to play through too. There is a lot of content in there and I've watched a few people play through the Goblin Town scenarios and have lots of fun. Give a few friends one or two of the Dwarves each and let them run it a bit like a dungeon crawl with you as the evil Goblin King! Want to expand on the scenarios, easy, come up with your own using the scenery and kit provided and give the Dwarves a new challenge!
The discussion of price awoke like an angry dragon when I was talking about the game with my friends and I pointed out that as long as someone else has the rules (me) the entry cost for The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings is significantly lower than any of the other games on Games Workshop's shelf. All you need to get started is to buy one of their boxed sets featuring a few of each kind of troop with some ranged and combat options and then paint them up. Make one of them slightly different and make him your Captain, or get yourself a special character and you're done. That's as near enough to 200 points as you need and you will have a competent fighting force.
The great thing about the game is that, at it's skirmish level, it's very tactical and you'll find yourself warring between playing for the objective or getting that one character his next mighty kill where he's fending off four orcs at once! Even with the basic twelve or twenty miniatures per side you can have a lot of fun and I've seen this come across in a whole host of videos I've watched by groups like the Great British Hobbit League.
Don't Go Alone!
One of the other complaints I've heard about the game is that there just isn't enough people to play. In the UK alone, with the Great British Hobbit League as a guide, there at 600 or so of them waiting and looking to play games and setting up tournaments. There are also dedicated forums about the hobby helping it grow like The Last Alliance and The One Ring and you nearly always get a warm and detailed answer to questions you ask.
On top of that there are still events run for the game and later on this year I'm reliably informed there is a rather large event talking part in Stockport and at the end of August there is the Longbottom Carnival where you can duke it out in the tournament scene. I have watched a fair few videos on the last big event in Stockport and it attracted a healthy crop of wargamers each with very different lists. Some were spammy and raised an eyebrow but most were built to fluff up (match the background) well and genuinely looked fun to play.
On The Edge Of A Knife...
It would be a real shame to see this game essentially vanish like one of the Specialist Games once Games Workshop are done with The Battle of Five Armies, which could alternately maybe revitalise the hobby (we shall see). The world is amazingly deep, the characters are fun, the rules are quick and easy to learn with loads of scenarios and such to play with added tactical depth. The models are pretty amazing too even if most of them are hard to find now. Ebay is your best friend by the way if you want some of the older miniatures!
Keep the game small, play it as a skirmish affair, play through the scenarios recreating the scenes from the movies and books and you can't go too far wrong. There's even a progressive campaign style version you can play called Battle Companies where you can level up your warriors and make them into heroes in their own right! "You can't deviate from the books and movies enough in this game". Pish I say! Treat LotR and The Hobbit as a historical game and play through things with 'What If' scenarios. What if Saruman didn't turn and instead joined The Fellowship to destroy the One Ring? What if Rohan had fallen at Helm's Deep and Minas Tirith had to hold off on it's own?
Don't forsake this game and I'm adamant to keep you abreast of how things go with the game when I get it down to my friendly local game store!
Do you still play?
The video at the top of the page is GBHL's 'Beginning Battle Report' explaining some of the basic mechanics.
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What the Battle of 5 armies really needs is some 15mm or smaller minis to fight the battle on an epic scale. I like the GW 28mm(ish) minis and have enough – but not to do 5 armies justice!
It would be good to see them do a re-issue (or something) of The Battle of Five Armies set when the final film comes out with nice new sculpts – make it a limited edition set. The artwork on the cover of that box was sublime.
BoW Ben
This would be the best bet. As Kirby says in his premable to the latest results the range is declining fast (probably as it doesn’t get exposure) so I can’t see them getting the go-ahead to do a complete 28mm range refresh to support the final movie. There wasn’t one as such for the second.
Instead it will be a standalone box set that isn’t an extension of the current so people will need to buy fresh and there will be no further investment. Once sold it’s gone for good. Aka specialist games.
LOTR/Hobbit will always be my primary game. I’m glad to see it featured on BoW and hope that they do more articles on it!
I plan to do more. I’m hopefully going to get these warbands painted up and then play a selection of games down at my local store. Get some people involved and then get my hands on Goblin Town and run through the scenarios!
There are loads of 10 and 15mm fantasy figures out there
The Copplestone 10mm range that was shown here yesterday with the release of the Dwarves now have a good range though no Elves at present
Yep I reckon if you could find yourself a copy of the BotFA rules from the specialist game you could play it out using decidedly nicer figures!
Wasn’t BoFA just Warmaster anyway?
I think so yes!
Heard its a good game, but sadly the minis are nothing short of dire imho. The only models I had any chance of picking up were the Uruk-I (sp?), but sadly, you cant play a ga e solely with those, hehe
Seriosly?
All of them?
Dire?
How is it possible to hold such an absolutist position?
I guess you did say you like Uruk Hai (which you can easily play a game just with if you wish, (and very good they are too) What sets them apart from all the other “dire” stuff though? Seem cut from similar cloth as much of the evil forces really, muscular chaps in rags and armour with realistically scaled weapons to me.
I really. Like the LOTR game. It is the best system by GW in my opinion. It is best with 50 mins or less per side. More than that and a game just takes way to long.
I have a time of the LOTR range almost everything from the first 2 movies and I will not be getting rid of it unlike other GW stuff I have/have had.
This game will not grow I feel as the price for it are just stupid now. When I started it was £5 for 3 metal minis. Now it is over £5 each for a fine cast copy. Used to get 24 plastic guys for £12 now it is £25 pounds for 10.
That is why I feel the hobbit did not bring in more players.
A real crime like you said. If you ever got the chance to play the entire journey of the ring scenarios you are a lucky man. They are fantastic fun.
If you want people to play this put on those scenarios with just you own collection and point people to eBay for deals on the older models if they are interested in warband play. I would right off the hobbit range. They cost to much and are of lower quality and will discourage new investors. If you want to just proxy new units with old range minis.
Yep there is a lot of mileage still in the LotR Scenarios and if you make sure to observe the fact they were made for the old ruleset you can have a lot of fun. And, as you say, eBay is perfect for finding piles of unwanted LotR miniatures for the scenarios!
I’m getting my hands on around £60/70 worth of evil miniatures for £30 soon so it pays to shop around and ask your friends who USED to collect the game!
Interesting article .. mustve been a breeze of fresh air for the designers to make a fresh modern system. Might try it out sometime
Hopefully you get the chance – it’s quick and easy, very dynamic and cinematic and works so well with heroes playing scenarios and indeed taking on small warband skirmishes.
Middle-earth is the only fantasy stuff I play at all. GW are squandering opportunities. I am sure that if they drop the ball some other company will bid for the licences when they come up for renewal.
This was the first wargame my son played. We spent hours playing this building armies painting and just chatting about the things gamers do. I’ll always have a soft spot for this game.
Nice demo game, covers all the basic rules well. It is a really good game for thematic action, especially if the hero is on horse back and uses the heroic move, it can be devastating to the opponent, even when it may seem all is lost.
This is a great video. I recently ordered some models just to merely paint and was curious how the gameplay worked. Couldn’t find anything of decent clarity on YouTube. Leave it to BoW to step it up again. Good work and a great submission!
Enjoy painting the mini’s @grumbles, I quite liked them. I found a black undercoat, using it to define areas between colours/objects worked the best for me as some areas on the model lacked detail due to the finer “true 28mm” scale.
I got into LOTR purely because of the DeAgostino magazines. Remember them? I think they came out once a fortnight with a sprue of troops or a metal figure for about £3. I still have all the mags and the figures.
Off the back of them I bought Mines of Moria too. I also bought Goblin Town in hope of a return. Alas, that didn’t happen. I still enjoy a bit of Balrog fighting and even tried a Thorin’s company vs Fellowship. However, getting anyone to play me is a near impossibility.
Great article Ben and glad to see some LOTR content. I collected most of the stuff from the LOTR era but eventually got on to 40k so generally sidelined it, (whilst still being a massive fan). When the hobbit came out and I found the GBHL stuff, my interest was rekindled and I haven’t looked back since. I’ve been repainting and adding to my favorite armies, including buying many of the models I missed out on all along the way. Never been much into the competitive gaming so the game itself was also highly appealing, although interestingly, SBG is probably the most balanced game that GW make. It was often derided for being too simple by some 40k players, but that view is way too simplistic. The mechanics are simple, but tactics (especially in your use of heroes) are incredibly important. A game doesn’t need hundreds of dice for it to be fun!
I wholeheartedly agree!
I think you probably actually have to think more about what you are doing with LoTR than 40k. Something being intrinsically more ‘complex’ in terms of the number of special rules you have to remember, and moving things in a particular order to make that valid, doesn’t necessarily make it more tactical.
The Lord of the Rings game is what go me into Wargaming in the first place when the Battles in Middle Earth biweekly was released. I used to love it. You got a sprue and little pots of awful paint! I think I first got Goblins! Then I got Elves and Gondor I think.
LoTR is a massive game it used to be up there in GW if any one remembers the White Dwarf used to contain about 10-15 pages at the back of just LoTR stuff. I hope that GW don’t drop it like they have other things. That would be a real shame.
IMO miniatures from LotR and The Hobbit line are best once that GW has produced and those lack that cartoony style that 40k and WHF miniatures tend to have. Then again being based on actors does help with that. Besides system does also seem to be solid based on what I have seen. Personaly I just have not found so much interest towards them and I still have my Elves waiting moment when I would find enough interest to try out game.
LotR is the only GW game I’d still consider playing, though reading Tom Kirby’s delusional spin fest this week it implies it’s soon for the chop or at best mothballs.
Having been an employee throughout it’s initial incarnation I can reasonably say that it was the biggest (yet most successful) cock up the company has made in the last two decades.
There was real excitement within the company when we found GW had secured the licensing and the first figures looked refreshingly different (being mostly Perry true-scales) from what was coming for 40K and WFB. The stores set to work making some pretty nice looking Weathertop intro tables (I’d just taken over GW Tunbridge Wells and it was literally the only complete/nice hobby thing in the shop that wasn’t my own).
The box contents when it emerged should have rung alarm bells, but we had a ton of other stuff to paint. Bizarrely they’d gone with Elves and Goblins. Two forces that didn’t meet in the first film and neither were at Weathertop. No heroes were included and reading the rules it was immediately obvious how important they were to make the game interesting. So ratheer than being able to demo the game while talking about the film that the customer had probably just seen, one was forced to justify the introduction to the game they were about to play with a labyrinthine history of Middle Earth (Like the Fellowship prologue, only less interesting). The game that followed would always be somewhat dry, limited a it was to movement (where one side could simply outrun the other if they wished for turn after turn…) shooting, that only the Elves were any good at, and combat, that only the elves were any good at…
Both editions that followed would have the exact same problem (at least The Two Towers had some cavalry) Someone’s first game needed to be engaging and GW’s LotR ones just weren’t
Still, due to our customers having both functional imaginations and the quality of the rest of the range (oh and the runaway success of the Trilogy) the game did pretty well, it was often new customers. 40K and WFB players only saw how dry the intros were and stuck to what they knew on the whole). We were also required to run big participation events. This too the system was utterly unsuited for. 300 figures a side in a system where combats are resolved one by one is a recipe for a miserably slow experience.
It’s a skirmish game and would have lent itself well to mini-tourneys (with forces not unlike those in the above video) but the support was not there to run it like that, there was no generic scenarios and no army lists encouraging interesting themed forces.
These would eventually come with the superb “Armies of Middle Earth” (hope that was the name) book, but that was over a year after the release of the (much improved) 4th edition box, and by then there was almost no remaining gamer base to enthuse.It came as no surprise to me, that at that point there was a sudden influx of new gamers from other systems who could finally see the merits of a system they’d quite reasonably ignored for 4 years.
No idea how the Hobbit is doing as I’m now well out of it. Personally I’m getting a Star Wars prequel vibe when I sit down to watch each of the new films (not that bad admittedly, but you can see it from there). I’ve certainly not walked in to buy paint in the last few years and seen a single game being played. From the first trilogy I would have hoped they’d learned how to sell it, I fear they still have no real clue.
Really like some of the LoTR miniatures – the dwarves especially, which I think are some of the best dwarves on the market, and a much better representation than the Warhammer ‘belly beards with feet’. The site of two well painted armies on themed terrain is again really, really nice and I think one of the big attractions also.
The rules are nice enough and again good fun to play, and actually probably have more tactical depth to them than 40k in terms of choosing when to spend heroic abilities etc.
The problem I think in part is the price, and the complete lack of marketing on GW’s part to help push the game with the Hobbit releases. Don’t think BoFA has a Pope’s chance in hell of restoring the system to even a fraction of its former glory, but hopefully it will do enough to keep this product available new from the shelf. Otherwise, we will see GW with essentially one warhammer egg in its basket, and a further shrinking of the customer base.
Nice article though, enjoyed reading it!
People always talk about price, is it really that bad? I’ve been picking up a lot of the character models, all of which have been ten to twelve pounds a pop, figure this is pretty reasonable. I remember when blood knights came out for fantasy vampire counts, £60!! Now that seemed unreasonable.
I enjoyed playing both the skirmish game and the mass battle game that came later but the name is escaping me. The one with the movement trays made to hold the round-based models?
I wouldn’t mind seeing them toss the current edition of WFB and totally revemping it using those mass battles rules. Reminded me a lot of Warmaster.
I get the feeling they are just sticking it out through the last movie and will let the license lapse soon after and then act like the whole game/fan base never existed. I’ve been stocking up on the plastic sets on the assumption they will no longer be available a few months after the last movie.
By stocking up I mean adding to my collection. I’m not buying them up for resale in hopes they go out of print and the price jumps!
The skirmish size game was fine. War of the Ring was a bit ho-hum as a rule set though it helped speed up or add some more releases but GW missed opportunities and fixated on price rises, the move to FineShambles or whatever they called it.
Great to see a Hobbit sbg article and good to know people are getting back into the hobby
Hi, glad to here that people are getting into the hobby, I have just recently got into it thanks to the guys at GBHL Podcast, check them out btw!
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Really nice article, and fun to read as it is from another gamer perspective, as this was the game that got me into gaming. I had no experience with other games nor ever heard of GW before Lotr.
I have tried warhammer 40k and warhammer fantasy, but it has never stuck. I have always found that lotr has a simple game mechanic but offers quite a lot of freedom of movement opening to loads of different tactics.
Looking forward for more articles!
I never got into SBG first time round and it was my son who ended up picking The hobbit to get into. Having looked at it deeper now, I do find a good thematic game given to cinematic moments. The cost of the minis is in line with the other GW games, not cheap per mini, but the cost to play is a hell of lot lower than GW games. The hobbit models do look fantastic, leaps and bounds better than the older LOTR plastic sets. but GW marketing has been non existant. and feels that GW will do as little as possible. It just feels that SBG doen’t not really fit into GW current business plan of fully controlling its IP and will only do what they are contractually obliged to do.. Which is criminal, as it is a fantastic system, with plenty of potential, for action, whether quick random point based games, or want to go at reenacting keypoint for LOTR history , or creating your own scenarios, (I have a half formed big one involving Helms Deep scenary as the entrance to Iron Hills dwarf stronghold, with for Gundad goblins and Goblin town force attacking , with scratch force of rangers coming to the aid of the dwarfs or an elf “embassy” being court up in the attack. , Others have fought out Gondor civil wars, SBG really lends itself to self made scenarios, using the SBG rules and Tolkiens world. Its been down fans, and People Like James and Jamie on GBHL on youtube (really go check out their channel), to try and beat the drum, because well GW just does not appear interested. Sorry for the long post but really do look at the system SBG rules and Tolkiens world = a very good time for little investment, moneywise , if you buy carefully.
Couldn’t agree more. Best war game I’ve ever played. The GBHL channel is going from strength to strength and the British league it’s self is booming. The future is bright…