Weekender (Extra Large!) XLBS: Age Of Sigmar Rumour Discussion
June 21, 2015 by lloyd
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Happy Sunday Folks 😉
Now we need Happy Sunday t-shirts please!
I second that motion.
I third it, Motion carries.
whattayamean it doesn’t work like that?
Also Happy Sunday.
Happy Sunday! For real this time!
Happy!
Eugh I need coffee
Happy Sunday! About to head off to Sheffield for a Guild Ball tourney so will catch up with you all this evening!
Playing or covering?
Playing
Good Luck, Have fun Dude. 🙂
Happy Sunday!!! Just finished watching the first part. Perfect timing 🙂
Happy Sunday!! And a happy fathers day too, especially to all those dads who’ve taught their kids the joy of wargaming (and resisted the temptation to CRUSH their petty forces into the dust!).
XLBS, mug of tea and a bacon sarnie on the way, all’s well. Have a good one.
…my daughter doesn’t play, but bought me some 20mm Vepa mini special forces!
Every single army book and starter set has been recalled from the GW stores. So old warhammer = dead, kaboom!
Age of Sigmar is the new warhammer.
All this talk about a 9th edition also coming out, is pure fantasy by the “old” players.
I’m interested to see what the changes play like… will I miss the old game… from a nostalgia point of view yes but I’ve not actively played in a number of years. Last Fantasy binge was a Sigmar force in Warmachine and then KoW. So maybe this will tempt me back, bring me back to the GW fold only time will tell.
I popped into my local store today for some paints and all the books were still on the shelves, or looked to be, but they had been covered by Blue A4 sheets with the Age of Sigmar is Coming sign we’ve seen online on them. Even though I’m excited about Age of Sigmar, I’m still happy I bought my High Elf army book last month – I can still play 8th with them if I want to.
But if people don’t like the new system, it doesn’t stop them from continuing to play the old one in clubs. My old club of Farnborough Wargames used to continue to run Warhammer Ancient Battles after that was retired. This isn’t like a computer license where everything breaks down after the support date. 😎
Happy Satur… uh. SUNDAY!
Happy Sunday guys! Interesting to hear a lot of the in and outs of the upcoming Warhammer reset. I was surprised you compared it to Warmahordes as to me it feels more War of the Ring. It will be interesting to see how it all comes together, how they balance out everything with the new card system and how you go about picking a force. I think the hero heal will put off a few but as you guys said I am happy they have tried to breathe new life into the game rather than lay it by the roadside under a grave marker.
I have to say that the new Warhammer rumours make it sound really good. I’m just worried the pricing will be stupid
No need to worry about that one, you can bet your money on the prices being stupid 🙂
I’d expect the box to be around the £65 – £75 which is a fair wedge, however compared to other skirmish games out there its fairly comparable. For me in latter years it wasn’t the started cost it was always the additional spend to move from box to army. Add £30 for Army book easily £200 for an average size army that was the real killer, I usually collect two armies for the games I play so pushing £400+ pounds ruled it out for me over the last few years.
I suspect it will be £75+ for the starter box…. Along with a price rise right across the GW range..
indeed it’s what I didn’t like about Warhammer, a focusing on indivdual high priced models that if you didn’t buy left you exposed to any player who did. These rumours suggest to me they are keeping that element perhaps even expanding it.
I switched to KIngs of War a while back and plan to stick with it.
…no need to worry – you can be sure the pricing will be stupid!
As long as I can still use my Chaos Dwarfs and Lizardmen on their original bases then I’ll be interested. I will be pretty pissed off if I cant use the 2 armies I spent hundreds o hours and pounds on.
Oh Warren, Age of Prince William… tut tut lol (I could imagine 2 human armies with petrol bombs and riot shields brawling while Orcs, Elves and Dwarves look on with confusion)
I suspect you will be fine as there are a lot of us players out there who have large and often multiply armies on square bases and I can’t see them alienating us after all we now have an alternative in KoW. While KoW obviously isn’t Warhammer it does tick a number of the right boxes and with the 2ed coming its always an option.
I already love KOW and I’ll be using by lizardmen in both systems. But as for Chaos Dwarfs there was just something special about them that the AD in KOW just dont match.
Warhammer Forge will get all the stat cards? If that’s true then it looks like my Chaos Dwarves are safe!. I just hope units like the K’dai Destroyer that havent been made but still have rules will get the stat cards.
Re the stat-cards….seeing GW’s trackrecord for releasing FAQ’s and the recent splintering of 40K rules it will be a fine mess.
I imagine players swapping cards the whole time as nobody longer knows what other players are fielding, let alone how they keep track of chosen options.
And please let it not be HeroHammer with S10 and T9 ubercharacters of doom.
Since S and T seem to be gone as stats, you are safe there 😀
So the wheel turns and we move into another phase or ‘edition war!’ For me it does sound the Warhammer id going to be a breath of fresh air after what 25 years of reprinting the same game over and over. For me the question is will it still feel like WARHAMMER? My experience of this was with DnD where 4th edition worked well enough but wasn’t DnD and many gamer defected to the opposition Pathfinder. So hope the designers gets this right as it was a financial disaster for Wizards(Hasbro) and the games survival I feel has been down to the very deep pockets of the parent company.
I like the idea of stat cards as one barrier for me was the cost of Army books when added to the already high start up cost of miniatures.
if it manages to feel like Warhammer lowers the barriers for entry for new players then thats got be be good thing. Personally I may dive in but I’m thankfully we have KoW as I loved fantasy exactly because it was huge massed ranks! My love may of soured a little over the years but the clash of large armies still holds its lure.
Off to look at 6mm Napoleonics, almost 40, and start yet another phase of hobby.
As always great show.
Having stat cards for 40K would certainly cut my gaming time down, unlike some, I don’t have an encyclopedic memory and waste hours thumbing through various books and guides to confirm stuff. And that’s before I think about the number of games where I get to the end and think “crap I completely forgot to use that special ability!” For these two reasons I have to disagree with Lloyd.
Its even worse for 30k :/
Why do you think Mantic is working on a book of army lists for armies that they don’t produce themselves and/or don’t exist in their background???
When it comes to the “no book keeping” thing, that’s what I’m most disappointed about. The biggest reason why I will never play kings of war is that there really is no need to have models at all. They have no impact in the fight, they’re either full strength or dead. I really don’t like that. So if Warhammer goes the same way, I’ll be house ruling that to remove models that get killed, none of this “return to full health” rubbish.
I myself was on the fence with Kings of War for the reason you describe. But for me the hobby aspect is more important than the game: I want to build a cool fantasy army all modeled on diorama bases on the cheap. Also, while playing the game my army still looks cool because all the models are still there.
You can always remove models in KoW to represent the damage they’ve taken. In KoW there combat effectiveness may not be reduced but they become significantly more likely to break and run.
Happy Sunday. I do like the thought of the skirmish mode. And nice to see the GW taking Privateer Press seriously. I know a lot of Aussie’s & New Zealander’s went from fantasy to war machine due to costs & getting mini’s back around 08 or 09. I followed VaulSC on the tube, when he talked about why he changed. You can let Lloyd know cards can work in 40k or 30k aka heresy wars. When GW changes 40k they can print off cards for the different types of items & also put the cards in with the new character models. You just have to look at Star Wars: X-wing, cause ships can have different items for extra point costs.
Unit Cards could be a great addition to the game just like you guys said, it works perfectly well in WarmaHordes.
When it comes to additional gear or options with the unit why not provide additional cards (like Item cards etc.) that you can put next to your unit stat card?
Whilst this, seems a solution at first viewing, upon reflection, I can envisage a gaming table resplendent with 50% terrain and 50% stat cards with additional option cards etc. etc. etc.
I think if you go the card way they need to add to the game play experience. 40K introduced this with the optional battle cards (Or whatever they are called), Mantics Deadzone make the cards part of the strategic imperative of the game.
‘The Age of Sigmar’ or ‘The Age of Desperation’? Only time, as always, will be the final judge! Watch this and many other spaces in the coming weeks
Happy actual Sunday!
Warmachine is a good shout; very popular at club for an evening. 3 games of that on the go for any GW game.
Also 50 model, based around heroes sounds like the GW LOTR game 8 years ago.
And as we know, skirmish based LOTR was then scaled to WOTR when they needed to shift more boxes! As long as I can use my WOTR unit trays when this happens…
WoTR was a really good rules system. I would not mind one bit if Age of Sigmar stole alot from that game.
I am thankful of one thing, I don’t think I heard the term once ‘GW trying to reinvent itself’, I really detest that term. ‘Coming up with a new idea’ is much better and far less sound bitish!
Hi gang and happy Sunday … am I the only one experiencing slow down and lag with the new player for Backstage?
No I have been having to click play a number of times before getting to the end of a video.
…no, I just get a blank screen!
I got the King William joke!
I was kind on the back foot and grumpy about Age ofSigmar. But that was mainly because I bought into The End Times and started a new Chaos army at the turn of the year. As stuff came more out it kind of went on the back foot as I wanted to wait and see what was happening. So I have quite a bit unpainted and unbuilt.
That being said as we are getting closer to the new release, I am getting more excited and am starting to think about buying in when it comes out.
Time will tell
I enjoyed following the End Times I think it gives a satisfactory end to the Old World and for me nearly 30 yrs of gaming and that leaves a nice taste in my mouth. As Warren points out they could of just axed in and moved on!
Looking at whats coming next I’m intrigued, whether I jump in has as much to do with whether it feels both new and also the same. Veteran gamers, are I think, always harder to please we bring not just the reality of the system but our own passionate and gaming sagas.
Veteran GW players are impossible to please 🙂
Yes I agree I am becoming more and more intrigued as it gets closer. As The guys keep saying the possibilities of fighting small scale conflict in the middle of all those 4ground buildings opens all sorts of inspiration
Happy F-ers day – I mean fathers day get your mind out of the filth
I hate to say it, but I got excited from this video, jumped on the GW site for the first time in years, then got really depressed again at their damn prices.
I just can’t afford it.
Fijne zondag!
Well, if these rumours are true, then your take on them have moved me from “Condition: Couldn’t care less”, to “Condition: Will pay attention and follow news and articles on the game”.
I still doubt that I’ll get into it, but unboxing videos and battle reports are going to get watched, now.
Happy Sunday, the new video player works far better on the Kindle Fire, no flash capability, thanks for that.
Looking forward to the larger warband approach by GW, whilst other systems exist, you cannot deny the casting quality is far superior. Less race oriented, and more random army construction freedom would be good.
Like the stat-card approach as well. If this makes GW fantasy more inclusive and easier to start, I can utilise the existing GW hobby centre support scheme for my boy so it’s a winner.
i like the idea of the new changes to warhammer fantasy, the reduced model count and cards will add an affordable small chunk additions to forces if done similar to warmachine? price has always been an issue and what crippled fantasy for me too much was needed to play in terms of outlay assembly and painting i am hoping things become more customer focused at GW where they realise that huge prices for a select well paid few are not as viable long term when compared to a steady stream of affordable products selling consistently for all.
maybe GW can learn from privateer press and produce similar products as the army boxes for the new forces my point being that they guide players in how to expand upon the box force without breaking the bank to change the way it plays,
its not just about figures and figure count like anything support makes it easier and guidance will definitely be needed to keep new players interested
Happy Sunday!
I certainly will give the Age of Sigmar a shot and buy the starter box.
I like their approach if it all turns out to be as we think.
Whether or not I will start collecting will depend massively on what the new figures will look like tho.
Seconded, the model aesthetics will determine if I buy in to Age of Sigmar.
Happy sunday
Veteran GW gamers are passionate for their edition of the game they play so you wont please them. the old saying is true you can please some of the people some of the time.
got lots of different armies dark elf/skeleton/chaos warrior/beastmen/orcs and if they have stat cards it will make mixing and matching troop types much easier for a personally unique army and help with narrative too( this army picked this troop up from” little town ” on its way to the battle )
Dust tactics is my go to game at the moment as the other half picked up an ssu army at salute 14 the stat cards work with this game.
Warhammer was far too heavy a system for her but this new system if it has stat cards may help get her into this genre so happy days.
Fantasy has to change or die. I really want Age of Sigmar to do well as Fantasy was my first love, so I am nervously hopeful about these rumours.
Personally I love stat cards for hero’s and units, saves on faffing about in codices and rulebooks.
Good luck with AoS GW.
Happy Sunday!
If these rumours are true, I may end up meandering back into the realms of fantasy.As Warren eluded to, it just became too big and laborious for me and my dwarves. The new faction sounds very fantasy Grey Knights (maybe due to “Draigo” appearing in one of the End Times books perhaps?), and I could be tempted back in with those guys. Will wait to see rules and minis though as I have plenty of other minis and systems to keep me busy! 🙂
Re Warmachine
There has been a definite move by GW to lock down their IP, for example the change of name to Astra Militarium. I suspect they’ve been looking at Warmachine as less of a competitor and more as a model to corner their IP market. Where a block of 20 goblins can be easily be from any range, the highly characterful Warmachine and Hordes characters and units are harder to find a substitute. If I’m right I’d expect to see no more generic units, everything named and distinct.
I’ll be watching the new Warhammer with interest. If any of my mates are interested in buying the starter box I could be convinced to split it with them. I won’t be suggesting it to any of them though, the prices are beyond my means and I’ve little faith in the rulesets. Right now I’d be more likely to go for KoW and put together an army from the Rising Sun box sets by Wargames Factory and end up with a nice big Samurai army!
Stat cards for Warhammer is a great idee. They then can bring out whatever they want and whats even better stop making it when ever they want and bring in something new again.
Like LEGO does, bing in new stuf all the time and stop making the older stuff. You’ll have all diverent armies depending on when you started collecting your army.
Why do I keep hearing that the new faction are Roman-like when they have kite shields and mail, the Roman look is the large oblong shield and metal laminated armour. YGIG system fr skirmish is an awful idea as it takes away half the stratagy from the game. There is no decision on what to do, its my turn, just move everything into combat and fight. A great skirmish system needs a good method of command and control.
Sounds interesting. I’ve been interested in WHFB for years but there’s no fucking way I’m spending bucket loads of money to buy an army, paint a gazillion minis, rank them up and push around trays. Huge battles doesn’t belong in the 28mm realm, it belongs in smaller scales.
It’s going more along the lines of a CCG where you can swap units in and out for the same rough model count rather than ever expanding armies (which rules out new players quickly). Perhaps a new CMG era? (Collectible Miniature Game). Putting the cards in with the minis also has the advantage of helping to ensure less 3rd party minis are used as subs of course. It’ll be interesting to see how the ‘legacy’ players (I’m not one, I sold my Dark Elves to get space marines when I realised how many minis I would need to get back in the game after a long break) are able to get hold of the stat cards though.
And suddenly I’m very interested in the Age of Sigmar.
Happy Sunday – great weekender XLBS ad-on 🙂
Assuming those are not all rumours, GW would possibly realease campaign books from time to time, exploring the new but familiar setting of Warhammer Fantasy. That’s what excites me most!
Maybe it’ll be so flexible you’ll be able to make up your own herose – that’ll be amazing as well.
Cheers
Happy Sunday!
ok lets assume this scales beautifully and the models are stunning ,the rule set is actually pretty good and for gw the price is reasonable
will I buy be buying ?,the answer a definite no because it no longer does what it said on the tin a massed battle 28mm game .if I want a fantasy skirmish fantasy game I will play warmahordes or wwe that I already own .it really is strange to me at a time when their customer base is falling year on year they would alienate a sizeable portion of them and at the same time go head to head with privateer press in the skirmish fantasy market
WFB already is h2h with Warmachine and for the last few years it’s been losing.
The problem with basing a weekender on rumours at this stage is that a lot of the specific rumours referred to by @warzan are actually already looking less likely based on the most up to date information on forums. For instance some quite plausible leaks doing the rounds have already debunked the notion that the normal games workshop statline will be scrapped, and the starter box contents look likely to be very different to what was discussed here.
Regarding unit cards, it seems to me GW are already doing this in 40K. Anyone with a new codex will have noticed that the army list section at the back has been abandoned in favour of “Datasheets” with all of each units points costs, options, faction, force organisation slot, and special rules on one page. There is nothing to stop them releasing new units and formations in between codex releases, packaged with their own Datasheets, as they’ve done with web exclusive formations like the horrible cheese that is the skyhammer annihilation force.
I play both wfb and warmahordes and purchase both has they are 2 different types of fantasy game mass battle v skirmish .now its a choice between 2 skirmish games one company is well established game and has a reputation for listening to customer feedback and the other well lets be honest sadly its at an all time low .so if fantasy skirmish is your thing which would you buy ?.personally its carry on buying warmahordes rather than taking a chance on aos knowing that if it does not sell has well has they hope theirs a chance they will scrap it like wfb
There’s a chance privateer press will scrap warmahordes too. You can say the same for any game. If it doesn’t keep making money, it will eventually be put to bed.
Warmahordes and Warhammer are not primarily differentiated, in my mind at least, by the scale. If the scale at which the game is played is similar following the launch of AoS, the key differences between the two games will remain: warmahordes is a steampunk game, not a fantasy game. This difference will be heightened by warhammers move further towards high fantasy. The other key difference is the visual style and material of the miniatures. Games workshop will continue to produce high quality multi part plastic kits which in my view privateer press can’t match.
It doesn’t work like that anyway, for the reasons outlined above, but if it was a simple case of people having to choose between warmahordes and Warhammer for your fantasy skirmish fix, I don’t see that going in warmahordes favour to be honest.
When you say it’s trying to be Warmachine/hordes I think you have it completely wrong. What it sounds like to me is Lord of the Rings game. Even the army creation sounds the same, (one hero leading two-three warbands). And on to this the option to add a War of the Ring style expansion in the future, there you have all the rumors covered.
The LoTR games have been mechanically the best GW have ever released in years, only brought down by expensive miniatures and lack of community support. Cheaper models and your own IP, I think there on to a winner.
I for one am super excited about this new warhammer. I want to use my great warhammer minis on tables packed with terrain. I want to have a village my forces can duck round in. It will so cinematic.
Even if you do choose to re-base your minis to round ones it won’t be that hard as you won’t have to do your full existing army, just small forces at a time.
I have a load of 40K daemons that can now be converted to Fantasy as they have round bases.This brings me to the point that the only reason I never even tried fantasy is because the bases were different.The idea that the same models by the same company were not “playable” in the other game really confused me.
I wonder now if Privateer press should write to GW asking them to cease and desist with regard to effectively putting warcasters and stat cards into the game. 🙂
I was going to get back in to fantasy to play end times. But if they do away with the army books have I missed out ?
I’m really excited though i m a little nervous about the stat cards I don’t want to play a named hero I want to play my meticulously crafted vampire lord with all the gear I want
I hope these rumours are true – and that Warren has the inside track. There are competing and contradictory rumours doing the rounds. Fingers crossed, these are the real deal…
@dignity
Justin, the next time you do a gigantic beard shave for love and lust take a hint from an old am-drammer. If you have a gigantic beard do not waste that sucker! Shave bits of it off while taking photos of yourself in various steampunk costumes, finishing with the pinnacle the fabulous waxed gentleman’s moustache!
Wax that thang and get yourself a fine portfolio of Victorian facial hair. Next time eh?
Then get yourself a bespoke suit at Kingsman the tailor. “Manners maketh man”.
A new smaller and faster to play Warhammer sounds good to me! The amount of models needed in Warhammer is what put me off playing, so this edition might be what gets me into the game.
I’m with Justin there at the end.
I’ve got a request, please 🙂
The weekend before Warhammer’s release could you do a video that summarises what happened in the Warhammer: End Times? I’ve tried to piece it together online but a lot of the content seems piecemeal and a bit biased so I don’t have an overall understanding.
In short, I’m excited to know how the new one begins and excited to know how the old one finished!
Cheers guys
GZ
Happy fathers day!!!!!!!!!!!!
happy Sunday everyone the new Warhammer sounds interesting.
I think Lloyd’s on the right track with his “list-fiddling” comments. There is fun to be had before a game even starts by writing and imagining.
Apropos writing, does anyone else enjoy Pen and Paper as a game mechanic? I Love Battletech and its play style where the combat is paired with managing and recording the declining performance of your force.
I’m with Justin on the fact that the backstory sounds an awful lot like a retelling of the creation myth of the Empire. I wonder if Regalia is actually a new world or just the Old World before it was known as such.
I don’t want to be this guy but seriously? Is this a joke? On all levels.
“Multicultural” LOL wtf? Warhammer ALWAYS has “arabic” etc factions, they just never bothered making models for them bar the Warhammer Epic game. No females? EH what? You see a “female model” in the list and somehow that’s more female-friendly that Bret Sorcerers / Witch Elves / Vamps etc etc.
“It’s really dark” what? what? Compared to current Fantasy which is really, really grim and you literally can’t step outside your house without being eaten by something ? Warhammer is one of the darkest games around.
Sitting here listening to you guys saying the stats are now much easier and fast DESPITE IT BEING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME only with different names…. seriously guys? They’ve just changed the names.
Would have been nice to have someone who actually played Warhammer Fantasy doing this, I really know I’m sounding annoying but it’s true.
And the fluff in many of the newer Armies Books is generally said to be quite damn good (ignoring end times). Warhammer Armies Beastmen is literally one of the oldest books still in play.
Sorry, I know I sound like I’m being a douche but this wasn’t the best.
We’re talking about those things being contained in the starter set.
I think that’s a good thing.
And I hate to break it to you @poosh but current fantasy is basically a cartoon mate 😉
Minotaurs with muscles on their muscles and a hydra with the cheesiest grin ever to make it into plastic 😉
I think it can go quite a bit ‘grittier’ 😀
The fluff is anything but “cartoony” which is what I took to your meaning but still…
There are a few miniatures which are clearly aimed at children which you can trace back to a certain year or two when GW got the Harry Potter bug. GW do make missteps and they will continue to do them into whatever Warhammer becomes.
This Hyrda has a cheesy grin? http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dark-Elves-War-Hydra?_requestid=10706961
The Minotaurs are generally thought to be some of the worst models GW has made.
If GW is cartoony, I don’t know what to make of Warmachine …. Or Infinity….
I, sorry, we have said we will be looking into the age of Sigmar. We had ceased playing WF a while back because of just how large an army you needed to field to gain an opponent, more of skirmish means less table space required which in our house is a good thing. Could not be timed better release date is the day after my birthday. Card system, brilliant as Victoria has severe dyslexia so grappling with any book is multiplied by a great many times. We are both agreed that this game is as close to bringing in a brand new game and not a Warhammer Fantasy part two or a follow on. It may be better to just say this is our fantasy game. This may smart for a short while, but it would make a gap between it being Warhammer Fantasy which the old guard of which we are part and a brand new game which then becomes a couple of steps clear of its past, it is not a new Warhammer fantasy but is something with out a contact point or reference. We can also see why not having a complete break gives a purchase value. How much less pain in placing them in some sort of sequence and comfort in some historical fantasy reference to connect them. We think the best way to look at it is the Warhammer is dead! Long live the Sigmar!
As a warhammer fantasy role player from around 25 years ago the wfb world has gotten less dark as time went on and I’ll be happy to see a more human centric world with less emphasis on other races. Curiously no one needs to have mentioned mordheim which would seem a similar idea (and i would love to see updated).
£75 for a starter box would seem reasonable. Sure, some other companies offer better value but others less.
We need more tri corn hats.
I am looking forward to the Age of Sigmar and would love to see 40K use character/unit cards instead of using a Codex
For the same reason of cards introduced into 40K space and reference books, easy to get around the you can give your character this, this and this with tick box reference and ready reckoner on a larger card for a single larger character and likewise with squads etc, this means the game could be played faster and smoother. Not so sure on the you didn’t kill him/her so they are back to full life at the end of combat but haven’t tried it and until I do won’t know. may even make some reference cards anyway. When playing games so large that points became of no use, three gaming table of eight by four for 40k and fill every board as the games built up dramatic scale, it was easier to have stat cards for each unit sometimes more than 70 to a 100 units on the table. Now we play small games and have played likewise in smaller scale WF.
I am a long time warhammer veteran, and even I am looking forward to this.
One wonders if James M Hewitt has being involved with this. His leaving Mantic for GW, 2 or so years ago would fit the time scale. I realise that he would only be a small part in this if he was.
James’s involvement however, would bode well for this, as the man is a legitimate gamer, fan and all round nice bloke.
My hobby started as a young adult with Middle Earth Roleplaying….then got into minis and went into WH fantasy battles. Still have the first edition in the shed. Since going to Uni I have sporadically bought a unit or two and a new edition or two but never managed to get an “army” ready to play. So I think I have about 40-50 models painted for about six races. It seems like I was inadvertently preparing all these years for Age of Sigmar. Wahey…..it wasn’t a complete waste of time! I reckon even the wife will realize the enormity of this convergence and not complain when I turn up with another new edition……….hopefully… lol
Based on this list of rumours I’m definitely interested. I like the idea that the rules can scale between skirmish level battles and more epic battles. I like watching battle reports of epic sized stuff, but no longer really have time to play an 8 hour board game.
I also like the idea of the unit rules being published on stat cards instead of in books. I really dislike having to replace books every few years just to add 2 or 3 new units. Such a waste of paper.
I’m okay of a fluff reset. Anyone who reads comics shouldn’t be surprised when a company retconn’s their universe. At least GW pulled a Star Trek and just moved into a different time bubble thing. All the old fluff still exists. Also, grittier high fantasy aesthetic vs. the current look? Yes please. Although, not sure how I feel about Turtle-Orcs.
I’m also okay with the possibility of the rules being stream lined. Watching someone take 40+ minutes to do a turn is mega uninteresting. Probably why all these other games have different activation methods (Bolt Action, Muskets & Tomahawks, etc.).
I wonder if the skulls-on-things count will go up.
I’m seeing this as an entirely new game. Based around protecting their IP by eliminating everything they couldn’t defend, as well as being around taking the elements that were distinctive and popular and pushing them centre stage.
They seem to be moving towards rebranding the company as Warhammer, meaning that any figures they produce (for any game) will be ‘Warhammer figures’, so this new game doesn’t even need the word ‘Warhammer’ in it’s title.
I loved the old, low fantasy setting that was great for roleplaying in and was increasingly uninterested in the high fantasy setting that warhammer became. (I think high fantasy usually refers to the level of heroism / special effects / degree of unrealisticness rather than to it being complex or dark or gritty. The new setting sounds just as high fantasy as the old one to me.)
40K has been moving towards stat cards of late (they’re just printed in the army books) and although I don’t like the way it’s been done in 40K, I do think it makes sense for them to do thie for WFB. (I also think they could work in 40K, but that would require GW to make a lot of other, in my view very welcome, changes too.)
I do have a soft spot for GW after being a fan for so many years, so I am interested in what this game will be…
Stat Cards will be sold separately and limited edition :p
Please keep in mind it is easy to print a state card on the ******** packaging – GW use to essentially do this btw, some 20 years ago.
I don’t buy most of these rumours personally but we shall see. There is no way they are going to make their entire fantasy line out-of-sync with the main product.
And I remember how happy we all were to get rid of cards for magic items and spells back in 5th, I think, in favor of a simple list in the rulebook that everyone had. Lost cards were really annoying.
Technically, high fantasy is fantasy (featuring all the various fantasy tropes, dragons, elves, dwarves, magic, wizards, etc.) that takes place in “not Earth” (eg., Earth doesn’t exist in the universe – Discworld, or you enter that world through a magic closet – Narnia), and low fantasy takes place on Earth – Call of Cthulhu, but also has the magical elements.
I’m hoping they manage to put a unique spin on their fantasy world. I’m okay with all the different races and monsters and shit, I just am kinda sick of the default histories that the typical races get. Elves are always the same, dwarves always come from under the mountain, blah. It’s like reading LotR and then reading the Wheel of Time series and thinking, they just replaced all the names with new names. And then reading the Kingkiller Chronicles series and thinking, this isn’t like any fantasy I’ve read before.
GW have been packing unit rules on the instruction sheet for WHFB all the way through The End Times. Don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to do that but just drop a card into the box.
Happy Sunday! The new warhammer fantasy age of Sigmar seems very much like the old LOTR system. At the LOTR warhammer world events most of the armies were around 25- 60 fiigures. I found the weekends very enjoyable. As for war-cards at my local club we are playing Wrath of Kings and the cards work well.
If this rumor is even half true about being a skirmish game I’m going to be buying the shit out of some 4Ground Buildings and trees!! 🙂
I was at my FLGS when the GW sales rep called him up and let him know that all of the Army Books are being recalled as part of the Age of Sigmar, so everything will be in one set of books. Not separate army books.
Yeh Happy Sunday on a Monday lol
One thing that might be interesting for this new “Age of sigmar” is if they make “armies” faith/nation-rather than race-centric. There is some evidence of it in the rumors.
Basically, in past editions, you played “high elves” or “dwarves” or “beast men”. Race-centric armies. However, it would be cool here if they went religion/nation centric instead. If you played a “chaos” army, that army could contain humans, trolls, dwarves, elves, or any other race that aligned with chaos. On the other hand the “sigmar” faction could also include dwarves, elves, humans, trolls, etc, just a different variety based on their alignment with a different faith/nation. This would have a unique army approach different from other games.
Perhaps the followers of the “old ones” could include lizardmen, but also more feral/tribal humans, dwarves, elves, etc.
my biggest concerns is new editions – if we’re going down stat card and such, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST!?
If its going down 2 year re – do, its gonna be **** knows expensive
also, the stat card – how big is gonna be to have options on it????
I’m definitely hyped for Age of Sigmar, I was hyped during The End Times as well, though I will admit to playing much more Hordes lately over fantasy just for the time constraints of a big fantasy game.
With it moving to a smaller model count, that would be perfect!
As Warren said, I can always dip back into the swan song that is The End Times and enjoy it for what it is.
Good times ahead for fantasy!
and Lads can I thank you for this video. I am keen to see where Age of Sigmar goes, but all the talk arounf the internet is sooooo #$$#%% depressing. Thanks for a bit of positivity. I needed it even if no one else did. ( I have been back here twice to watch it again ….basically after every maudaline “All is ruin” post … Thanks …… seriously
If WFB turns into what is described here, ill definitely pick up a set! I think Warren hit the nail on the head, my local WFB following died, and all the players turned to Warmahordes, we will see if they return.
Also NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! to W40k stat cards, that would be a bad bad bad idea. The game is too big for that now, with way to many options! IMO.
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Happy Sunday on Saturday!
I am waiting for this, seriously. I have been painting my Skaven for two years now and well hehe still have something like 70 models to paint. I think I will get this Age of Sigmar thingy even with round bases. I would love to see the character cards however. It speeds up things a lot!
Cards would be great in all Miniature games (or something similar), a quick referance really speeds up the game.