New Horus Heresy: Betrayal At Calth White Dwarf Leaked In Full [Updated]
November 3, 2015 by brennon
That didn't take long did it. We've seen the first images from the Betrayal At Calth game which will form the beginning of the new Horus Heresy plastic range by Games Workshop to tell the tales that made Warhammer 40,000 what it is...
Update: The whole White Dwarf has basically leaked now from Dakka Dakka showing off the models in more detail and some of the rules HERE.
- Game uses custom dice with Hits, Critical Hits and Misses (Blanks) - you generate a pool of dice based on a unit and then fire. Critical Hit (in an example case) negates the enemies armour save from a Melta Gun.
- Each unit has two actions per activation. You flip it over after the first and then remove it after the second
- One activation choice is ‘Run’ allowing you to move two hexes (game is hex based)
- Defence Dice rolled are made better by Cover
- Small squad based scenarios driven by custom dice and card mechanics
Update: Someone over on Bolter & Chainswords has posted up some images of the actual plastic models assembled which you can see HERE.
Update: More images have also now arrived showing off the kit in more detail including the book, cards, custom dice and the sprues. You can see the new images HERE.
New images from War Of Sigmar
Some more images have dropped HERE showing off the contents in full and painted up as well as a run down of the characters involved...
The leaks which you can see HERE show both the Word Bearers and the Ultramarines in more detail and the first glimpse of how exactly the game is packaged. It looks like it's going to be using an Execution Force style board game system where you have tiles and cards for the different troopers.
Content-wise the game should have...
- 30x Tactical Marines In MK IV Armour
- 5x Cataphractii Terminators
- Contemptor with Lascannon and CCW
- Praetor
- Chaplain
...which falls in line with what we were seeing on the sprues earlier in the year. According to the sites that leaked this it won't be a limited release box and will be supported further down the line by Games Workshop. How long that's going to last, we'll have to wait and see.
Images from Millest's Mediocre Meanderings & Spikey Bitz
What do you think of what we can see so far?
"It looks like it's going to be using an Execution Force style board game system where you have tiles and cards for the different troopers..."
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Still somewhat sceptical about this…
Intrigued despite myself. Interested in the models at least, but not the game.
Although for a moment at seeing that cover image I thought GW were now producing Rush albums…
Is it a modular tile game, from that picture it looks like the figures are on card tiles eg SPACEHULK style.
Yes it looks like it’s based on the Execution Force style game that did. Cards for the troopers, board/tile movement etc.
BoW Ben
Yes but the board looks much more like Space Hulk with many small tiles that fit together, as i remember Execution Force only had 2 big board tiles.
The price is rumoured to be 90 pounds.
Honestly, the art work looks amazing, but the end product seems, well dare I say it, bland. Even the AOS box packs lots of character into its models. This just looks, well, bland. Where is the individual flare of the legions? And a board game?? I don’t think this product itself will do what they want it too. Will it sell? Likely yes and probably very well. Why? It’s 30k and marines. But honestly, really underwhelming. It’s surprising when you compare it to AOS releases. Also why Calth? Surely Istvvan would’ve been a better choice? More legions to choose from, so the set having more generic looking models just means you can tailor it more. Also Calth is kind of a major event on the fringe of the main event of the heresy. The Ultramarines never make it to Terra for the final battle so this seems an odd stepping point. It’s only advantage being that there are two main legions in conflict and not several. Perhaps also the Ultramarines are quite recognisable. Still I think it’ll cause a bit of confusion.
Art work is really really good though. Like it a lot.
I mean, it’s nice that you can tell so much from the blurry pictures we’ve seen so far. Especially with regards to whether the board game will be any good or not.
GW are in a damned if they do, damned if they don’t situation.They either stick a bunch of legion symbols (or skulls) on, then get criticized because people can’t then combine these kits with others and / or paint it in whatever legion they want, or vice versa.
Personally speaking, having the models be relatively blank in terms of legion markings would be the right way to go. And I don’t see the harm in having the whole thing be a board game that potentially has different rules to 40k (we miss Heroquest et al. don’t we?).
If this was a sci-fi heroquest I’d be all over it. Since it’s more likely to just be a bad rehash of Space Hulk I think I’ll pass, I already have a copy of Space Hulk if I ever feel like playing that.
I made no comment on the game itself. It just looks very bland. To be fair the models are likely to be very good. It’s just not what I’d expect of a board game about the horus heresy. Having generic models really works if they can be used for multiple different faction types. This doesn’t seem like the right setting though. Calth was a bitter war between two legions that are complete diametrically and philosophically opposed. The Ultramarines are clean and classical, and the Word Bearers are religious zealots. You miss out on that when you just render them the same.
Honestly the box looks like a hersey gamers dream, just for the models. It’s just not looking like a product that can stand on it’s own and say this is a intro to the Horus Heresy. A board game no matter how fun still needs to thematically introduce you to the universe. Calth seems like an expansion to that not the starting point.
So yes, model wise this is great, the models are generic so you can utilise the FW upgrades to personalise your legion. There are plenty of models too, which always a boon. But board game introducing the biggest event in the 40k universe?? Set on Calth? I’m not seeing it attracting newer people or people who aren’t already invested for the models or in the universe.
Just my 2c worth though.
I don’t think this is to get new players into the hobby. I’ve heard that GW is looking at having 3 levels for gamers. AoS is the base game to get new young players into the hobby, easy free rules small model count but scaleable to larger battles. Then 40k is the medium flagship line that requires more of a commitment and then finally Horus HEresy for more advanced gamers and modelers. This also fits in with their plans to have options at all spending levels.
The pictures of the sprues show all these models as multi part kits with options like regular products not whats usually in starter sets. The picture i’ve seen of the sprue of the Contemptor comes with 4 weapon options, Lascannon, multimelta, kheres assault cannon and powerfist. Also look at Forge Worlds product line for Horus HEresy, a good chunk is upgrade options, I don’t think thats a coincidence. This is to get more 40k players to make 30k armies with a small game to help introduce it.
IMO the models are awesome i’m glad their not push fit, they will take upgrade parts and the Value is amazing and if I can I’m getting at least 2 boxes. I was going to wait for the Prospero book so I could make my Thousand Sons army but at this price I will be able to make a army now and another when rules for my legion come out. The only thing that worries me is if it sells out before i can order mine.
My bad only 3 options for the contemptor, No lascannon.
yes Isstvan was where Horus showed his true intentions so would be the perfect place to set the game?
I would have preferred an Istvaan setting, too. Ultramarines and Word Bearers not my favourite choices (would have liked some Emperor’s Children and some Iron Hands, maybe!). But that’s just personal preference I suppose.
if you want to be accurate for Isstvan you can have Sons of Horus/ Lunar Wolves, World Eaters, Death Guard and Emperors Children to choose from for armies in the field.
Calth was recently the focus of a black library release, probably with subsequent releases to follow. And isn’t the next fw hh book meant to focus on inter legion civil war and other periphery events of the heresy. So its seems that the strategy is all around the edge of the heresy and would make expansions easy to deliver like the recent tau and marine 40k box releases coming with a codex for box contents and campaign missions to play. Especially as it would tie into fw’s upcoming book direction and could have a supporting novel or two from bl..
Will probably pick this up for the figures, but I’ll give the game a try too at least once
Nothing cool looking. Space Hulk had loads of flare and character, this just looks bland.
Grant it we can only really see it the tactical squads. The other models may change my view on this box to be honest.
I just can’t get myself excited about this one.
Pffft, I’m sticking with my resin FW goodness.
It’s nice that you can stick with your FW goodness, but if the rumours are correct with regards to what you get in this box (3 tac. squads, 1 term. squad. 1 contemptor, 2 characters), then if you wanted to get the equivalent from FW it would cost you (a quick look at the site)
£60 for 1 squad of 10 tactical MKIV + weapons (so £180 for 30)
£48 for the Cataphractii Terminators + weapons
£53 for the Contemptor
2 Characters (hard to find a price equivalent, but lets say they are free because they are in a boxed set).
It comes out at £281 (approx.), so I don’t think it’s a bad thing that there’s a £90(ish) plastic alternative.
Any reason you prefer the resin to plastic Dave? I personally prefer plastics or metals to resin.
That is indeed a whopping saving @fleety and something I was about to work out for myself so thanks for saving me the trouble. As for the characters, I’d compare to the pack of 2 Legion Praetors which are pretty close (1 power armour and 1 terminator) at £33 making the grand total from FW approx £314.
Another little comparison for folks:
If we look at the box contents and the sprue pics leaked so far, using the current Space Marines codex plus the IA2 2nd ed book (for the contemptor) the box contains around 1250 points worth of stuff without going overboard on gear.
Its pretty much just a good sized 40k army in a box for £90* that happens to come with rules for another game included and can also be used for FW 30k rules.
I personally am stunned from the sheer value of the set. Good work GW. Keep it up.
That looks awesome!
That explains why the rumours kept mentioning Space Crusade.
i though the only way i could get Kakophoni (Noise Marines) on the table was something like this…
If a board game, exactly what are the scheduled follow up releases going to be comprising next year?
Just seems to me GoA a full game with full factions and background released against that a boardgame….
I would guess that if it goes well they will release expansions and later on some 40k equivalent rules.
And another picture
), with the Contemptor and dice on it.
@admiralandy
Well they could release Expansions with new units/missions/tiles, many boardgames have expansions.
Or they could just release a HH rulebook and more miniatures and this boardgame would then function as a sort of “starter/teaser”.
looks like i was bang on the money, my guess is that you will have a game in between execution force, space hulk with expanded miniature range in the new year, with white dwarf providing 40k compatible rules and war gear listings (maybe with the stats for the box contents in the box as well), collated into legion specific data slates in the new year. It would be cool if the execution force tiles could be used as well as space hulks, if nothing else as i have both and be good to get more use out of them, but i dare say that wont be an official set of rules.
It’s going to sell like crazy. In fact it will likely outsell every other miniatures boxed set on the market this year, guaranteed.
Which is kinda sad really, considering how cynical this release feels.
It’s plastic space marines, it’s what they sell.
Same is true about any other GW game that gets released, record breaking sales for other would be rounding errors for GW’s global sales
The Marines don’t look very 30k, they look like normal marines with a different head, the bolters look like standard 40k…..need to see better pics to see if these are just 40k with 30k helmets
head over to the forgeworld website and look at all the different options for armour, heads and bolters and you’ll see that these match what they have done already. i think this is a great starting point for anyone wanting to get into the HH. i’ve already got a death guard legion in mk iii armour but i’ll be picking this up and most likely a second one to get me started on doing an iron warriors legion, but i’ve already ordered iron warrior legion heads and torsos from forgeworld to change mine up a bit a few weeks ago, since i had a rough idea for the release date. but to me i think they have nailed the look of mk iv marines in this box excellently, since i have 20 of the guys from FW 😛
The lack of Orks in Horus Heresy has been wonderful for my wallet and storage space. This is another thing that won’t be coming home. Hopefully all the HH/SM players find this entertaining, valuable.
Luckily for Ork players, Orks were the same face stomping techno barbarians 10,000 years ago as they are today.
maybe they were afraid of getting to far away from 40k designs?
backpacks also look un-30k and that dreadnought looks very compact…
The MkIV isn’t too different from “modern” designs. This is nothing new. It’s been in the fluff for a very very long time.
Interesting stuff. It is too early to make any final judgements. We need a better, less distorted look at the contents of the box. Still, worth keeping an eye on.
I wonder if it is a coincidence that this is going up at the same time that Beyond the Gates of Antares is being released by Warlord, or if this is an attempt to take the wind out of a competitor’s sails (and indeed sales)? While this will sell like hot cakes (everyone loves the Heresy Era), I doubt it will do much to impact sales of Antares, which is a heck of a game even in its beta version, and will doubtless be even better after its full release. Fortunately, I think the market is big enough to accommodate two such different games systems without any real difficulty.
Well personally I’m absolutely blown away by this game and the number of models you get for your money. My only concern is that they’ll sell out before I can get a copy!
Underwhelmed. All I really wanted were lots of HH marines… and if this had just been the plastics for £90, I’d probably have loved it… but now I’m just wondering how many more minis I could have had if they weren’t also charging for the game content.
Particularly as GW are attempting to re-model themselves as a minis company, and not a game company. Just sell me a big box of marines – surely that’s GW’s dream anyway, so why make it a game?
Ummm, really?
scroll up and look at @fleetey ‘s comment.
You can bet that when the pricing for the plastic boxes to bolster the contents are announced that the box contents will be considerably cheaper, so just like execution force the game is free when you look at the cost of the mini’s inside (assume £18 a character clam pack, 4 assassins would be £72, with the cultists, CSM and chaos lord, dice, boards, cards & tokens costing you £3). Assuming they stick to 40K list prices, and dont add an extra fiver on for kicks, then you would be looking at £25 per 10 man tactical box, £20 on a box of termies, £30 on the dread, and £18 a pop on characters, so that would be £162 approx to buy separate in plastic.
If you buy it from an independent who offers the 10% discount, then you would be looking at £81 for the box, which is half the price of my guesstimated individual prices.
And apart from the old epic 40k space marine battle force box, i dont think GW has ever put that many marines into one box before, how ever you cut it 38 gw mini’s for £90 is good (by their pricing) value, i mean thats £2.36 a mini lol
About the numbers of Marines in the Box, dien’t GW Omar soll a whole Chapter box? That ohne Hand definitely more Marines in it.
Damn sorry for that unreadabke post, the autocorrection feature of my tablet messed that up:
About the number of marines in the box, didn’t GW once sell a whole chapter box?
That ohne definitely had more marines in it.
Yeah but as far as i was aware that was a company not a chapter (100ish marines, not 1000), and was just a bundle really so you saved like 5% over GW retail prices. Where as the box set games have always been a massive saving over retail, even the campaign boxes like death storm have been really good value, comparatively speaking, only thing cheaper is mislabled ebay finds, and then you run the risk of partial completeness and inch thick painting attempts…
I just googled an they really had a chapter box (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127930-Buy-A-Warhammer-40k-Space-Marine-Chapter-For-11K).
Now it would be interesting to know if they actually sold one of these.
£2.36 a mini isn’t really a deal imo.
@cpauls1
Its less than half the “usual” price for those minis so a pretty good deal really. Its a crap deal compared to print-your-own standees or tiddlywinks though. All depends what you’re happy to play with.
@cpauls1 well that’s cheaper than say 10 marines for £25, and the contemptor also only costs £2.36; now that is a deal :D, as i just did 90/38 to get the 2.36 figure
If you assume you buy with 10% discount from your FLGS then your looking at 81/38 = 2.13 a mini, and thats 90’s prices were talking about, and pretty much at mantic/warlord prices currently, i mean paint (even army painter) costs more per pot than that!
It’s all relative I suppose, @nakchak . I’m not a 40k player, but have been collecting Tau for a first-contact Traveller combat team (with some Robogear stuff). I’m a patient sort, and always have half a dozen projects awaiting parts. I’ve managed to collect the better part of two ‘platoons’ of Tau, and they came in at about $1.00 a figure… drones for $1.00 each as well. Likewise, I have acquired four devilfish for about $20 each by buying scraps here and there. I buy ‘lots’, in the piles of stuff sense, on Ebay, and do a lot of trading. Works better for GW stuff, as I’m no longer inclined to pay retail. I don’t understand why anyone would.
Tau are cheaper thank space marines (especially terminators and dreadnoughts)
http://www.triplehelixwargames.co.uk/Categories/Warhammer-40K/Tau-Empire/TAU-EMPIRE-PATHFINDER-TEAM/3097
£1.15 a figure brand spanking new.
so not an ideal comparison.
@cpauls1 yeah I avoid paying retail by getting a staff discount at my local model shop (do the website) otherwise id be trawling ebay for joblots too. That said I was talking about retail prices not second , plus second hand marines tend to be covered in half inch of paint badly assembled and more trouble than they are worth. Other armies I.e. Ones not in a starter box tend to have belonged to people who had more of a clue when it comes to assembly…
Agreed @nakchak , but I don’t buy anything space marine, nor do I buy much in the way of GW these days. Quality wise I think they are falling far behind Corvus Belli, Nakamura Tower, and even Anvil Industry. They still make some vehicles I like, but I’m not good with the prices, and for most applications I’m in no rush, so I just sift through EBay with my morning coffee. Eventually I end up with everything I need.
The only thing I paid retail for in the last year was the Valkyrie (gasp) as I needed it yesterday for our game. I needed a dropship that could be carried by an orbiting corporate scout, and could deliver the party to a planet’s surface with a retrieval team. Enter the player characters, who needed to gather up a rogue terraforming module. The two corporation vehicles were called Lewis and Clark. Lewis I have, in the form of a Technolog floor plan. But the characters left orbit too quickly, without doing half the research they should have, and so I needed a quick band-aid.
@lunchbox Always fascinating to watching you play “Burn the heretic” with anyone who doesn’t agree with you, and in fact, someone who wasn’t even addressing you.
@oathsworn Seems a bit of a daft statement. You wanted lots of HH marines, you got a whole 1250 point army (40k equivalent) for £90 but are upset that it comes with some card tiles and rules for another game on top?
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be buying it – I just really wanted 30K minis for 40K, rather than a stand-alone game. I honestly think a box which was just the minis would pick up as many buyers as this game will, and if they hadn’t spent cash on the game components and development, we could have had an optional weapons sprue or something instead.
Basically, this is one of those times where I think GW should just sell us models – after all, Forgeworld didn’t need a boardgame to sell there HH stuff…
I dont think GW would ever release a game box with all the bells and whistles, not to be greedy but to avoid the hassle of newbs (and yes at least 50% of buyers will be first time purchasers of GW products) being overwhelmed by a sea of plastic and returning the box to the store. Plus people would only ever buy the game boxes rather than the squad boxes at a later date if you had it all in the box. I wouldnt be surprised at all now if FW upgrade kits become stocked in clam packs in store, or at least orderable for delivery at the stores. Now the black library are also using the same ecommerce platform as GW and FW’s main sites it would be trivial to cross sell from any of the sites. i.e. buy calth, get suggested smurf shoulder pads, and weapons sprues, with a BL book suggested as well, possibly with a slight discount for buying all together.
@oathsworn
I see your point. It may have knocked a fiver off the cost of the game or something but how would GW as a company market those models? They would technically be models for a game that doesn’t “officially” exist outside of FW. I agree I would have preferred some 40k datasheets instead of the card tiles but who knows, maybe the board game will be good?
Either way, its a great value set whether you want the card bits or not.
The 40k rules will be in white dwarf, and later in a dataslate. Like they did with execution force and the execution force formation, if not in the construction guide as well.
If you look at the new unboxing pics see the black and white construction guide book, look close you can see the 40k logo at the top of the cover, wouldnt be surprised if that has the 40k listings in it like all the recent 40k boxes have had in the instructions…
In fact thats the only place i have seen the 40k logo on all the leaked pics, everything else has the HH logo, 50p says the stats are in there
There are also a few others knocking about, they are posted in the HH plastics thread
if what peopleare saying is true and it’s £90/95 for the set, then I can say I will be buying one on the 7th, any more than that and I was fully on the fence, but at that level I do think it’s a very good deal. Good on GW for hopefully finally giving their fans something vaguely representing a good deal.
It probably will look like a pretty bad deal compared to the Dark Vengeance box.
It is probably the best deal GW have done on miniatures since the old Skeleton Army box from the early 90s.
Nothing beats the Skeleton Army deal 😛
I bought three.
DV has more models and so much more variety compared to the samishness offerend here.
Of courese basing the comparsion on Forge Worlds laughable prices (and crappy quality) you are right.
Yes but this offers someone who only wants one army to buy one army in a box. Agreed its less variety of models but for me that’s actually better than having to split a set with someone.
Marines in this set are compatible with all of the other marine kits out there from GW and FW and can be used for any legion / chapter. Lets be honest, having to scrape the DA symbols off all the marines from DV is a pain.
As a starter set to get 2 new players into the game, DV is better. For anyone wanting to start a 30k/40k space marine army, this set wins every time.
@yoshi the difference between the two is big. The sculpts with Dark vengeance whilst being very attractive were effectively nicely sculpted push fit models. This set is entirely in parts and therefore infinitely more posable, it sounds like a small difference but really it’s not.
looks like a reasonable game box for the price?
A box game with Ultramarines and Word Bearers you say very clever GW. Book V of the HH series includes the full rules for both Ultramarines and Word Bearers… sneaky!
This box is screaming out to be supplemented with FW stuff though.
I have already picked up: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Ultramarines-MKIV-Praetorian-Heads-Torsos
For the Ultramarine’s Veteran Squad and I am trying to figure out how those Word Bearers can run as allies for my Sons of Horus force.
Thats exactly what i see happening, especially now that BL, FW and GW all use the same ecommerce platform (and probably share a database in the background) so will be trivial now to sell in store and cross sell via websites.
Wouldn’t be surprised at all if you get suggested products with Calth like FW Shoulder Pads and Weapons sprues, and the recent BL graphic novel seemingly about the calth game (UM vs WB having space battles and ship boarding)
I kinda like what I see. Happy about the possibility of getting conversion bits from Forge World. Now if only they had Space Wolves bits.
Two things:
1) It had to be cheap(ish), Star Wars is out soon and we are now well into the Christmas period for retailers.
2)This is the kind of pricing that GW should be doing for all their minis, if they truly believe that their market is amongst collectors rather than gamers.
If this turns out to be the best selling GW product in a long time I hope the message starts to filter through to the dunces in charge.
Meh. If the price is right I’m sure folks will buy multiples for the mini’s and bin the rest. Surprisingly bad artwork for a GW product.
I quite like the artwork to be honest from what snippets I have seen.
The mini’s look good. I am anticipating having one box painted up as Ultras vs Word Bearers but if I grab a 2nd box then that’ll just be to use the models to supplement existing forces.
With the updated pics i thinks its safe to to say the forces will be:
Ultramarines
10 x Tactical Marines
5 x terminators
1 x captain
World Bearers
20x tactical marines
1 x contemptor
1 x captain
Interesting to see how that balances as 5 termies dont seem like a fair fight over 10 extra marines and a dread.
The tiles look good, being double sided with the locking edges makes me wonder if they might be used in a WH:Quest kind of way. Also the Dice look interesting not a standard D6 in sight, can only see 3 symbols as well, guessing hit, miss and heal? combined with command cards and what looks like wound counters like in execution force this could well be a sci-fi dungeon crawler!?! 🙂
Would have been nice if the dread was Gal Vorbak as thats who is suposed to be the first tainted dread for the world bearers, kinda like what the did with mephiston in the recent space hulks, but the fluff dont fit oh well, though the FW site does say they were first encountered following the catastrophe at Calth, which this im guessing is part of it, so plenty of oppertunity for FW to release a tainted version of him…
Ultras get Terminator Captain instead of Chaplain so that probably helps balance things.
Unboxing: http://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/315
Is it me or do the marines look more 40k than 30k eg those backpacks are the modern ones can’t remember which Mk?
Yes and no, i thinh old pictures showed different backpacks, but even the FW MkIV (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Legion-MKIV-Maximus-Armour ,which are the types of Power Armour in the set) have backpacks that look like the new ones
You have MKIV parts on the recent marine sprues helmet, shoulder pad and torso if i recall correctly, so virtually every modern 40k squad has some mkiv in it these days. As for the backpack im no expert but im pretty sure its only the mkiii and earlier variants that have noticeably different looking backpacks…
After a look at the clearer images, this box is looking promising. The models seem like a pretty good match for the existing Forge World HH ranges, and conveniently lack Legion specific iconography which means that they can be used as the basis for any HH force the buyer desires with relative ease, should you want to pass on the in box game and just get a good deal on the models as the combined basis for a larger Heresy Era army that can then be expanded with Forge World products and any future GW products that might support the 30K period.
As for the inbox game, we don’t have enough info on its game mechanics to say if it is going to be good enough to stand on its own merits yet, but even if it isn’t stellar you could just think of it as a nice bonus to go alongside more affordable HH models.
I’ll be keeping an eye on this.
Here we are going again with gw getting their hands on fw business. Not that they don’t look good like other models ( ahem Castellax ) that they gw should have left alone but now is a whole range.
Wow, hh, is it a stand alone, a expansion followed game whatever, we shall see. Myself I need to see the figures to make a decision if it’s worth it.
GW has let me down in the past and this could be no different, just because it’s shiny doesn’t mean it’s good.
That’s my 2cents.
Brother G out
doesn’t mean its bad either… we don’t know yet.
For an entry way in to the FW admittedly premium ruleset it might not be a bad option.
Even if the game is mediocre as a cheaper way in to the full HH ruleset it looks very promising.
Making this is a board game is a grab at bringing new people into the hobby which is always a good thing. Hope it turns out well.
Not a biggie but are all the marine legs the same?
more board games is a good idea a board game unlike a war game only needs the starter box. to Play a war game not only do you need extra miniatures also scenery and a large table. a board game has everything inside and the added bonus of being able to play it on the kitchen table.
board games are a great way to introduce people to miniature games
I agree – I’m fairly psyched about the board game element as well, hoping it has some longevity (I’m a glass half full kind of guy!).
£90 for that many Heresy Figures is a steal, I will definitely be getting one… or maybe two boxes.
Although the price/release date can only be due to Gates of Antares, you would have thought they would have ramped the price up, look at the price of the Tau Breachers..
Not buying the whole Gates of Anteres conspiracy, GW usually release a game and campaign this time of year, was space hulk this time last year, with the shield of baal campaign following shortly after, which is exactly what we have again this year.
Plus its the time of year most products will launch to get in the christmas/thanks giving/black friday sales window. Same reasons as so many AAA computer games get released this time of year. Just good business to launch in the 8 weeks before christmas
It wouldn’t be a conspiracy just sound business practice, a competitor is releasing a product that directly competes with your best selling range, you would do something about it.
Games Workshop have been working on this product for months, planned for it to come out about this time and all they will have done is either move the date of release forward or back (most likely forward as it is pre-order on the release date and did not come out before) as well as possibly changing the price of the box set (plastic sprues only cost about 40p each so there is some wriggle room on price depending on how quickly they want their tooling costs of £1,000s back). I’d be more surprised if it wasn’t on purpose due to the adverse effect this will have on Antares sales (which if left alone could have potentially had an adverse effect of 40k/30k sales), especially as I am not in the Games Workshop pay no attention to the outside world camp, I just think that sometimes (well a lot of the time) they pick potentially the wrong sales path with a preference for low sales high profit pricing strategies.
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I’m not a big fan of that crozius arcanum but the rest looks good.
Often thought of using one of those brush helmets in an ork mekboy diorama, can just see a grot with one of those on the end of a broom tidying up….
To me, this is a Heresy starter army in easy-to-work-with plastic at a really sharp price, with a boardgame thrown in for free. Think I’ll have to dig out those FW Death Guard mini’s I never got round to before…
GW sure know how to get tongues wagging. I think this has been one of their best achievements this year in a growing market. AOS and now plastic heresy have certainly kept them in the spotlight with many people.
Looks horrible. Bland. No interest sparked at all form it.
I only care about the miniatures. And i want them! I already ordered 2 boxes from my local flags.
The price is also good (for GW), and i am willing to pay the Retail price, not only to support the hobby but also for my local flags so that he can stay in business.
The Guy that runs the local GW have stated that people that going to buy this will be shocked that there is a board game with their Heresy Marines. And I completely agree. It will most likely be the least played board game that GW has every released.
is it just me or does the miniatures look just ok ?
the sm are the same as existing sm, the kind of dreadnought is just very static in its pose…
this appears to be some lazy model design.
dark vengeance was much better imho.
Yeah I don’t think this is lazy design, this is core product design.
These sprues serve a very different purpose to Dark Vengeance (try customising the marines in that)
I do agree somewhat on the contemptor as some additional articulation on that would have made it an outstanding model!
the thing is this is designed to go with all of the FW customisation pieces.
Add in to this the Ultramarine and Word bearers upgrade kits and you will have a pretty impressive looking set.
That Contemptor is definitely going to need some surgery and a green stuff facelift before it’s presentable.
Confirmed that it’s £95 RRP
So I’m preordering it this weekend.
Shame about the dread being so static but makes a nice challenge to add some movement into it.
My only bugbear with what I am seeing is that they have gone too bright on the Word Bearers. They should be a deeper red more like the Gal Vorbak FW paint.