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Weekender XLBS: Quick 3D Printing & Horus Heresy Plastic Sets On The Way?
March 22, 2015 by dignity
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Happy Sunday!
Stayed up late for this! Happy Sunday to all!
HAPPPY SUNDAY
Happy Sunday
What is the drone at 00:10:13 from & where can I buy a few?
happy Sunday
The only way Nazi zombies could be cooler is if they were Nazi zombie sharks (lasers optional)!
Zombie and alien armies are the only things that would get me to play DUST.
Dust has never appeal, zombies and aliens somehow lessen the already non-existent appeal. Each to their own though.
Now for Zombie sharks to be on the battlefield would you need a zombie sharknado?
Nazi zombie sharknado? Make it so!
You relalise someone in hollywood is penning that as sharnado 4 now
Happy Sunday!
So, who is this’little German’ that John knows?
If you think that ‘The Walking Dead’ is just about zombies, then you must be watching it whilst ‘weathering’ your tanks and playing DZC at the same time!
I know it’s not, but yeah it may have been a poor example but it does get yawn inducing when they build up all this fantastic drama then the show goes “don’t forget zombies” and just kills someone for the lolz.
Happy Sunday 😉
Ah a nice Sunday enjoying the weekender XLBS lovely way to start the day.
Happy Sunday. I remember there being an article somewhere recently about Zombies being the safe choice for many a video game etc. in a world of political correctness.
Go all the way back to Wolfenstrein, Doom (91?) and beyond. I got fed up with many a good game set in an interesting time and place with meaningful human intrigue and conflict that halfway through suddenly became “oh no, the enemy is in league with dark forces – enter the undead zombie hordes”. WW2.5 should be good enough without resorting to weird.
As for aliens that Justin doesn’t like in WW2ish, but does like zombies, what about that great WW1 alien invasion game.
Hoiw does Justin feel about the aliens in WW Exodus – now as far as I’m concerned THAT’s a disjoint!
+1 on the WWE aliens. It completely detracts from the wild west feel. Mexicans? sure. But Aliens and full plate knights? Nope
Wild West Exodus has always been advertised as Wild West Sci-Fi. I thought it was weird, too (well, it still is weird I guess, lol), but the fluff gives it some sense. Oh, and WWX has zombies, too….including giant zombie snakes….with a 4″ melee reach. 🙂
WWE aliens? Just What is Sin Cara hiding under that mask?
Happy Sunday.
Happy Sunday, hobby section was great. Really like the PHR scheme and if I was ever to try dropzone they would be the faction for me.
With regard to the 3D printer I have looked at a few of the cheaper options and I don’t think they are worth consideration for miniature printing – they might be fine for providing a doll to be touched up with sculpting material but they are not going to offer a final finish product. I love the idea but think realistically without a lot of cash it probably something for 5+ years away.
On the 30K rumours – originally posted by Hastings on warseer. Harry is another poster who added some comments – both have a good record for reliability of rumours. A few further points they have stated 30k not Horus Heresy so it maybe more of a great crusade setting. Alien-wise they is a vast array of races mentioned, and then exterminated by the legions so while their is more diversity they tend not to be around long enough to support with models. In term of IG there was the Imperial army, which forge world has created as the Solar Auxillia which set out from Terra with the marine legions acting as support staff and securing areas after the conquest by marine where complete. However if it is Horus Heresy the 3 factions would be ad Mech, Imperial army and Space marines – a very limited and dull setting in terms of diversity of models. I can see it working in the short term as a cash injection but moving more of their product line to marines is not going to address their issues with loss of customers.
Finally on the Khorne codex, that just seems to be a push the bloodthirster more gimmick. Will go down well with the die hard fans but in the face of the quality competition they have now irrelevant/gimmicky releases are not going to reverse the trend in sales and bring in more customers. To me a sign that GW are just trying the fire enough %^&* at a wall some of it will stick approach – not that they have some brilliant plan.
Happy Sunday.
I had forgot about that story of christian playing giant Jenga with the homeless guy Nice to see him on the weekender. Right back to my UCN army.
Happy sunday!
I’m absolutely with John and Lloyd – Zombies all over get more and more boring. In some cases they can add a bit of horror to a setting, but I personally would never play them. Maybe it’s hard to identify with a brainless dead corps calling out for brains. Nazis, for my taste, are frightening enough if they’re alive, there is no need at all to make them zombies. The alien idea on the other hand is kind of cool.
Over all a really great show and I love the paint job you’ve done on the vehicle Lloyd. To add some crates, canisters and packaging would make it even better. You could use bitz from independent suppliers for Imperial Guard vehicles, they will probably match the scale.
Cheers
Hehe, it was like Lloyd interviewing Merry & Pippin
Those PHR weren’t left over from a prize were they?
The new GW store in Tottenham court rd Has been branded as a Warhammer store,
The Newcastle store recently changed locations and names.
Happy Sunday!
30k is the nickname for the Horus Heresy, it’s the story of the Imperium’s civil war. So Marines vs Marines at it’s core, with the Imperial Army, Mechanicum, Knight Houses and Titan Legions added for extra flavour. The people complaining that their xenos army hasn’t been released seem to have missed the point entirely.
At this point, the Orks and the Hrud had been purged from Imperial space, the Eldar were pretty much sitting back watching and licking their wounds, Tyranids and Tau hadn’t arrived yet, Necrons were still sleeping, and Chaos was taking it’s first proper bite into the Imperium by starting to corrupt some of the Legions.
Anyway, given that 6 weeks ago at the Heresy Weekender FW said they have no plans to produce kits in plastic, this seems to have just been someone’s wishful thinking on a forum post that has now snowballed via the wonders of the internet into “it’s coming!”. 🙂
the Orks and Eldar can still be in 30K the fleets were still Liberating systems so still a chance to meat them.
The point where the game is set is past the Great Crusade, so no the fleets aren’t liberating planets anymore – they’re turning on each other! :0
@olliep the rumours made a distinction between 30k and Horus Heresy – it maybe the same but it could be crusade era games – that is unknown. Apparently rules system will be different, it will be a stand alone box with models being available afterwards separately.
(meet) plus with them still expanding out new factions like the aliens that the future chaos marine’s meet may be in time?
“Big enough to take a rod up it”. That’s it Sunday’s peaked! Great show fellas
Roswell Incident was in 1947 which is when the current DUST timeline is set.
Was a bit painful watching the Heresy side. There was a massive Imperial army and the models are all the Auxila stuff on FW. Obviously the Ad Mech you went on to touch on later on.
Yeah I was squirming a bit too 🙂
Me too @oliep . I get tired of the old “it’s just marines versus marines” nonsense. Firstly, I don’t see anyone complaining that historical wargaming is all just humans versus humans. Secondly, it’s totally inaccurate. The Horus Heresy involved marines plus the Mechanicum, all the many and varied regiments of the Imperial Army, the Sisters of Silence, the Adeptus Custodes, the Titan Legions, knight households and the forces of chaos.
FW’s Horus Heresy range has been such a huge success that it’s easy to forget that it’s only been around since 2012. It’s still a relatively new and growing range and has barely scratched the surface of its potential. The 4 books released so far are all set in the early days of the conflict. Admittedly, the first trilogy was almost exclusively about the marine legions which fought at Istvaan, but there was never any doubt that future volumes would add more variety. This began in earnest with book 4 and will continue in book 5.
There is a basic truth to the “marines vs marines” though so it is not likely to have the diversity of factions that 40k has however…
That is not a bad thing, especially when the plot and writing is so strong and as you say there are a ton things yet to be explored within the legions.
I think it would be great to see this
absolutely, i think the marines vs marines gives a new depth and dare i say that awful word that bounces around too much ‘balance’?
from a ‘fluff’ point its got something like 30+ novels and short stories which is a fantastic bit of background to boast on. Then expanding that in the absolutely stunning books that they have been doing.
For me the only bit that got me a bit awkward was the blanking of the ad mech and solar auxilar. Those models have been absolutely outstanding from Forgeworld and they weren’t really put together for the bit on the video which was a bit of a shame that it was put as just the marines. Obviously that’s a big part of it but all the gorgeous knights models and the other bits are too stunning to ignore.
I suppose the down side is, and i am sure Dave will probably agree here, that the amount of Resin would probably send poor Lloyd in to an extreme anxiety attack due to the amount of filing and clipping that is needed on the stuff at times creating a cloud of resin dust in to the world.
@number32 @olliep @erastus I think we need to go on the show and set these guys straight 😉
Heresy boot camp Dave? 🙂
Fook yeah!
Now that’d be one way to force some progress on my sons of horus to take down some Ad Mech 😉
HaHa Dropzone and Dust at the start, I just painted my UCM infantry this weekend, and did more converting on my DUST too.
zombies have been done to death pun intended, same as vampires. give us a break from these 2 or the next generation will scrap them out of existence.
Here, here. 😀
Re: 30K, I can see why the setting doesn’t appeal to some people as it doesn’t have the variety of aliens that 40K does. But complaining that all the armies are marines is as silly as complaining that all the armies in Bolt Action are human. It’s the story of humanity’s civil war, the destruction of the Space Marine legions, the rise of Chaos and the birth of the Imperium.
If the backstory of the 40K universe interests you, why on earth would you be worried about the Horus Heresy being full of marines? There is lots of scope for personalities, a lot of variety possible in battlefield/settings, a huge number of ways to theme your armies (i.e. armoured forces to infantry) as well as 18 different legions to choose between which have their own character.
Plus then you’ve got the Mechanicum, the Imperial Army and the potential for lots of other non-military units like navigators, planetary governors, spaceship crews, perpetuals, chaos cults, remembrancers, etc. so loads of scope for scenario play.
The 3d printer Tested had that @dignity and @lloyd were talking about uses a solid bed to print on, the carbon one uses IIRC salt water, so it doesn’t have to tilt and peal every layer.
I don’t play Dust, but completely agree with Justin about the zombies and aliens thing. What makes the setting special is the superscience, and the artistic direction of the setting. There’s a ‘historical’ justification for using zombie troops in the setting (although I agree, I wouldn’t be interested in facing an army of zombies except in special narrative scenarios).
But adding aliens as a playable faction sounds very dull to me, because it changes the fundamentals of what makes it an interesting setting. It’s no longer about super-science WWII armies facing each other, and has become about an alien invasion instead.
Re: 3D printing: I came to the same conclusion that home fig printing is still a couple of years away. That’s why I went with filament printing instead. Plus I like kitting out a table for believability.
So my article series should be up this week. We’ll see what people think! In the meantime, here’s a pic of what I’ve been doing with my printer:
£500? Try £1000 lol
“You can come and play with us” @lloyd you’re a married man now! You can’t invite strangers to come do that!
oh £1000 – my bad lol
I think both the zombies and aliens in Dust can work. In both cases I think they shouldn’t be full factions. In the case of zombies they should only be on the German side. I’d put the aliens on the American or British side. If what they found in Antarctica is all the aliens that there is than fielding a full army of aliens is impractical because there is a limited number of them. They could provide tech which might provide different walkers and weapons. Perhaps more suitable to destroying zombies. I don’t think either of these “new” factions are required but there are some people who might like them.
waaaa i love my zombies and my totenmeister!! 😉
How the kids will play when Warren is away! Painting up some Scourge right now and still waiting for my Dust pledge……….still love the game and will keep supporting it.
Something to keep in mind is that the 3D printer that the Tested guys showed off is a different kind of resin printer and those prints can take hours to do. The 3D resin printer that people are raving about that has the print plate that goes up can print something like a miniature in a matter of minutes. Even your typical filament 3D printer can take a long, long time to print stuff.
great show guys.
Happy Sunday! Late due to Adepticon but glad to get back to watch these!
I hope the new 30k boxed set/game is as good as the last one they released.
I kike the zombies in Dust, reminds me of Wolfenstein growing up. But you have to have a mix, some Nazi troops and some zombies.
Oh, and Butkreuz is pronounced bloot kroyts.
Funny you should mention wolfstein. When the lads were talking about zombies driving mechs, it put me in mind of wolfstein the new order, where the Nazis took peoples brains and put them into the big robots, which acted akin to the way Dreadnoughts do in the 40 K world.
Therefore Justin, its not a bad idea at all mate – it worked great for 40K and Wolfstein – why not dust.
And as for Zombies and Aliens – why the hell not – even better, what about zombie aliens?!
Not sure where GW…I mean Warhammer….I mean…Gamesworkshop (starting to get confused now…who are they today?!) are going with the new 30K set.
My own thoughts are that they are trying to suss out the market with this potential starter set and depending on what kind of reaction they get, they may turn it into a stable(ish) product line, though smaller than 40K obviously.
Lets face it – GW are revenue driven so that will be their main objective here.
So I think at this time, the future of this will be very much revenue driven – if they get a good reaction from Gamers then further products will ensue. If not, they shelve it and they have still drummed up a following who will then go to Forge World for their needs. So either way they should make money on it.
If it is successful then I wonder if long term this could see a bridging between 30 and 40K. There would be an opportunity for lots of books, filling in details and creating a whole new folk lore between the Heresy and the current 40K universe. An opportunity for new product lines as they introduce the new races and you can play something like the Inception of the Chaos Legions or the first Necrons, etc. So at least they may be paving the way for a lot of new books. And maybe a load of new models, though if they want this to be a winner they really will need to do something about their pricing. Lets face it, GW stuff is in many cases stupidly expensive – so much so they have and that has encouraged a lot of players, myself included, to ditch 40K and look at other systems which are a lot cheaper to set up and maintain. If they keep the pricing competitive and don’t rip the ar5e out of it, they may maintain their current fan base, create a new genre of gamers and even pull a few of the old guard who have since moved on, back into the game again. This would have me seriously tempted to venture back in the direction of GW – as long as its cost effective – i.e. I’m not going to pay over 50 quid for this and I’m not going to start forking out 15 quid a figure or 70 quid for a tank in the future. GW no longer have a monopoly on the table top gaming market – hopefully they’ve finally woken up and seen that and will use this to introduce a fair and competitive pricing strategy. You could be onto a good thing here GW – don’t let your greed ruin it this time!
Oh and one more thing – Warrens Blue Army?
Thats catchy – make a great name for a band.
Guys, you might need to double check that you have a table at Salute. They have released to floor plan for 2015 and I cannot find a table listed for you or of the Battle of Hoth. I might be being super blind, but I have looked several time and still cannot find anything.
You have the patience of a saint, @johnlyons , sitting there between Justin and Lloyd while they argue about Zombies and “Little Grays” and which is more “appropriate” in WW2.
All respect to Dust, though, the art is gorgeous and their concepts, although they take something of a bizarre route, do lead to a great place . . . walkers with 88s on each arms, Russian flamethowing walkers, etc. The female characters help, I think I’m in love with with Captain Koshka Rudinova, she’d warm the blood of even the coldest strict-historical gamer. 😀 Just . . . ease up on the really strange stuff. To each his own, I guess.
I hope they get their legal / delivery issues sorted soon and go on making great content.
Another great show, guys!
Lloyd I recently put some markings on my Dust Axis by masking off a stripe and then applying a very pale Valejo grey with a sponge to give the impression the stripe was wearing off. Did it once the model was finished and didn’t wash over it for fear of changing the colour. Was really simple to do and looks much better than hand painted lines.
As for Zombies and Aliens in Dust, they’ve always been part of the fluff but I’m not a hudge fan of the weirded stuff. Don’t have a single Zombie or Ape in my army but playing against a Zombie horde could be fun. I think that’s preferable to an Axis army with just one or two Zombies units thrown in.
Hey guys,
Canny show. Enjoying it all.
One thing to note though, any 30k games can be fought against any of the alien races with the only real exception being the Tau and Necrons. The Ullanor crusade was against Orks after all.
🙂
@dignity you to aliens in weird world war but there fine in wild west exodus?
Nice improvements to the horrible looking toy vehicle. That section of the show is a mini-hobbylab of itself. Maybe an idea for a future hobbylab series: Get a bunch of crappy vehicles from the poundshop and turn them into nice looking models for tabletop use. You might even turn it into kind of a competition among the team.
And about zombies and aliens in Dust. I think both are a bit out of place and make the story context spin out of control. I would much rather see alternative takes on human scientific developments.
Sooo Aliens re Zombies, obviously aliens are going to win. Zombie 2nd generation dead person never works as well as the original. Alien 1st ed alive thing, so advantage aliens then throw all the advanced tech in.
PS Should be werewolves though.