Cult Of Games XLBS: Overdesigned Or Overcomplicated? The State Of Miniature Design Today
May 7, 2023 by warzan
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Happy Sunday CoGs and OTTers!
Happy Sunday!
Can I suggest Ben’s new technique is known as Grimy Dick to hopefully any possible IP infraction in the future
Noted!
Happy Sunday ! / Birthday ?
Here we go coffee in hand ready to start the Sunday ?
Things to take from this episode…Warren needs help with his reverse centaur fixation and he should give Justin a lecture on the subject.
Happy Sunday you lot, how’s it going.
Congratulations to the very well deserved Golden Button winners.
This thing about having to much bling on a mini, it’s a right pain in the arse. I think mini companies should think before adding extra bits, if your after putting an army on the tabletop in the shortest time possible you don’t want to be painting 7 straps/belts pouches etc when 1 or 2 of each will do. Now I not against minis with lots of extra bits on them, because if you want a painting challenge then go for it, but most of us hobbiests just want to play most of the time not paint.
Great show guys, now of to watch the weekender.
Happy Sunday XLBSers.
Get the U.S. T,s @warzan
The yellow shirts could be good camouflage with the gorse bushes and the flowers.
If you brake a model you buy a new one, keeps the profits up? ?
The bell end is in London drooling over his shiny new hat.
But is he hung like a horse.??
Bye bye gang.
I like all the detail 🙁 just not on GW models as it doesn’t make sense. if you look at any soldier across history they always had crap on them (they need that crap to fight). People hate painting Napoleonic’s due to the braces, still have them on all models as it’s iconic. One thing all most soldiers have is that you don’t have crap flapping about and hovering over you as you need to see and fight.
What I dislike is textured panels that are close to impossible to paint. you just need to freehand the detail on it’s so small or do as intended and wash and drybrush. It’s forcing me to freehand. Where I may have just painted a pattern, texture or a gradient. This also hits the point for detail inappropriate to the scale.
It would be nice to have extra detail as it used to be, as optional. This represents units caught while moving or a pre prepared assault when they have dropped their packs. Sadly this doesn’t fit with the current fad in sculpting / model sets.
Fucking hell Warren
Please let this be a reference to my hobby time and not my baby yoda fetish lol
Lol.
Agree 100% on the too detailed minis. They look cool but most people just don’t paint the details or block them with colours which doesn’t do them justice (including me). Old School Fantasy (2000-2014) had about the right amount of detail.
Happy Sunday.
Baby Yoda, it’s a pupppeeettttt! (If anyone remembers Brian Conley)
Happy birthday Warren.
The easiest miniatures I find to paint is from North Star, their Frostgrave or Rangers of Shadow Deep collections. They just paint up quickly and simply and look really good.
When painting up some more complicated miniatures (particularly those from GW) the painting process just keep going and going with more details to fit in.
Also there’s a lot to be said for nice simple one piece metal models. Virtually unbreakable.
Happy birthday Warren!!! ???
Does Ben’s Grimy Dick work with Lloyd’s ASS techniques?
When you put them together, that’s when magic happens!
Geruhsamer Sonntag!
00:00 Yes is the answer
00:15 It’s a double-Johnson!
01:05 This is a children’s show!
01:10 Happy Birthday @warzan
02:45 I’m not going to look over at facepage to see what’s there in your birthday bag
06:18 At first I was “Well Oppenheimer is a bit of a stretch here” but then I though about all those AI SciFi end times movies… yeah. It’s either we kill us through climate change or the AI will do it. HUZZA! 8)
07:08 Butt Light Yeah!
08:20 HERETIC!
11:00 Bon Jovi reference out of the blue?
16:09 “being ancient Greek’ed” sounds horrible @brennon
17:45 Din Grogu would love middle Earth. He’d fit right in with Hobbits. Small people that eat all the time
23:08 Grimdick
25:19 This is the way
27:45 MWM did a review of the W’hamster fest and said “there was a sign in the cue ‘waiting time from here: 4 hours’ after they’ve been in the cue for some time”
32:00 Square bases Warren! SQUARE BASES!
36:30 It is way too much on G’Wullu minis for years now
38:30 big asses for the win!
40:00 Pics or it didn’t happen!
46:45 A small glimpse into Warrens mind
49:00 Skellibobs!
55:30 could you repeat that please?
1:00:00 oh no
1:04:45 where is my unsee juice
1:10:00 and they aaaall died
1:11:00 Family camping!
1:17:00 Carrot noses!
1:21:35 War HUH is good for HUH golden buttons!
1:22:22 Tattoo
1:24:00 “at Christmas” Mate, you’ll have forgotten about that next week! XD
1:25:30 Marine plants on marines!
1:29:20 Corona Sandwich?
1:29:45 Play with 2D cutouts, all problems solved!
And now for something completely different:
Moin.
I recognise that fron Mantic minis. Just that bit too much going on. I hope GW catch up because some of their stuff is a pain in the arse. I wonder how much this driving the immense popularity of oldhammer right now.
Great show as always.
A lot of horsing around in today’s episode….
Centaurs have 6 limbs. That makes them insects so really there horse flies
Archon leans on “too much detail”, but I’ll take that over boardgame pre-assembled plastic with mold lines. I do remember the early days of 3D renders, with miniatures that had so many spikes and thin bits that couldn’t be cast in the first place. And, even if it’s only a handful, some companies have miniatures just for display.
A Happy Belated Birthday to ya Warren, from a fellow Taurus. Have a great week guys!
The reason models are getting more and more busy is simpler than you think, I believe. There has been a general trend toward it over the last decade, but it really accelerated after GW released Contrast paints and a lot of other companies followed with their own heavy washes.
The junk is there to make the model _easier_ to paint. Even if some details don’t get painted, a contrast+drybrush combo will paint models very, very fast if there is a lot of surface detail. What you see less of is larger flat or slightly curved areas because those are not optimal for using this technique.
And when you paint your army in record time, you can run out and buy another. That’s the business model.
Overall, it means we have more fully painted armies out there these days, but the percentage of well painted armies has gone drastically down. People are lazy and don’t want to learn to blend 🙂
Thanks again for another great show.
Loving the army that Warren has been working on. The siege tower is amazing. The combination of ghosts and skeletons on the tower really tie the while army together, the shields will be icing on the cake. Really looking forward to seeing some progress on the dungeon display, so glad that you will be getting back to it.
Got to say I’m firmly with Lloyd on all the gribbly bits on figures these days. I just don’t have the time to paint so many small details these days, plus I think they distract from miniatures rather than add to them. Maybe I’m just getting old.
Congrats to all the Golden Button Winners, well deserved all round. Now to go read those projects.
Interesting concept of the “Grim Dark” paint approach. I recently bought the Necromunda “Hive War”set and the I’ll use the approach on my figures. A “How to” by Ben would be great.