It’s the XLBS Show……………Happy Sunday Fellow CoGs!

I would love to make it to a Boot-camp…….not sure if I can get to Ireland from Kansas?

I think most STLs that I’ve bought have been priced well. If I do see an STL that I think is over priced I simply don’t buy it.
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on a personal note, I just received my NEW Moonstone minis today! Five boxes that I had not picked up yet and the EVIL BUNNY!!! Or is he just Misunderstood? If only I could finish the table terrain for my Moonstone minis!

I am very happy to hear that you are considering Bootcamps once again; attended one years ago and it brings back fond memories. But, as I live on the other side of the Atlantic and the current high costs of an airplane ticket, the game itself would be the deciding factor. Understand, I would very much enjoy the fellowship, but this represents maybe the future of many more opportunities? Call me very interested but on the fence.

As to SDLs. Let the developer decide as in all commerce. If the files don’t sell as they are too expensive the market will speak and adjustment will either have to be made or dust will collect on the unsold.

Happy Sunday,
Let all watch the Greatest movie ever made and pray to Jesus.

May i Suggest that you do a summer boot camp for the Greatest Movie ever made? oh wait, you want to limit it to 14 and if you did the Greatest movie ever made many more would want to come.

I would love to make it to the boot camp, but to be honest I am not sure if you are ready for all my jelly.

I have to say for a boot camp it will very much depend on the game for me, but the principle of boot camps is a great idea and I hope it is a roaring success.

Of course you would want a Barons War Boot Camp, lol

end of the shoelace is called an AGLET

https://youtu.be/VwizJNvl62U

I’m up for a boot camp

Boot camp at end of July would be great.
As it’s my birthday and could therefore be my birthday present to me 👍

Good to see Shay in the weekender.

Happy Sunday!

I’ve always wanted to do a bootcamp; depending on dates/content and the missus…

On subject of prints as that is now my income source I feel prices for stls are driven by expectation and the market. Most are priced just below an individual physical mini as most people will only print it out once.

I hold a number of commercial licences to sell physical prints and as you say I am positive there are more sellers than the number of licence holders. DRM is not a possibility as it would have to be hardwired into the printers and historically it has never worked to halt piracy, the main answer to piracy so far is ease of access. Music piracy disappeared when Spotify etc arrived and video piracy went with Netflix and Amazon.

Morning all… oh, I give up… I’m last again… 🤔

Love the idea of bootcamps returning, summer may be a bit early for myself and my partner but would definitely be up for later in the year.

hell-o Bootcamp yes please – I have holiday last week of July first week of august, if it fits in I will attend. Is it possible to get my 10 years old with me? fly from Uk not issue

Well of course I am interested in the boot camp 😁 although July and August will be depending the weekend as I have lots potentially going on in July and August 🤣

It would be good to be able to attend a Boot Camp again and have a proper catch-up with the OnTableTop team.

As others have said, yes to the idea of boot camps again but based on the game system.

On the subject of 3D model pricing, I feel the prices should be managed by the creator as they know (or should do) what they need to make a living wage, or not if it’s purely just a hobby and they just want to cover their costs. Once the models are out there, the market will eventually firm up the price structure for them. Some will thrive, others will sadly fail. Such is the wont in all aspects of any customer/sales based industry.

I have models out on Thingiverse, Cults and now Printables all of which I have made free to download but state that I’d like recognition rather than recompense. My way of giving back in some small form to the gaming world that I’ve had so much enjoyment out of for so many decades. Luckily, I’m in a position that I don’t need to make money from these things and I see nothing wrong with folks setting up Etsy stores to sell 3D printed stuff… so long as it’s all legal and above board. For instance, my models are free to download but are not licensed for resale (physically or digitally) so they should NOT be seen there. Likewise, I have many commercial licenses for other peoples STLs that I’ve picked up from Kickstarters over the years and nowadays most artists offering licenses ask you to provide details of your trading name, country, websites or selling platforms so that they can create a list to (a) weed out the illegal sellers, and (b) point folks in the direction of a shipping friendly vendor for a model they want printed. It’s a two-way street – the artists need to take steps to protect their work and the buyers need to make sure they’re buying from a reputable source/printer. Any sensible reseller using a commercial license should clearly state who the original artist is and provide the relevant bonafides as to their license.

It is possible to DRM STL files but that only shows in the code, it won’t appear on the finished model.

Great show.
Boot Camp. – Times are hard, but I love the Beasts of War team, community and an excuse for a social booze up. I felt enriched and really happy for the longest time after each event. I still feast on the memories of the two boot camps I made it to and they buoy me up when things get me down. (Walking Dead and the Army Painter Rune Wars) The accommodation, the price of the weekend’s hobby, the gaming goodness picked up and the grub were all value for money in my opinion. I have no idea what air travel prices are doing, with fuel prices fighting with lack of overall travel business both battling it out to come to a value. I have no problem risking travel with a plane packed with potential Covid carriers. (Vaccinated with one booster, observe people’s space and wear masks when I’m told, I feel as protected as I’ll ever be.) Walking Dead is still one of my favourite games to paint for and play, but Rune Wars got built painted and sold on. With that in mind, even with everything I said about the value and experience being great, the game would still be key. I have no place in my heart for Dystopian Wars. I am already pretty invested in my favourite games though, so I am not sure which game would hook me into travelling over. I am working during the UK Games Expo Friday and Saturday, but might try and make it to the Sunday for a chance to see the team and check out the show, but it’s a lot of fuel and would have to come back same day. I pine for interaction and community, but cost and relevence of the hobby on offer to me and my preferences are not factors I am likely to ignore.

STL pricing – I enjoy looking at kitbashes and picking out bits that I recognise from certain companies and thinking whether I can take ideas from that. I keep seeing cool models that are only available from Patreon, only available as STL and a market flooded with miniatures that I can’t ID and don’t feel I will ever probably get an opportunity to own. I guess its a poor attitude to condemn more variety, not to embrace technology or not to hunt for STL printers on Etsy and the like to maybe find some models I like… but I can judge value and feel more comfortable spending money in the familiar selling conventions of companies that I started hobbying with. Though I appreciate that sculptors don’t probably earn enough in comparison to their skill, time and effort, but I can’t warrant spending much more than I already do when I’m the only bread winner in the household. It feels at times that every time I spend money on my games I am depriving my family of a takeaway dinner or that the money would have been better spent on the household in other family centric ways. Storage of my hobby has gotten a bit out of control. With all that in mind, joining a Patreon subscription and buying a bulky 3D printer are not part of my hobby plans for the foreseeable future. Do I appreciate that the potential to build the file forever to get my money’s worth adds huge value to those files? Yes. Do I feel that fact should be reflected in the price we pay? Yes, but how much will people pay when their plan was to only print and paint one of those models? (Would there be a rise in unlicensed printing and selling to try and balance that cost?) Do I appreciate that sculptors need a fair wage to keep doing what they’re doing and that their cost of living is increasing like everyone else? Yes. Would heightened pricing for STL files be another barrier to me considering getting a 3D printer? Yes, probably even with my other answers above. Is that hypocritical or a contradiction? Perhaps, but our budgets and opinions are what they are.

A man spent way too long selling us on the amazing quality and security offered by his patio door system that we asked for a quote on. The price was three times what I could afford. I thanked him for his time and asked him to leave. He found ways to bring the price down, but by that stage trust was lost and it was still an expensive outlay. He looked exasperated and confused why his stratergy had failed. I said that I would never doubt the quality of Rolls Royce. If in an alternative universe the Rolls Royce is the only possible driving option but I could never afford what’s on offer… Then I don’t get to drive any more. Maybe invest in better footware instead? Quality that’s barely affordable is only going to reach a limited market and our industry is already a niche within a niche. Not suggesting that 3D printing is unaffordable, but I am just sharing my outlook on pricing. Companies like 4Ground going out of business when the cost of providing a brilliant product becomes too high I worry about elements of our industry.

Probably not for me, but that’s more because I think that people who haven’t been to one should get a chance first.

What about a virtual bootcamp combo ?
I loved the 40k and Starwars legion bootcamps because I could do some hobby and enjoy a bit of the bootcamp experience at home.

Hi COGz happy Sunday.

The daftest thing about the later terminator films was Dc WHO showing up as one/ciberdine. Which got me thinking is he one of the missing primarchs ?!?.

Nice show guy’s I think that people should be payed for the files they produce like any other product the price will dictate the success of the files.

Happy Sunday.
Three really nice Golden buttons there.

for what it costs for a merchants license people should pay that license i know i do and i get a great deal on that basis