Reply To: A Multitude of Horus Heresy Starter Boxes sent to YouTube creators

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@redscope GW is the 500 pound gorilla in the room. What they do will have an effect on the rest of our hobby.
So even if we aren’t interested in what they produce … we will feel the impact as they effectively set a base line reference.

Heck … I always point towards GW plastic kits as being the best this industry has for beginners. However one should be aware that they are a company … and they do what is good for them, instead of what is good for us (or the hobby).

People have not *that* much to complain about with the likes of Warlord because they don’t reach as big an audience as GW do. I’d suggest reading the comments on SPQR and a few of their more recent releases to see that not everyone is happy with their products.

The big difference is that everyone else still has that ‘indie developer’ vibe, whether or not they deserve it, which gives makes people a bit more likely to forgive the mistakes they do make.

I know that there are hobbies out there that are as expensive as the HH boxed set (I’ve said so in this thread).
However fact is that if you want to play HH games then you are going to have to buy GW products. At the bare minimum you’ll want the rulebook … which is not available outside of the boxed set and we don’t know when it will be. You can bet it won’t be cheap though (60-90 Euro?).

My very first contact with tabletop games was the Rogue Trader rulebook … before it was renamed 40k. I still like huge chunks of the setting, but I simply have grown to dislike how after the initial release of 8th edition they made the same mistakes over again by adding (IMHO) needlessly complexity to a system that was super easy to learn. As such I doubt we will ever get a reaction-based thing in 40k proper. Then again … AoS was kind of a test run for 8th edition 40k so I wouldn’t rule it out completely.

However given that we keep seeing the same pattern of bloat repeating again and again, when other companies have shown a focus on balance and minimizing of bloat that GW never had.  I had high hopes for 40k after 8th edition, but with HH switching back to the abandoned 7th edition they effectively killed any possibility of them ever fixing things.
If 7th really was as good and as balanced a product … we would have seen 7.5 instead of 8th edition … unless that is what 10th edition is going to be. I kind of doubt it as the way 7th is written you can not introduce new rules in codexes, which is something that 8th+ has allowed them to do.

I so love to buy into a proper force of beaky marines. My first plastic set must be somewhere in my pile of opportunity.
I just don’t like how much extra I need to buy before I can use them either in 30k or in 40k/GrimDark proper. It simply isn’t cost effective use to buy one or two boxes of beakies and 3-4 special weapon boxes and then having far too many spare parts …
30k itself just doesn’t feel like an interesting game if all we’re getting is one boring spacemarine army vs another identical boring spacemarine army. I need variety. I need my Orkses, Eldar, Squats and Imperial Guard too.