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Flames Of War 4th Edition Boot Camp: Day Two

Oriskany’s El Alamein Campaign Continues – The British Kick Ass!

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Oriskany's El Alamein Campaign Continues - The British Kick Ass!

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Much like in the actual Battle of El Alamein the British are kicking ass. It's nice to be historically accurate!

How will fortunes change as they move towards the next stage of the campaign and play out some more games on the tabletop.

With the British having the upper hand operationally will they keep their composure or drive into the heart of the German army like madmen.

...we'll leave that up to the Boot Campers.

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cbrenner
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The DAK can still come back.

oriskany
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We manage to turn it around a little bit later. 😀

mo3355
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Keep it up Brits!!

wireme61
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Awesome report. The campaign adds so much more flavor. Great idea. Will you be posting the campaign rules sometime down the road?

oriskany
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Seriously, there really aren’t much in the ways of rules. The winner of a given battle is the “attacker” in the next battle and gets to determine where the next battle takes place. When in doubt, roll off. Add up wins and losses. There, campaign rules. posted. 😀

minty45
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I also thought the DAK would do better.

minty45
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Loving the campaign map

swbeil
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It neat to see the map and how things are going.

eddie117
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Lol not looking good for ze germans

eddie117
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At least it is historically accurate 🙂

eddie117
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I like this oriskany guy he is very knowledgeable and has made me more interested in this time period

oriskany
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Thanks, @sir. 😀

eddie117
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Loving the campaign keep up the good work

glitchingout
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Ouch. Hopefully it won’t be a total route in the next round.

warwolf
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Surprising outcome so far.

graysghost
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No surprise the DAK are getting slaughtered if the British & Commonwealth forces have 17/25pdr ATG. Killing power so is extreme compared to the 6pdr they ought to have. Historically accurate outcome though means of getting there probably unreasonable.

I’m enjoying the event and the new rules appear great fun.

oriskany
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THIS . . . is very true. the 17lbr doesn’t come out until Tunisia later in early 1943. But still, with the Germans and their 88s on the table, it helps to have game balance.

caledor2
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History is repeating again, hhmm.

dimdim
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Bit sad to see the dak get slaughtered like that.

neaceul
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Campaigns change how the game is played. Great fun.

themumblingeagle
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Seems like the Brits outfoxed the Desert Fox so far

sonbae
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Come on DAK!

troybuckle
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I wonder if it’s a sign that one stater force is a little better then the other?

sircaroon15
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I do not like the grant/lee tank design but I would not discount the punch it packs against the little armour the PZ III and PZ IV have at this time of the conflict.

dorthonion
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Probably a stupid question: Allies have 16 tanks, 4 field guns and 2 AT guns whereas Germans have 13 tanks, 4 field guns and 2 AA/AT guns: are the points values the same?

oriskany
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Actually, @dorthonion , the smaller German force costs more in points. I honestly don’t know of the prices of some of the British units, especially the Grants and 25 pounders, should be jacked up just a little.

Also, the the Germans have some upgrades to the PzKpfw III and IV they can take.

Finally, some British units have penalties like 2, 6, and 17-pounders that have no HE shells, only AT ammunition (i.e., it’s tough to engage soft targets like infantry.

The Germans also have some BOSS morale and remount rules. They never run away, you basically have to kill every damned one of them.

Lastly, I think the starter force for the British are a little more “tailored” to fight the German starter force than vice versa. It FEELS like the British are OP’d . But I’m not sure they really would be on the Germans start getting infantry, mortars, etc.

groundpenguin
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So excited for v4! haven’t really gotten any midwar stuff yet but probably going to dip my toe into it soon

phaidknott
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Probably more the effect of 88s in the wrong place one the battlefield. They’ll kill anything they see, but if you deploy them in the wrong place!!!!!!

……eggs in one basket problem. But that happens in games where an army gets very powerful/high cost units (Knights in the Crusade era same issue, they can’t be everywhere).

Equipment vs historical ToEs always going to be an issue in a game that playing with toy soldiers and point values. Be a pretty boring game if you had a Tiger I vs Crusaders, so some liberties have to be taken.

However, nothing wrong with “gimping” your army (by agreement with your opponent), playing with PZer IIs, Italian Armour, British designed armour gives an even game if you select tanks that are comparable with each other (without going for the biggest/nastiest tanks and causing an arms race in the army lists). Sometimes ppl play a tourney game in a friendly atmosphere and can ruin things basically).

Got some 25mm NA stuff, and the hardest tanks are a Matilda II and 50mm armed PZer III. Leaves lots of room for Vickers, M13 Iltalian tanks, armoured cars etc.

…playing with stuff at 75mm guns and above is for wimps 😀

oriskany
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I actually agree with this. ^^^ 😀 Early and mid-war for me.

dakattack
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must admit i too thought dak couldnt loose this time, all those panzer iii and iv and 88 s against those flimsy old brits . guess goliath doesnt beat david in wargames either . great fun guys ,cant wait for more

tibour
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It’s an episode of Timeless you can’t beat history 🙂

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