Weekender XLBS: Did The Vikings Make It To Mexico?
December 4, 2016 by dignity
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Ha ha! First! 😀
Happy Sunday!
Happy Sunday! I like the idea of the subscription for a quarterly miniature for painting.. Given how lax (and rubbish) I am at painting, I’d probably never submit one, but I’d certainly sign up!
@ beast of war . if you guys really want original beast of war mini for the community we need to talk
Did Warren say that Mexico is in South America? It is in North America, but I may has misheard. 🙂
Sorry my bad!
I wasnt entirely sure where all these cultures are located 🙂
But very happy to learn though!
Ahh, I see your confusion. Mexio is a country, not a culture. I’m gonna miss not having a Weekender next week!
I believe the strip of land that connects North and South America is called Central America, or I’m sure it was in the Atlas I had in school
I believe it is called Central America, but it’s part of the North America continent 😉
There’s a comic Captain Mesoamerica from a Parallel Earth – he got zombified
Will it still be after the wall is built ? 🙂
Happy Sunday!
@ warzen if you are interested in an original sculpt for beast of war mini for the community we need to talk..
Happy Sunday!
I am considering the gaming options… Like Ragnar Lothbruk vs Lizardmen!?!? 😉
The Mayans lived in the Yucatan peninsula -which is the bit of modern Mexico that sticks out into the Gulf of Mexico separating it from the Caribbean sea, close to the frolic.
Navigationally I wonder whether the ancient mariners would have used the tropic to venture and explore in the summer. Even with a flat earth belief the high point of the sun on its arc across the sky would have provided a reliable aid. Who’s to say sub-Saharan merchant/adventurers wouldn’t have tried this before following what we now call the North-East trade winds from the shores of N Africa whereas the Vikings would probably have hugged the coast of N America.
Fascinating!!!
Love the idea of vikings vs lizard men!!!
@brennon @coxjul pick a rule set for this guys, saga, aos or something else?
With the new Matt Damon film coming out your going to have material for fantasy v historic soon as well. The oriental army miniature ranges have been expanding recently and with the Bushido/4ground conflab I hope we see some more Hollywood inspired ‘out of the box’ scenarios people have a go at.
Bloody spell checker! “Frolic” == Tropic
…and what was happening in The Long Ships? – I watched this as a kid.
Sidney Poitier was a Moor with a torture slide :-O
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f8u9YAR_kA
Swords against armour – that’s for the movies. Anyone who wanted to do damage took a good mace/blugeoning weapon such as a hefty rock on a stick – if it’s sharp too then even better.
Agility and skill could often defeat cumbersome heavy armour.
And mud, saw in interesting documentary about Agincourt that showed in all likelihood those armoured would have struggled to move around the battlespace due to.their footwear and the conditions on the day. Had a quick look and managed to find the video. It’s worth a watch and raises some interesting questions.
https://youtu.be/LVuVtP_xepU
@34:45 “Tan-Genital” Ben ?!? Warren’s clearly rubbing off on you – actually that doesn’t come out right either.
Sounds like someone needs to put their loin cloth on in the sun or at least slap some factor 50 on it.
I think you meant “tangential”.
Ummm… Are we still doing phrasing? 😉
Yup…that’s the one, bloody genitals 😉
The other cultural source that “Tales from the loop” taps into for me is the Scandinavian fascination with Trolls lumbering around the empty forests and tundra etc.
If you haven’t seen the 2010 Norwegian film “Troll Hunter” then find it and watch it – in the dark on a cold wintry night with a gale brewing outside.
Doh – listen through the article before commenting!
Great minds think alike mate eh lol
How long until BoW2.0 allows us to edit &/or delete posts? 😉
Lol
It would not surprise me in the slightest to learn that Vikings did make it to Mexico, and even down into South America.Hell, we already know that they were amongst the most gifted race of sailors in human history, their exploits only surpassed (from what I have read anyway) by the Polynesian peoples who colonised islands across the Pacific.
And people forget that the likes of obsidian and flint can take incredibly sharp edges. Might not be as hard wearing as an edge of bronze, iron or steel, but If you know the skillset for knapping and have the base material, plus a harder stone, then you can have a remarkable toolkit to hand at all times….
I must have a go at knapping some of these days. Working stone could be very theroputic!
I’d be up for the quarterly painting. Would be cool to have a random challenge even couple of months.
I would totally be on board for a subscription based painting competition. If it takes off it should also be quite easy to expand it with different themed challenges to really push the painting experience.
Oh man, Psycho-Pass is a brilliant example there. Word of warning – the first season is great, but Season 2 is kindof a mess outside of progressing the individual character arcs. The movie is pretty great though as a return to form that asks some interesting, difficult questions as the Sybeal System is exported for the first time outside of Japan (Season 2 had a different writer, hence the “issues”)….
Season 1 was on Netflix but subtitled is available via Crunchyroll (you can get sign up for a free account and watch it) and dubbed is on Funimation Now (may need to pay for a subscription but they have a fairly low charge – if nothing else it gets you access to a HUGE library of anime from a huge range of genres)
whole-heartedly agree on Psycho-Pass.
Also @warzan it is pounced Dav-ith I am sure I am not doing it the best in my videos but after third time well…
Maybe we should give Warran a bunch of Welsh names to see how well he does with those. ;). Fairly sure half the reason Welsh words are spelt the way they are is as revenge against the English for nicking all the vowels in Scrabble 😛
cornish is the real “revenge” celtic language…
To be fair, even most Welsh folks look at my name ago “Do what?”
Happy Sunday!
i’d subscribe to miniatures painting. I need get painting.
In regards to the black knight, it kinda sounds like a drone that’s been sent ahead of an invasion fleet. It’s doing recon that being sent back to the fleet. It pops up every now and then because it’s updating the advancing fleet on technological developments, changes in geology and geo political changes. The civilisation the drone belongs to may be several hundreds years away in terms of travelling distance. The black knight is the advance party gathering vital intelligence for the invasion fleet that’s following behind it. That’s one outlandish theory, it’d deffo make a good jumping off point for a Earth invasion game 😉
I thought Black Knight might be a survey satellite – like the cloaked station in Star Trek Insurrection…
or a spy platform/orbiting modem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw41pJtU6eY
Most of the other Alien bases on earth are under the poles or in the deep ocean. There is a circular Alien Spacecraft parked in the Baltic Ocean. Its even older than the Black Knight.
But every time salvage crews/international science teams get near it their equipment shorts out 🙂
Vikings vs. Azteks vs. Mayans that could be a great campaign, with the Vikings being with out reinforcements, but having veterans warriors and steel weaponry.
Could even start with some low level magic.
Pegasos = the original Greek name
Pegasus = the Latinised version of the name
It’s a 2nd declension noun in both langauges, so if there was a plural of Pegasos (which there isn’t) it would be *Pegasoi, and if there was a plural of Pegasus (which I’m not aware of) it would be *Pegasi. The asterisk denotes the word does not exist. When a noun travels fully-formed between langauges, then it’s acceptable to pluralise it either in the original language or the new language. For example, codex in English can be pluralised as codexes (English) or codices (Latin). Or forum can be forums or fora. As there is no plural of Pegasos in Greek or Pegasus in Latin, then the English plural would be Pegasoses or Pegasuses.
romans go home
I’d be up for having a go at the mini painting subscription thing. Ss long as I could afford it of course!
If battlefield technology becomes advanced enough that firearms/munitions can recognize and differentiate between friend and foe future battles will become almost entirely fought by hackers. Why send out troops when you can make the other side shoot themselves with their own smart weapons.
I expect its only a matter of time before our drone fleets start getting hacked. Unfortunately in the case of modern drones the most likely result of a hack would be to make the drones fire on innocent civilian targets to make the drones owners out to be vicious murderers.
+1
There’s also the issue of civilians getting caught in a war zone; how would ‘smart’ weapons recognise them? I doubt they’d have the luxury of carrying an IFF transmitter or having some signifying feature the weapon could pick up on, so the ‘smart’ weapon would have to be programmed to log anyone without such IFF/features as a non-com, in which case, why would the enemy use theirs when they could turn it off/wear a disguise/etc and attack with conventional firearms with your retaliation being hamstrung as your weapons lock up thinking your facing non-coms.
Also, also, such a system is dependent on all troops getting an update on schedule. If for some reason the IFF system on one group isn’t updated, then they’ll register as enemies to their allies and their allies would register as enemies to them.
Boot Camp incoming 🙂
Warren – The Champions RPG from Hero Games is in its 6th edition. I played back in high school back in the mid 80s, and it was a ton of fun, making your own heroes and teaming up with friends, and fighting Either Villians from Hero’s source books or those our GM created. The Hero System has always been based on a point buy system, and was just a ton of fun.
Great show guys. Yes I’m very keen for the painting competition, loved the first one and would really enjoy participating.
On another point which I’ve been meaning to “raise” for some time now….@warzan we should have a sweepstake on the number of sexual innuendos you have per show. Maybe we could then have a sweepstake on the number of times Justin picks up on them… Always makes for a good laugh during the show …. keep it up… excuse the pun
I really like the idea of the community quarterly painting. The upcoming Boot camp has inspired me to put some paint onto my UCM and this would continue in that vein. I think a good method of doing it would be to vary the models themes into 4 types e.g. fantasy/sci-fi/historical/other. This will potentially take some of us out of our comfort zones where we only ever paint certain models because we can do that skin tone really well. I would like an addition though and that would be a single mini for the BoW awards sent in plenty of time. Each year this model would encapsulate what you have learned and showcase your growth, hopefully improving in some elements of its painting each time which you would see year to year.
I think the Black Knight is just a universal channel broadcasting satellite. Like the Truman Show, the Human Show taps into every camera on earth to allow everything else to sit down after a hard day’s flying through space or keeping the planet running and flick to their favourite human reality show.
Count me in for the painting sub!
Vikings in Mexico..? As plausible as Romans in China I suppose.
Never heard of a Black Knight in space but if it’s indeed an alien device intercepting signals from earth I’m not sure if it’s gonna come back after this years events. 😉
Black Knight might be a big modem waiting to highjack our machines when we get to a sufficient drone/automatic war-machine tech level 🙁
I like to think Black Knight might shoot lasers at Asteroids coming to close to earth…
…or the world-modem waiting to upload and transfer human souls to the next ‘player-level’ after we die…
That’s why we should defiantly not mess about with it – you have to assume that the high tech alien/future human civilisation that placed it there could have destroyed primitive mankind long ago…
About the discovery of America, I had class mate who was interested in all things strange and hard to explain. One time we were taking about who first discovered America because one other student had heard the story about the Vikings that you mention here. That first student said that there are signs that the Egyptians might have been going to America as well because they found things in some tombs that could only be found in America at that time. I have never researched it so I don’t know if it is actually true or not.
@warzan I like listening to your crap, it is one of the best times of the day and in the meantime do some hobby work.
I love the idea of the annual subscription and quaterly painting competition. The one with the slaugther priest was a blast and i would absolutly join this!
Like the idea of the painting competition would definitely be interested. Would like a cheap buy in though to make this widely available for everyone. Thinking larger you could also do a Backstage plus subscription and this includes 4 miniatures a year but I think this may be harder for you guys as you would need the up front capitol.
Also loved ben trying not to laugh as he describes the “shaft” to Justin.
Good point. We don’t need “this quarter’s mini is Magnus the Red, have your £80 ready everyone!” 😀
That has been the headache of trying to think how to do a follow up to the slaughter priest comp, though from the the discussions we have had the idea would be that the subscription would enable a level playing field/study subject. Too early to discuss amounts but i would suspect an annual amount to be in the vicinity of a cup or two of starbucks a month for a year…
We would want it to be as inclusive and “democratic” as possible a mini choice, and hopefully something which would be fun to paint and not necessarily what you would usually paint.
Could kick it off with a tutorial from Romain to allow those who want to improve and not necessarily compete via a tutorial to give it a go? Another incentive to take part.
I would be interested in the specific painting challenge. It would perhaps be more interesting to add variety so single models and small units perhaps …. but subject to cost would be interested.
From the discussions we have had so far its more likely to be a single mini but from any genre, so fantasy, historical, ww2, near future, far future, pulp a lot of variety so there should be somthing for everyone and no reason to stay in comfort zones, hope to encourage people to paint something they would never have dreamed of, with the golden rule of no paint job is to bad to enter, you have no excuses 😉
+1 for the minis subscription thing. I’ve no illusions that I’d be a contender but having something different would break the monotony of whatever I’m doing at the time (like currently getting a bit jaded with the encounter table for Frostgrave) and just that “paint something unexpected, get better” idea.
Also it sounds like a laugh. Yeah count me in!
@somegeezer the golden rule from the slaughter priest competition was “No paint job is to bad to enter, you have no excuses”
If this gets off the ground i hope for it to become a welcome distraction from the monotony of army painting and also as a bit of a spring board for pushing your self with 🙂
happy sunday ! I cant imagine how did you managed top prepare everything for bootcamp ! I am missing vlogs but I am guessing thats the reason, all hands on board !
Happy sunday!
Would be very interested in a community painting challenge. Always good to try painting something different from your normal hobby genre/companies.
So, the Black Knight. If we’re sending landers to Mars and comets in our system, the question should be asked, why are we not sending something up to look at this? Or maybe the answer is we already are, but the truth is being kept secret. NASA/US Air Force’s X-37B project purpose remains top secret and it spends years in orbit…. maybe it’s up there monitoring the Black Knight? (Love a good conspiracy 🙂 )
oh I like painting competition idea and count me in on one condition, Warren @warzan have to take part in it ! and support prove that is him not John painting.
I like that idea 😉
smart bombs and stupid people.
That’s just technology following the prevailing trend. 😉
I would be extremely excited to join in on a quarterly painting event. Sounds awesome. I’m in, Take my money
@warzan On the theories of who would fire directly at someone, everything I’ve read would suggest that there has always been the few that could kill one on one, whether in melee or from range, Roman Legions and Greek Phalanx would have the group behind a wall of shields stabbing through it (mostly blind just lashing out at who was in front the other side of a shield), but there would be ‘Killers of Men’ who would be skilled and prepared to kill one on one. Coming to the age or archers they mostly fired en-mass into groups at a distance so they would mot be shooting at any one in particular, more modern times say Napoleonic you had mass fire from muskets into other mass groups, with ‘Chosen Men’ sharp shooters as a screen in front of both groups who would shoot at individuals.
Then we have the sniper, someone that for a long time military and political leaders had no very little belief in (on moral grounds apparently) whose sole purpose is to kill the individual and so they are a very small and elite group, not just due to skill and training.
Modern rifle training in today’s rifle units is mostly about rate and as this extract from the US Marine Rifle Squad Manual says under effect of rifle fire “The area in which the enemy is located can usually be determined by the sound of his firing. Troops may distribute continues fire in width and depth to cover the entire area, causing the enemy to keep his head down and making his fire ineffective” suggests that group fire is the norm, not shooting at an individual, (despite the firing at a man shaped target on the range) as I guess military trainers have learned over the years you can train a man to fight/shoot not necessarily to kill.
Phew this grew as I typed it 🙂
So comments 😀
There is a lot to say on just a few things you have said and I am only half way through o_0
As for the hobby competition stuff, I am more than happy to try and facilitate stuff if you guys need, as you guys brought up and as I have been encouraging a lot on the WAYPN thread community feedback is sometimes more important than the painting itself. I don’t think the thread would be the same without Querion and Seldon9 doing the feedback they do. So yeah I agree.
The other thing is I think there may be a slight problem with the mini of the season idea. The Tyranny of distance, it will work really well for the European people, but as someone who sends international packages semi regularly, it will be difficult to make it cost effective. I mean some companies may really want to jump on board, I have no idea of your consumer advocacy pull with companies, but I am certain that people take note sometimes. So if you could get deals for minis that would really do something for it.
That’s it for the painting subject… unless you bring up some more on painting later ha ha
As for your ideas of would people fire or not follow up.
The modern army is as different now as technology is before the industrial revolution, psychology wise, the army of today as of to the army of WWII is the musket to the V2 rocket.
So Warren was 100% right when he said working class or unfortunates are often the targets of army recruits, in America and some other places some do it to avoid gang life, or as a marker of prestige among such organisations. At any rate Warren is right in that there is an economic conscription not a whole lot of recruiters in the Hampton. However there was a major conflict that changed everything, Vietnam.
Vietnam was the perfect storm to cause PTSD, and psychologists have been studying it ever since, it mainly has to do with pre-morbid states and a whole lot of psychology gobbldy gook your not interested in… but since then, the army has become one of the biggest employers of psychologist and there is all sorts of psychological screening to prevent this. Not just screening but mental preparation.
However, a lot of it has to do with the training. A friend of mine has done some special forces training and one the things you may not have expected is this, continual repetition. He spent a whole day on walking through doors, and taking position, a door is a very bad spot to be because fire is often pointed in that direction it is the only source of light and so on. See most people in combat situations will report something along these lines “My training kicked in”.
Unlike the people of yesteryear these people aren’t operating on conscious thought, they are in a flow state where actions and thoughts are one. They aren’t deciding to pull a trigger, they are doing what they have done not a hundred times before, not a thousand times before, but so often that it is second nature to them.
We as a species are very lucky in that we have a whole lot of psychological barriers to killing people. Psychologists and the army have worked very hard to work around that, flow states, compartmentalisation, and cognitive dissonance denial. This the major advantage that western armies have, far beyond our technological supremacy.
Very interesting. This makes sense from a conscription stand point but doesn’t really hold up when we look at WW1 and especially Britain. Contrary to every single movie, novel, tv show and any other media British Officers were not cowards, Generals would not be 20 Miles behind the lines and the casualty rate among British Officers was higher than that of the enlisted men. Basically if you were a rich, well educated and well trained officer you were more likely to be killed than a regular soldier. Officers were expected to stand and be calm at all times and be totally unbothered by enemy fire. As Winston Churchhill said “It’s no use ducking the bullets have already passed you” and General Longford “Don’t bother ducking, the men don’t like it and it doesn’t do any good”. His body was never found.
Obviously Vietnam was different but everything about that war was different to previous conflicts. Sort of a meeting of guerilla warfare, automatic weapons, incredibly powerful and small explosives mixed with the cold effectivness of the Communist Intelligence Networks basically eliminating any local US support. I don’t beleive in any form of forced service. People are far more productive and innovative when left to their own devices. If you take a young man straight out of school and put him in the army for 2 or 3 years how can he compete with someone who now has a degree or a trade? I also beleive it cheapens the actual service of veterans. Sort of an “If everyone’s special no one is” deal where as today in places like the USA, the UK and Australia Veterans are honoured as volunteers that sacrificed for their country not just guys who did it to stay out of prison.
Great show guys.
A few corrections. The Aztec Empire was founded in 1428 so they wouldn’t have fought the vikings but the Mayans were a lot older and that’s possible. When it comes to Cortez getting allies almost all of them were not Mayan but Tlaxcalan doesn’t change any gaming just history. Last one. On the Armour the Obsidian swords could not cut through the armour they’d shatter on it. What the Obsidian was good at was wounding and disabling (since Aztecs fight for captives it’s perfect) and Cortez who had about 300-700 men suffered almost no casualties in battle with the Aztecs proving the effectiveness of their armour. The most casualties I know of came when Cortez’s men tried to swim and some drowned weighed down by armour and treasure.
I will get you either a theory or a brilliant story during the week @warzan maybe the story of John Dancaster the original Hollywood action hero (Medieval Period) or the theory of Prince Edward IV being a Bastard (and hence all the Modern Royal Family being illegitimate and the real royal family living in Outback Australia) or maybe the theory that the Black men in your story were Carthaginians who travelled to the Americas.
The expression on Ben’s face whenever Warren makes yet another dubious remark is priceless.
Vikings vs. Aztecs sounds awesome. I guess it will be a very bloody game.
I didn’t get into the Slaugther Priest competition, since I haven’t played Warhammer or read White Dwarf for a long time. But I’d be interested in the quarterly painting competition. It would be a nice way to get hold of something new I wouldn’t consider picking up in the shop. And given how eager companies are to participate in a Bootcamp, surely it must be possible for plenty of companies to sponsor some cool miniatures for the competition.
Regarding Kickstarter I agree with supporting only for as much as you can spare. I think I’m pretty much Kickstartered out for this lifetime. I went in for Dark Souls, Mythic Battles: Pantheon. The Edge (mostly for the awesome Bell Crow) and only last week I added Kingdom Death to the list.
With everything coming my way in the next few years I think I have my hobby time sorted and have plenty of board gamey goodness to keep me occupied for years. Even when the original campaigns for these games run dry I think the models can mix and match well enough to create my own adventures in any of these settings.
@warzan: “I don’t know what the bandages are about” isn’t it obvious? The natives were fighting an army of mummies; obviously the Egyptians got there even earlier and at some point the mummies they entombed in secrecy tombs rose up and attacked the Mayans ;p
On the topic of sensors and IFF preventing friendly fire, I’m put in mind of the Starship Troopers film; specifically one of the scenes where they’re training with live fire rounds and one of the troopers has a problem with his equipment and removes his helmet to fix it and as a result the IFF on another trooper’s rifle doesn’t ping him as a friend and prevent the rifle being fired which results in the second trooper firing and accidentally killing the first trooper. I could easily see similar instances happening in real life if troopers became too dependent on such ‘safety’ measures; if the target’s IFF is broken or malfunctioning then it could lead to an increase in friendly fire. And tying into what warhammergrimace recounted and into the previously mentioned topic of drone warfare, a human will have that extra layer of instinct which could prevent a friendly fire incident that a drone/automatic emplacement/etc would lack; in his recount if there was something that locked up a weapon when pointed at a friendly, then if the American troopers’ ID hadn’t been loaded into his gun (not unreasonable considering the troopers in question didn’t have the password) and he’d fired thinking that the installed IFF system would have prevented a friendly fire incident, then he’d have killed/injured those troops whereas his innate human instincts prevented the incident.
Also, such ‘smart’ weaponry will face an obstacle when it comes to civilians; civilians caught up in a warzone probably aren’t going to have the luxury of picking up an IFF that tags them as civilians, so if the smart gun is programmed to only lock up for friendly tags, if soldiers rely on the IFF over their instincts, then they’ll end up shooting civilians by accident.
Great XLBS.
Well done Andy on the Golden Button. I liked that you chose an aged pale look to the skull (on the spike in his shoulder) because most of us went for the classic skeleton bone creamier colour.
I’d be up for the quarterly miniature challenge.
I think you could convince some of your company contacts to do this fairly cheaply, because they can write off some cost against the potential advertising. I know that companies must have seen the vast number of people on social media sharing their efforts to paint up the Slaughter Priests. We may never discover the numbers but how many more copies of AoS, Gorechosen or especially White Dwarf were sold as a result of that miniature and boost in interest it created?
Vikings in South America? They seemed to get everywhere. I guess I don’t doubt it.
Please do some Saga coverage? I have the rules and dice and some part painted miniatures. Haven’t got a game in yet sadly, but I am really taken with the game. A play through with Ben and Justin would be cool. (Or even a boot camp?)
Happy gaming.
I would be into a miniature mailout.
Hi warren,
I can’t tell if you’re having a laugh or not, but I think you’re assumptions about ancient civilization are maybe a little grand. We tend to think of history in epochs because we have seen a few of them – the atomic age, the space age, the digital age; but the pace we are moving at is exponential, in the past, technology and advancement was much more moderate, slow even – as evidenced by material finds.
Additionally, when you say civilization, or when you read it; we must be aware of the context – steam powered london was modern for its context and digital dubai for our day; likewise a fence is quite civilized for some ancient peoples while others would scoff at a city without a temple.
Sites like Göbekli Tepe or Jerico represent areas of long-term settlemnt at the beginning of the new stone age but to compare them to Sumerian city-state is a bit like saying the greeks had libraries and written messengers, so they are perhaps the first incidence of the internet – in a certain context that is true, but it shouldn’t be seen as a similar state of advancement.
As far as flooding goes, this isn’t the first attempt to loke astrological events to history and explain biblical or other fabled events. The truth is that the mesopotamian region is fairly flat and so heavy rains can cause rivers to flood easily and even change course – see the red river area of north america for modern examples. This is far more likely to be the basis of flood stories than neolithic tsunamis.
However, the bloop in the arctic, that was definitely Jörmungandr and the end is near, so why worry about ancient history!
Great idea to have a quarterly painting competition / participation event. If you make it a Jan-Dec thing, or perhaps a Dec-Nov thing, then you could show off all the winners at the Beasties too. That would be cool, whether or not there was an actual Beastie for it. It would be nice for the award ceremony to draw a bit more upon the BoW community, even if the awards themselves are for the people doing things in the wider industry.
Any chance of some Justins and Dragins figures for the painting for the painting competition?
Quarterly painting challenge sounds like a good idea to me, I guess it really depends on the buy in cost.
Smart weapons not firing on friendly troops because of an IFF tag is great in theory but what happens when the enemy gets hold of some of them and suddenly you can’t shoot them? Do you then have to find a work around or override for your weapon? Malfunctions and countermeasures are always possible with tech as well, what happens when your IFF says it’s working just fine but isn’t or the battery dies or a hundred other possibilities?
Great show!
Even if the Vikings didn’t make Central America or South America, the whole what if in history and the potential to game in it is such a fun area to explore… Irish v Skraelings in the bogs of Connacht following an epic journey from North America would be a cool game… and a cool start to a “what if” the New World colonised the West!
Regarding the subscription for miniatures, it might be an idea to look at what some of the others in the industry do. Wargames Illustrated release a new model each month in their Giants in Miniature range, and I buy those. Won’t find a use for all but lovely wee figures. If you did something similar each quarter, I would be up for it! Plenty of companies you could link with, Mantic, North Star, Bad Squiddo, Warlord etc who all have a vast range of different figures and I am sure would enjoy the cross promotion.
Agree with @warzan Otherworld have some of the best models in the industry… you do pay a premium price but the quality is there.
Saint Brendon went to America…
Irland it Mikla (Boston?)
I would love the quarterly mini painting competition but that would only work in the EU. Other members like myself in other parts of the world would be too expensive with shipping. An alternative if possible would be to co-sponsor with a global company like one of the paint brands who already have major discount deals or companies like Miniature Marketplace or CoolstuffInc who ship enough to get better rates.
Unless you can make it affordable to participates from other parts, your audience will be EU only.
Finally, I am surprised you do not have a Christmas themed challenge running. Have people create a game related holiday ornament of some sort. It does not need to be XMas specific since there many other religions celebrating this month but it must be holiday themed.
I love the idea of a ” mini of the month” club. I would definitely participate
Holy crap! at 22:45 – that is a “Navarone” army play set! I had this when I was a kid! I recognized it immediately! Damn, I wish I still had that now. Amazing work!
In related news, the “cheapie” plastic army men that came with this were amazing quality. Not quite actual “miniatures” … but for plastic army men they were amazing. The Germans actually had German kit and helmets (not just “gray or tan” green army men). You could see the expressions on the men’s faces and everything.
100% onboard for the quaterly painting thing 🙂
The black Knight picture you guys have reminds me of the “spaceship” in star trek IV.. Havent seen that in ages though :p
Vikings and African tribes fighting eachother in Mexico… Is that another way of saying Anything goes? 🙂
During the course of my hobby adventures, I finf that I often end up with mounds of miniatures to build/paint in a short amount of time. I’m good at painting stuff to an average-good standard so it looks good on the table-top but I never spent time on a miniature “just for fun”.
The quarterly challenge could be a good opportunity for me and I’d be very tempted to jump in if the entry cost is something I can fit in my budget.
The Mayan/ Aztec mural: is that a Viking longship in the top left corner?
@warzan: if you like historical what-ifs, you should read 1421: The Year China Discovered the World, by Gavin Menzies. He presents evidence to suggest a Chinese fleet may have discovered America almost a century before Columbus set sail.
the ‘big snake’ in the sacrifice scene is probably-defiantly the dragon prow of a Viking Long-ship!
The miniature thing is interesting, but yeah not sure I’m that great a painting. Might be interesting though.
@phoen31 its for all abilities as long as you enjoy slapping colour on mini’s then its for you, one thing i would really hope to bring forward from the slaughter priest competition is the golden rule of “no paint job is to bad to enter, you have no excuses” if anything setting your self a challenge to paint to best of your ability and being able to have a retrospective over the year of your progression in ability is always a nice way to demonstrate to your self that you have improved 🙂
You got Zahi Hawass perfectly! Can’t stand the man myself, and to be honest most Egyptologists! Are we expected to believe that they haven’t excavated under the Sphinx to find the alleged Hall of records? Also in regard to Vikings in South America…the Olmecs were around before the Aztec and Maya, they left giant stone heads probably made out of boulders left over from glaciers that had distinctly African features (the stone heads…not the glacier!)
Just to potentially blow your mind…Australian aborigines have in their genes the characteristics of all modern humans…i.e. They can look Asian, African, Caucasian, etc, have red, blond, black or brown hair, could they be the source of ‘modern man’ rather than the traditional ‘out of Africa theory’?
Or I’m just talking out my arse?
@warzan
Loving the crazy theories you’re pulling out, I’m not sure if you’ve talked about the piri reis map yet? I first heard of it in Hancocks book “Fingerprints of the Gods” (which it sounds like you have read), I’m sure it would blow Justins mind!
On a similar vein have you heard of the show “The Curse of Oak Island”? It’s a “Men with beards go to work” style show dealing with an archaeological investigation/treasure hunt into Oak Island off the coast of Nova Scotia and is full of all sorts of crazy theories and interesting facts, I reckon it’d be right up your street!
Awesome show as always , I’d be down for a model painting thingy every quarter , be good to learn different techniques and styles that other people do just to try and improve my painting and the community painting as a whole.
On the subject of the Black Knight’s intermittent presence and disappearance just goes to show that even super advanced alien researchers are not immune to the problems of finding consistent funding. 😛
My favourite ‘lost civilisation’ is the Dinosaur one…
Bioraptor macloughlini
A dinosaur wearing jewellery, carrying a ray gun, and thinking about nuclear holocaust (John McLaughlin 1984).
I think it’s because they looked like ‘Hunter-Slayers’ (original Tyranids)
http://dinosauroidia.blogspot.co.uk/
Museum models of ‘evolved’ dinosaurs creep me out :-O
a great XLBS the black knight sounds like some of the films over the years with aliens monitoring the planet could be the federation? independence’s day? the real illuminati? the list is nearly endless.
Black Knight is to shoot down asteroids and protect primitive earth…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJjGUz3z_p8
I am also interested in the quarterly miniature competition idea!
Someone has to tell Warren that conscription definition is compulsory enlistment for state service. So basically it the government going to you, “You! your in the military now.” The military target below the poverty line youth which isn’t conscription in any sense.
Yup totaly understand, what im talking about though is not quite as black and white as the straight up definition of the word 🙂
@warzan Maybe someone else has said this and I missed it, but I think a subscription for beasts of war exclusive minis would we great. I’d love to have a chibi Warzan to play in Super Dungeon, a John Lyons as Bolt Action Tank Commander in a t-shirt (with a tank on it). I love to have Warren and Lloyd figures for walking dead to build a campaign built around surviving in an ice-cream truck. Or even just some Justins and Dragins minis that might not be meant for any specific game. I’m not sure how this would work legally, but I know Rodney Smith at “Watch it Played” had some officially licensed promos for some of the games he covered. You could be mountee Rodney in Last night, etc.
If this model subscription was just a model I could buy on my own, I would be less likely to pull the trigger and buy it, then if it is a unique, one-time opportunity.
Regardless, I think you guys should make up some Walking Dead character cards for the BoW team.
Great Show!
Lance in nurse’s scrubs… Zombie John chained to a hobby table… Ben’s head floating in box for sci-fi games…
As you can see, I have loads of ideas for this.
tales from the loop looks good.
I asked were the kingdom death links had gone only to find you have plastered the main page with it, great job.
Great show as always.
@warzan, would love to hear your theories on what happened to the only Australian Prime Minister that disappeared when he went for a swim at the beach in 1967, Harold Holt.
Love the idea of the painting challenge minis, I’d definately be up for it….. just got to get a decent camera for taking the pic’s to post.
I am assuming that the annual ANZAC bikkies will be required again around April next year?
We need you to come with the bikkies mate! 🙂
@warzan Have you read much of Thor Heyerdahl’s exploits? He built a raft using old Incan techniques and sailed it from South America out towards the Polynesian islands in an attempt to discover if it was possible for a South America culture to colonised Polynesia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Heyerdahl#Kon-Tiki_expedition
He later built a boat based on what we understood of old Egyptian efforts and tried to sail across the Atlantic. That attempt failed but a second boat succeeded. Again, not proof there was definite contact, just a proof of concept.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Heyerdahl#Boats_Ra_and_Ra_II
Heyerdahl is Norwegian so basically a viking 😉
Also, the geology of the Yucatan region is quite unusual and different to much of the rest of Mexico. Much of the rock is soluble meaning there aren’t many surface water features. Instead you find a lot of sinkholes, called Cenotes, which are used to access underground water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucat%C3%A1n_Peninsula#Geology
They can be very picturesque and might make for a different look to a board. There’s a large example near Chichen Itza. Do an image search in Google for:
Sacred Cenote chichen itza
I thought I’d just make a point on the Mayan imagery you pointed out. I did a tour of a lot of Mexican ruins a few years back and in one, Palenque I think, they showed us some murals showing the exploits of a king and then of his son. In the transitional murals the father was rendered in a smaller size to the son. The guide said this was to show the father had died, become a spirit and now his son was the big man. The main point is they didn’t really know what it meant but the size of a person in each image had a meaning outside of something’s physical properties. I appreciate you weren’t claiming your comments were facts.
On a side note if you’re interested in the written culture of the Mayans you can’t help but run across Diego de Landa. When the church first got to central and southern American they told their priests not to prosecute the locals to harshly and treat them as children since they didn’t have a deep understanding of Christianity. De Landa changed that and led a bloody inquisition against the local culture; torturing and killing many and destroying artifacts and texts. Yet contrarily he recorded what he could about the culture and retained most of our remaining copies of indigenous Mayan literature. Much of our current source material comes from him.
Mexico has a fascinating history and architecture. I’d be happy to stick vikings in against Mayan / Aztec cultures just for the sake of it.
I enjoyed the show. See you all at the bootcamp.
@justin
Psycho Pass is a great anime. Very relevant to the subject matter.
Tales from the Loop reminds me of Half Life a bit, especially the mechs which tatally take me back to half-life 2.
@warzan
So regarding the last item on the XLBS, the end of the re imagined Battlestar Galactica was bang on then? 😀
Awesome weekender again guys, keep it up.
Love the Vikings theory, I’d never heard it before it’s definitely something I’m going to look into myself. Maybe a few new models wouldn’t go amiss!!
I’d be onboard with the miniature subscription thing. Great way to get people painting and trying something outside of their comfort zone. Could be also a great way for sponsors of BoW to promote their stuff.
I’d definitely sign up for the mini quarterly thing. Sounds like an awesome challenge, to do something I maybe wouldn’t normally do.
@warzan I am so up for the quarterly comp! make it happennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
Ola – So the Black Knight. It may be real, it may not but I believe the famous photo at least has been debunked. I saw a YouTube doco where it explained that the shape was actually a piece of cloth about the size of a hand towel that was debris from a previous space mission, we know space is full of such litter & its more plausible than an alien satellite.
I’d be interested in the quarterly Minis. It’s nice to have some variety. I’d recommend though that they be generic enough to fit into different games.
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Great show again everyone. You mentioned Graham Hancock and I’ve had a great day running through videos of his lectures and TV programmes. I’d totally forgotten about his antediluvian civilisation theories. I’m sure I read the book back in the 1990’s and it all starts to seem a bit more credible now for some reason. Must be your knack of explaining things @warzan!
I am up for the quarterly miniature sounds like fun, On the Vikings i cant find the article but some archeologists say they found another viking village farther south in Canada I wish i could find it.
Crap? Nothing smelly over here! 😛
Now where did I leave that space blanket?
@warzan
I do not think the idea of the subscription providing models purely for the competition will work, will be too much hassle for too few people interested to make it worth it.
How about your own version of a “Mystery box” 4 times per year one of the items inside (or more) can be used for the quarterly competiton(s).
It isn’t necessarily being done for profit so it’s worth it as long as there are people interested and enjoying it and it would only take a handful of people each month to make it “worth it” in terms of the competition. But I think you’d be surprised just how many people would actually be interested in this, there was a forum discussion about it and this was recurring theme. The mystery box isn’t something I would pay for – I generally don’t blind buy anything, I might make an exception for a single miniature for the specific use of a painting competition.
This was a great chat show. It would be awesome if you guys did this every morning. I just got a backstage pass and it is totally worth it. If you need a poster boy for the backstage pass ads I am willing.
Is Justin the guy everyone makes fun of on the show? He is such a nice person. Stop being bullies!
I was ‘researching’ other matters and found this…
Alien Money in a loft!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNieyQa8XnI
No. 5 – ‘Alien Coin’!!!
Mayan Spaceship = Black Knight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgfFXgTsSbc
The Mayans also had jetbikes:
I’m also citing that 80s cartoon as evidence…
Hell yes I would be interested in getting involved in a quarterly painting competition! Even if it was a subscription, I’d definitely pay it
@warzan you guys should investigate the Dyatlov Pass incident, its really spooky, 9 hikers died in mysterious circumstances.
Do it!
The Hellenic word for Pegasus is Pegasos, the plural (if there were to be one) would most likely be Pegasoi (in the same form as Kataphractos and Kataphractoi)