You’re Never too far from a Veer-Myn…
March 17, 2012 by brennon
The lovely chaps at Mantic Games have shown off some more shots of the Veer-Myn race that will be pitted against the Corporation in Project Pandora. Check out a squad of these space vermin below and see what you think of them...
These Veer-Myn in particular are called Night Crawlers and live in the bowels of ships, cities and practically everywhere else you can think of. Adapting weapons from other civilizations the Veer-Myn can make the most of every situation, which makes them a deadly enemy to be facing.
Should be pretty fantastic to see the Veer-Myn and Corporation facing off in the tight confines of Grim Cargo.
What do you think of the Night Crawlers?
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The models look good on the white but yellow rats on a mostly yellow board sorta strains my eyes trying to find them- its really only a problem in the pictures, but its still annoying.
I like the look of the guns and the torn up hazmat suit look, but none of the models seem to be actually aiming or firing the guns, and the angles of the guns in the hands would suggest that it will be difficult to build them as such.
i like the look of of the models a lot but i dont like the yellow paint scheme and yes the guns look amazing 🙂
Those are good looking models.
like these 🙂 now mantic, release these for KoW as well and call them Veer-Myn as well 😛
Nah, they’ll be called Mouseketeers! lol
I like the over all look of the rats. Much more so than I first seen the green of them. The idea that some hazmat suit group that got some how infected is unique.
I rather prefer more dull dreary battleship grey paintjob myself for the tiles. Looking forward to the game
In the write up for Project Pandora: Grim Cargo they explain why the ship is brightly colored. If memory serves, the old ships were painted bright colors to keep the crew chipper during long space voyages. Also, much of the normal ships wires, and fuse boxes were covered to keep the happy feel of the ship (by the way, I can see this happening with all of the designers/psychologists working together). Of course, this leads to trouble as the Corporation will have a tough time finding the night crawlers who plague the ship.
Great concept, amazing sculpts. Mantic Games is improving and branching out with new ideas. Glad to see this happening!
or is it Ocean grey?
Looks like they are based on the orx maruaders, just added big claws for the limbs and a new head.
sorry you’re completely wrong. it’s a different sculpter and design team. 100% different models,imagery and concept. brilliantly executed. cant wait to see the model for the night-spawn and the second unit type released in may.
I’m giving them fuzzy mouse tails and painting them a nice soft pinkish. Like my Night Crawlers cute and deadly.
A new board game to play is always welcome however: They don’t look very rodent to me. They look more like dog monkeys faces, similar in sculpt design to the GW skaven releases around 2000ish. Was never a fan of that look. As for the board, it looks like its just butted up square sections rather than space hulk style jigsaw cut connectors. Good luck with the rooms and passageways sliding around during play. Perhaps when it’s released small design quibbles like this will be solved.
hated that look for the skaven, they all looked like hunchback dog mutants .. really a downgrade from the previous metal releases, wich still look the best imho.
Dont think these are quite as dog-like though 🙂
I have the original Dwarf Kings Hold. They don’t slide around.
They make these games as cheap as they can release them, so that the price tag can be as low as is sensible. I’ve not had any problems with their past released.
I think the board looks horrible …its just too colourful. and has too many different thees going on its like that ship is made out of scrap or had different designs for every section.
And concerning the models I know its been said a lot of times by me but I am still disappointed what mantic does. I always just simply see them copying stuff GW did and giving it another name.
Dont get me wrong the sculpts overall are good, but no matter how much I try to stop it, I cant get rid of the feeling that this is all just some weird vendetta of two former GW employees.
P.S. I am not taking GWs side here just what floats through my head when thinking about Ronnie and Allesio.
thees = themes
Right, like GW came up with anything all that unique to start off?
It took them quite a while to make much of anything with a unique style. Much of their 1980s stuff was characterful, but nothing all that unique. In fact, they were the biggest Lord of the Rings knock off artists when they began. However, over the years and with their books and various sculptors they have created a solid lore with stylish models. Mantic’s new sculptor, Remi, is amazing and his figures deserve notice: http://remytremblay.sculpture.over-blog.com/
Mantic creates models for their own game AND for others (big lean towards GW games as they are most widely played). They need to do this for cross-sales. You may pine for an army of cute Barney look dinosaurs with rabbit tails that live in snail shells, but unless done extremely well, it won’t sell.
Also, Mantic has taken risks along the way, releasing Abyssal (Chaos) Dwarfs, which are no longer an official GW army. Recently, with Warpath’s launch they’ve continued with Forge Fathers and Veer-myn. Both are a big risk as they do not tie into current lines of 40k.
To add, Mantic’s Dwarf King’s Hold and Project Pandora are innovative games and unique to Mantic.
as I said ^^ I have nothing against the sculpt itself (all sorts of respect to Remi for that ^^ ) still two former employees that ragequit GW and now happen to make a whole lot of games were EVERY SINGLE race is the same like in GWs products …come on 😛 ….
there are tons of people out there doing innovative stuff ( take privateer press, or the Infinity guys) where thought and time went into making it distinctive and new, mantic isnt simply part of that circle of people ^^
and now bring in some more negative karma folks ^^
oh btw I dont care much that its actually GWs stuff they are ripping of
if they would come up with lets say …a steampunk universe, where giant magic and steam power battlemechs and warcasters fight battles …oh sounds familiar ! …I would give the exact same speech ^^ …I dont care for GW in particular but the fact that I simply dont like to see people getting through with such behavior, like taking someones idea and having success with that.
not necessarily speaking about the fact that every single race is basically the same …no, but its also their characteristics that are the same
Orks are belligerent green Hulks that live only for war, their eldar equivalent is old and mysterious( as they said in their overview some montsh ago ), the forgefathers are technical versed and so on …
I know its very hard to come up with something really unique nowadays no question about that but at least you could try and many people did and came up with something. Or at least you could alter the existing stuff enough to make it kind of unique.
agree on the board, what came to mind when i saw it first was “disco i space!” …
Actually the board looks fine, it makes a nice change from battleship grey future you always see, and it’s different from space hulk colours, which is what I think was possibly the intention.
These modes look great actually. Bit surprised. I would have preferred a wild-card original alien, but these are pretty sweeet.
As always, it’s the rules that matter. I think we’re in safe hands though.
Kings of War and Warpath have, imo, quite poor rulesets (early days though) but Mantic are slowly building up money and a brand which will allow them, one day, to expand into brand new races etc (it would be stupid for them to do this now for the aforementioned reason). It’s tiring and just boring listening to people cry over Mantic not releasing a brand new race at this stage of their development. Let’s pretend they released a brand new race that was actually good… then what? FAILURE on a massive scale. Maybe even financial disaster. I don’t see many people seriously playing Warpath at this early stage, as the ruleset just isn’t up to scratch (yet) so why would anyone buy a Warpath army for a game almost no one plays, which isn’t a very good game either … At most people would buy the odd box or two of this “new original army” and leave it at that. No massed sales.
Mantic are doing EXACTLY what they should be doing. Slowly moving forwards. Playing the long game. The best is yet to come but they to get their feed firmly on the ground.
I doubt Mantic are making much of a profit at all – any profit is funneled back into their various projects. And Mantic sell their models for PEANUTS, yet still people complain?
But their boardgames are solid stuff. I have no doubt this boardgame will be cheeky and fun, like the ones that came before it – tactical as well and brain-stimulating. At the end of the day it’s the rules, not the models.
“And Mantic sell their models for PEANUTS, yet still people complain?”
Simply not true anymore,with their newer releases they mostly reached GW pricing level in some cases they even are worse then GW (sorry using GW again but those are best to compare with as they are mostly equal in size – when it comes to the number of models per box – and do have the same playable races)- small example
40 Goblins from GW = 41£ = 1.025£ per miniature
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod840895
+you are able to assemble them as spearmen, with hand-weapons or bows, whereas the Mantic ones are limited to spears
40 Goblins from Mantic = 59,96£ = 1.499£ per miniature
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Goblins/Product/Goblin-Spearmen-10-Figures.html
+ the Mantic Goblins are packed as 10 man units and made of metal ( without the possibility to build them differently ) that gets me to the problem that every 10 man come with a 3 man command squad so to get a working unit of goblins you would have to buy at least another 10 man to end up with 39 or you would have to put 4 command units in one unit….40 was just a random number even when you go down to 20 Goblins the problem stays the same and still it will cost you more.
And the newer armies do show that as well i.e.
Twillight Kin basic Army deal
61 miniatures for £99.99 = 1.623£ per miniature
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Twilight-Kin/Product/Twilight-Kin-Mega-Army-61-Miniatures.html
Dark Elves Army
53 miniatures for £60.00 = 1.132£ per miniature
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440047a&prodId=prod1520011
unit-boxes :
10 spearmen/corssbowmen for £17.99 = 1.799£ per miniature
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Twilight-Kin/Product/Twilight-Kin-Spearmen-Troop-10-Figures.html
16 spearmen/crossbowmen for £20.00 = 1.25£ per miniature
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440049a&prodId=prod790909
thats just their newest stuff, thats why I am referring to that . YES THEIR OLD STUFF WAS/IS CHEAP ( cant deny that by any means and actually why would I ? ^^) but I guess the Twillight Kin are the first to show where they are heading and well… inform you guys, because mindlessly repeating that Mantic is cheap will not make it true. They will definitely get pricier as well and as I showed you above by simply stating the facts ( so please I know some of you just give my minus karma for everything, but in this case it isn’t even a opinion its just pure facts ) in some cases they even are pricier then GW already ( and we all know thats not a good thing ! as GW really is fucking expensive )
Your knowledge of Mantic is quite limited and the price is still quite good compared to GW’s models.
You picked a rather silly example of Goblin Spearmen. It has been stated by Mantic’s brass (Ronnie) that the Goblins were released in metal as a special edition to get the figures out quickly. Metal is very expensive now and that lead to the high price….BUT the Goblins will be released in plastic this summer, with proper plastic sprues from the core troops, and the Spearmen in resinic.
Twilight Kin are expensive, but again, with them and Abyssal Dwarfs (and any metals) the price is going up and up. That’s why GW went to Finecast and charged more for perhaps the most abhorred material on the market and they had the nerve to charge in some cases more than the old metal price!
I will take Mantic’s resinic material to Finecast any day, and they sell a superior material for much less per figure.
Another problem with GW’s packaging is often boxes do not come with full units. The starter set for Fantasy doesn’t include enough Elves from a proper unit. You have to go and buy two often to basically get one! With Mantic’s KoW you get a full unit in every box, sometimes even a proper horde.
Also, let’s get to rule books and army rules. Mantic is free, ALL FREE. Download it all or pay 5 pounds for a proper printed version. GW’s monster rules book then a book for each army, then magic abilities cards, then new scenario books, it’s really all too much.
Put that all together and combine with improved quality of the minis you can play huge games with Mantic for easily half the price when you get down to the nuts and bolts.
i think mantic are doing well and just need to carry on how they are. at the end of the day the models look great. that is all i need. KOW is now my fantasy wargame of choice. warpath needs more work, it will get there though. the next new edition of the rules isn’t that far off now, and i look forward to seeing how it plays.
You’d think that a race in a future setting could wear better things than rags.
mutated rat with freakin lasers isnt enough future setting? 😉 maybe they are still very animal in nature and feel locked up wearing armour? 🙂